so /g/ what's your excuse for not buying ryzen? it's

I won't need to upgrade my computer for probably a year or two, I might buy Zen+. If a friend needs help building a computer or I come into unexpected money I'll do a Ryzen build assuming it lives up to hype.

>>59054847
The fact that my 4790k @ 4.7 still performs great and that my video card is my bottleneck in most things anyways.

I'm a professional who needs 200PCIe 3.0 lanes, AMD can't provide that.

>>59055084
>200PCIe lanes
For what purpose?

I don't need MOAR COAR

>>59054847
>"price-performance" chart
>skewing results

performance is performance and intel still wins if you're not a poorfag

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>>59055084
Sure it can, 288 lanes in fact, you just need to buy this.

>>59055113
>Intel 10 core at $2000 gets beaten by a 200MHz overclocked 8 core at $400 in threaded test

>>59055140
>but it doesn't tho

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>>59055159
Lmao

>>59055165
Pre release bencharmks don't count

>>59055203
Kek, all this desperation

>>59055165
>intel getting hammered in a synthetic physics (FP) tests, the very same workload bulldozer fell flat on its face

>>59055165
Lol that pathetic IPC, AMD needs 1GHZ more to be 3% faster than Intel

>>59055264
> what is turbo
>what is higher core count
>what do your tears taste like
>most of all what is $1700 vs $390

Intelfags have become insane in the last week.

>>59055165
People seem to forget that Broadwell-e has 4 channel memory, twice the bandwidth and it seems to be doing fuck all to help them.

>>59055264

$1,650 dollar CPU being beaten at anything by a 350 dollar CPU.

I don't render shit all day.

Single threaded performance will benefit me more than multi threaded.

>>59055343
Get a pentium and overclock it.

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Might as well buy an old xeon for $20 and gush on and on about how great of a price/performance it is.

>>59055383
Old Xeons are great value t b h. That one is too old though.

>>59055264
>>59055306
>>59055337
not only that but the 6950x is a 10 core cpu lol, not an 8 like Ryzen

>>59055383
I got a free 3 year old Xeon, its value is infinity.
Anyhow suggesting that people who buy stuff CPUs look at how much they can get for a certain amount of budget is just plain wrong.

>>59055264
The intel CPU has 4 more threads

>>59055383
I got an i3-3220 for $50 CDN. But that doesn't matter, because we're talking about new shit, not used.

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>ITT people not knowing how to read the chart properly and confuse best value with top performance

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I have this cynical hunch that game performance is either very similar or under-performs.

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>>59055456
>6 core AMD beating 6 core intel cpu while costing less

Has the shitwrecker actually done it?

>>59055480
It's not going to take much effort to beat Intel on price when they're literally gouging the entire market due to lack of competition.

>>59055480
AMDs strong point has always been multi threaded stuff, even with bulldozer/piledriver it was their strong point.
We need to wait and see a more comprehensive review of the new cpus to come a better conclusion about ryzen rather than depend on leaks.

>>59055510
Anyone still jerking "muh single core" dick after this is a confirmed Intelshill. Guaranteed.

>>59055510
>same or better performance against intel competitor with the same core count and clockspeed
>??? (calculating concussion in halfwit brain) ???
>OBVIOUSLY ITS SINGLE THREAD SPEED MUST BE SLOWER???

This is how Intelfags sound the last couple of days

>>59055526
b-b-but the only metric that matters is whether i can run quake at 3000 fps or 2950

>>59055572
desu amd could have a better implementation of smt

>>59055595
That's even less likely.

>>59055574
Y-yes goy, buy Intel. DO IT NOW GOYIM.

>>59055572
AKTSCHUELY

There's two ways this can still mean lower IPC, even if they're very small chances they're still there

- AMD has better SMT implementation (already posted)
- AMD has a better command queue and thread scheduler leading to better thread utilization

They're both pretty much fairy tales though, these are server-facing software/firmware issues Intel and its partners have been refining for decades.

>>59054847
I have had several shit cpus from amd. I don't know if it is worth giving them a chance again.

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Remember what happened when the RX480 before it went on sale? People were saying it offered GTX 1070 performance for $200. Turns out it's basically an R9 390 that's always way over $200.

Things won't be different. It will performn like a 6700K at best.

>>59055697
I remember how CPUs and GPUs are the same thing.
What I will remember a few years down the line is your lot' tears.

>>59054847
>so /g/ what's your excuse for not buying ryzen?
Not out yet, you fucking retard

>>59054847
>so /g/ what's your excuse for not buying ryzen? it's literally the logical choice.

I already have a PC, don't need to buy a new one for a while.

My excuse is that I already have a 4790k and none of my daily tasks will say any performance benefit from installing a Ryzen.

>>59055743
What are your daily tasks?

>>59055697
>People were saying it offered GTX 1070 performance for $200.

nobody said that ever. All the early benches put it at 390x level with less memory bandwidth.

>>59055383
you can get quad core 771 xeons (modded for 775) for under $10 on ali

>>59055451
That's my same CPU and I bought it new for 100 euros 4 years ago. You got ripped man.

It's also a piece of shit, but I didn't want to give Intel more money than that.

>>59055768
shitposting on 4chan and masturbating to trannies

>>59054847
I know for a fact that ryzen wont have better ipc than kabylake, and that it might not even hit 5ghz+ like kabylake can so it can fuck any game up.

But for workstation pc, r7 1800x all the fucking way. 6900k performance workstation for nearly half the cost? hell yeah

>>59055768

Everything but video editing/rendering.

>>59055782

Bullshit.

>This will be where we get the most out of these chips. Ideally matching a stock 1070 with OC


https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/rumor-rx-480-overclocking-1500-mhz.2477683/

>>59055383
>>59055393
>>59055411
>>59055451

They're more than 50% less performants than i7 in pure horsepower.

Not only that but they also suck at multi-threading since they were the first models who really tried that. Your computer will feel as slow as a 2008 one.

Waste of money.

>>59055343
No, you need all the threads to run all your tabs in your browser. Everything is multithreaded at this point.

>my cellphone has a quad core processor
>my fucking TV has an octa core processor
Ireally don't even fucking get the TV. It doesn't even do anything.

