>Be AMD >Release badass new processor >Compare it to

>Be Intel
>Release a chip with no IPC improvements
>Price it at $500
>Only include 16 pcie lanes
>Justify it by saying "It's all you need for gayming goy"

>>59062819
delete this right fucking now

>>59062770
Ryzen is not enthusiast, its just a really badass mainstream CPU. If you think 8-cores don't belong in the mainstream your the problem.

>>59062819
Fpbp
>Intel cuck on suicide watch

>>59062770
this damage control holy shit

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>>59062819
fpbp


Only way that could be topped is with trips

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>>59062819
DELET

>>59062834
ilold

>>59063008
intel is doing so much damage control it's not even funny

>>59063008
Intel has already started paying sites huh, just like in good ol days.

>>59063008
What shill site is this?

>>59063158
>>59063180
That's not a bribed site, it's a training sheet for literal Intel shills.

Intel gives you 40 PCIe lanes

Rypoo garbage means you can only use 1 GPU and 1 SSD

>>59063387
>Rypoo garbage means you can only use 1 GPU and 1 SSD
>source: my ass

>>59063180
Intel Retail Edge. Training literal shills to promote Intel products at Walmart.

>>59063008
>This wll be the first time AMD has created a 14nm product
Are they actually allowed to straight up lie like that? AMD and GloFo cut their 14nm teeth on the 480.

I guess old "fines are just bribes on the record" Intel is back

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>>59063008
OC

>>59062819
LMAO HOLY FUCK INTELFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>59063495
Thank goodness I saw this post. I was lost on what to do, I have been a loyal Intel customer for ages, but I don't see why I should go with one or the other. This post made it very clear which way I should lean.

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>>59063008
Hahahaha holy shit this is glorious, they're not even trying to hide it

>>59062770
Don't worry goy, Intel is better. Just remember the clock speeds. 4.0 is NOT 4.5. Why does this matter? Simple, the 7700k can overclock to 5 GHZ. With a further distance to go, I doubt AMD can clock that much.

My main system uses unraid and passes GPU's through VMs for gamez and actual computing. I saturate 38 lanes. I'll build a ryzen system for gaming but REEEEEE I wanted to replace my main system

>>59062899
I don't know if you're retarded of if it's the latest meme but stop mixing up your and you're.
Captcha: venerable hen

>>59064538
>latest
found the newfag

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>>59063387
Yes, on their 1000$+ 6900k and 6950X.

>>59063436
More like two GPUs (in SLI) and one M.2 (full spec)
Meanwhile, my E5-2687W has 40 lanes connecting a dual-port 10Gbit fiber NIC, a Nvidia Quadro card, an HBA card, two PCIe SSDs, and a quad-port Gigabit NIC.

>>59063606
amd has had 5ghz 8cores since 2013...

>>59065509
So you're saying all that uses 40GB/s of bandwidth?

k

>>59065509
>my enterprise CPU

Stopped reading there. Ryzen is a consumer product. There's gonna be Naples for Xeons.

>>59065561
>dual-port NICs uses about 6GB/s bandwidth due to overhead and TCP offloading
>Quadro uses something like 16-24GB/s
>HBA card uses about 2GB/s if all SAS drives are being accessed
>PCIe SSDs use about 1.5GB/s each
>Quad-port NIC uses maybe 400MB/s when fully saturated
Close enough to that 40GB/s limit
>>59065611
It's an eight-core Sandy Bridge-E that you can buy for $300.

>>59065645
Wow I would l love to see the sources on those claims anon-kun.

>>59065544
IPC wasn't as good in 2013. Now that it caught up, it is horrible.

>>59062992
this just gave me more keks than every ylyl thread ever

>>59065645
>It's an eight-core Sandy Bridge-E that you can buy for $300.

And what goes against AMD offering a competitive enterprise product at similar price points once Naples is out?

Your average end-user doesn't need 40 Lanes. Many don't even need 24.

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>>59065695
>Now that it caught up, it is horrible.
What did you mean by this?

>>59065759
Yawn. Compare it to the 7700k.

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>>59062819
YAMERO, GOY! YAMEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

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>>59065544

>>59062770
Intel's enthusiast lineup was forked from their server lineup, where 40 lanes actually have purpose because of the crap-ton of connectivity you need.
I mean, what do you really need more for? 2x8 is all that's needed for SLI/CF (more than two cards is a meme), and then you still have 8 lanes for m.2 and such. Most X99 owners go for the 28-lane chip anyway.

>>59065830
>has 8 cores
>isn't an 8 core processor
How dumb are you?

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>>59065799
if you say so...

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>>59065799
6900k eats 7700k alive in terms of raw compute power you dumb shitstain. What would be the point in comparing even slower CPU?

>>59065908
Show me single thread 7700k.

>>59065860
yes the 9590 (aka oc 8350) it has 8 physical cores
it just cant fully utilize more than 4 at the same time because of the shared L2 and fpu which makes it perform more like a 4c/8t

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>>59065966

>>59066062
Intel wins! AMD BTFO! This chart proves it!

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OP sounds like an intel shill

Fucking nobody uses more than 16 pcie lanes.
Anyone who says they do is lying

>>59065799
>c-compare it to something else y-yawn

>>59065966
>n-now compare it differently maybe it will fit my narrative

Fucking kekd

>>59062770
What can be done about a product that doesn't fit your needs?

>protip: you don't have to fucking buy it you cocksniffing troglodyte

>>59066169
I use exactly 24 so it works for me

>>59066169
Please explain to me how am I supposed to use a streaming card, a network card, 2 GPUs in SLI, 2 M.2 devices, and a sound card. Or is that not consumer enough for you?

>>59066169
My GPU alone uses 16 PCIe lanes, what about the rest of my PCIe cards?

>>59066231
Sounds like you need a 2P motherboard.

