>2017 >still doesn't have a package manager built

Because it's not communism or fascism that everything must be monolithic.

>when windows doesn't have something built into it sucks
>when it does it's bloat

>>59128250
yes, and it actually does have one so the OP is full of shit, and most people hate it because it's part of the app shop and that's just ugly technology for custom computing like the desktop.

>>59128211
>remind me why do people use this shit again
Proper, industry standard software, video games & the "just works" side of it.

>>59128211
>>59128250
Ironically windows does have an install tool, and that's aside from the MSI shit. Think it used to be IExpress or something on WinXP/Vista.

>>59128274
>it actually does have one
enjoy your mobile and touch optimised apps and don't forget to add a cortana reminder to poo in the loo.

>>59128250
>a package manager is an additional feature that I don't need

>>59128250
It has faxing and telephony built in (even turned on by default). I think more people have a use for proper installation/deinstallation than for faxing/calling on a computer

>>59128363
right because nobody has ever had to install linux software that didn't have a package.

>>59128211
Windows does have this, just not for desktop apps. It's called Windows Store.

Package managers are really nice but they require a lot of user input if you don't want to be stuck with ancient versions of software (i.e. adding custom repositories all the time). Doesn't really fit with the Windows ethos.

>>59128211
>installing browser toolbars and other bloat- or malware
WINDOWS USERS BTFO

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>>59128394
>Thinks faxes arent still widely used
That always makes me chuckle at those kids

>>59128420
>Windows Store
see
>>59128363

>>59128211
Why exactly should I give a shit about a "package manager"?
I like to have more control and keep backups of my installers, so using some babby tier app store sounds stupid.

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>>59128250
>implying it doesn't come with bloat pre installed

>>59128211

https://chocolatey.org/packages/seer

 Delet this 

>>59128492
I've not had any bloat on my clean install of windows 10

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>>59128492
Sooo, being too stupid or lazy to customize their start menu is a problem with the OS?

>>59128611
since when installing bloatware became customization ?

>>59128611
As a linux user listening for years to windows users telling me that the default configuration is all that matters i feel triggered. What next you gonna tell me that no support from 3rd party software is not the OS fault?

>>59128640
Uninstalling, or just removing the icons is something that requires a hell of a lot less effort than trying to get something like linux working properly.

>>59128673
"no support from 3rd party software"? What are you even talking about?

>>59128363
I talked against it you illiterate fuck.

>>59128418
just write an ebuild

>>59128452
>Thinks you need Windows to be able to send a fax
>Thinks more people fax than install packages

>>59128782
Who said you need windows? I am just saying its retarded to say people don't use fax these days, especially secure fax, from a computer

There's no package manager built into Linux either.

>>59128856
Bad analogy. OP talked about the OS, not the kernel.

>>59128846
>than for faxing/calling on a computer
Who claimed that nobody uses fax? The claim was that MORE people use packages on computers than a fax on a computer

>>59128856
in most linux distros there is

>>59128211
The app store equivalent is the minimum number of boring, non-descript screenshots with a scant few lines of text in the description

Both only show a lack of effort in presentation

>>59128856
>package manager built into a kernel
what will they think of next

package managers are retarded though

i prefer how windows does it

>>59129141
systemd

>shilling linux for free

>>59128211
video games

>>59128211
it actually has now
in the form of the windows "store"

>>59128211
> package manager
Shit. The lack of an enforced package manager is what makes Windows great.

>>59128418
I never had to do that.
I'm on arch, so everything that isn't in the official repos is on aur

>>59128465
I know this is bait, but
> more control
What gave you the impression that you'd have more control with fucking custom made, bloated installers?
> keep backups
WTF? Manually keeping copies of your files as backup? Ever heard of git?
A package manager already does that for you, silly

>>59128494
Yeah right, as if an external program would change anything.
This is like the mac fags that think homebrew is a replacement for a real, os supported package manager. What a bunch of faggots

>>59128856
That would be horrifying!
A package manager in the kernel!!!

>>59129149
(You) are retarded though
i prefer how (((GNU/Linux))) does it

>>59128211
>what is Windows Store

>>59129590
bloatware
not meming

>>59129603
>excessive memory
nope
>excessive disk space
nope

not bloatware

>>59128211
Because package managers exist to solve a problem that only exists on desktop linux. Everyone else took the time to make sure their stuff works and their marketshare reflects it.

>>59129638
it interferes by cluttering up screen space with shit you don't need, or no one ever needed. I really don't known what I'll do when win7 finally ends in 2020. Maybe I'll finally take the plunge and go full linux. All the software I need for work I have on my work PC, not my problem it's a botnet.

>>59129728
Nobody gives a shit, kid.

>>59129776
that's why it exists now and it's why windows is gonna be marginalized within 20 years.