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>mfw amdrones thought they were getting the 1800x for $499
>mfw amdpoors will be eating rice and beans for months if they want to buy their latest and greatest space heaters

http://archive.is/2017.02.21-212937/https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06W5Q7B38/

>>59056208
>/w liquid cooler bundle

You think we're blind?

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>>59055911
>masturbating to trannies

>>59056208
>http://archive.is/2017.02.21-212937/https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06W5Q7B38/
>CPU plus a LIQUID COOLER package is $100 more
Are you that fucking retarded?

>>59054847
All I see are Cinebench benchmarks. I could give a shit less about what processor tops the charts in Cinebench. I give a fuck about how it's going to play my games.

Until I start seeing benchmarks on games like Battlefield 1 to me Ryzen doesn't even exist.

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>>59056228
you can skimp on the liquid cooler if you want your house to go up in flames

only kidding i know you guys don't own your own homes

>>59056286
Dumb frogposter.

>>59056276
>>>/v/

You dont even hide yourself

>>59056276

t. manchild that can't understand CPU engineering outside of "Intel = better in game benchmarks"

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>>59056208
>>59056286
And that's still cheaper than a 6900k without any cooling.

>>59056643
You can safely fall back to the slightly lower clock and cheaper 1700X now and it'll still be same performance.

>>59056719
>not getting the base 8 core version and just overclocking it
Wow it's like you hate money or something.

>>59056208
>I don't want better processors imma suck Intel's dick till the day I die

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If they deliver i am selling my i5 6600k, if they don't i am saving for a Vega GPU.

>>59054847
Did AMD paid you to shill this to us here?

>>59054847
need to send in a video card to msi for warranty shit, wont buy ryzen till it comes back.

most likely getting a 1800x unless the 1700x exactly the same just lower base.

Can't buy something that doesn't exist

>>59056482
has there ever been a good cpu that plays games horribly? I mean sure bulldozer and its derivatives could multitask with the best mainstream i7's but when anything single core and taxing came by they struggled.

an all around fantastic cpu won't play games like shit.

>>59056162
not a waste if you get everything cheap enough.

a while back could get a dual socket motherboard, 128gb of ram and 2 8 core 16 thread cpus for 400$.

>>59055476
You mean just because we have literally no gaming benchmarks despite all these leaks with the exception of that really old one which shows AMD lower than 6600.
Yeah I have the exact same impression.

>>59055574
Lets be 100% fair on this point

If a game is gpu bound, it plays well, just not getting all the frames it can.
If a game is cpu bound it plays like fucking garbage.

its better to have an overkill cpu and a weaker gpu just for the sake of not binding the cpu.

>>59055609
amds multithread has always been better then intels, just look at the construction cores and where they fall single core and where they fell multicore.

>>59057284
that's bullshit and you're missing the point besides: only ancient/shitty indie gayms are actually single-threaded.

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>>59056952

>>59057303
most games slam one thread exclusively and pay lipservice to the fact the cpu has more than 1 thread.

the game is multithreaded, is still hammers one core FAR more than the others.

and like I said, to be fair cpu bound plays like fucking garbage with stuttering and massive frame rate drops everywhere, while gpu bound just doesn't play at a higher framerate.

If I had to pick a system I would rather it be cpu gpu bottlenecked then cpu.

That said, the worst case scenario for amd is a 6600k, and once you clock the cpu up to 3.4 it sits between a 6600k and a 6700k, likely all chips can handle an all core overclock of 4ghz, and that puts it at top of the pile, possibly, depending on how smart amds self overclocking is, it can see what the game is doing, see its using 1-4 cores, and clock them up to 4.5+ and neglect the other cores, and now you are tied with intel's best quad cores in games, and shitting on it mercilessly.

Im going with a 1700x or a 1800x, benches will tell me which one I chose.

>>59055264
Lol that pathetic IPC, Intel needs 2 cores and 4 threads more to be 3% slower than AMD

>>59056760
if xfr is good, I can skip the days of burn in to see if its stable, and then skip the months of finding out its slightly unstable and dicking around with clock speed, as its all done for me with sensors that should be able to pick up if something is going off the rails and compensate.

if xfr is a meme, getting a 1700 and manually putting it to 4.0ghz and being happy with that.

>>59056236
>filename
stupid phoneposter

>>59055316
Intel can't share memory channels across dies. THat is why they have quad channel memory. It's a holdover from the Xeon die. Pointless with 1 CPU, The new Opteron CPUs will be 4x Zeppelin dies sharing a MCM for 144 PCIE lanes and octo channel memory.

>>59054847
Still need to sell current setup and it isn't out yet.

why so much intel damage control and shilling? why would you defend intels ridicolous prices?

>>59057639

Buyers remorse, younglings who don't know the value of the dollar, or just fanboy for the best they can buy and feel threatened.

>>59054847
I won't need a new processor for many years, my 4790k is still PWNing

>>59057639
literal intel shareholders trying to salvage their poor investment choices

>>59055383
>not a i5 2500k for $90

you know nothing about being a poorfag

Its gonna be fantastic when Intel just halves the price of the 6950x, after the release of Ryzen.

We all know the manufacturing cost of those chips isnt anyhere near what they sell them for. They only sell them so high because theres currently nothing better and they can.

AMD buttbuddies are gonna be so sad.

>>59054847
Lmao this is fake as fuck, there are no real benchmarks yet

Ryzen is a complete failure like everything AMD does, I can't wait to see the massive disappointments here when it comes out

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My Desktop still runs flawlessly everything I ask of it. So no need to scrap it yet. Really though for older games, the Phenom II is only option for amd platform if you want the game to run without clock rate/timing issues. So for me, Phenom II is it. Best of both, old game compatibility yet powerful enough for everything else.

>>59057938
I use a laptop at work running an old Phenom chip. It takes it 45 seconds to a minute to load scan files with more than 10 images, takes it around 20 seconds to load the file explorer everytime I go deeper into the network drives.

I realize its an old mobile chip but theres no way in hell a Phenom can handle a modern work load, Id be wiling to bet the laptop I use would crash if I tried to open a powerpoint.

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>>59057859

>>59057823

Will you be greatful for AMD then?

>>59057323
WHERE THE FUCK IS THIS FROM ALREADY

>>59058534
Hardly, only thing AMD would have done is force Intels hand. After they decrease the prices of all the enthusiast chips Ryzen will be second best.

That is to say, the cores on the Ryzen chips are more than likely shit, just like every CPU/APU AMD has made.