>>59066231
>2 GPUs in SLI
what is the difference between x8 sli and x16? how does the performance change?

>>59063008
>Intel never discriminates. it provides a processor to fit any need
only if that need happens to be more than 4 cores, you need to shell out 1000 bucks

>>59062770
>b-but... muh PCI-E lanes!!1

is this the strongest argument Intel shills can come up with?
Like, shit goy, I'd understand if Ryzen had only 16 lanes, but 24 is enough for a single 16x or dual 8x for GPU and 8x for storage, which is plenty.

>inb4 using 8x for GPU
it makes literally no difference, especially with PCI-E 3.0.

>>59066118
>4.2GHz vs 3.5GHz

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>>59066062
>i7-7700K turbo: 4.5GHz
>R7 1800X turbo: 4.0GHz

>>59066062
AMD BTFO AS ALWAYS

>>59066445
dude, I'm on the same page with you. this single core shit is irrelevant with overclock.

>>59066445
Price

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>>59066437
So? EVERY i7 7700k can oc to 4.8ghz what shitty r7 1800x ryzen can? oc to 5.0ghz but with Liquid fucking nitrogen, you would be lucky if you could oc more than 4.4ghz. What a pathetic trash from amd once again.

Also

>$500 amd cpu can't even beat $339 intel cpu

>>59066231
>m2
That's x4

>2 gpu
More than fine with 2* x8

Neither streaming/network needs more than x1

>>59066272
You just don't need to care at all if you have 3.0 (neither if 2.0) - Look up for any PCI (x4, x8, x16) GPU benchmark. Virtually no difference.

>>59066531
>>$500 amd cpu can't even beat $339 intel cpu
what? it wipes the floor with it.

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>>59066521
>i7 7700k = $339
>amd r7 1800x = $500


Amd goes into fucking dumpster as always. It's so pathetic holy shit i hope amd will go bankrupt after inevitable failure of vega.

>>59066231
well a sound card is pretty useless, you can output S/PDIF on pretty much any consumer board nowadays

>>59066445
All overclock records are set with the lowest cores possible.
If you disable 4 cores and sell it as 4c/8t, it will easily surpass a consumer i7 in performance.

>>59066555
>in synthetic "cherry picked" benchmarks

aka fuck off, non-oced and especially oced i7 7700k literally rapes any amd cpus in GAMES which matters for 90% of people buying cpus

>>59066550
>Virtually no difference
thanks for confirmation. 24 lanes is more than enough then.

>>59066531
Remember people, 7700k could OC past 7.0 GHZ on liquid nitrogen. What does that tell you about AMD?

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>>59066521
>>59066531
>>59066564
>>59066591
0/10 very low effort bait

>>59066591
>aka fuck off, non-oced and especially oced i7 7700k literally rapes any amd cpus in GAMES which matters for 90% of people buying cpus
source to back your claim?

>>59066249
Do you even know what 16x/8x mean?
You spastic fat neet mongoloid.

>>59066577
>why use a sound card that takes up no additional space when you can buy some external hardware to accomplish the same thing?

>>59066612
Of course I do, you fucking twat.

>>59066651
He was pointing out Intel's training page for literal Intel shills, you're probably one of them.

>>59062770
For 1000 bones you'll probably be able to get a really good operton with even more pcie lanes

Let's just hope they're not locked

>>59066619
Because PCI sound cards are retarded. you're gonna need an external unit (Amp/DAC) anyways if you aren't using cheapo pc speakers.

Even if you are using cheapo pc speakers you can just connect to the integrated sound card and notice no difference.

Why do you need a PCI sound card? If you care about sound quality, you're gonna get a DAC and Amp and use a digital output co connect to them.

>>59066531
Moarz coarz makes overclocking moar difficult fgt....

>>59066697
Surround sound. Not all motherboards have it.

>>59066682
you confused the posters. I was the one asking for source that 7700k destroying ryzen in every game.

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>>59066249
You are an idiot and intel banks on your ignorance you fucking fat neet piece of shit.
>https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Impact-of-PCI-E-Speed-on-Gaming-Performance-518/

>>59066743
>implying Intel's ever gotten my money
Nice projections, by the way. I'm an underweight individual with a job who is anything but a piece of shit.

>>59066718
If your computer has a S/PDIF out, it can do surround sound with an amplifier. What mobo nowadays doesn't have a digital sound out? Sub $100 boards? If it really is that, okay a card with a digital out makes sense. But if you're running SLI, a streaming card, a network card, and 2 M.2 devices, along with a mobo compatible with the 40 lane CPUs, I'm gonna go ahead and guess your mobo has S/PDIF out along with plenty of features.

>>59066787
>If your computer has a S/PDIF out, it can do surround sound with an amplifier
Which brings us back to >>59066619

>>59066531
5? you really suck at maths.. the stated a cinebench score(assuming we saw the same video that its now deleted ) of 2449 on 5.1ghz..

now assuming that amd is part of a scifi program that will leave us with a core eff of 163% which is impossible with our current technology to even go up to 101%....

what we saw is the stock score of the 1700x which was 1537..

we also know that cinebench scales linear with a mumbo jumbo math you end up 5.5xx something

2449/1537*3.4=5.4 5.5 on all cores..now compare this with the 5.2 6900k record on all cores and you will get a nice suprise..

also compare this with the 6900k and the rest of the big intel chips and you will see that the intel cores are seriously underperfoming

>>59066697
Please spoonfeed me on how to use a DAC/AMP. I seriously have no idea what I am supposed to do with them.

>>59066804
YOU NEED AN AMPLIFIER TO RUN A SURROUND SOUND SYSTEM. A SOUND CARD IS NOT AN AMPLIFIER. A SOUND CARD WILL NOT POWER 5 SPEAKERS AND A SUBWOOFER. THE EXTERNAL UNIT IS NOT OPTIONAL IN ANY SETUP.