>>59129546

On Ganoo:

>hurr you must google the command since you need to know find out which package manager you are using, on top of knowing which program you actually want to use

then when you DO find out which application you want, you type it into your command, only to find out that it's not in the repo.

then sometimes it is in the repo, but then it's an outdated version

so then you have to install a different repo, assume there's no botnet, then you can finally install the program you want

then there's stuff like not being able to choose firewall settings, associations, file path, etc...

On many Windows installers you get these options during install.

Freetard software makes it impossible to install older version of software unlike on Windows.

>>59129495
What is your problem with Homebrew exactly, that it does not update the core OS? That's pretty much the only disadvantage I can think of, and plenty advantages over traditional Linux ones

>>59129827
>Freetard software makes it impossible to install older version of software unlike on Windows.
i agree with all the other points but that is not true

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>>59129827
why must you type like this?

>>59129827
Didn't you hear? You have to know the secret handshake to get into the cool kids club.

>>59129881
What's wrong with it? I find that it's easier to read.

>>59129827
>firewall settings
>during installation
Where did you even see this?

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>>59129804
>that's why it exists now and it's why windows is gonna be marginalized within 20 years.
Seems every time a new version comes out someone wants to think "its finnaly going to die! Long live linux!" and it never happens.

>>59128211
>centralized software repository
kek linux confirmed ultimate botnet

>>59129911
It's not going to happen anytime soon with the state desktop Linux is in currently.

>>59129911
No one ever thought that. Maybe you're right and most people won't know/care it's a bloated botnet. I mean they probably own samsung phones too so they won't abandon Windows for being a bloated advertisement for their failing tablet/phone department.

But I could see it happen. Young people nowadays are less tech illiterate, and poorer. And since most people just use it as a facebook machine anyways they wouldn't be able to even tell the difference if it looks nice enough.

>>59129842
> plenty advantages over traditional Linux ones
Kek, what would that be, cock sucking, cum lover, asshole licking mac fag?

>>59130014
Oh wow I did not consider those arguments for why the software is so dysfunctional

>>59129921
>downloading and installing binary software from random untrusted internet sources is somehow less botnet

>>59130014
>Installs to userspace
>Lets you have multiple versions of the same package installed
>Does not let you install systemd

>>59128276
Windows 10 breaks every fucking day, I wake up and have to deal with regedit -.- kill me

>>59130068
Find someone who isnt technologically retarded to fix your computer then have them lock you out of the administrate account.

>>59130068
you're right though that installing ubuntu, mint etc is easier than installing windows. Random drivers always missing or the wrong drivers installed, Fn keys not working, linux "just werks" more than windows nowadays.

>>59130105
This. How are people so fucking retarded, let alone on /g/?

>>59130055

And you can Virus scan the .exe

With freetard software, you're literally letting any neckbeard install whatever they want on your machine.

>>59130067
>Installs to userspace
I can do that too
>Lets you have multiple versions of the same package installed
Also possible here
>Does not let you install systemd
This isn't advantage

>>59128211
i´d like to remind you of the windows store and how they fucked up

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>he doesn't use Windows 10
Although you still have to use Chocolatey as your repository, you can set it up very easily.

>>59130205
There's still centennial though

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>>59128211

Why not using PowerShell, install NuGet, use "add-packageprovider" command to add repositories like Chocolatey and then use "find-package" and "install-package" commands?

This is possible in Windows 7 as well, not only in 8 and 10.

Holy shit, why so many people on /g/ ride on memes 24/7 and dont even care to check the shit they post like parrots?

Or Im just one of few people that actually cared to dig deeper and learn about it? Could I apply to work for MS now?

>>59129985

>No one ever thought that

>"YEAR OF THE LINUX" threads every year
>"muh Linux will crush dirty Windows, all glory to Stallman!" since I can remember

>No one

Its kinda cute, in its own way.

>>59130324
>why so many people on /g/ ride on memes 24/7 and dont even care to check the shit they post like parrots?

low IQ

>>59130355

This contrast with this whole "we are using Linux because we are smarter" talk I see so often.

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>>59128492
>not using Embedded edition

del this;

>>59130157
but anon only ethical people use linux, there are no viruses don't you know it?

>>59128494
>>59130233
>Chocolatey
I use it on windows and when is a huge step in the correct direction is slow as molasses. It's not a proper package manager, it's just a repository. Chocolatey just uses the same .msi and .exe and the maintainers of chocolatey provides scripts to run the installers silently (most of the time). They don't package anything and it barely takes care of dependencies, you still end with a lot of duplicated files and libraries.

Also there's nothing that barely can compete with synaptic. There's a program called chocolatey-gui but it barely gives you any feedback when installing or updating programs so you can start a full update (that doesn't even updates the system itself) without any indicator of when it'll end. Also updates often fails with no feedback on why it failed, it just ends as if the update was sucessful. On top of that some applications provides the latest versions and some provides outdated versions, wasn't the advantage of self contained packages the fact that you can always have the latest version?

On linux you have both options: a proper package manager and self contained (sandboxed if you use snaps or flatpak) packages. On windows you only have the second option with no sandbox.