>>59054847
I have a 5820k that I just got about 1.5 years ago and it should last me another 3.5 years at least. I barely push it doing what I do as it is.

I hope Ryzen kicks ass though.

>>59058790

What's it like being that bitter at AMD?

All they do is make your life better.

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why bother if you can buy ES V3 Xeons on ebay at 200 usd

>>59058914
Not even bitter, my first rig was an FX 6300, and a 7950 with only 1 working fan. It was effectively a heater while playing Overwatch or GTA5 but nothing ever went wrong with it.

Fact of the matter is AMD has pretty much never been ahead of Intel, and I have no reason to believe Ryzen will change that. And even if Ryzen does change that do you really thing the biggest semiconductor company around will allow that to stand? Im almost willing to bet Intel has already improved their CPUs beyond Kaby Lake or Ryzen, but they havent released that technology to the public because they dont have to.

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>>59058969
>my first rig was an FX 6300
>AMD was never ahead of intel

reported for underage

and im gonna tell your mom you post on 4chan

>>59059027
My bad I was unaware we were counting ancient CPUs, with games that have always run better on AMD hardware.

Typical AMD shill though, pull out incredibly outdated and highly specialized charts.

Funny you say Im underaged but you apparently haven't passed your 5th grade writing classes.

Intel straight shooters: what's the kicker here? Wherein lies the rub?

RED PILL ME

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>>59059065
>athlon 64
>ancient
>games that have always run better on AMD hardware

are u underage or just stupid

>>59059027
>>59059065
Also, back to your lack of grammatical ability, I said pretty much never, not never.

>>59059065
the athlon 64 was fucking legendary you underage cuck

Because I bought an i5 2500k like 5 years ago and overcocked it to 4.7ghz

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>>59059065
>Hurr durr AMD is shit they were never ahead
>Your evidence doesn't count! It's ancient!
>Let me pull something out of my ass because I cannot admit being wrong!

Go back to /v/ you underage faggot

>Inb4 muh AMDrones

>>59059143
>>59059151
>implying 2003 isnt ancient as far as a cpu goes

The laptop I use at work run an Athlon mobile chip, key term being "mobile chip" just incase you need some help. It takes the thing around 45 seconds to a minute to load scan file more than 10 images. Back when Runescape was the thing to do I can imagine the Athlon was a fucking legend but as of now its literal trash.

You AMD fags are adorable.

Intel is going to shit on Ryzen days after its release, somehow.

Screencap it.

>>59059065
Don't you realize when you get older and some teenage asshole that calls something 10 years older ancient (i don't know zack and cody)
You are going to say "Fuck off you little shit, you know nothing"

>>59059186
Considering the samefags extent of CPU knowledge is the benchmarks he pulls off google?

Hows it feel to know a 22 year old could fucking school you on whats apparently a touchy subject?

>>59055981
Congrats on finding a single post of a guy hoping that with a wicked OC he might be able to get near a 1070. Too bad he isnt say it WILL be a 1070.

>>59059027
Not only that, but he got it to play overwatch. That means he went out last year and purposely bought 5+ year old hardware. What a retard

>>59059231
I used to fuck guys like you in prison

>>59059267
Ive never been to prison because Im not worthless, congrats on being a hairy cheek smasher though.

>>59057823
>slash prices on your processors by 50%
>expecting ZERO backlash
>thinking this is actually a good thing for intel

Sorry goy, the only thing intel can do is 10$ off and and just eat it while they get hammered. Then theyll need to roll a new arch out and make up some bullshit about a new tech that lets them manufacture cheaper so they can price match AMD.

>>59059185
you're just running some bloated windows install with lots of processes running in background

linux would fly on that athlon chip

I love all the "Intel won't adjust their pricing, they'll just lose market share" posts. There's a reason you code monkeys don't run companies.

>>59059300
" Intel's new manufacturing technology allows them to undercut the competition"

>>59054847
i have no money

>>59054940

Running the stock heatsink on that?

>>59059185
>somehow

BRAIN, THEYRE SHITTING ALL OVER US WHAT DO WE DO?

FUCK I DONT KNOW, JUST DO SOMETHING, ANYTHING!

cue second attempt by intel to go mobile

>>59059300
You really think they haven't already developed cheaper means of making their chips?

Why the fuck would they sell a $400 chip for $400 when its the best chip on the market and they know they can get $1700 out of it?

Theres a 95% chance Intel already has an unreleased 6 and/or 8 core processor that will demolish Ryzen, and theyll just slip it right into their current lineup at a reasonable price. Its not like they dont have the contracts to make the chips for damn near every workstation, as well as Apple. Intel could probably stop making chips altogether and sell oranges with drones and AMD wouldnt pass them up in revenue for years.

Would it be worth replacing my 4670k with a 1700x or 1800?

>>59059343
Stupid question, all the shill shit and rage youll see on this board is completely unfounded until the actual release of Ryzen, including mine.

>>59059342
Oh daddy Intel you're so strong, can I suck your cock?

>>59054847
Ryzen this ryzon that. Ryzon sucks, ryzon is great.

Who fucking cares. Y'all need to shut up about ryzon

>>59054871
The thing with Zen+ is it will also work with AM4 motherboards. Many buying Zen today will just buy Zen+ when it comes out and slap it in. This isn't like Jewtel where you have to do a full build everytime.

>8core barely beats a 4core Intel
B*LLDOZER ALL OVER AGAIN

>>59055861
>you can get quad core 771 xeons (modded for 775) for under $10 on ali
any good? worth it?
>power consumption
o-oh

>>59054847
I plan on it, but not until end of this year. Honestly, I'm waiting for Vega to come out and for thorough reviews and good motherboard support/aftermarket coolers for both, so I'll probably just wait until Black Friday and get the sales.

>>59059385
You seem to be unaware that Kabylake will work in a Z170 board, and Skylake will work in a Z270 board.

Its called a BIOS update.

>>59059386
>barely

>>59054847
I have a 6700k. Tell me why I should care? I don't get better performance or save any money by selling my mobo and CPU now do I?

>>59059419
did you see the OP image LMAO

>>59054847
>so /g/ what's your excuse for not buying ryzen?
It's not out yet.