>>59066820
connect DAC to PC via USB
connect amp to DAC via cinch or whatever
connect your speakers/headphones to amp

>>59066842
THEN WHY ARE THERE SOUND CARDS WITH OUTPUTS FOR 5.1 SURROUND SOUND? I HIGHLY DOUBT YOU NEED TO PURCHASE AN AMPLIFIER FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL SPEAKER

>>59066845
What if you are using wireless headphones?

>>59066764
The point stands still you frail tiny wage cuck fagot.

You dont even need 16x for a gpu.

>>59066875
then you have a DAC and an amp already built in your headphones

Intel gives you 16 PCIe lanes on LGA 15xx CPU and 24 lanes on Z270 chipset

Still more than AYYMD HOUSEFIRES Rypoo

>>59066883
>uses not having a job as an insult
>makes fun of me for having a job
Jesus Christ anon, seek help

>>59066899
Aren't there wireless headphones, not headsets, where it uses your sound card instead of the internal sound card? Or have I been misinformed? If so, is the DAC/amp already built in?

>>59066954
If they're wireless they have a DAC and amp. Period.

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>>59065799
>compare it with this model, it has higher numbers in its name!!
>it can't lose but if it does get close to losing, then let's compare it in another way which makes it seem better

>>59066954
kindly fuck off this thread and do some reading on basic stuff. or maybe post here >>59065091

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>>59066871
Do you mean these? These outputs cannot run a speaker. If you connect these to an amplifier, and then connect the amp to the speakers now you can do something. Most amplifiers don't use these 3.5mm inputs for surround sound because they're analog and analog is affected by electromagnetic forces. Digital signals are not.

Oh and another fyi, you technically do need 1 amplifier per speaker. When you buy a receiver to connect to your surround system, this has multiple amplifiers in it, 1 for every speaker. Most people call receivers amplifiers interchangeably, but they're not the same thing.

>>59066986
Was it that hard to explain it civilly and without pretending your caps lock is broken?

>>59066913
Hate to be "that" guy but...
You still havent adressed the fact that, no your gpu "alone" uses "16 pcie lanes"
>>59066249
>>59066764
>>59066883

>>59066231
most graphics cards dont really respond well to extra PCI-E lanes beyond 8, hence why they can perform well in SLI/crossfire on boards that dont have enough lanes for both cards to operate at full bandwidth. hell, if i recall correctly, they perform pretty well on 4 lanes total.

>>59067012
I have trouble with stupid people, and back in my retail job I couldn't shit on them. So I try to do it whenever I can now

>>59067020
I was clearly proven wrong, what's there to address? Eat a dick.

>>59062770
>tries to bash amd
>doesnt know how to read
>which is understandable since he got intel
>doesnt realise that ryzen has 32 gen.3 lines in total

>>59066531
remember when AMD said they had the fastest clocked CPU on the market? remember how that turned out?

>>59067020
I was wrong but he was being a wise-ass.

>>59067032
I'm not stupid, you fucking cocksucker. I'm just not as well versed in audio as you are. Please do take it out on customers, if you were a worthwhile employee you could get away with it. If not, good riddance.

>>59066976
Well, it is better. Single-thread performance is what I care about.

>>59065799
>Compare it to the CPU that is actually a performance decrease
You sure you really want that? Did you even read your intel training pamphlet before posting Pajeet?

>>59066965
Thanks /g/. Been going crazy with those DAC/amp recommendations and how on earth I was to connect it up to whatever wireless headphones I got. Glad to know it doesn't matter.

>>59067020
I was trying to shill for my favorite jew grabin money company (intel™) and got told so hard i had to bring whatever other subject could help me to get out.

>>59066231
>and a sound card
laughingwhores.tiff

>>59067098
see
>>59066062

Intel is better. Just look at the chart.

>>59067126
I'm the guy you're pretending to be, Intel is a piece of shit company and I will never shill for such a disgrace.

>>59066871
>AN AMPLIFIER FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL SPEAKER
every speaker needs an amplifier, of course.
>protip: if your speaker has a power cable, then theres an amp inside.

>>59067133
Sound cards are very important if you are an audiophile. Sorry you are not one.

as an impartial observer i would just like to ask one question

why do you people support these multi-billion dollar megacorps as if they're football teams?

>>59067147
>6950x has 10% better performance
>Costs more than twice as much as the 1800x
10/10

>>59067191
You don't, /g/ is just full of retards.

>>59067159
>Using the word "audiophile"
>shitposting this hard on this quality thread
>thinks of himself as a person who defies the laws of nature and has audio capabilities of dogs and cats
>likes to get cucked once in a while

It totally figures.

>>59067147
I posted the chart. and no intel is not better.

>>59067191
Because it's interesting watching tech advance and get cheaper at the same time.

I can still remember when my parents forked over a fucking grand for a 3GHz pentium 4 desktop with 512MB of RAM and a 160GB HDD a decade ago thinking it was the shit.

>>59067260
well it was the shit a really expensive bbq shit

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>>59067288

>>59067252
Intel is. Look at the single thread performance. Say we have Alpha Minecraft, when it was good. Say we create thousands of TNT. Won't work well in a weak CPU.

>>59067324
see>>59066445

>>59067324
and how many games are actually hammering the first thread nowdays? only one ARMA 3 single core perf is dying no matter what you think

>>59067373
Nowadays, But what about Age of Empires? If I have a massive army, my CPU will tank. That clock speed matters then.

>>59065860
I love my base fx8350 and I've stuck with it because I never needed so much more power that it would justify moving to intel, but now ryzen is here so here we go

>>59067288
>>59067310
I did notice it got a little warmer during the winter times when we used it lmao. Best part was the delta fans that sounded like a jet aircraft taking off.

>>59067483
don't remind me god dammit. I was using a duron 950 mhz before that and loved that cpu, couldn't buy an athlon 64 due to shit retailers. I still regret that buy.

