AMD Ryzen X370 & B350 Asus Motherboard Prices Leaked –

>>58928628
That's really cheap AMD wins!

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>>58928628

The price on USA dollar

>>58928699
Wait can I OC on B350?

>>58928714
Yes but remember we have no info about what phasing solution they have and how well the motherboards hold with overclocking. It could be same gimping AMD did with the AM3 line up where people raved about the 970Chipset and it was totally shit for overclocking and causing housefires. So wait and see.

>>58928699
>asus
i'll be waiting for based asrock to make inexpensive boards with decent power delivery

>>58928714
Yes.

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>>58928699

>Asus dirt cheap motherboard price

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?

>>58928724
>>58928726
Guess we'll have to see then, be good if I can OC. It is only 65w TDP for the one I want too so I doubt its gonna run that hot.

>>58928743
No Jewtel chipset

>>58928752
Yeah of course but even if it won't "technically run hot". We have no idea if they gimp the phasing and cooling solution and other components on the motherboards.
So can only wait and see.

>>58928769

Seriously?

I didn't know chipset cost so much.

>>58928789
Intel are the only ones making chipsets for Intel processors so they can charge whatever they want.

Used to be different when there were third party chipsets. Also with AMD because they aren't Jews.

>>58928769

By this logic other AMD Ryzen brand mobo like Biostar will only price at $15.

>>58928789
Chipsets go from $20 to $50

>>58928812
More like 50$ for the low end ones.

Meanwhile at Intel you have to pay more for a B250 board than for the Pentium G4560. And with H110 you'll never know if it supports Kaby out of the box.

Chipsets on AM4 boards are made by ASSmedia, which equals to poor USB and SATA performance when compared to Intel chipsets.

>>58928863
Wasn't the chipset integrated into the cpu?

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My previous two motherboards are Asus, I don't know if I should go with a different brand, I always seem to have a power problems with asus, and sometimes when I put my computer to sleep mode, it never wakes up, not entirely sure if it's the mobo's fault or not.

>>58928898
NB yes, but mobo's shipping with *insert-your-chipset-here* should tell you something.

>>58928898
Only part of it, mainly the latency critical I/O.
The rest goes on the motherboard.

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WHERE THE MINI ITX AT

>>58928699
Cheap motherboards wow.

Ryzen 1700 + B350 should be enough for me.

Fuuuuuuuuuuck, AMD wins!

>>58928628
>listings are for the Australian market
so it's 40% cheaper for the rest of the world?

Any news on ITX boards?
ATX is obsolete

>>58928965
>tfw I have some spare money
>I can now build a mini-itx aside from my main comp
>Cheaper Ryzen / MB
Looking great famalam

if i'm going to build a pc, is it worth holding off until ryzen releases?

>>58929544
>ATX is obsolete
the fuck are you on about?

>>58929709
Yes

>>58929709
Yes, potentially it will be better than Intel's cpu's, and be cheaper.

If you want to play safe and see how Zen fairs, I'd wait.

hory shet
finally I'll upgrade from my homeless tier c2d setup

>>58929767
We hope it will be as good, reality & history unfortunately lean heavily in the direction of itll suck balls.
Id just buy the pc now anon.

I 'like' the idea of a low wattage cpu done on a smaller node doing the same work as a larger node cpu at the same wattage,. I also like the idea of low wattage cpus. Would like to see comparisons to the low wattage cpus,along with the 'fastest' cpus when they come out.
Interesting to see if in actuality the smaller node electronics uses less wattage than the larger nodes. They are getting pretty small
.

>>58929901
thanks for your contribution mister intel marketer, but you are too obvious

>>58929892
are you me?
still running E4500 here

First of all, I want to see micro-ATX boards.

And they better not be more expensive than the Intel counterpart.

this is pretty good news, if Zen++ is going to be as great as this I might be building a full AMD machine in 2020

I hope they keep their game on for the years to come

>>58929941
I wish I was a marketer for intel. Im afraid I am not. Merely pointing out the truth instead of posting blinkered bollocks like you always do.