>>59059428
>I have a 6700k. Tell me why I should care? I don't get better performance or save any money by selling my mobo and CPU now do I?
Nah, anyone who already owns a good CPU (read: anyone with a modern Intel CPU) has nothing to gain by going with Ryzen. Only retards who bought Bulldozer and people who have been waiting since ~2011 should upgrade.

>>59059415
How come they couldnt add a ddr3 controller like amd did with ddr2 in their phenom series?
Intel will use any excuse to use a new chipset and push features onto the board

Am I the only one that noticed theres a "Intel Core i7 6960x" on that benchmark?

As far as I know theres only a 6950x, this benchmark is fake as fuck.

>>59055411
it's value is DIV BY 0 ERROR in reality

>>59059342
>Theres a 95% chance Intel already has an unreleased

When can this meme stop?

They'll just lower the prices accordingly or release another refresh for muh """"15%"""" with the clock speed crowbar.

Their road map has shown repetitively that Cannonlake is not coming before Q4 2017 at the earliest and will be limited to notebooks first. But even if they change that, it will just be another "tick" refresh with only minor IPC gains.

There's a (completely) new uArch rumored to be in development, but it's likely in early stages of development and thus won't see the light in this decade.

>>59059451
Fuck if I know, because DDR3 is inferior at this point?

Its a business, of course theyre out to make money more than anything else.
>>59059470
All we can assume is based on what Intel actually tells us.

>>59057323
My sides

>>59059475
>All we can assume is based on what Intel actually tells us.

Yes, because they're also telling it to their investors and OEMs.

>>59059443
>4 cores / 2.8
>6 cores / 3.8
>8 cores 4.3

Definitely not barely. In fact, if the trend continues for the 4 core Ryzen sample that would put 4 core Ryzen above the 7700k.

>>59059487
I doubt their Quads will beat the 7700k, but it will be rather close.

>>59059487
>delusional AMDtards really believe this
This is literally Bulldozer all over again

>>59058497
>W8
mmhhhhh

>>59057491
>not getting a 1700 and trying to beat the overclocking world record
>not even shooting for 4.5GHz
>ishygddt
Liquid Helium is the best coolant, some guy in an overclocking shindig got his 8350 up to 8.4GHz with He(l)

>>59059475
people seem to think intel or any other company can pull shit out of their ass.

>>59055480
when will 1900s airplane rotary piston engine technology come to anal toys? ;w;

>>59059507
>I can't maths
Cool, good to know.

>>59059499
I kinda doubt it too but I was just going by the numbers in the OP image.

>>59059513
this sounds pretty golden, source?

>>59059535
You are literally too stupid to interpret graphs and draw rational conclusions from them

>>59059539
This looks like malware but here goes
https://valid.x86.fr/records.html

>>59059535
Actually its Math NOT Maths you wouldn't say Sciences or Histories
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbZCECvoaTA

>>59059574
quit arguing semantics and stay on topic.

>>59059580
Eat my shit

>>59059589
That, sir is disgusting.
No.

>>59059601
Sorry I tend to react with maximum aggression and I can't form a cogent argument to save my life

>>59059619
t. Intel fan

>>59059566
Sorry, you seem to have replied to the wrong post. I believe you meant to reply to >>59059386.

>>59059623
>its funny because AMDfags cling to life by shitposting fake benchmarks in maximum hope that Ryzen wont be shit.

>>59059632
>Fake Benchmarks
>Cinebench is fake
Okay.

>>59054847
But I am anon. Buying a 1700x on day one.

>>59059642
Tell me how you think a 6950X would be at the bottom of this list.

Also tell me why theres a 6960X on there to begin with.

>>59059650
>1700X
>Not just a 1700, an (optional) aftermarket cooler and OCing
ishygddt

>>59059658
Because Cinebench isn't optimised for Skylake?

>>59059658
>he doesn't understand instruction set extensions

>>59059659
IDK, XFR mite b cool

>>59059671
>>59059675
I like how neither of you addressed the 6960X.

For fucks sake the guy that made this shit didnt even remember to capitalize the X in 6950X.

>>59059696
I'm not saying this benchmark is necessarily real, but it's not unusual for Broadwell-E to bench below Skylake in applications that don't utilize more than a few cores because of the difference in IPC.

>>59059632
>>59059658
>>59059642
>>59059671
>>59059675
>>59059696

You are absolutely fucking retarded.

OP's image is a price to performance comparison

>>59059659
I want xfr. Xfr models will likely be binned better since they are made to oc themselves

>>59059746
total speculation

>>59059730
>6960X

>>59059730
Then see 3DMark here: >>59055165
Or straight Cinebench here: >>59055456 and here: >>59058497

>>59059751
I am positive the cpu that costs 100 more will be binned better. Will need to come down to how much better. I dont want to poorfag because i want to get a good 6 years out of it

>>59059787

>I am positive
No, again, this is pure speculation. We barely have any info and you're already going off the deep end here.
>I am positive the cpu that costs 100 more will be binned better. Will need to come down to how much better. I dont want to poorfag because i want to get a good 6 years out of it
Even if you're right to some extent, we're talking about massive diminishing returns. This is like 20-40% markup for negligible differences in performance. The only real advantage is that dumb people and normies will be able to say they have an OC'd chip which, for the average idiot, has more value than the actual performance it produces.

>>59059794
This.

>>59059794
Coming from someone that overclocks his CPUs for no other reason other than I can, you are correct.

I am legit amazed at the assmad Ryzen has caused. The only people that would get flustered about Ryzen would have to be underage and I'd bet my life they are on one of the memelake variants. I'm happy with my intel CPU but Zen is not Bulldozer -- it's the exact opposite from a design standpoint.

>>59059794
Oh yeah i forgot why i was set on the 1700x. The 1700 is 65w and 1700x is 95w. 1700x will be the monster overlocker for this reason.

i don't play games so im not buying zen

>>59059830
desu...

>>59054847
HOUSE FIRES.

>>59059845
1800x is 95w. Pretty sexy

>>59059231
kek typical college fag learns the basic of something and thinks he is a special snowflake because of it

>>59055306

Intel is fucking weird as fuck, if anyone here ever got a discounted processor from their edge program you know what the fuck I'm talking about breh. Their marketing/brainwashing department is fucking hoolarious

>>59059935
I learned the basics of this shit quite awhile ago, at this point Im just out of your league.

At least I can go to college, based on your typing Id assume you dropped out of 6th grade.