>>59067412
your problem isnt the cpu but that it is a 32bit program...

i have the same shit going for RA2 once i have more than 10 nukes flying from the glorious red army the game crashes

>>59067558
Wait, then why does everyone say single thread is better again? I am so confused :\

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>>59063008

>>59067577
Because game devs are lazy pieces of shit who should be whipped in public naked. They would make games run on just a single cpu thread if they could get away with it.

>>59067603
But if a multi cpu core doesn't hurt game performance, why do people say it does and to get an i7 over a Xeon?

>>59067640
No I was agreeing that single thread performance matters. Most devs can't be arsed to optimized their games to use more than 2 CPU threads efficiently.

Thus why 2-core i3s have been beating 8-core FX-83XX processors since forever in most games.

>>59067669
and thanks to amd's push, dx 12 and vulkan is changing that.

>>59062770
32.

24 is just on budget chipsets.

7800K/7900K when?

Surely AMD would get BTFO by that? I'm excited for Ryzen and will probably be buying a 1200X or 1400X anyway, but I still can't imagine the 6-10 core 7KK chips not doing some damage..

..and 8KK is a SYSmark iGPU meme and probably not even relevant until Q4 17/Q1 18

>>59067847
you mean 7740K and 7640K? they are a joke.

>>59067897

I hadn't even heard of the 7740K or 7640K. I just presumed that they would go up rather than sideways.. What's the difference? Thermal paste on the die rather than semen?

>>59067987
7740K clocked a little higher
7640K hype- wait for it- threading.

[spoiler]>>59067577
oh dont even get me started on this...

just imagine what is going on now..

you have windows 7 users that refuses to change to w10 because "its butter" "muh privacy" and other shit like that..

then you have nvidia with their physx shit that still hammers the first thread of the cpu since if it detects an amd card it doesnt let the card to process the AE

then you have the console devs that have no choice than to create a highly multithreaded game to get the most out of the games
AND then they have to "optimise" it to be playable on both w10(which is highly multithreaded) and w7 which is partially multithreaded
then you have vulkan that tries to bring a low level api into w7 and it has failed so hard that its not even laughable since w7 needs substantial changes to get the most out of it..

once the support is dropped on w7 and the devs will have no reason to support it anymore then we will see trully optimised games

>>59067987
Intel line up as you know is done. They are bringing both Skylake-X (6+ cores) and Kaby Lake-X (4 cores) at the same time. 7740K and 7640K are 4 core KL-X chips. 7800k, 7900k are presumably Skylake-X chips

>>59068034
>w10(which is highly multithreaded) and w7 which is partially multithreaded
what the fuck are you talking about?

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>Intel fags got btfo'd so hard that they start using pcie lanes as an argument
Today was a good day

>>59062819
>>Justify it by saying "It's all you need for gayming goy"

but isn't that true?
do you run pci-e ssd's on your gaymen rig?

>inb4 retarded dual card autism.

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>>59063008
sweet mother of damage control, batman.

I've always preferred intel, but it's nice to see them worried about competition for once.

Should I pre-order the 1700 or the 1700X? Main uses will be shitposting, gaming, video encoding. Probably in an itx case so the 65W TPD of the 1700 looks tempting.

Also, should I order a new GPU, or wait for Vega? On an old 750TI at present.

>>59068287
You should buy a 6950x unless your poor

>>59068335
No. I am not poor, but neither am I in the habit of throwing money away for limited to no benefit.

>>59068349
So just plain poor making up excuses

>>59068361
Rich people who waste their money don't stay rich for long.

>>59068287
get the 1700x and cool it with intel's tears
>>59068335
>>59068361

>>59062770
> 24 pcie lanes
Do you really need more? 2x16 for miltiGPU + chipset should feature x4 = two lines for SSD, two lines for the rest of I/O.

>>59068389
Unlike AMDpoors Intel fans cry tears of gold since they're not poor

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>>59062770

>>59066564
>AdoredTV subscribed
APEX KEK

>>59066531
>implying the average gaymur user overclocks

>>59065509
>MY SERVER CPU HAS SERVER FEATURES, LMAO AMD BTFO XDDDDD

Is anyone on /g/ actually an Intel fanboy (lol) or are we all just playing both sides for the memes and devil's advocate?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00N516PX2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_JsERybXM4G069

Is this they new Ryzen everyone is so hyped about?

I don't see what's the big deal.

>>59068605
>1500 Watts
Talk about a house fire.

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>>59062819

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzq3wI1sH1I

>>59062819
DELETE THIIS POOSTT1!1!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y3Y4i-ORx8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhFkWl5u6_k

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>>59062819

So XFR is only 0.1GHz..?

>>59069005
It's suppose to depend on ur cooling

>>59066564
>Asian women CEOs means terrible drivers
Uninstallsides.bmp

>>59069021

Well according to the coverage that I've seen, regardless of cooling the upper limit of XFR is just +100MHz :\. Maybe that's configurable, but who knows. Seems like more of an extended boost than an auto-overclocking feature.

>>59062992
DEJAVU I'VE JUST BEEN IN THIS PLACE BEFORE

Where to pre-order in the UK :(? In my hands when

>>59065108
>found the newfag
newfag spotted

>>59069118
Any relevant electronics store.
March 2

>>59067797

Wait.... AMD still is using Northbridge PCIe controllers?

Is this true?

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/news/amd-ryzen-available-for-pre-order-now-184.html

>>59062992
EUROBEAT INTENSIFIES

>>59069177
>>59067797
http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-1700x-official-launch/
24x PCI-E 3
8x PCI-E 2

>>59069177
PCIe has been on die for years

>>59066550
>Neither streaming/network needs more than x1
Bullshit
My BlackMagic Ultra 4K capture card needs at least 4 lanes, my X550-T2 uses 8 lanes, and my i340-T4 uses four lanes.

