To the mass surveillance apologists out there - how do you justify

would you not do it if you could?

>>59051379
>you refuse to afford teenagers basic dignity while they're growing up?
Not sure wtf that is supposed to mean, but since I'm not doing anything illegal, I don't care whether the alphabet boys log how many times I was funny cat videos. As long as it helps them catch terrorists/pedo's I'm pretty comfy desu.

>>59051453
>As long as it helps them catch terrorists/pedo's I'm pretty comfy desu.
you are whats wrong with this world

>>59051453

Faggot.

>>59051476
Please explain why it should bother me. Petty insults like these only reinforce the view I already have.

>>59051503
Pedo

>>59051453


You don't understand what "the NSA uses your taxpayer dollars to create and disseminate enormous quantities of child pornography" means?

>>59051518
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety

>>59051536
I know what it means, I also know it's nonsense. Also, child porn is by definition crime evidence, I would expect the NSA to gather as much of it as possible.

>>59051537
>meme quote
Please explain in your own words why anybody should care.

>>59051537
>muh founding fathers

appeal to authority, not an argument my man

>>59051607
deep brah

#thinkdifferent

>>59051580


> I know what it means, I also know it's nonsense.

Nonsense how? One of the early leaks described how the NSA in partnership with the GCHQ were taking periodic snapshots of webcam footage to attach to their digital dossiers. Many, many agents have looked at said screenshots according to the leak.


> Also, child porn is by definition crime evidence, I would expect the NSA to gather as much of it as possible
I agree

I do agree it is by definition crime evidence. But since the NSA is the entity creating and distributing these pictures, the only ones committing crimes are the NSA employees and management.

>>59051712
>webcam snapshots of potential threats are child pornography

Yeah ok bud, did you forget to take your meds this morning?

Why is 4chan full of normalfags, go back to reddi.t you anti freedom jew loving cucks.

>>59051775
>muh freedom

Nobody cares that you watch way too much anime anon, calm your mantits.

>>59051379
The political system has been given too much power over people's lives. Not only that people think governments are responsible for people's safety. If the surveillance state was turned off and there were a terror atack, it would be turned back on and the officials elected or not responsible would face the cost.
You can't have security without surveillance this day so you should demand no security.

>>59051791
Get in the oven kike

>>59051379
I used to charge up devices of everyone I met with RATs, it got old pretty fast. People are boring. You have no idea how much no one gives a shit about your shit. That's why nobody cares, it's literally not an issue.

Idk I think at a point they're going to use ordinary people's data/metadata to frame them for shit they didn't do so I think privacy is important.

>>59051379
>how do you justify it?

How about you tell me why you oppose it, and I'll explain why you're wrong.

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They justify it by being from >>>/v/

>>59051791
Except when an algorithm decides that watching cartoons and being a terrorist relate to each other

But now you will argue that YOU don't watch cartoons so it's ok

>>59051977
That or they're lizard kike shills

>>59051992
>Except when an algorithm decides that watching cartoons and being a terrorist relate to each other
Which doesn't, hasn't and will never happen, sure kiddo.

Remember, the Jews love the NSA for Israel and getting into on their political enemies.

>>59052009
Of course not.
https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/08/government-knocking-doors-because-google-searches/312599/

>>59052009
Jew shills like you already come here arguing there is a direct link between pedophilia and anime.

>>59052024
>the employee searched the terms “pressure cooker bombs” and “backpacks.”

That's not a watching a cartoon is it? Better safe than sorry, did anything really happen besides that one unexpected visit by the heroes in blue? Nope. Such tyranny lad. Give me a break.

>>59052058
>It's a mere coincidence goyim-I mean guy.

>>59052058
>some details don't match so the entire theory is invalid
OK, kid.

>>59051773

Gotta take snapshots of kids masturbating at each other.

For national security.

>Which doesn't, hasn't and will never happen, sure kiddo.

You masturbate to children's cartoons. There isn't much arguing left before Congresspersons Stacey and Chad decide hentai is child porn and go on a crusade to criminalize it.

>>59052084
Loli is illegal in 1 state already.

>>59052110

I'm not just referring to loli (although that's an obvious one).

>>59052035
>there is a direct link between pedophilia and anime
It wouldn't surprise me, in lots of countries drawn pedophilia is already prohibited as well, thank god. Execute every last one of them.

>>59052073
>coincidence
lolwat, no it isn't, it shows the system works, she was searching how to make bombs...

>>59052079
>some details
watching cartoons is innocent, actively searching how to make bombs is not. That's not a detail, it's a completely different story, you mouthbreathing retard.

>>59052084
>take snapshots of kids masturbating
Source please, oh wait, you don't have one of course, typical freetard.

>>59052084
>decide hentai is child porn and go on a crusade to criminalize it.
I wish they would, disgusting pedo's like you should be locked away forever.

>>59052130
>wanting to live in a strongly Authoritarianism government
OK.

>>59052154
>Wanting to live under ISIS rule
OK.

>>59052130

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optic_Nerve_(GCHQ)

Try failing less next time, anon. Better get, go an hero.

>>59052151
But what would we do without Stallman?

:(

>>59052161
Yes, that's what you want apparently. Just with a different name and rules.

>>59052185
He's only into parrots.

>>59051453
>>59051518
>>59052130

There are many, many reasons to be against state surveillance.

I might be doing things that are perfectly legal and yet would deeply embarrass me should they be made public, jeopardizing a potential future in politics.

I might be partaking in (arguably) harmless civil disobedience, which is a vital process by which bogus laws may be overturned.

The state I live under might be abusing its powers in various ways, or even despotic in nature.

Compromising my security for the benefit of the state might inadvertently benefit independent parties, leading to identity theft or actual terrorist threats upon my person.

And most importantly, there is no reason for it, whatsoever.

>>59051791
I'm the one who whether my anime list, manga list, school work, private conversations, nudes or whatever is private or not. Not NSAlphabet. And I choose to not give them access to any of that. If you rather give up your privacy for a false sense of security, go ahead.

>>59052163
>The images were collected in a searchable database, and used for experiments in facial recognition, to monitor known targets, and to discover new targets.
Gee so horrible, they use their power to try and fight crime, how dare they!

>>59052186
Are you really this dense? That """strongly Authoritarianism government""" you talk about is what protects you from ISIS, you massive cuck.

>>59052238
I'm not living in murrika. Have a lot of fun in Trumpistan.

>>59052238


How dare they take pictures of teenage Tommy jerking off at a webcam at teenage Sally rubbing one out?

The NSA needs to periodically take pictures of both of them so analysts can view their cam show.

For national security and law enforcement according to you.

>>59052290
I'm not sure what is funnier: that you need an "explanation" or that you really can't see into the future possibilities.
Enjoy being literally cucked by your government, I guess. And go back to /pol/ where you take everything said literally and can't spot the irony.

>>59052310
Read
>>59052290

Your arguments are made up nonsense and will never convince anybody.

>>59052348
You don't understand much do you kiddo? I just wanted to see if anybody could explain it properly, apparently one guy can. It was fun rustling your jimmies, you can safely go back to fapping to 2d girls now anon.

>>59052238
Yes goy, don't forget to support Israel

>>59052431
>gets BTFO
ha ha you get le trolled
i was only pretending to be a dumbass

>>59052456
master ruse-man detected

>>59052456
>Is still mad about being trolled so easily.
>N-no you d-didn't! You j-jew!

Must be lonely being you.

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>>59052431

>>59052431
>I was only pretending, I'm le epik troll and not a freedom hating cuck.

>>59052500
>I can't comprehend that someone would lie on the internet

You must be new here lad.

>>59052532
And you're so new to not know everyone who says they were just trolling do so to save face.

>>59052547
>No you

I win this argument by default

>>59052560
Go back to re.ddit and tell your friends how you epically trolled 4chan, cuck.

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>>59052532
The point is that we know you did not.

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>>59052573
>>59052579
Ok lads, your tears are delicious, but I have hantai to fap to, if you'll excuse me.

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>>59052602
Yes, keep embarrassing yourself even further! It's fun to watch.

>>59052602
Sure, you're fitting in great reddit-kun.

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>>59052602
you know sometimes talking more makes you look stupid?

this is one of those times

>>59052431

I pointed out evidence to you which you denied for no other reason than you don't like the truth.

Since when are facts nonsense, anon?

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>>59052238
>>Are you really this dense? That """strongly Authoritarianism government""" you talk about is what protects you from ISIS, you massive cuck.

>>59052431
You were only pretending to be retarded?

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>>59052238
So you want an authoritarian government... to protect you from a potential different authoritarian government?

Chasing deluded goatfuckers and imaginary pedos doesn't mean everyone should give up their right to privacy anon.

>>59052547
>>59052573
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>>59052851
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>>59053134

Jesus christ, the guy was a bit of a pretentious douchebag about the whole thing, but his point stands. If you can't properly explain why the surveillance state is bad you should just stfu.

>>59052218

Is the only post ITT that makes sense. The rest of you faggots, including the troll, I'm ashamed to be sharing this board with you.

>>59053213

Are you telling me that "taxpayer-funded creation and dissemination of enormous quantities of child pornography" is not bad?

What kind of drugs are you on, anon?

>>59053583
>creation and dissemination of enormous quantities of child pornography

Such drivel. I hate the surveillance state as much as anybody, but there are valid reasons to hate it, see >>59052218, there is no need to make up shit. It's the sort of thing cointelpro would do to make our side look bad. Stop it.

>>59051453
>catch terrorists/pedo's
the government can change the definition or the interpretation of a terrorist/pedo to target anyone a la 1984

>>59053914

I am not making up shit.

We know once every 30 minutes a snapshot is taken off webcam footage.

We also know teens have hormones and it's not all that uncommon for them to send each other nudes.

Is it that much of a leap to assume they do webcam shows for each other over a medium that the NSA and GCHQ takes snapshots of?

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>>59054025
I wonder if some sicko there has technology implemented to recognize and filter young girls from all the data

>>59054025
>Is it that much of a leap to assume they do webcam shows for each other over a medium that the NSA and GCHQ takes snapshots of?

No, it's a leap to then call that 'creation and dissemination of enormous quantities of child pornography'. Don't get me wrong, it's absolutely horrible that they even have the power to take snapshots without a specific court order, as that article suggests. But painting it as if they are willingly producing child pornography is completely and utterly retarded. If you can't see the difference, there is no hope for you. I honestly believe you, undoubtedly well intentioned, are making the good side look bad by spouting shit like this. That is all.

>>59052110
Oh, and in the UK and Canada.

>>59054144
How can you be so sure that they are the "good side"?

>>59054188
The good side is subjective, I'm on that particular side, so it is the good one, from my point of view.

>>59054144


I'm not saying creation and dissemination of child pornography is the purpose of their webcam mass surveillance program. Rather, it's an undesirable (albeit wholly predictable) consequence of webcam mass surveillance.

The dissemination part is between the NSA and GCHQ.

> I honestly believe you, undoubtedly well intentioned, are making the good side look bad by spouting shit like this. That is all.

My post was meant to present a simple, emotional argument to counter the foundationally dishonest "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear" bullcrap spooks and LEOs chant in defense of mass surveillance.