>>59059966
Dude not him but get the fuck out lmao

My excuse for not buying a Ryzen is that they're not for sale.

>>59059974
Nah, I belong here just as much as you morons, which is pretty much not at all considering these benchmarks dont mean shit until we have post release versions.

>>59059966
>I have my no argument and pointing out grammar mistakes on 4chan makes me feel better
I'm not the same person dumbass. I am in college right now and see you 1337 faggots all the time. Funny how most of the time people who think they know a lot don't know shit.

>>59059990
Lol we can spot an intel kike you arent one of us

>>59056175
>my fucking TV has an octa core processor
>Ireally don't even fucking get the TV. It doesn't even do anything.
For you? Nothing. For the botnet? Ah. Now you begin to see.

>>59059826
TDP rating doesn't necessarily mean much. I suspect that if you have a decent mobo it will simply allow the chip to draw more power, perhaps this will be a BIOS setting, etc. I think they rated the X chip higher simply to give themselves some head room in their marketing materials, not because the non-x is actually limited to just 65W.

>>59059993
>I have my no argument
Aware Im doing what you're giving me shit but but one would imagine you'd check your grammar in a post about grammar.

>funny how most of the time people who think they know a lot don't know shit

Funny how that applies to you and 90% of the rest of the people who posted in this thread.

>>59059999
Id call myself a whoever is better kike.

>>59059999
Quads of truth.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170206/15053736649/vizio-fined-22-million-not-telling-customers-their-tvs-were-spying-them.shtml

>According to the agencies’ complaint, starting in February 2014, VIZIO, Inc. and an affiliated company have manufactured VIZIO smart TVs that capture second-by-second information about video displayed on the smart TV, including video from consumer cable, broadband, set-top box, DVD, over-the-air broadcasts, and streaming devices.

>In addition, VIZIO facilitated appending specific demographic information to the viewing data, such as sex, age, income, marital status, household size, education level, home ownership, and household value, the agencies allege. VIZIO sold this information to third parties, who used it for various purposes, including targeting advertising to consumers across devices, according to the complaint.

>>59055383
Fine me a cheap motherboard and then we'll talk

>>59054940
This. I'd love to get Ryzen, but I literally have an 4790k that happily hits 4.7

>>59060007
The x is for xfr. The new self overclocking technology that i am excited for. Fucking around in bios, crashing over and over, and running stress tests is a huge waste of time. My time is worth money. But yeah the 1800x and the 1700x are the only 95w chips. The cream of the crop ready to be oced to high clocks and handle higher voltage than the lower models.

>>59060018
>Falls for the most obvious bait
Gj faggot
>Funny how that applies to you and 90% of the rest of the people who posted in this thread.
You're not wrong although all I did was call you out for being an elitist faggot. Just calm down man, having such a self inflated ego will only be self destructive. You're 22 and have less experience than most people in your field.

>>59055383
Except Ryzen is actually going to be good? Lmao how does this comparison make any sense.

>>59060018
>Im
>but but
>Id
One would imagine you'd check your grammar in a post about grammar.

>>59060046
>The x is for xfr. The new self overclocking technology that i am excited for
Yeah, I know.
> Fucking around in bios, crashing over and over, and running stress tests is a huge waste of time. My time is worth money. But yeah the 1800x and the 1700x are the only 95w chips. The cream of the crop ready to be oced to high clocks and handle higher voltage than the
Uh, this is how OCing works. The entire point of OCing is for the performance gain. If you're simply paying more for more performance, it's not the same thing, and you shouldn't lose sight of the fact that you're concerned with performance for your dollar. In reality, you're probably talking about 20-40% markup for virtually no difference between the two versions outside of saving yourself an hour or two of tinkering with the multiplier.
>well that's worth it to me
k so why don't you buy a $2000 chip while you're at it? This is what gets me about you people--simple marketing techniques completely fry your brain and make it impossible for you to make rational choices

>>59060053
I would attribute that to the fact that I haven't even graduated.

I wouldn't really call it an ego more than I know that 4chan is a collection of retards who repost the information they get from the actual intelligent people, or cling to fake benchmarks like dear life.

Im only egotistical in games.

>>59060065
Yea I fucked up the but, but you expect me to reach for the fucking hyphen for a 2 letter word?

I aint about that life.

>>59060088
>thinks an apostrophe is a hyphen
You are a real genius alright.

>>59060098
>he fell for it
This is getting fun.

>>59060078
Yea I know I see kids like you all the time at my school. Computer engineering students are the worst because they can impress their retard friends and think they are smart because of it.

>>59060102
>iwasjustpretendingtoberetarded.jaypeg

>>59060078
>>59060112

Will you two just fuck already, this foreplay is fucking boring.

>>59060102
>say something stupid
>was trolling xD
whatever you say m8

>>59060112
>I see people like you all the time at my school
Im confused, you said you see people like me, but your followup is about idiots.

You see I actually know what Im doing most of the time.

Its a simple mistake anon I understand.
>>59060120
>heknowswhatmemesare
Whatever helps you sleep at night bruh.

>>59060140
>Still in undergraduate studies
>I know most all of computer engineering guys lol, it's so easy xD. I don't have trouble at my college level courses designed for retards. I must be smart huh?
I thought you were a real person for a second. Nobody is this much of a 1337 while being such a dumbass.

>>59057323
DELETE THIS!

>>59054847
did they take into account that with the new stock cooler you don't need to buy the basic aftermarket cooler? that's another 30 bucks save

>>59060298
Sure they did. Ryzen is geared towards third world countries and poor people.

>>59060365
>intelfag kike buttmad that his shitty stock cooler can't outperform a 212 or maybe better

>>59060067
As far as 8 core parts go, their stability at higher clockspeeds with lower voltages is what will set them appart. I see a part of the XFR design being for the sake of easily evaluating these factors during production. In the past it would be necessary to test each chip at certain set combinations to determine what its base and boost clocks could realistically be, with XFR they can just slap a set cooler on it and define minimum goals the chip can reach on its own.

The way I see it, the lower priced chips are lower priced BECAUSE they've been tested to show they offer inferior OC potential. Much like with Polaris, it will be months before consumers start seeing "golden examples" as those already proven the best will be reserved for enterprise and OEM.