>>59068554
Dumb poonigger
The E5-2687W is the fully "unlocked" Sandy Bridge-E, so it's just the Core i7-3960X with all eight cores on its die activated.

>>59069279
>enterprise tier hardware
fuck off fag, buy a rack mounted server and cum on it.

>>59069285
>2017
>still has PCIe Gen2.0
tippity toppity kek

>>59066591
> buyer's remorse general

I like them for bringing 8c/16t to the masses. Also, no retarded bullshit cuts like with lower end Intel chips.

>>59069402
I already own two, a wallmount and one on wheels
What's your fucking point?
It's a Xeon E5 on a X79 motherboard because fuck paying more for a Core i7 when the eight-core version costs 2/3s as much on ebay.

>>59068222
A GPU is fine with 8 lanes

>>59069403
>Implying any card needs more than 2.0

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>>59069488
>PCI Express 3.0 upgrades the encoding scheme to 128b/130b from the previous 8b/10b encoding, reducing the bandwidth overhead from 20% of PCI Express 2.0 to approximately 1.54% (= 2/130)
I know of two video capture cards that will NOT work on PCIe2.0 slots because of this

>>59066609
Intel on suicide watch lmaoooo

>>59069601
>video capture cards
No need to upgrade then since I don't need video capture hardware. No GPU in the world needs more than 2.0.

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All I see is a bunch of AMD fanboys trying to justify this failure of a chip. 24 lanes in 2017 is inexcusable. Now that everyone wants to be the next sodapoppin PCIE lanes for capture cards and high speed SSDs are increasing. And AMD has the fucking balls to compare their chip to intel's enthusiast offerings and then when it falls short in any area they go "muh gaming CPU goiym not meant for enthusiasts even though we compare it to enthusiasts chips for marketing now give me all your shekels"

Fuck both you AMD and Intel shills PPC is where it's at faggots

>>59069601
How is that even possible? Raw 10-bit 1080p60fps video is 237MB/s.


1X pci-express 2.0 is 1GB/s

>>59069690
Mah nigga

>>59069690

>"All I see"
>"24 lanes"

You didn't actually read the thread then, did you. Were you talking about what you see in your broken Intel fanboy mind? :^)

>>59069758
because the retards at BlackMagic want to force their cards into a very specific Intel-branded platform.

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>>59069599

Add one of these and you're set senpai

>>59069599
>buying AMD GPU before Vega release and benchmarks are out

>>59069599
Get a PSU that isn't going to kill all of that.

>>59062819
Rekt !

>>59069840

I considered this. I've always bought "quality" PSUs and was fully subscribed to the unknown brand power supplies meme, but I have decided to give 2017 a chance. When I think about it, I've seen more quality brand PSUs die and kill motherboards than cheap ones (spent several years doing computer repairs/builds as a young teen). Surely a decade later the cheap shit has only improved? The components in known brand PSUs can often be utter trash anyway.

We shall see. I have enough good power supplies lying around to test how it affects overclocking mileage/stability.

>>59070071
The one time I cheaped out on a PSU it died a month and a half after I built the computer

>>59069599
>480
Get a 1070 Mohamed

>>59069840
>>59070071

From ChugNorris @ OCUK

"And for the record guys, if we didn't have faith in Kolink we wouldn't sell the brand. They have the lowest return rates of ANY brand we sell. ANY BRAND. We sell a lot, with overwhelmingly positive feedback. They do the job required of them for a price that few can match. I wouldn't use them personally but I can afford to buy a PSU by a premium manufacturer, not everyone can, or they need something to do the job without any fuss on a budget. If I needed something that's competitively priced for an older build though I wouldn't hesitate in using a Kolink PSU.

There is a market for this level of PSU and I believe Kolink are at the top of the pile compared to the vast amounts of crap that is available elsewhere. Plus, who else from these cheap brands has a 1200W Platinum unit on the market that has reviewed very well? There will be more in 2017 too."

They mentioned elsewhere that review samples will be going out soon, too.

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>>59070160

No David

>>59069839
Vega is months away m8y, 4 gig 480's can be had for 170 quid, your not going to beat that vlue anytime soon

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I'm one click away /g/uys. Should I do it?

>>59071354

Double check the small print. I've noticed a couple of vendors shipping the 1700X and 1800X without coolers, and only the Wraith Spire with the 1700.

>>59071432
Thanks, and good catch. Surprising that they're not including a stock cooler on the 1700x and 1800x.

>>59067159
>Sorry you're not one
I'm not.

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>>59071354
Fuck it, clicked! Can't wait until March! Going to be a massive upgrade from my current Athlon X4 740 and GeForce 750 TI.

>>59068034
>implying Windows will even be used to play games in the future.

>>59071921

Wise decision, my friend. We will forgive your choice of discreet graphics.

>>59072019
I was tempted to wait for Vega, but that would mean a few more months with the 750TI and I wanted more performance than the RX480 for potential VR down the road. Can always sell the 1070 if Vega hype proves true.

>>59062770
What is 24 pcie lanes? I just want to get the best bang for my buck? So go with AMD? Everyone seems to be talking about it.

>>59071921
>he doesn't know Polaris coming in Q2

Enjoy your botnet shekel experience

>>59063008
no fucking way

>>59072497
It's from Intel's Retail Edge program.

>>59062819
DE

LETE

>>59072281

It basically means that you have 23.64GB/s of PCIe 3.0 bandwidth. A single 8x lane can fully utilise a GTX1080 with no problem, for example.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1080_PCI_Express_Scaling/24.html

>>59066591
Maybe you ask r5 1400x 4c/8t when it get released, 4.8ghz vs 4.8ghz and see how it goes

>>59072281
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSSHuMHbCWo

>>59072654

The 7700K can't actually handle game streaming, which every pleb and their dog is trying to do at the moment. Many can't even consider it because of this among other similar scenarios. They certainly won't want to buy a new $300 motherboard just for the privilege of using their upcoming overpriced "enthusiast" 6-10core CPUs on yet another fucking DOA socket/chipset.

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>>59066986
>Most amplifiers don't use these 3.5mm inputs for surround sound because they're analog

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>>59065463
>>59062819

You get 16 pcie lanes on the CPU and 24 on the Chipset. That's 40 pcie lanes for a i7 7700k with z270 board.

As far as I can tell, AMD offer 24 pcie lanes on the chipset and I can't find any indication of how many pcie lanes ryzen offers directly on the cpu.

tldr learn how a fucking computer works.

>>59072770
>not having the i7-7700K as the gaming rig and an i7-6700K with a capture card for streaming
What are you guys, poorfags?

>>59072830
>24 on the Chipset
That's 24* on the Chipset

* - lanes will be allocated to SATA, USB, NIC, and other chips at the manufacturer's discretion

>>59072861
yes. Does it work differently for AMD or are you being a pedant?

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>>59072830

WEW LAD. Do you plug your graphics card into your CPU? LMAO

The CPU sets the max and the motherboard determines how they're used. You don't add them together lol

>>59062770
The real question is, when does Ryzen actually drop? I'm tired of speculation of the product, I've been convinced to buy it.

>>59072886
are you actually fucking stupid?

>>59072830
you dont add them together you dumb intel poo shill

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>>59063008

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>>59062819
OH YOU DONE IT NOW

>>59072871
Kind of, but I'm still pissed that there just isn't enough PCIe lanes to justify me buying one right now.
SATA and USB have their own distinct pathway directly from the CPU itself, since Ryzen is more like an SoC than ever before. Anything on the SB is connected with eight lanes of PCIe 3.0 from the CPU specifically for that purpose. There is less lanes to go around, but at least some of those ports are native to the CPU and does not need to share lanes.

>>59066986
I use what this >>59072779 and run two speakers.

>>59072983
What could you possibly be doing with all those pcie lanes where you can't justify getting a high end chip with all the lanes you want?

>>59072449
Would you want to spend any more time with a 750 TI than you absolutely had to?

>>59072886
This is false

>>59073048
People tend to rationalize when they bought an inferior product for twice the money.

>>59073048
I have a high-end CPU, a Xeon E5-2687W that I picked up for $300 last year.
I have a dual-port 10Gbit SFP+ NIC, a quad-port i340-T4 NIC, a Quadro card, an LSI HBA, and two PCIe SSDs. I'd need two Ryzens to even match the number of PCIe lanes I use.

>>59072983

The baseline 32 lanes for X370 is just that - a baseline. More lanes can be added via PLX chips. Sooner or later boards with more lanes will show up.

>>59073150
Your use case is rare as fuck. Ryzen is targeted at PC gamers and overclocking enthusiasts, the vast majority of which will be running 1 GPU at x16 or 2 at x8/x8 on rare occasions with room to spare for the odd PCI-E peripheral here or there.

You just sound like you're looking for something to complain about. What do you even need a new CPU for if your 32nm housefire Sandy Bridge EP is so high end?

>>59072779
Well you can if you're a pleb, but you're not getting 5.1 or 7.1 through that on any receiver released in the last 10 years.

>>59073207
>What do you even need a new CPU for if your 32nm housefire Sandy Bridge EP is so high end?
I've got $5K burdening my pockets.

>>59073343
Just save it for a nice 4K HDR monitor. They should be coming out this year at some point and they're going to be awesome.

>>59073357
I don't need an HDR monitor as I already have a 10-bit 4K monitor. That's why I have a Quadro card.

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>>59063008
>the nomber of cores isnt important
>then proceeds to advertise 10c/20t cpu

>>59073385
Then invest the 5K and try to forget about needing to buy something, you already have a dank setup.

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>>59062770
>Be Intel shill
>Damage control
>Damage control
>Damage control
>Cry in corner

MFW

>>59073204
>>59072983

24 PCIe Gen 3 lanes (from the CPU);
16 PCIe Gen 3 lanes dedicated for graphics with support for up to 3-way CrossFireX & 2-way SLI.
4 PCIe Gen 3 lanes dedicated for storage (NVMe, SATA & PCIe storage)
4 PCIe Gen 3 dedicated for LAN & USB3.1 Gen 2 ports.

+

X370: 8 PCIe Gen 2 lanes (from the chipset)
B350: 6 PCIe Gen 2 lanes (from the chipset)
A320: 4 PCIe Gen 2 lanes (from the chipset)

So basically the CPU has enough for any typical user, and the chipset can handle any extra requirements. PLX chips can increase the available lanes, but don't actually increase bandwidth. So by the looks of things you are limited to 24GB/s by the CPU + 4GBs on the chipset.

So if you calculate your peripherals and components at over 28GB/s total, you will start getting a performance hit with Zen in its current state, unless I'm missing something. You won't get close to that, even with:

> dual-port 10Gbit SFP+ NIC, a quad-port i340-T4 NIC, a Quadro card, an LSI HBA, and two PCIe SSDs

>>59072944
16 threads actually

>>59062819
P-p-please sir. Please. I can't take it. Just... please delete this post.

>>59062770
>Be Intel
>Hire an army of shills to overrun an innocent indonesian yarn-pulling forum for a few shekels.

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>>59062819

>>59073056
As soon as it releases you're going to regret it.

>>59073150

>dual-port 10Gbit SFP+ NIC
less than 2.5GB/s fully saturated

>quad-port i340-T4 NIC
less than 0.5GB/s fully saturated

>Quadro card
model??? but less than 8GB/s

>LSI HBA
model???? but less than 8GB/s, since all the latest cards that I know of only use Gen3 8x or below

>two PCIe SSDs
~6GB/s peak?

So 25GB/s max theoretical in a fully autistic scenario. Doable on the A320 chipset..

