> they unilaterally don't use the latest KDE Plasma Desktop

>>59013821
But I already do. Waiting for KDE 5.9 to hit the stable line

>>59013821
>Virtualbox
Does it feel good to lie about what OS you use?

>>59013821
KDE is for ugly people.

I hate Linux now so I'm gonna remove KDE soon.

It's gonna run like shit on this laptop here. I need domething lightweight like xfce.

>>59013821
KDE is the best DE. I love it and look very much forward to 5.9. Shame you put a virtualbox image on your threat though.

>>59013821
>VirtualBox
fuck off Lennart

KDE is for people with taste.

>>59013821
HiDPI scaling is still shit, and my 4k monitor is too small to use unscaled.

>>59014347
Except without.

>>59014168
>literally using it
>>you're not using it
you are a moronic shit
go google the no good scotsman

>>59014331
>no good scotsman

>>59014366
Are you literally stupid? QML *and other similar technologies are designed especially for good scaling.
Jesus fucking christ, how stupid are you literally.
That's exactly why it was developed.

Pantheon and Enlightenment are better

>>59014525
>living in the dark ages
say hi to 1992

>>59013821
Sorry, using superior Budgie

>>59014542
Budgie will switch to Qt and be a clone of Plasma soon... Have a look yourself: https://github.com/budgie-desktop/budgie-desktop/issues/763

>>59014580
Budgie Qt will not be using KDE libs

>>59014628
I know.

>>59014654
They why you imply it will be clone of plasma?

>>59014671
It looks the same and is based off Qt.

>>59013821
>the best clone of XAML and WPF there is
If that was true, that would be an argument against it.

>>59014694
Luckily it isn't

>>59014682
Those mockups you refer to are exactly the same as budgie works / looks right know. No idea what you are talking about. Also being based on Qt does not make you kde. Budgie will still use gnome application for instance. No dolphin, no arc, no amarok.

>>59014694
>>59014698
You are moronic shits. QML was released precisely as a response to XAML a year after it. It is the future of anything GUI.

>>59014703
It's a response to XAML, but not anything like XAML.

XML is a really crappy file format.

>>59014721
> blah blah blah, I hate Micro$$oft.
whatever spergstation.

>>59014703
see >>59014721, retard

>>59014726
He is partially right. XAML architecture (MVVM) is based on louse coupling between data and the interface (using bindings) and severely lacks when it comes to creating visually attractive and interactive interfaces. Never used QML but can say that XAML is certainly a technology focused on rapid development of generic UIs and works only in business scenarios or on mobile where you are supposed to reuse same platform components over and over.

Every single time I've used kde, something ends up crashing or not working properly.

>>59014766
You literally know nothing. WPF in general has so much development on it that Qt Quick is practically like the pre-alpha version of the pre-alpha version of the alpha version of WPF.
Literally.

>>59014801
I am literally a XAML developer so I know something. Also I stated quite precisely why XAML sucks and you are just repeating "literally"

>>59014794
Because most autistic sperglords are trapped into their flamewars about what GNOME version to use or what minimal version of other Window Manager to use and they don't realize that they are trapped in the dark ages of the 1990s, killing KDE, the only environment that actually does something modern since the beginning.

>>59014828
>but can say that XAML is certainly a technology focused on rapid development of generic UIs and works only in business scenarios or on mobile where you are supposed to reuse same platform components
There is literally nothing negative about.
That was purely a positive.

>>59014844
Well there is because iOS that uses cocoa which has very tight coupling between UI and the rest of the Application was always delivering best interface and user experience leaving lagdroid and windows 0.10% behind. Also all business software is universally known for having shit interface. WPF and XAML are great when you want to make interface cheap, not when you want to do it well.

>>59014861
I really don't believe that. It's "cheap" because Visual Studio is fucking amazing. Qt Creators is just practically useless compared to it.
There is nothing in Qt that can't be done fast and "Cheap" if it had better tools.
It just isn't developed.

They've fucked up KDM for shitty SDDM. Can't fukken use this shit.

>>59014962
Keep living in the dark ages. SDDM is the future. It uses QML.

>>59014962
Just use LightDM.

>>59014979
+++

>>59014951
Then browse windows store and look at all those marvels of interface design. Good looking and well designed WPF/XAML applications can be counted on fingers in one hand. There are countless examples of nice Qt applications. We don't need to be all theoretic, just look at the results. Microsoft is just leaving the dark ages with neon, and those are still just mockups. Laughable

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>>59014248
>>59014440
KDE looks great. What are you on about?

>>59014997
Great theme installing skills, shame it still looks garbage. I like those icons in music player the most. I don't feel at home if I don't have 64px+ iconography visible to me at any given point.

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>>59015015

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>>59015015

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>>59015015
>Great theme installing skills, shame it still looks garbage.
How does it look like garbage? Sorry, I'm not using i3. Take a look at:
>>59015047

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>>59015061

I have a problem with updating Antergos KDE. Plasma 5.9 is in the stable branch, but kdeinit5 broke the whole system even when I tried to update to 5.8.5. Luckily, I've made a backup with TimeShift earlier. Is there a way of backing up system settings and installed software instead of a snapshot, which I could restore on a freshly installed OS? Because that's the only option in my situation it seems.

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>>59015061
>Look at music player
>All grey with content on white in strange boxes
>At least 5 different icon sizes in one window
>Scroll bars in their own boxes of white
>Icons are also grey
>That volume control
>that blurred "i" right next to it
>Look at Firefox next to it
>Pocket is still there
>Pull eject leaver

>>59013821
I'm sorry but I don't use software developed by FURRIES

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>>59015094
+++

>>59015094
That's not mine though. These are mine:
>>59015047
>>59015061
>>59015069
Can you help me with this perhaps?
>>59015076

>>59015112
I'm not going to go through your shit because you crop interface from screenshots. Git gud and give us a beauty shot of your whole shitty desktop.

>>59014969
What the fuuk is the profit, you, delusional faggot? They broke the things thst worked well, but did not create the replacement. But shure its new and shiny.

>>59015128
>I'm not going to go through your shit because you crop interface from screenshots. Git gud and give us a beauty shot of your whole shitty desktop.
Sure. Want my home address and phone number too?

>>59015138
>I'll upload the screenshot of kde where mongolian smoke signaling board takes 95% of the space
>KDE looks great guys!
>No I can't show more because muh privacy

>>59015167
Given that you're so progressive and don't care about anything, post at least a single screenshot then. I'll wait. At the meantime, take a look at this:
https://youtu.be/6KFz9WRRNpk

>>59015194
>you're so progressive
lel?
>don't care about anything
Oh kill me
>post at least a single screenshot then
Of what?

Listen here sperg. You came and stated that KDE does not look like vomit. All I am asking for is for you to prove it. You made a statement so you prove it, not me.

KDE has always been inconsistent
I am actually surprised it isn't more buggy than it already is
The codebase is too fucking big for the amount of developers working on it. (no, translators and one line wonders don't count as developers)

>>59013821
>tfw still waiting for a useable LXQT

>>59015282
Budgie QT will arrive before it and considering who is writing it then you can safely assume it will deliver in terms on functionality and performance.

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>>59013821
it's time to post desktops

>>59015209
>you're so progressive
>don't care about anything
I don't think you've heard of satire before, have you?
>post at least a single screenshot then
>Of what?
Of your perfect desktop environment.
>Listen here sperg. You came and stated that KDE does not look like vomit. All I am asking for is for you to prove it. You made a statement so you prove it, not me.
I've posted 4 screenshots so far. Please don't tell me that Plasma 4 is the best desktop environment known to man.

>>59015401
>I don't think you've heard of satire before, have you?
Great execution. You are doing fantastic.
>Of your perfect desktop environment.
Why the fuck would I even bother. This is a thread about KDE
>I've posted 4 screenshots so far
Of single applications that you cropped.

>>59015427
>Of your perfect desktop environment.
>Why the fuck would I even bother. This is a thread about KDE
And where do we get like this?

>>59015440
We go back towards undeniable truth that is the fact of KDE looking garbage. Until you provide profs of it being otherwise. Now if you excuse me I'll occupy my time with dick fondling while I look at my tray icons which are all in one color.

>>59014520

>qml
>a language has anything to do with widgets and scaling

No, you are the stupid one here. Qt, the toolkit, does the scaling, not the language you might write some parts of the UI in.

>>59014993
That doesn't prove anything. The Microsoft store is dead. The power of Windows is 99% on pure full blown Desktop applications.

>>59014997
They have now idea how good looking the new QML design looks by default.

>>59015015
You are an autistic sperglord. KDE has changed. It's now by default QML.

>>59015094
You are trolling. The QML design of KDE is still at its baby steps and already it looks fucking amazing.
If the autistic sperglords weren't locking themselves into 1992 designs, progress would be faster.

>>59015096
>Literally 99% of the future of GUI design is scalable design for all devices with QML or XAML etc.
>For furries

>>59014145
What distro are you using?

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>>59014501
>go google the no good scotsman

I know what you mean to say, which is 'go google "no good scotsman" '

But you said to google *the* no good scotsman, which suggest that there's just one particular scotsman chav you're talking about.

Thank you for the chuckle.

>>59015130
You are a stupid shit. The only future is scalable design for all devices. Keep living in 1992 with unscalable GUI frameworks that look like utter shit unless the developer is only designing for 1 size for 10 years.

>virtualbox

OP please

>>59016547
Don't reply to my posts before fully reading and comprehending them ever again.

>>59015218
KDE has always been the future. The problem is that the Open Source world has been contaminated from the start with the cancer of extreme traditionalism("le UNIX tradition" meme) and extreme minimalism("le console" meme). As a result, the future of KDE has been contaminated by those sperglords by shilling new users away from it and into GUI technologies from 1991.

>>59014801
>Qt Quick is practically like the pre-alpha version of the pre-alpha version of the alpha version of WPF. Literally.
DESIGNATED EVANGELISM

>>59013821
>ugly, buggy, inefficient, dysfunctional, bloated garbage
>the future
I weep every time because it's a fact that this is the future.

>>59016501
What makes an app a full blown desktop app?

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

>>59015671
Don't be mentally challenged. The core of the actual scaling is via the window server itself, with technology from the 1970s, sure. The problem is, without leaving behind the technologies from 1991 and onto QML or XAML or similar, the actual high level developer can't actually do it robustly, properly or within a reasonable amount of time.

>>59016553
le kek

>>59016577
>Implying I don't run both Linux and Windows on VMs from inside OpenBSD for extra spergstation security.

>>59016632
POO IN THE LOO my brother

>>59016637
Maybe if the autistic sperglords weren't locking themselves into GUI frameworks from 1991 for their "le console-only UNIX tradition" meme and the "le minimalism of 8MB RAM-use on my 32GB-RAM computer" meme, we'd have more people working on actual scalable GUI designs like QML's that would make Linux get out of the cesspool.

>>59016643
I meant all the obvious powerful application like Adobe's programs or Autodesk's or even Office. The power of Windows is still there, it's definitely not on apps, really almost no dev cares.

>>59016765
QML is the cancer that is killing graphical applications. It's exactly that kind of garbage that make people stay away from GUI programs and keep to CLI programs that are function-first and whose interface is extremely efficient to get actual work done.

>>59016779
You are a stupid shit that didn't include a single argument in that sentence. Keep living in the 1992. The rest of the world has moved on to scalable design and it's one of the reasons that the linux desktop is dead, disrespect to the only manager that actually cared for progress from the start, KDE, only to be killed by the memester sperglords shilling new users away from it, including new prospective developers of it.

>>59016776
Too bad Microsoft will try to bundle their "cloud" OS on new devices to make normies to buy from their store.

>>59016802
Keep reducing everyone's productivity, I'm sure your salary makes it all worth it. I'll be over here working in a productive environment and changing the world as a result rather than wasting my time fighting garbage interfaces.

>>59016734
Yeah, Microsoft's telemarketing has been pretty nasty lately.

>>59016852
BS. They tried that and failed already. And it's not even an MS meme, it's a fucking Google meme and everyone knows it.
The WEB is fucking great for very basic stuff.
But fuck Google, it can't replace NATIVE.

>>59016859
>memememememememe
>It's all about me
You stupid shit, not everyone runs your setup, which is why Linux is almost dead on desktop.

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>>59016883
>BS
Are you sure?
http://gadgets.ndtv.com/laptops/news/windows-10-cloud-early-build-leaked-may-only-run-uwp-apps-from-windows-store-1656438

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Because Cinnamon is just easier and gets out of my way.

>>59016714
>Virtual box
>Requires nonfree build tool chain to build
>Secure
>Not using bhyve or whatever meme bullshit hypervisor openbsd had.

>>59016776
What the fuck are you even saying?

Powerful in what way?
What makes your "powerful" apps any more or less powerful that whatever WinRT bullshit you're bitching about?

>>59017330

>cinnamon

GTK cuck!

>>59016859
This.

I just wish these shitters would well document their APIs along with their guis so you could actually script some of these shitty "ENTERPRISE" tools

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wake me up when this gets ported from KDE4.

>>59018468
You mean being able to use Wacom tablets, or just being able to have that settings interface?

Cause the wacom stylus on my X220T works fine with KDE5

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I just switched to Cinnamon. I do miss some things about KDE but it is nice to be back on a GTK De that just works.

Using KDE on desktop right now. Unfortunately, it is missing a lot of features that are already in GNOME3:
>good touch screen support
>fast scrolling in menus
>wayland
>full Overview/Command Center effect

Also other problems:
>global menu is still halfassed
>fragmentation between "icon only taskbar" and normal taskbar
>tons of other shit I need to file on their bugzilla

>>59018925
if you need the configuration some kind of gui is a must ,and kde one was frigging awesome, literally best of all DEs and they dropped it like their mom dropped them after birth. Messing around with xsetwacom sucks serious balls.

>>59013821
Floating windows are a thing from the past.

Tiling is the future, grandpa.

>>59017236
Literally nobody uses Edge. Are you trolling or just being stupid. Choose.
This is a browser feature only.
It's an app feature.

>>59017342
> Implying the VirtualBox doesn't run inside the Windows 10 that runs inside the NetBSD that runs inside the FreeBSD that runs inside the OpenBSD.

>>59017356
Don't be stupid. All modern Desktop software for Windows at least from Microsoft is built on XAML. Even Visual Studio itself.
It does not have to be a shitty app.
KDE does the right thing.

>>59018925
the GUI to configure tablets. I'm not smart enough to use terminal for that.

>>59019599
Tiling is only a phone meme for tiny screens. The resizing and scalability is what's needed. Not the ephemeral memes that apply to 1 screen size, in that case small.

>>59019734
There is no reason to have floating windows in the year of the lord 2017.

From the normiest of normie, who only browses facebook to the most hardcore user tiling is superior.
Although some exceptions have to be made, e.g. small sub windows to choose files and change settings, there tiling makes sense.

>>59019769
The irony is the best tiling is done on desktop UIs or at least native UIs, HTML5 tends to be generally slow as shit or generally inconsistent. I saw tiling on XAML on Visual Studio and it was amazing, with full blown algorithmic animations.

>>59013821
Cinnamon is sharp and comfy.

>>59019810
Cinnamon runs a lot of QML code too.
Dunno if it's a core feature though.

>>59019810
Mint and Cinnamon are the Windows of distros/DEs.
People who don't like it say it's a mess underneath, but it works and is the most usable out of all.

>>59020002
It's boring as shit. Seriously, it's like running a Windows 7 SP1. Sure it works well, but it's 8 years old at least.

Idk, gnome is nice

>>59020042
>but it's 8 years old at least.
It has virtual desktops, quarter snapping, fully customisable shortcuts, win+tab exposé, media player integration and audio output switching from the sound options in the tray etc. etc.
For a long time before Windows 10 came out, so if anything it took Windows years to catch up.

>>59019633
>Literally nobody uses Edge. Are you trolling or just being stupid. Choose.
Did you ignored the link completely?

>>59019633
>Literally nobody uses Edge
Edge is literally the best web browser to use on a laptop.
Everything else eats up a lot more power than Edge. Not even joking.

>>59020095
Almost everything of that is 1995 ideas that were implemented in 1998 first. Linux has got meme cancer from the minimalists and the traditionalist sperglords that want to run console apps with 8MB RAM usage on their 32GB RAM PCs. They have killed KDE with redirecting new developers away from it and into stagnating technologies like GNOME 2.x (Cinnamon).

>>59020140
Chrome is great on anything I've seen it on. Sperglords here don't understand how the memory management works. When a tab opens up, it does not mean a new chrome ate all their RAM and made them slow.
It's literally faster to the end user to get a new Chrome instance.

>>59020156
And pointing and clicking has been around since the 1960s, so what?
Some ideas work better than others, just because something is newer doesn't mean it's better (fucking Unity or Gnome 3 for example).
It took Windows way too long to catch up to the supposednly stagnating technologies. In fact it still has catching up to do, there's still duplication of the new settings and the old control panel.

>>59020178
Not talking about RAM though, Edge forces h264 in youtube, it hibernates tabs you're not using, hell it will even suspend itself if you minimize it.
If anything it's sluggish compared to Chrome, but all of this makes a noticeable difference in your battery life, Edge is why I put up with 10 on my laptop.

>>59020042
>it's like running a Windows 7 SP1
so comfy as fug?

Loonix users fight all day about what caused it to not be better on the desktop. That's what caused it, not using the latest technologies like KDE's. They prefer to blame Microsoft or others like Apple for their failure.
If they were so good they would be used

>>59020312
If your life is dead.

>>59019711
WTF?

What are you even saying anymore.

You literally are not making any sense.

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>>59017330
Theme? Icons?

>>59020344
Go learn what XAML and QML are first.
You use deprecated old shit.
KDE is the only right WM.

Using Manjaro with KDE for over a year now.

>>59020393
Arch has a fucking fork? Jesus fucking I'm impressed. I didn't know that piece of shit distro has capable to be forked.
It's literally one of those, "I can't be arsed to actually make a distro, I'll make it almost LFS and call it "power to users"".

>>59020528
It's not so much a fork as they just delay updates for two weeks or so.
Also it's hardly LFS. You get a repository full of precompiled packages. They just don't pretend to know which packages you actually need so you'll have to decide for yourself.

>>59013821
Does Wayland already work ?
Last I heard updates borked all QT applications this was roughly 2 weeks ago.

>>59021127
I don't think Wayland is required.

>>59021556
It isn't required but would be nice to use it since X is a piece of shit.

>>59014997
Pls explain how I can make my KDE look like that. I love the DE but I can't make it look nice

>>59013821
>> they unilaterally don't use the latest KDE Plasma Desktop
Because that implies you're suffering through Linux.

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>>59021127
It works but its still terrible af. Wrong shadows (or no decoration around toolkit widgets at all lol), glitches everywhere, terrible fps because zero hardware acceleration provided.
And trying to maximize any non-qt window or make video stream or game in fullscreen is just literal suicide.
Just stick to the X for next >2 years. Only gnome shell is wayland-ready for today.

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On a side note, y'all can't even full-word trip. Pathetic!

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>>59023635
Hm, seems 4pleb's trip interpretation is broken whereas 8master is correct.

>>59014501
>>59014501
>no good scotsman
Waiting for you to realize that baiting 4chan is a waist of time.

>>59022359
That sucks, but hopefully they will invest more in the Wayland version since X is ready for the dumpster.

>>59013821
Fine and dandy if you have at least a dual core CPU at 2.5GHz and 6-8GB of RAM. If not, then KDE is laggy, unusable piece of shit. I prefer Cinnamon.

>>59023635
>>59023675
>On a side note, y'all can't even full-word trip. Pathetic!
Because trips are for ID not C00L 3dGy signatures. Stop being a faggot

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I do.

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IS this the KDE desktop thread?

>>59020372
Theme is Windows 10
Icons came with Antergos and are Numix square light.