Keep in mind since all chips are fabbed with the same target, this means all chips have the topography associated with XFR. The question is, are the non-x chips disabled because the XFR was faulty or is it arbitrary? And if it is because they're faulty, what test procedures determine their respective ability?

If you're looking for the best value from manual overclocking, you likely won't find it until long after launch as it's unlikely a superior chip will slip through the ranks until demand settles down. And let's face it, demand is going to be insane.

>>59060669
With all the sensors and self calibration build into Ryzen the chip has to be practically self binning. I do think that the product code and price likely fairly accurately let you guess the silicon quality, at least at launch.

As you said as things mature the differences will be less extreme but at least at launch I suspect they will be heavily binned.

>>59059513
the real world difference between higher clocks on 8 cores and what they produce for heat make pushing really high clocks appealing, and tweaking it for months on end because of an instability is not something I want to do.

I'm assuming that 4ghz will be doable and stable on every cpu.

>>59058969
well lets see here

netburst was a failure
itanium was a failure
failed to get into low power computing

seemingly everyone else is running circles around intel when they aren't dependant on x86

and to boot, intel is only where it is today because they fucked amd out of so much r&d money that they were stuck on bulldozer, and a gimped version of bulldozer at that.

If intel doesn't pull strings again, their track record for the last 20 years is fuckin horrible.

>>59060807
You forgot Larrabee.

>>59054847
I poo in the loo

>>59060824
No you don't, poojeet.

How do I buy AMD stocks with bitcoins?

>>59060817
that I did, there are probably a few other failures in there too.

then I also failed to mention what the amd engineers managed to pull off with fucking bulldozer, I mean we can all agree it was either ahead of its time or shit (multicore it was keeping up with intel's i7's till haswell, single core it was a step behind amds prior cpus and most programs even now still demand a good single core) but amd pulled off in real benchmarks what intel claims it pulls off in synthetic workloads each iteration.

Maybe intel did hit a wall hard with their architecture, or maybe intel just has crap engineers and a corporate structure that does not allow for talent to dictate what happens.

fact of the matter is intel has been beating a corpse for the last 8 or so years and it's kind of turned to jelly and that is being as kind to what they are doing as I can be.

>>59057323
>ayymdfags are so dumb they think poojeet is involved in cpu design

>>59054847
bought a Intel 6700k a year ago, will get the Ryzen 2 1800x 64 core 128 threads @ 5 Ghz in 2019/2020

>>59060841
He's involved with APU design though. Your turn, Rajeesh.

>>59059310
no, you have to have a more consumerist spin to it, other wise it sounds like they are gritting their teeth about not having 65% margins anymore

>>59060847
>APOO

>>59060854
Kiketel sold you glorified APOOs, Ranjeet.

>>59059517
People think intel has been sitting on innovation because of the low amounts of gains we have been getting and just cutting it up and doling it out for 5% ips gen over gen

When in reality intel has hit a wall hard, and just has no one on their ass to make them build a ladder, and a shit ceo that laughed ryzen off till recently, when he decided to hit the panic button and get a new uarch made.

eirliest we will see it is 2020, latest 2022

>>59059308
Intel literally cant, you have any idea what would happen if intel suddenly shifted the 6900 to 500$, or 400$, or at best case scenario 320$?

Everyone would know intel was bending them over a fucking table and ramming them in the ass hard. It would no longer be a nagging feeling that something fucked was happening, it would be in your face how much they were fucking you over, and call consumers stupid, but the moment an i7 gets priced down to sub 200$ because competition finally happened that would sit right with not a single customer.

>>59059343
yes and no.

If you do nothing to push the cpu, then there is your answer plain as day, if you do push it though, you got options from amds 4/8 6/12 and 8/16 lineup

>>59059450
you could likely sell your cpu/motherboard at above the price you paid for it, and use that money yo buy an amd 8 core, lose nothing or next to nothing on single core performance, but gain massively on multicore.

I never understood this AMD vs Nvidia vs Intel shit

You buy the best thing on the market when you build your PC, and you buy the best thing on the market when you build other people's PCs.

Even if AMD ends up making a tremendous mistake, why the fuck would you care?

>>59060932
>You buy the best thing on the market
Well,
1)Poorfags cant buy best and care about price/perf.
2)Define best. Ryzen will have MOAR COARZ and huge multicore perf, but there will still be games written in pajeet code ignoring that fact.

>>59060985
> but there will still be games written in pajeet code ignoring that fact
Ryzen offers a good single core performance. Not the best per clock, but Haswell level is decent. Many people run chips from Aug 2015 or before (when Skylake wasn't available). Do you think games run bad on those CPUs too?

>>59060985
Buy the best to your needs then. I recently bought a 6-core CPU and I emulate games. Quickly noticed Dolphin only uses 2.

But the point I'm making is that Nvidia fans don't lose anything regardless of what AMD's CPU ends up doing. Any discussion at all should be "What's the best X with Y budget" but instead it's like Goku vs Superman.

>>59061128
>Do you think games run bad on those CPUs too?
I dont, but you'll see a lot of fps benches with kabylake leading with 1 fps more than ryzen and a lot of AHAHA AMD IS FINISHED threads on /g/.
There are lot of people there and out there who will go for 1 fps overpaying 100$.

>>59061157
> and a lot of AHAHA AMD IS FINISHED
They always can compare Ryzen 3 and i7-6900, but I think even /g/ isn't that retarded.

Waiting for CANNONLAKE cpu. Ryzen will be destroyed, mark my words.

>>59061168
It's mobile only. And not even 10nm.

>>59061163
>but I think even /g/ isn't that retarded
There are AHAHAH AMD FINISHED comparsions of 1700x with 10-core intel on /g/ RIGHT NOW, in this thread.

>>59055264

>>59057208

But games themselves are most of the time unoptimized pieces of shit that can't properly use more than one or two cores.

CPUs are better used by intensive professionnal softwares

>worries about a small decrease in performance on a single core
>Pays twice as much for the privilege of that small single core performance

>>59061192
>unoptimized pieces of shit that can't properly use more than one or two cores.
recent three years, after ps4 widespread, this meme started to appear, you know why?
because most used CPU is i5 which chokes on games that can eat more than 4 threads, and that would be 90% of them these days 6-8 threads is a norm now.

you will drop some retarded fps graph, and I will counter with frametimes so let's don't go there

>>59061204

If 6-8 threads games are a norm now, why don't AMD CPUs perform better as they are known to be equally good if not better than I5s in multitasking ?

https://videocardz.com/66216/firefly-was-a-great-show

Ryzen tech day confirms performance shown in leaks.
Ryzen performs better than comparable intel offerings in Cinebench, a long held intel favoring benchmark. In ST and MT.