>>59062770
>>Only include 24 pcie lanes
>>Justify it by saying "It's not an enthusiast chip bruh"
One GPU uses 16 pci lanes. Intel doesn't even include enough lanes on their lowest end 6 core and none of their 4 cores

>>59068605
>60 dollars
It's over Intel is finished

>>59073797

I count 29 lanes if he set his Quadro to 8x, so he'd need a B350 board :p

>>59073843
Show me a B350 board with more than three 16x slots and I'll show you a smart Trump supporter.

>>59073867

They haven't even been released yet, so nice strawman. Also, why would they all need to be 16x? Most of your cards are 4x or below

>>59073867
>3 x16 slots
They just explained to you why you don't need that.

>>59073954
>>59073988
>three 16x SLOTS
PHYSICAL SLOTS
You're both fucking retarded, but then what did I expect from white guys.

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>>59062770

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>>59073867

Please explain to us why you need a 16x slot for each of your 1x PCIe SSDs?

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>>59066564

Updated edition here

>>59074021
>HURR DURR I CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 16X SLOT AND A PCI SLOT
Maybe because the cards have larger than x1 connectors?

>>59074021

I think that he'd need 6 pci slots of 1x-16x, but yeah asking for more than 3 16x slots for his needs is going full retard

>>59074085
What's the difference between a 16x slot and 16x lanes? Do you know?

>>59074069

Please show us your 16x SSDs oh lord

>>59074085

pcie slot*

How the fu k wpuld AMD catch up like this???? This doesn't make sense.

>>59074098

You still aren't explaining why you need a 16x slot for each of your 1 lane, 1x cards.

>>59073997
>anti-Trump
>can't even figure out basic PCI-E needs
It's beginning to add up.

>PHYSICAL SLOTS
Why would they need this? Nobody is running 3 or 4-way SLI setups and if you were you'd probably be retarded enough to shell out for the 6950x because you wanted muh lanes.

You've already been shown that for your particular setup you don't need anywhere close to this many PCI-E lanes anyway. Basic bitch AM4 motherboards will have plenty of PCI-E connectivity for you.

>>59074104
They're 4x, you idiot. Can tell me how a 4x connector would fit into a CLOSED 1x PCIe slot, you dumb redneck cousinfucking inbred hick.

>>59074128
Because NONE of my cards are 1x cards you fucking moron.

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>>59062992
based lisa wrecking everyone

>>59074129
>Why would they need this?
Because I can't fit a fucking 4x, 8x, or 16x card into a 1x slot, you fucking meth-addicted trailertrash

>>59074130
>>59074130

You still aren't explaining why you need a 16x slot for each of your 4 lane, 4x cards.

Show me a mainstream intel board with 6 x 16x slots

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>>59074170
16x PHYSICAL slot NOT ELECTRICAL, you idiot

>>59073867
Nice virtue signalling. It's 2017, Trump won because you people are only able to express yourselves by making personal attacks and rioting

>>59074223
But Trump didn't win. He lost the popular vote by over a million votes.

>>59072830

(You) are a confirmed retard. It doesn't matter how many """"lanes"""" you can split off the chipset. Hell, it could be 100x lanes in the specification and it would still be shit. Why is this? It's because of the bandwidth limitations of the DMI 3.0 link itself. The link is only 4x PCI lanes equivalent speed.

Thus, the total bandwidth ANY intel chip with a DMI 3.0 interface can push through the chipset is 3.938 GB/s. The TOTAL LANES EQUIVALENT you get with an intel CPU is 20. AMD gives you 4 more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Media_Interface

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express#History_and_revisions

Why are these threads even allowed here. Go back to plebbit.

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>>59074166

>3K/4K series board
>Intended for Xeons
>Discontinued
>That price
>Mainstream

>>59074271

>>59074185 ****

>>59074237
Which isn't a metric that decides a winner

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>>59073867
https://videocardz.net/mobo/maxsun-b350-fx-gaming-pro/

>>59074271
I never said mainstream anywhere in my posts, you alt-right frog-worshipping Nazi cultist.
That motherboard is the exact same model I have that I picked up for $200. I only spent $300 on the Xeon E5-2687W. That's an X79 system and a motherboard for less than a Ryzen R7 1800X. Sit the fuck down son.

>>59074305
>only three
Try harder sweetiepie

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>>59074311

Sooo your argument against Ryzen is ONE random frankenstein board from years ago that suits your abnormal pleb needs?

Picture related. Sooner or later one of the third parties will release your 6 slot retard child motherboard for the current chipsets.

I think he's mad because nobody gave a shit when he tried to brag about his autistic setup

>>59074390
Stop replying.

>>59074411
Awww there there sweetie. Surely someone out there wants to fuck a fat, neckbearded white virgin WoW player.

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>>59074311
>>59074331
>have server board loaded with PCI-E storage and networking peripherals
>complain that a consumer board doesn't have 3 x16 slots and at least 3 x4 (lel) slots on release

You are beyond retarded, you stupid chink. Nobody cares about your bargain bin EATX housefire setup.

>>59074484
>chink
I'm half black, half-Italian
Nice guess though. Too bad I'll always be physically, mentally, and socially better than you can even dream of. You're going extinct, white boy. Too bad it's because no sane white girl will ever choose to sleep with a white boy when we exist on the same planet.

>>59074437
Oh hun, don't talk like the slut from Twitter sweetie. Thanks babe.

>>59062899
fuck off shill

>>59074551
I was trying to imitate that cute white girl that you had a crush on, but went out and fucked guys like me every Friday night. Black dicks >>>> tiny white pricks. Stay cucked.

>>59074579
BBC is a meme

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>>59074523
Whatever helps you sleep at night, Jamalfredo. You got BTFO your own retarded thread when proven wrong about PCI-E lanes and you then backpedaled and tried to make your complaint about yet to be released AM4 boards probably not having enough PCI-E slots for your fucktarded setup.

You should be worrying more about trying not to get deported within the next 4 years than complaining about Ryzen.

>>59074600
You're saying my dick is a meme?
How many times did you get your microscopic dick wet in the past week?
Me? Add one and multiply by four because you can't multiply a zero.

>>59074610
>You got BTFO your own retarded thread when proven wrong about PCI-E lanes
Nope
>X550-T2 - 8x
>Quadro K6000 - 16x
>i340-T4 - 4x
>OCZ Revo (2x) - 4x each
>AVAGO LSI HBA card - 8x
Do the fucking math. I was never proven wrong, you morons kept trying to convince yourselves that a SAS HBA card, a 10Gig NIC and a Quadro was a 1x card. Y'all made yourselves the fool.

>>59062992

i'm fucking ded now hahahahahaha

>>59074237
>America = democracy
If you knew anything about America you would know that
1. Its a democratic republic
2. Due to the many illegal immigrants, over 3 million illegal votes were cast
3. There are many fucking territories that participate in the popular vote but not electoral like Guam

>>59074706
/every anti-Trump thread

>>59074706
>Its a democratic republic
No, it's a fucking democracy
>Due to the many illegal immigrants, over 3 million illegal votes were cast
No one believes that. There is no proof of that happening. And even if it did, what the fuck is the problem with US residents voting for the people who affect their livelihoods?
>There are many fucking territories that participate in the popular vote but not electoral like Guam
And that is criminal. The rigged system needs to be changed. Fuck the electoral college.

>>59074729
>And even if it did, what the fuck is the problem with US residents voting for the people who affect their livelihoods?
THIS BAIT lol

>>59074769
No seriously, why the fuck should citizens be the only people allowed to vote for people who will affect their everyday lives? Citizens aren't the only people who live in the US. There are more permanent residents and undocumented immigrants than there are white voters in the US. Why should the minority of the country's population hold the fate of the majority hostage?
How can you even justify that?

>>59074729
>boo hoo America isn't the way I dreamed it
Too bad, so sad, youre retarted
>US residents = US citizens
Lol hardcore bait
>territories should have the same privilege as states because fuck you
Liberal crybaby. Until they are decided by our government that such territories become states, they will remain territories with no electors

>>59074795
The US economy greatly effects my countries economy and thus my daily life. Where's my vote? Oh wait I don't get one because that would be retarded.

>>59074809
And yet you should. The US affects the world, and only a small fraction of the world's population has the ability to control who gets to run the world.

>>59074809
>>59074826
I dont to get to vote for fucking Canada prime ministers or North Korea's dictators. Too bad, so sad, you're points are bad

>>59074838
That's because Canada and North Korea aren't important, fuckboy. The US is the most powerful nation in the world and basically runs the world. It's completely unfair that only US citizens have the power to shape this global government.

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>>59074237
>>59074729
>>59074795
>>59074809
>>59074826
>>59074858
>pic related

>>59074858
Each country has their role in the economy. Anyone who thinks that the US is all-powerful is retarted.

>>59074892
>retarted
Found the retard
The US is too powerful not to be governed by a global citizenry.

>>59074435

:^)

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>>59071354
Why micro atx? no ssd?

>>59074915
The world is not ready for ((((global)))) citizenry. That would take wars to decide how it would be run because all world powers are too retarted to just make a stupid council and get over it. Plus it would take even more to make every single person a citizen

>>59074938
Already have ssds and hdds. Micro ATX because I like the smaller form factor, but have had my fill of the itx meme.

>>59074657
>Do the fucking math.
You've already been told your devices on those PCI-E slots can't fully saturate the bandwidth that even Ryzen provides. You don't just add up the slot size numbers lmao.

You'll just have to wait for a special snowflake motherboard that can physically hold all of your PCI-E autism.

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>>59074657

This has nothing to do with Intel CPUs lol. Asus deciding to load up a meme CEB workstation board with PLX chips and full slots 5 years ago is completely irrelevant. Any OEM can do that regardless of CPU. You're reaching son.

>>59075087
>PCIe lanes are only about bandwidth
How fucking stupid are you guys? Two of the lanes on the i340 are for electricity to power the card. Same goes for some of the other cards like the HBA and 10Gbit NIC.
>>59075112
Not reaching at all cumskin. There aren't enough PCIe lanes coming out of Ryzen to make this many slots and lanes available without some serious latency issues. Keep reaching for them stars, I'm sure you'll reach them one day, whitey.

>>59062819

Intel fags btfo for the millionth time

>>59075146

What has socket power got to do with it? Again, nothing to do with intel.

Modern PLX bridges that split into x16 Gen3 will create an almost immeasurable amount of latency, so it is really only about bandwidth.

>>59074795
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0

>>59075253
Keep digging, you're almost to China now

>>59075338

>beliefs proven redundant
>pretends that this didn't happen

Why are you complaining in a Ryzen thread when the same issues plague the current Intel offerings? Kaby is stuck with 16 lanes and the bullshit that is DMI 3.0 (essentially 4x bridged out to whatever).

There is no way around this on Intel without dropping $1000+ on a last-gen CPU or $500 on a 5 year old memestation. Agreed that Ryzen 7 could do with more dedicated lanes for the sake of meme builds, but in reality it is still ahead of the competition in its segment, and modern PLX would be more than adequate if needed.

>>59066198
>c-compare it to something of the same era else useless
>c-compare it to something useful so I get a good idea if it is better
ftfy

>>59074021
>only 2 sata connectors
Please tell me they arent becoming the Intel of motherboards.

>>59076027
I count 6.

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>>59074523
AHAHAHAHA

HAHAHA

You're serious?

HAHAHAHAHA

>>59074657
Yeah, and they're all PCIe 3.0 always saturating the connection.
Weak bait Jamario.

What do you need that for anyway?