>>58929287
~30% less for usd, 10% less for sales tax (gst)

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>>58928628
>20$ less than their Intel counterparts
INTELFAGS BTFO

>>58929985
>implying there's anything wrong with waiting 2 weeks

unless your life depends on a new pc, those 2 weeks can save you a lot of money

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>>58930071
oh here comes poor pajeet again

>>58930083
>actually believing amd have finally pulled off a masterstroke and produced a cpu that can go toe to toe with the intels.

>>58930109
God forbid you wait those 2 weeks to see for yourself you have to BUY INTEL NOW!!!

>>58929985
amd made 1 "bad" arch, intel has made 3 bad ones in that same time frame they they outright killed and are riding the coattails of the pentium III so... track record goes to amd here, as shitty as bulldozer is, they did fairly good with its newer iterations.

>>58930109
jim keller has yet to make a single bad cpu.
I don't so much trust amd, as I fully trust him.

>>58928769
>>58928789
>>58928824
what the fuck is even in a modern chipset that most consumers will care about?

with the advent of on-die PCIe controllers and NMVe drives, is it just for a handful of SATA and USB ports?

I want to throw my FX 6100 into the thrash and get the 1700x/1800x and build a good workstation for minimal bucks. Does anybody know what's the difference between the 1800x and 1700x beside 200mhz clock difference? Does it have more lanes?

x300 where? Does anybody care?

>>58930510
The only difference is better binning.

>>58930491
well, it looks like 10 usb 3.1 gen1 2 sub 3.1 gen2 and 6usb2 ports

along with 8 pcie 2 and possibly 8 pcie 3, as i think there are only 16 pcie3 on cpu

>>58928628
Yeah but how many chokes around the CPU socket?

Needs more phases!

>>58930532
what for if x370 is less than $200?

>>58930510
binning, base clock, boost clock

Im getting an 1800x based on the fact I have had my cpu for 7 years, may as well get the best one if im likely going to keep it for just as long and its in the same price range, but if there is next to no difference between a 1700x and 1800x i may go 1700x

>>58930568
> SATA, USB, and PCIe 2.0 x8

fuck, AMD should've gone the Xeon-D route and just gone full SoC.

>>58930575
Does x370 do itx?

>>58930618
cost more per cpu and be useless when mcming, they did the right thing by doing it as minimal as possible and offloading some of the shit to a chipset.

>>58930651
who the actual fuck cares, get a real computer case for fuck sake and not your god damn toy.

I have no brand loyalty I just buy whichever board has an EK full cover block first

>>58930661
I already have a work machine. I want the toy. I want to stuff a large meaty graphic card and nhd15 on an itx board like the madlads.

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>>58928628

Finally, ASUS has their design flair back on track

That 12 phase audio gaymen mark-up though, no dual-NICs

>>58928628
>>58928699
How should I choose which motherboard I should get for my next build? Does it really matter if I'm unsure if I'm gonna be going down the crossfire road? Though if what >>58928699's image says is true and the B350-Plus is one of the mobos pictured with more than one PCIe slot then I'll be golden anyway, right? I'm gonna be getting a 1600X and RX480 if that matters.

>>58930770
It doesn't really matter, unless you want to do crossfire, which is still a meme at this point. Just get the mobo which has whatever ports you need

>>58930618
>>58930661
There's enough on die for laptops and mini PC which is probably where they aimed it as a soc. Obviously those two markets are more for raven ridge. It gets better on nipples chips as they expose everything, giving 128 pcie and 8sata to each socket natively.

I'm just hoping there are reasonably priced b350 boards with decent (not great) power delivery, I only want a 4ghz 8core.

>>58930826
Nice one, thanks man.

>>58930669
How much does watercooling your mainboard actually help while overclocking?

Enjoy 2010 tier Intel specs.

>>58930661
>cost more per cpu and be useless when mcming, they did the right thing by doing it as minimal as possible and offloading some of the shit to a chipset.

This. Naples MCM sockets will each have 8 DDR4 controllers and 128 PCIe lanes for NVMe and will not be fucking around with SATA or USB.

A 4c SoC variant with on-die 10GbE and 6+ (10-12 ideally) SATA ports would be a fiendish NAS CPU though.

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>>58928628
Wheres them ITX at, i need the loli board in my PC.

>>58930868

At least AMD is less susceptible to have integrated NSA backdoors designed for all lakes.

>>58930957
Biostar and ASRock have plans made up for a few, but I'm not sure if they have been made yet. Other vendors have nothing at the moment, they seem to be waiting and seeing the reception to Ryzen. Could be summer till the dust settles and we see good ITX boards.

>>58930088

>Why can you pay less for more when you can pay MORE for less

wat

>>58930868
Ryzen is 2014 intel specs (IPC) which happen to be really close to 2016 intel specs (IPC)

>>58931202

Minimalism, the phrasing is ambiguous. More isn't always better nor correlated to price.

>>58930859
Can't tell you in detail. I just remember the phases getting hot on a Z77 board and the fluid getting warmer when I added them to my loop.
I took that as confirmation that it does something. Going by the size of the heatsink that block replaced, it's something to care about.
But wether it helps stability or simply keeps them from blowing up I don't even know.

If this X370-Pro has as abysmal VRM configuration as the H270 counterpart, then the Crosshair with it's gaymingesque design will be the only board with decent VRM (confirmed by the you-know-who AMD tourtoise on certain forums) available at launch.

Damn Asus, bring a mATX board similar to X99-M WS or like the best p67/z68 pro and deluxe like boards.

>>58929970
Same here. A B350 mATX with good VRM cooling would be perfect for a 1600X or a 1700X. I guess the X370 chipset would be the one to get for really high OC on the 1800X or the extra m.2, SLI or SATA capabilities.

>>58928699
Which one of these is enough to have me set for gaming for the next couple of years? B350-PLUS?

>>58928628
>$100+ for a B150 competitor
>$380 for a fucking Z270 competitor
AMD is fucking done

>>58930651
No, there is a special "chipset" for ITX boards, which might not be chipsets at all since the additional PCIe lanes go to waste on an ITX board

>>58932384
That's an aussie burgers man.

>>58932416
I guess I will stick with Intel this year if AMD is not willing to make SFF chipsets. Especially since that's the direction that desktop PC is heading towards. Who the hell want a big ugly tower when you can have a SFF PC hidden behind your monitor.

The only ITX leak so far was a Biostar board. x300 is the ITX "chipset"

>>58932518
Tell me the truth, is Biostar still shit?

>>58932516
How much ITX boards did Skylake have 2 weeks before launch?

>>58932534
Kabylake had 12 in h270 and z270 at launch.

>>58932559
Kabylake is skylake with worse temps, anything that works on Skylake works on Kaby, I'm asking how much did Skylake at launch have?

>>58932568
Skylake is two fucking years ago, why won't you talk about Intel's latest launch? What type of autism am I talkin to here?

>>58932592
Because Skylake is FUCKING Kabylake, half of the new motherboards are recycled from the last launch, a year was more than enough time to make some ITX boards.

>>58932609
Kabylake is 15% on average faster than their Skylake counterpart. You understand Intel's tick-tock-optimization progression?

>>58932620
Kaby is NOT 15% higher performance. Absolutely not.

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>>58932620

>>58930568
They have 24x pcie lanes on die. More can be added through a external chipsets though most people wont need them..

>>58932620
laughed a little

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>>58932620
>Kabylake is 15% on average faster than their Skylake

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>>58932620
>Kabylake is 15% on average faster than their Skylake counterpart.

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>>58932620

>>58932620
so the real intel shills do exist
next will be proven backdoors a real thing

>>58932958
>what is Intel Management Engine

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>>58932620

>>58933015
its documented though

>>58932620
>Intel's tick-tock-optimization
It's actually tick-tock-tock-tock
Coffee lake is 14nm

>>58933431
And Zen/+/++ will be 14nm for at least another three years. What's your point?

>>58933474
>And Zen/+/++ will be 14nm for at least another three years.
No, it'll be Zen until Zen+ with 7nm arrives. They are not going for Intel meme marketing with """""""""""""""""""generation""""""""""""""""""" of 1% IPC increase.

>>58933474
The point was Tick-tock-optimization is now Tick-tock-tock-tock
so that's what i wrote on my computer
and that's what i posted
how did this point confuse you?

>>58933519
Um, no. Zen+ is going to be an architectural improvement of Zen aimed at higher clock frequencies and better optimizations. Zen++ will be another optimization before 7nm becomes ready.

>>58933535
I'm not the guy you responded to.

>>58932620
Intel is on their new tock-tock-panic progression now

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>>58933606
The good news about the intel panic is that they are switching to a hyperthreading for everyone and MORE CORES platform.

Zen+ is next year and is 14nm still, Zen++ is likely to be 7nm or even still 14nm but that really doesn't matter too much, AMD can live without a smaller node because they actually have an architecture that has breathing room for optimization, Intel doesn't so shrinking is much more important to them.

>>58933652
>by 100%
Considering their current market share it's pessimistic as fuck.

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Can't wait to be bullied by /g/ for buying 6700k year ago.

>>58933694
Hey, at least your 1070 is not from EVGA.

>>58933692
Going from 15% to 30% in a year would be fucking fantastic.
Even getting 10% of the enterprise/business market would be a major increase in revenue and likely AMD's first 100M+ net profit quarter in years.

>>58933606
Must be why Intel is able to push Ryzen's shit in on pure clock speed alone.

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>>58933722
That reminds me of something. Hmm.

>>58933722
Kindly point to me a Intel chip with 8 cores at anywhere close to the 1800X clockspeed.
Nightmare mode: at 95W TDP

>>58933740
Kaby Lake, retard. Plus, Kaby Lake-X will carry most of its architecture intact over to the new LGA2066 socket, but offer more expansion options and features than Zen or Zen+ could offer on its shitty AM4 socket.

>>58933775
There's no 8 core Kaby Lake you fool.

>>58933788
Moar cores doesn't mean better Pajeet.

>>58933788
That's for a reason. Kaby is a housefire as it is. Intel could of course start using decent cooling components but nah fuck that, can't afford losing $5 extra.

>>58933808
Nice argument you got there pal.

>>58933808
Not an answer to the question and the topic you started.
Try again.

>>58933825
Same goes for you, Pajeet.

>>58933835
>le poo in the loo meme
This is not /int/.

>>58933788
There is a quad-core Kaby Lake-X, you idiot.

>>58933909
how is quad core equal to octa core again?
especially since they both have SMT?
now you go back to Intel Aviv and tell them to send someone competent next time.

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Given that the only good AM3+ boards were from asus (especially the boards capable of handling a 9590) i'm going to be all over the new crosshair hero. I've got an air cooler capable of handling north of 200w and by Keller i'm going to push 8c/16t ryzen to whatever limit I slam headfirst into.

I'd rather Zen is 50% more efficient than Intel but 10% slower than the same speed per clock and 20% more efficient.

AMD needs money, and enterprise wants efficiency above all else.
AMD and Intel gets more money from enterprise, gaymur faggots can wait another year.

>>58934008
Well, they pulled every trick possible to make Zen their best arch to date. We have just to wait and see.

>>58934023
>Well, they pulled every trick possible to make Zen their best arch to date
And it still won't be enough. Broadwell-D makes Ryzen look like a child's first attempt at a low-TDP, high core count SoC.

>>58934046

>80% TAM

>>58934023
>every trick possible
There's a lot left to do that couldn't fit in the time window for this launch, the next iteration of the architecture should offer some decent improvement.

>>58934046
Snowy Owl is Broadwell-E's competitor, and Snowy Owl has more than enough I/O without even touching the motherboard chipset to compete.

>>58934068
Fuck, meant Xeon-D, not Broadwell-D/E

It's kinda honestly amazing that a single die, get this, a single fucking die can address the entire 65-200W market.

If AMD had money for multiple dies for every relevant power point it would be a homerun

>>58934183

>65w

Zen is designed to go even lower. AMD is playing it smart with the limitations they are working with.

>>58934214
The 8 core die is called Zeppelin, and it's currently the only die out there.
Zen is the core architecture, Ryzen is the marketing name for the entire chip.

I wish people would get these facts straight already.

>>58934259

Hence why I said zen - the core architecture is meant to scale down to ultra lower low power (think 10-15w territory) as well as upto the monster server chips. The fact that AMD has not announced other products based upon zen doesn't mean shit - their roadmaps and other such high level briefs of the zen architecture make note of such scaling at various points.

>>58934259
I wish AMD would make sane names logic behind these things

>>58934328
It's like the Core i7-9XX/Nehalem/Gulftown scheme

>>58934328
Codenames like Zen, Zeppelin, Naples, Summit Ridge, Raven Ridge, aren't really marketed to the public, the consumer facing name Ryzen is.
Too much names confused normalfags, Intel has their own codenames that most people don't really know of.

>>58933015
Sauce?=

This is kind of off topic but

>read the motherboard description
>USB 3.1 gen 1 & 2
>read up on it quick
>gen 2 10gbps

Here is my retarded question:

Why the fuck can't we network using USB 3?

>tfw no 2x10gbps channel bonding USB 3 connections for server connections.

I want to kys myself

>>58934525
USB doesn't have DMA and its latency is too high for networking.

>>58934525
>Why the fuck can't we network using USB 3?
Because different protocols, retard. USB can not handle TCP or other related protocols.
Also, 2.5/5/10GB Ethernet is already here.

>>58934525
USB cable length is limited to 5m or so

>>58934558
How bad is the latency? I thought SSDs for example perform pretty well on it and they're pretty fast in terms of throughput.

>>58934570
JUST SEND IT I DONT CARE. But seriously it would be sweet since every desktop since sandy bridge or before has them instead of buying a 10gbps card.

WHERE ARE THE REVIEWS YOU SAID THERE WOULD BE REVIEWS.

>>58934590
Balls I didn't know that. Fuck this then. Shame 10gbps will take ages to become cheap since it's not really required for anything other than enterprise.

>>58934607
Jesus fucking Christ, either do your fucking research or stay in fucking /v/

>>58934607
three digit milliseconds bad.

>>58934636
I don't play video games faggot I'm merely curious now kill yourself.

Really looking forward to non-ASUS products. chinkSUS has such terrible customer service and support that I will buy literally anything else, possibly at a higher markup, if I can avoid buying more ASUS shit in the future.

firts result on jewgle told me old cpu coolers won't fit AM4 socket
I guess I'm going intel after all

>>58934743
yes that's for the best.. AMD is untrusted technology, Intel is tried and tested

>>58928628
Fucking finally I bought into the last Intel HEDT meme. x99 is dead,
>overpriced entry 5820k
>crazy priced updated broadwell-e
Fuck Intel and their $600-$1200 "HEDT" CPUs

>>58934743
The same old coolers will still fit, you just need new mounting hardware. Check if your maker has upgrade offers, Noctua for example will even give it to you for free, others might do the same or sell you a set of AM4 brackets.

>>58928699
Europeans must add +20% due to value added tax.

>>58928743
zen is going to be shit like bulldozer.

>>58934899
And another 10% or so for import. Also, it's the same number in euros (example $299 is 299 euros) plus 30% for VAT and import even though euro is stronger.

>>58934974
>30% VAT

Lol what
It's under 20% in non-hellholes

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Benchmarks

https://videocardz.com/65913/how-fast-is-ryzen

>>58935038
It's over AMD is finished

>>58935038
Looks like 5-10% slower than Broadwell in IPC, but this is FP work though, integer and mixed should be much more interesting.

>>58935109
uh
can you read

compare price/performance, don't just look at the top spot and scream "INTEL WON"

>>58935173
Theres something weird going on with the results, its pointed out by Looncraz int he comments.
Also videocardz listed turbo on some of the intel chips wrong.

>>58935173
I'm more than fucking happy, I thought AMD would get clobbered in floating point workloads, instead they're just getting moderately beaten.
However they should win against broadwell no problem with their integer units.

>>58935206
This.
If the price rumors are anywhere near true, Intel is going to get annihilated, especially in the higher end market.
It's either a $1600 processor, or a $550~ processor for a bit less performance, and 2 fewer cores.

>worse in every benchmark after all this hype
AMD is finished

>>58935038
AMD IS DESTROYED!!!

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>>58935038
>7700k at 4.8ghz barely edges out 6core at 3.7ghz
well now the choice is obvious for me

>>58935038
Fuck, that's disappointing.

>>58935444
7700K has 4 cores.

>>58935484
yeah?

>>58935484
It also burns your house down at those clocks.

>>58935038

INTEL SHILLS ON SUICIDE WATCH!

>>58935495
Isn't it kinda obvious that a 6 core at slightly lower clock would be comparable or better? It has 2 extra cores.

There are advantages and disadvantages to having more cores do the same work. For example my CPU can easily match an i7 6850X at 4.6GHz while only running at 2.3GHz. The advantage is that my power consumption is below 100W while his is way north of 200W. The disadvantage is that my per core performance is weaker. About half his.

It applies here too, to a less extreme degree. Either higher power consumption and better per core performance, or lower power consumption and more cores for the same performance. In the end it depends on your application which is better.

I assume you need raw performance in threaded applications, but I'm just pointing out that this is like saying "water is wet". We already know that Zen will have comparable IPC unless AMD manages to fuck it up somehow.

>>58935506
Whadda you talkin about, goyim? Its fine. Everything is fine. Kaby Lake pulling 30w or higher per core is totally fine.

>>58935461
The turbo speeds on the intel parts aren't shown. Broadwell-E has a single core peak turbo, then they have an all core turbo. In a multithreaded workload the i7 6900k is pinned at 3.5ghz, it only hits 3.7ghz on a single core in a totally serial workload.
The 6950X hits 4ghz single core, and if I recall its all core turbo is 3.4ghz.

Stock 3.4ghz Ryzen is only slightly behind the i7 6900k at 3.5ghz.
Overclocked 4ghz Ryzen is only slightly behind the 10 core i7 6950X at its all core turbo.

The results are impressive if they're real.

>>58935583
>Isn't it kinda obvious that a 6 core at slightly lower clock would be comparable or better? It has 2 extra cores.
>In the end it depends on your application which is better.
I assure you most people will be buying these cheap 6 cores for muh videogames without realizing that most games don't even touch 6 cores.

>>58928699
So cheapest Ryzen CPU + mobo will be around under $200?

>>58935649
Actually you'd be surprised by how many video games can use 6 cores. Console ports in particular tend to scale somewhat up to 8 cores and DX12 games can scale even better.

Of course the render thread is still there bottlenecking your ass if your single core performance isn't good enough.

>>58932528
Yuuuup.

>>58934663
bullshit
imagine using a mouse with that
And USB network cards exist and dont have bad latency and they use the usb protocol.

Asus motherboard sucks REEEE
Where's my formula/extreme board ASUS
I want my insane watercooling block so I can overclock the fucking shit out of this chip

>>58928930
Maybe is your powersupply?

>>58928628
Will I be able to make a ryzen build without a GPU?
I want to wait for Vega.

>>58939043
Zen APUs will exist sooner or later, main chips like the 1800x etc do not have igpu

>>58939043
Vega in Q2 2017 yeah? Maybe I'll finally upgrade my toaster, Ryzen + Vega sounds good to me but I'll wait for the reviews.

>>58934961
Nice input poojeet

>>58940282
I feel the same way, but I keep forgettign that I'm not gonna pull the trigger right when either comes out.

It will take several weeks of many different sites testing these chips before I'm willing to believe anything about their actual performance.

>>58941541
This is the only way to go when buying anything anyway.
Have never done a day 1 purchase of any hardware and never will.

>>58934183
>a single fucking die can address the entire 65-200W market
The slides said that Zen addresses from 10W to 180W iirc

>>58942233
die, not core.
cores are part of the die.
Most newer Intel cores scale from 5W-200W as well, but they never had a single die encompass so much power targets and do good in all of them.