>>59061215
6900k performs better than i5, fact
there is not point comparing oranges to apples yet

The only benchmarks not posted yet are temperatures and power usage.

I WONDER WHY.

I'm totally predicting 103c on stock cooking and 175w power usage on the """"""""""""""""""65""""""""""""""" watt chip, and 122c on stock and 225w power usage on the """""""""""""""""""95"""""""""""""""""""""" watt chip

>>59061232
https://videocardz.com/66204/amd-ryzen-supports-ddr4-3600-mhz-memory
Confirmed support with 3600mhz DDR4

>>59061271
AMD's live demo showed power consumption, CanardPC showed power consumption too. Each showed the chip running just under 95w.
The chips have a tcase max of 70c, so they aren't running hot either. XFR has a tcase max slightly under 60c.

>>59061215
because dx11 chokes one thread, and pays lip service to others, even when the other threads are used well, it still chokes one thread.

amd performs a fuck load better on 12, mantle, and vulcan where one thread isn't the choking point.

But like I said, there are no all around good cpus that are bad at games, if amd is good at games, its great at everything else, and considering once you clock up the es from canard to base clocks/base turbo (what the cpu will actually hit, not their turbo that never hit higher then 3.2) it sits in between i5 and i7, even in single thread choking games, so its good for gaming

I'm curious to know how much faster newer CPU's can render physics simulations in Blender.

My i5 2500 makes me feel like I'm in the dark ages when it comes to that. I recently made a mere "eight second long" fluid simulation video and it took my computer damn near 15 minutes to render it. Granted, I had the fluid resolution settings super duper high for realism.

I really have to wonder how well a new cpu would handle these tasks.

>>59061291
That workload is exactly what more cores are for.
Haswell-E, Broadwell-E, or Ryzen would all be a lot faster.

>multithreading
lmao, whats the single core performance? is this moar coars all over?

>>59061280
sadly not a fuck is given, as seeing the difference from 3200mhz+ compared against price, 3200 is the price parity for most performance least price.

there is also the issue of that one bench showing ryzen has issue with latency and matching the latency on intel didn't make that massive a divide.

>>59061317
>there is also the issue of that one bench showing ryzen has issue with latency and matching the latency on intel didn't make that massive a divide.
Can you learn to write English? Good grief, shit like this is painful to read. Its like a visual representation of your physical retardation on my screen.

The only bench metrics showing an issue were CPUMark, Physics, and Prime Numbers in Passmark. The Passmark test system had a 2400mhz kit with 17 17 17 39 2N timings.
Its a well known fact that these test events are heavily influenced by RAM latency. Dozens of people over the past week have run tests on their own PCs to confirm it.
You're just talking out of your ass.

I'll probably wait for ITX options to drop...

Otherwise i don't know what GPU to pair with it, the 480 is a year old now, it's quite possible we'll see a Polaris refresh alongside vega's release.

>>59054847
Because they're not out yet, you retarded mongoloid. Wanna see release reviews, not early benchmarks.

>>59061334
go look at the adoredtv video, everyone here loves saying that he shills amd, but when he matched speed and timeings he couldn't get his ram to make THAT big of a difference on his 6700.

Either the ram was FAR worse than listed, something is up on the bios, or amd didn't make a good memory controller.

>>59059794
They're offering watercooled options for XFR apparently. That's a pretty good indication that it does far more than a temporary spike.

>>59061291
Its going to take a long time regardless, accurate physics are a motherfucker on resources, but it should at the very least halve the time it takes to do the calculation.

>>59061358
http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=281929&postcount=6391
Seriously, learn to write English, or do not post here. You write like you have a mental disability.
Look at the number. RAM latency makes a tremendously huge impact on the scores for these metrics. Dozens of people have tested this to verify it. It isn't up for debate.

##1066 10-11-10
CPU Mark This Computer 9230
Prime Numbers This Computer 19.8
Physics This Computer 359.7

##1066 7-7-7
CPU Mark This Computer 9932
Prime Numbers This Computer 25.5
Physics This Computer 413.9

##2000 10-11-10
CPU Mark 10673
Prime Numbers 31.5
Physics 597

>>59054847
I'm not poor.

>>59061384
https://youtu.be/kPaxjsrWT_k?t=5m15s

from there to about 6:14 he talks about down clocking and fucking with his times to match the absolute shit that was in the ryzen pc, he could not make his ram give as shit a result as what was in the ryzen box

so you got 3 options

1) the memory in the ryzen was FAR fucking worse then what they stated
2) something is wrong in the bios
3) amd fucked the memory controller

You got those three options pick one.

>>59055456
>95w 259 dollary doos
>neck and neck with 140w 617 intel

>>59061425
I'm enjoying this attempt at FUD spreading. It's coming across as wonderfully desperate.

>>59061316
5-10% weaker than babbylake.

>>59061425
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/amd-ryzen-summit-ridge-benchmarks-thread-use-new-thread.2482739/page-223#post-38740697

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/amd-ryzen-summit-ridge-benchmarks-thread-use-new-thread.2482739/page-220#post-38738084

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/amd-ryzen-summit-ridge-benchmarks-thread-use-new-thread.2482739/page-219#post-38737655

Stop posting, retard.

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>>59061492
ABSOLUTELY BTFO

>>59061316
Like 5 to 0% weaker depending on the workload.

I want to get an 8 core ryzen CPU, but my 4670 is enough for games and I use my fury X to encode videos

should I do it?

>>59061714
Don't?
Be like a true AMD fan and wait for Zen+

>>59054847
cause its not out you retard

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>>59061714
Are you sure?

>>59061744
I don't play modern games at all, most of them are boring shit/political propaganda bullshit/etc, so yes, it's enough

the rare time I do play a game I prefer to play it in 4k, which is where the CPU is rarely a bottleneck

I want a ryzen CPU, but I don't see the point in getting it

>>59059951
What marketing program?
>''What else are u gonna buy? AMD? lmao''
Thats basically all the marketing Intel needed.

>>59061791
Intel Retail Edge.

I liek mudkips

>>59061800
Post THAT pic. You know which one.

>>59054847
I already spent my budget on an intel platform while AMD dragged ass for 3 months. plus i dont think the skus getting the most attention would have even been factored into the price range I was interested in. i5-7600k should hold me for a while for 1080p gaming.

>>59058943
> and the required server mobo that won't fit in your case
>and the power supply
> and the brands of RAM that may or may not work on your motherboard.

>AMD Ryzen 7 Release
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v44wWAOHn8

>>59062408
Su is one hell of a CEO, but damn she is not very suited to presentations.
Also this video needs its own thread, preferably stickied.

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>>59061823

I'm buying ryzen for my new rig, once I get a job that is.

I want a full AMD rig too, but there's no reason not to mix nvidia with AMD cpus right?

>>59055165
>Ryzen 5 1300 only 30% less performance than the 7700k
That's savage at that price

>no igpu
guess I'm going with intel

>>59062982
Neither does X99, which is what Ryzen competes (and beats the shit out of) with handily.

>>59062982
this, how else I'm going to play GTAV at 24 fps?

>>59062940
>but there's no reason not to mix nvidia with AMD cpus right?
Nope, that's a common misconception¨.

>>59054847
a new CPU and motherboard would cost hundreds of dollars. also i don't care unless gaming performance is significantly better.

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>>59054847

I have i7-6700k.

I hope these turn out great, I own an intel but im happy if theres more close competition as its all good for us.
However. Im not jumping the gun over internal results given out. Until they are on full release and people have had time to test them in real world situations all the results mean fuck all.

>>59059385
canon lake will also work in socket 1151, or at least that's what was promised

>>59055697
What? The benchmarks put it +/- a few % of 390X performance. Similar to the 970 as well.

But it was $250 when the 390X and 970 was $450.

>>59056208
>with water cooler
>still $400 cheaper
top kek

>>59057323
Why are you trying to set fire to your lawn?

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>>59054847
>so /g/ what's your excuse for not buying ryzen?

Because I bought a new, unopened 6700k for 200 Euro from a panicky idiot who fell for the Ryzen meme.
That is less than half of what Ryzen is going to cost here in yuropoorland after VAT and the guaranteed vendor price gouging.

Thanks, AMD!

>>59063832
>having to bullshit random people in a anonymous board to feel better about yourself
must be sad

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They literally pull the same trick with last time. They pretend all we do is 100% x265 encoding. Their single thread performance was only "tested" against 6900k which is only 3.7GHz.

>>59063950

You're right, it was 215 €, not 200. Sorry.
Other than that it actually feels great, senpai. AMD getting competitive again is the best thing that could have happened, I would never shell out 400 for a flagship i7 and now I got one for a sub-i5 price.

>>59064003
LOL @your damage control post

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>>59055115
Daaaaaaaaaaamn anon got blown the fuck out

>>59064104

>>59064104

NEW THREAD

>>59064003
>They literally pull the same trick with last time.
you need more lines in your script, you fucking shill. i already read this shit three times today

>>59054847
Had to buy new mobo+cpu+ram last year because the old mobo crapped and I cant find good one in some old socket. So I got i5 6500. Feels bad. I wont upgrade 1 year old rig. Maybe next year, atleast I can reuse the ram.

>>59056952
DEJA VU I'VE JUST BEEN IN THIS PLACE BEFORE HIGHER CLOCK SPEEDS AND I KNOW IT'S TIME TO RELEASE. CALLING YOU, BENCHMARKS CAUSING YOU MISERY. STANDING ON MY FEET IT'S SO HARD WHEN INTEL SHILLS AT ME. WOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAHHHHHHH.
DEJA VU I'VE JUST BEEN IN THIS TIME BEFORE HIGHER CORE COUNTS, AND I KNOW IT'S A PLACE TO GO. CAllING YOU AND YOUR INTEL LOYALTY IS A MYSTERY. STANDING WITH MY RYZEN IT'S SO BAD WHEN YOU TRY TO SHILL AT ME. YEEEEEAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH.
SEE THE FUTURE OF COMPUTING. SEE INTEL LEAVING IN THE DISTANCE. TRY TO GUESS NOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND AMD BEGINS TO SAY.
DON'T YOU SEE MY IPC, COMPUTERS ARE RUNNING AGAIN. CAN'T YOU SEE NOW, POWER RIGHT IN YOUR BUILD.
DEJA VU I'VE JUST BEEN IN THIS PLACE BEFORE HIGHER CLOCK SPEEDS AND I KNOW IT'S TIME TO RELEASE. CALLING YOU, BENCHMARKS CAUSING YOU MISERY. STANDING ON MY FEET IT'S SO HARD WHEN INTEL SHILLS AT ME. WOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAHHHHHHH.
DEJA VU I'VE JUST BEEN IN THIS TIME BEFORE HIGHER CORE COUNTS, AND I KNOW IT'S A PLACE TO GO. CAllING YOU AND YOUR INTEL LOYALTY IS A MYSTERY. STANDING WITH MY RYZEN IT'S SO BAD WHEN YOU TRY TO SHILL AT ME. YEEEEEAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH.
SEE YOUR BUILD IN THE LED LIGHTS EVEN IF YOU CANCEL YOUR ORDER. ALL THE POWER INTO YOUR RIG, THERE'S A POST IN MY EYES.
DON'T YOU SEE MY IPC, COMPUTERS ARE RUNNING AGAIN. CAN'T YOU SEE NOW, POWER RIGHT IN YOUR BUILD.
DEJA VU I'VE JUST BEEN IN THIS PLACE BEFORE HIGHER CLOCK SPEEDS AND I KNOW IT'S TIME TO RELEASE. CALLING YOU, BENCHMARKS CAUSING YOU MISERY. STANDING ON MY FEET IT'S SO HARD WHEN INTEL SHILLS AT ME. WOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAHHHHHHH.
DEJA VU I'VE JUST BEEN IN THIS TIME BEFORE HIGHER CORE COUNTS, AND I KNOW IT'S A PLACE TO GO. CAllING YOU AND YOUR INTEL LOYALTY IS A MYSTERY. STANDING WITH MY RYZEN IT'S SO BAD WHEN YOU TRY TO SHILL AT ME. YEEEEEAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH.