So /g/, which one will you be getting? http://wccftech.com/a

>>58917514
whatever chip Intel can shit out of their ass to burn this meme CPU to the ground

XFR 6 core is the best bang for the buck for gaymurs.
which 8 core is best depends on how well they overclock.
buying a 4 core in 2017 is only for poorfags

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Don't make us go to some shitty website, post the chart.

>>58917554
You mean +2% performance, +10% TDP Cannon Lake in 2018? Intel doesn't have an answer for Zen, they don't have a new arch in the works and they won't for years. They can try to jump to 10nm or 7nm soon but it won't do much for them.

>>58917514
The 1600X looks extremely appealing. It should be a nice upgrade from my 4690k, two extra cores, hyperthreading and XFR at 20W less TDP, DDR4, USB 3.1, NVMe, etc.

1700 and overclock as far as you can.

I'm getting the most expensive one.

>>58918023
>non X
>can't overclock higher than 4.2GHz

>X
>can overclock up to 4.7GHz because X are cherrypicked chips

Just an example, but I can't see the slowest part of the 8/6/4 core tier being able to overclock the same as the top dogs since then no one would fucking buy the top dogs.

>>58918061
this. I'm not a poorfag

>>58917514
>>58917724
Holy fuck though, how realistic is it that these will be the actual prices on launch day?
Or do you guys think this will turn out the way the RX 460, 470, and 480 launched, and how it took months for the prices to fall? I suppose it really comes down to how much of each chip is in stock.

>>58917724
>XFR
>single core up to 4.5GHz on 1800X
>absolutely obliterates the Broadlel-E in serial workloads
>comes uncomfortably close to a 7700k in serial workloads if they're not called SuperPi


Please let it be real.

>>58917514
What would happen if Intel undercut and by a ridiculous margin, prevent anyone buying a Zen, make AMD bankrupt and have the majority market share?

>>58918107
Sure they would. The X chips have XFR, the others don't. Not everyone overclocks.

>>58918243
That's called predatory pricing and is a good way to get sued.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predatory_pricing#United_States

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>>58917738
You better be fucking telling me the true anon.
I want to build myself a new desktop, but I am hoping for some new innovation from Intel in 2018.

>>58918328
>some new innovation from Intel in 2018.
Intel can't properly innovate, period.

>>58918107
>can't overclock higher than 4.2GHz

That's just playing the silicon lottery. Just now we can play it with lower binned and, more importantly, cheaper chips.

>>58918243
They won't drop prices yet, but I bet we'll see lots of sales and bundle deals from intel.

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>>58917514
>was going to buy a 7700k
>Intel announces even newer chips
>Ryzen coming soon with possible huge boosts
>bought a large 4k TV instead and PS4 Pro

Dodged a bullet bros.

>>58918328
The most innovation that has come from Intel in x86 in the last several years has been reducing node sizes. Like I said, they don't have a new architecture in the works because they've been able to just sit on their ass and do nothing for the last decade while AMD went full retard with CMT.

all amd ryzen cpu's can be manually overclocked

the X variant have XFR technology with multiple semiconductor sensory integrated for automated overclocking depending on your demand and cooling solution

>>58918328
>innovation from Intel in 2018.
Your innovation is a die shrink of Skylake, enjoy your 84W TDP with 100MHz higher clocks and 1% IPC increase over Skylake.
Netting you approximately 2-3% serial performance and 8% throughput.

>>58918179
First of all, those chips need to be competitive.

What is this XFR stuff?

>>58917514

I will want to see benchmarks for that Ryzen 5 6-core with 16MB L3 for only $229 before I make a decision.

>>58918395
So you are telling me if I build a Ryzen build, Intel wouldn't have enough time to make me regret it?

I'd like to get the 1700, since it might be future proof for a while.

>>58917554
>he will buy Netburst 2.0
Enjoy your housefire.

>>58918179
major speakers of amd has told now that they are priced below expectations so they should hit a serious demand.

the most famous words spoken till now by raja are: if you are about to upgrade your computer, with ryzen there has never been a better time to

>>58918395
This is the biggest improvement since Haswell!

THANK YOU BASED INTEL

>>58918438
Basically it's auto-OC feature. Ryzen chips are stuffed with sensors.
>>58918447
Intel currently has nothing on Zen and their rumored new arch may very well be Itanium 2.0: electric boogaloo.

>>58918328
nigga i bet you can't wait a whole fucking year. Lastest you'll go is probably vega/volta

>>58917514
Pentium G4560 will offer very similar performance in games to Ryzen 3 1100 AT HALF THE PRICE. Fucking calling it now, that's why it's so suspiciously cheap.

>>58918471
>rumored new arch
In 2021 at soonest.
By that time the three times improved Zen core will be replaced by something else.

>>58918501
And Zen or whatever-based APUs will have HBM3 that would be cheaper and easier to stack aka Intel mobile market is ded.

>>58917514
Still nothing wrong with Sandy bridge after all these years

Gamer faggots

>>58918498
better get those tweezers ready to cherrypick those benchmarks.
4 unlocked cores beat 2 cores by a huge margin

>>58918526
You can also OC them if you won the lottery.

>>58918495
nigga I have been waiting since Haswell for something new from Intel. I can easily wait one more year.

>>58918557
There will be nothing NEW from Intel up until 2021 and even then it might be shit because Intel's R&D department has a history of making useless crap.

>>58917724
>1700x to 1800x $110 difference for +0.2ghz

??????????

>>58918581
Well Ryzen or Skylake X it is then.

>>58918595
Welcome to Halo products.

>>58918595
B I N N I N G you moron. 1800x is (almost) top-tier chip.
>>58918613
>Skylake X
You know how much it'll cost.

>>58918595
Binning maybe?

>>58918416
It depends on what you currently have. I have a Haswell i5 in my main system, and I don't feel like spending the extra shekels for an unlocked i5.

>>58918595
top binning is always expensive. For "overclocking enthusiasts" it's worth it.
Everyone else is better off just buying the 1700x

>>58918630
I guess the six core one would be the same price as 6800k, but that would be retarded when you could just get Ryzen for cheaper, and have the performance of 6900k

>>58918670
It will also have cheaper mobo.

>>58918526
Isn't HT thread basically 80% of a physical core these days? Remember anon, this is budget tier, at 2x the price Ryzen needs to be significantly more powerful.

What I really want to know now is the price of the Am4 motherboards.

>>58918683
Does there exist a mobo, at the likes of Asus's x99 II-deluxe?

>>58918694
>Isn't HT thread basically 80% of a physical core these days?
Lol what, at best its 30%, and that's a very big 'at best'

>>58918694
go away. HT never was and never will be more than a 20% boost.
Buying any dual core GPU in 2017 is retarded when you can get a quadcore for $129

>>58918703
Not yet.

>>58918762
*CPU

>>58918328
Their new innovation is going to be reasonable prices (except on their top models which Ryzen still can't beat, those will still be $1000).

>>58918825
It's pretty amazing how people forget that 10 core BDW-E exists.

>>58918843
It costs what, 1700$ and it has 3.0ghz base clock.

>>58918843
At that dumb price it might as well not exist.
Hello there are fucking Xeons in that range that are cheaper.

Probably the 1600X by the looks of it, excited to upgrade my 5 year old Team Red Budget APU rig.

>>58917724
>95W TDP
wew

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>>58917514
Will Ryzen 7 1700X support ECC and IOMMU??

It was too late for Xmas and too late for tax returns. Its over...the wait was too much.

>>58918517
Still nothing wrong with Phenom 4s,

Intel Faggot

>>58918927
>Will Ryzen 7 1700X support ECC and IOMMU??
Probably no, they are consumer chips.

>>58918927
It doesn't matter...Its too late.

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>>58918953
>Probably no, they are consumer chips.

But AMD has a track record of having ECC support in their CPUs, right? So it's just up to the motherboard manufacturers.

And both Athlon IIs and Phenon IIs had IOMMU support.

>>58918702
This! I'm thinking of picking up a quad core Ryzen CPU and a cheap motherboard (preferably around $50) to pair it with.

>>58919014
You just have to wait till official release.

I bought the 5820k few months ago, otherwise I would have gone for the 1800x in a heartbeat.

Of course if Ryzen turns out to be an absolute beast and by some miracle manages to be 30-40% faster than this thing, I'll be tempted to sell this and upgrade to the AMD, but I doubt that's going to happen.

>>58919038
That's in march, right?

>>58919048
Heavily rumored to be the very end of February/very early March

1700 depending on if I can get a Vega card for a reasonable price too

>>58919038
NO RELEASE! YOU WWWAAAIIITTT FOREVER!

>>58919069
Nice.

>>58917514
>currytech
300 rupees have been deposited into your account

>>58919069
No rumor. The CEO of AMD literally said early March.

>>58919162
They said last year too...it's too late and its all over. The fight happened and Zen didn't show up.

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>>58918377
>buys 4k tv
>buys 720p console
>feels comfy
Checked

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>>58919235
I like the cut of your jib

I've been using the same computer for about 9 years now (core2duo) and I'm probably due an upgrade.

I've heard that the ryzen is something special, that it actually had intel worried or something. Is there any information about how fast it actually is?

>>58919325
Ryzen doesn't exist.

>>58919258
PlayStation Pro is good for 1080p60

>>58917554
Shill

i5-7600
The Ryzen equivalent is only marginally cheaper and the step up is not so marginally more expensive.

>>58919723
Then why would choose 7600, when you could have the base model of Ryzen?

so you can buy the non-XFR chip, put a high-end cooler on it and just overclock it to the specs of the more expensive chip with XFR?

>inb4 the non-XFR chips are shittier that don't OC well hence the lower cost

>>58919960
You always pay more for better binning and better base clocks.

Ryzen doesn't matter if it can't be bought. End of story.

>>58919889
Because I poo in the toilet, Rajim.

>>58920004
Not an argument.

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>>58920004

>>58920000

QUADS CONFIRM RYZEN IS SHIT

ALL ABOARD

>>58920145
it's shit until March, at least. We will know if it stops being shit then

Will I be able to build a dirt cheap gaming PC with this or is i5 still a better choice?

>>58920183
If you want actual dirt cheap, G4560 + 1050 ti would be your best bet

>>58920183
We dunno man.
We know practically nothing about the 6 core, or 4 core chips.

>>58920201
Change that to an RX 470 and that's a beast of a budget build.

>>58920201
This but RX470 aka the actual value card.

How okay would a 1400X or 1600X + 8GB RX480 build be? I'm in no rush to upgrade my rig so I'm fine with waiting a number of months for price drops.

>>58920227
>>58920217
Ehh, the RX470-4 costs 60 dollars more in Canada, and the GTX1060-3 outperforms the RX470-8 here at the same price.

>>58920297
Bretty good.

>>58920297
that sounds about right, I'd go for the 1600X for the higher TDP and extra cores. Quad core might not be enough in the future, 6 should be fine for the life of such a build

>>58920306
Nah, 1060-3 already started to trail behind 470. And get 470-4 ya doofus.

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>>58917514
>mfw bought a 6600k half a year ago
kill me pls

>>58920330
You did well. But yea, 4c with no SMT looks like trash value compared to Ryzen lineup.

>>58920317
>>58920326
Sweet, thanks guys. Definitely gonna go for a 1600X then.

>>58917554
They don't need to. Intel has won all the battles thanks to their bully practices even when they had slower chips.

>>58920306
Huh? The cheapest 1060 3GB I can find on Newegg is $260. There's an RX 480 4GB on there for $255. The cheapest RX 470's I see are going for $230.
There is a $50 price difference between the 1050ti and the RX 470, though I'll give you that.

>>58920347
Yeh I'm pretty sure Intel will still be king in single core but feels bad to be gimped by Intel when now the next i5's will probably have it.

>>58917514
Probably the Ryzen 7 1700(assuming it can OC)

That should be a big enough upgrade from the PIIX4 965

>>58920364
Won't work this time. Everyone from average consumer to server farm owners are fucking tired of Intel's kikery and ready to abandon the ship the moment something comparable arrives.

>>58919014
I'd imagine they would support EEC. These chips are meant for home and server use.

>>58917514
whichever one my scorpio comes with

>>58920553
Scorpio will likely be some custom 4c/8t APU build

>>58920384
Isn't the 1060-3 superior to the rx480-4?

>>58920582
depends on the game, some need that extra gig of VRAM.

>>58920570

Yeah, at these prices I would be surprised if it didn't come with one.

Even the $129 model would be around 2x as fast as the 1.75g jaguar

OP here, does AMD have any plans to compete with Intel in the Knight's Landing series of Xeons? There hasn't been any competition at the high end of IPC chips for quite some time now, and I think Intel still is going to have the edge in chip density despite their larger die size for a few more years still.

>>58920582
Not really, no. The RX 480 4GB performs about 5% worse than the RX 480 8GB, which performs more or less the same as the 10606 6GB in recent tests. Many people also recommend the RX 470 4GB over the 1060 3GB.
3GB of VRAM in this day is fucking retarded. BF1 takes 3.3GB of my VRAM, and GTA 5 barely maxes it out.

>>58920615
I haven't seen any documentation for Ryzen that goes beyond 32 cores on a single die, but dual CPU boards are likely a thing. the massive core count chips might be something for Ryzen gen 2

>>58920364
>muh underdogs are the good guys mentality
its about fucking microchips, why do you care...

>>58920306
Damn sounds like Canada is fucked yet again. I can get a RX480 8GB the best AIB cards too for $200 bucks here in the states. Best ones if I recall are the XFX. Sapphire, and MSI. All of them $200. The RX470's are fifty dollars cheaper. I'd feel bad for you canacucks but leafs deserve it.

>>58920711
they have done some things in the past, like the 1.25 billion USD lawsuit they have yet to pay AMD for anti-trust practices in the EU. but beyond that, it comes down to intel's far superior marketing.

>>58920675
Intel MIC is pretty unusual case so I doubt AMD will have something like that without making a dedicated arch.

>>58920760
I'm surprised Intel got away with such a low fine too. They must have the best lawyer(((stein's))). That or bribery.

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Now where are the x300 boards!? REEEEEEEEEE

>>58920384
literally just bought my rx480 for $180 off jewegg

>>58919723
Which model is the 7600 equivalent one?

>>58920933
Some 6core.

>>58920948
You sure shouldnt a 6 core 12 thread be alot stronger?

>>58920959
It will be a lot stronger, it just has the same price as 7600.

So are any of these APU's or are those a different lineup?

>>58920987
Raven Ridge is H2 2017.

>>58917514
Fuck I'm glad I decided to skip upgrading to the 6700, and waiting for Zen. The R7 1700 looks like it'll be perfect for what I need.

>>58920997
H2 meaning second half?

>>58921009
Yay, Raven Ridge are going to be Zen+Vega based APUs and it'll be glorious if Raja delivers (and he can).

>>58920967
more cores won't really help unless games are written to take advantage of it, which most aren't. You'll get better performance out of the faster Kaby Lake 4-core architecture, which has a higher clock speed and more refinement.

>>58917724
What are you going to do with all cores?

16gb of ram for 16cores.

amd shitposting desu

>>58921032
I am excite :)

>>58921041
>more refinment
And shitty TIM. Also games are starting to used moar cores so quad cores are on the road to obsolescence.

>>58921041
at stock speeds, I agree. we need to see how well Ryzen overclocks though.

>>58917724
This almost makes me want to buy an Intel because I feel sorry for them. Intel is going to be the new underdog.

>>58921088
Kikes deserve it. Now they have to hire some actual talent and try not to make Itanium 2.0: electric boogaloo.

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>MFW Intel cucks have less cores and threads
>spend less overall
>buy vega with savings
>feelz gud

Should I sell my 7700K for this?

>>58921124
No, unless you really want moar corez.

>>58921124
I doubt you'd resell a CPU for decent return, just use it and let it run its course.

>>58917514
The intel 7600k

>>58921124
Embrace your inner cuck as >>58921131 and >>58921132 said. Hopefully you don't get salty when you're laughed at on /g/.

>mfw I already bought the computer I'll use for the next 5-10 years
I wonder if x86 will still be a thing by the time I upgrade.

>>58921175
intel might be at 6nm by then, likely still selling flagship quadcores

I might just splurge, and get the 1800x

I hope it would be a giant leap with i5 2500k to 1800x

>>58917724
Probably gonna go 1400X

>>58921243
It should be noticeable even if you had it overclocked in my experience. I still have some 2500k's in service. I can tell a difference mostly in gaming with my DC Haswell parts.

>>58920711
I don't know what would happen if AMD was the one on top, but i bet my life that they wouldn't be near as evil as Intel

>>58921347
And they never were. K8 raped Presshot yet K8 chips were priced lower in average while performing better. At lower clocks.

>>58917724
1700 looks like the best option in terms of price/performance.

>>58921401
It is.

>>58917514
I will probably wait for Zen+

>>58917738
They can make a housefire if they need to

>>58918694
More like 1/4 a core, maybe 30% at best.

Intel just got blown the absolute fuck out, everyone was talking about octo ryzen costing $500-600.

>>58921401
assuming the binning won't be terrible compared to the X (which AMD usually has very similar binning for the top SKUs in general) yes

>>58921443
Well, it costs 500. Black Edition one.

>>58921124
if you can sell it now at a very low lost maybe if otherwise no.

>>58917514

Why doesn't Ryzen come with a decent iGPU that can do 4k hevc?

Not everyone is a gaymer that needs a dedicated gpu.

>>58920330
>tfw bought a 4690k in 2014
>upgrading to 1700, maybe 1700x
It has served me well, but it's time for moar cores.

>>58921483
Because it's CPU line you moron. APUs are coming later this year.

When will Ryzen-based Opterons be released?

>>58921496

Intel CPU's are technically "APU".

Just put in a decent iGPU for 4k video decoding god dammit.

>>58921530
I think they mentioned Q2 at some point

>>58917514
Probably the Ryzen 5 1400X or 1500 depending on how they deal with the canadabux exchange rate.
I'm honestly glad I waited if all these spec leaks are real.

>>58921548
How do you put iGPU into Zeppelin without cutting one CCX? You don't. Wait for Raver Ridge.

>>58921559
These are "leaks". They create hype, and hype is always good, it's marketing 101.

>>58917514
>>58917724
1700

>>58921548
The i7E line isn't you dipshit.

>>58921456
Yes but that's the option for morons, the 1700X does the same job for $389, only undercutting intel by $639us

I have some parts ready to go.

Recently built a new 8320e/MSI 970 chipset mobo for stupid stupid cheap. and reused the rest of the parts from my athlon 750k rig.

Bought a pretty nice S340 Case, Planning on picking up a 6c/12t cpu, mid range mobo, 16gb ddr4 and a 470 8gb

>>58921483
Why doesn't Broadwell-E come with any iGPU at all?

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that these are fucking enthusiast parts and everybody who's buying them has a graphics card

>>58917514
I'm aiming for 1800X or 1700X, but it's probably going to be 1700X unless it somehow turns out that 1800X is magic home-grown silicon that OCs much better. Hell the regular 1700 is also an option if it OCs just as well.

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>>58922073
Amada is #1 in doki doki computing.

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>>58917724
>>58917514
8c/16t 320 USD!

APU's are Cute!

>>58922211
Shinobu a slut.

>>58917707
>4 core 4 thread ryzen or 2 core thread i3
Hm probably ryzen since more bang for buck?

>>58922211
>meme loli

>>58922268
You can also OC said Ryzen and it's soldered instead of having crappy TIM.

>>58922268
I mean 2 core 4 thread

My i5 2500k :^)

>>58922282
>loli

>>58922284
TIM is likely used on intel chips so you can de-lid it easily and claim "THE FASTEST CPU EVAR for 5 seconds"

>>58921131
>>58921132
>>58921166
>>58921466
I'll wait for benches.

Will the red team succeed anons?

I'm still on a fx6300 @ 5ghz

>>58923183
A 3.4ghz Ryzen chip outperforms a 5ghz Vishera chip by a decent amount in everything. They're in an incredible position right now.

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>Finally upgrading my 2500k

Thank you based AMD

>>58917724
1700x TBQH

Also i will attempt to overclock it to get just below a 7700k speed per core

>>58917514
Wake me up when Zen has 40 PCIe lanes and motherboards with 10Gb Ethernet.

>>58923336
Something something Naples.

>>58921390
Is it too late now that they have backdoored chips like Intel? Or is the secure os coprocessor a harmless meme?

>>58917514
1200x.

>>58923358
You forgot your tinfoil hat.

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>>58923372
Excuse me? We're debating whether or not a company is evil not whether I understand and care about the implications of the software embedded in performance consumer grade microprocessors

>>58923443
buy an FX-8350 or buy Russian then

Ryzen is the start citizen of cpus. I want it to be real but I'm so tired of waiting.

>>58923457
I guess you're just trolling and I'm being trolled. Is this what's happening?

>>58923472
2 weeks left.

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>>58923290

>>58917514
How do you think their APU's will perform /g/?

>>58923523
the same as intel's, if the rumors of AMD building iGPUs for them is true.

>>58923336

Some top end boards were shown with 10gb Ethernet, ironically made by Intel.


Anyone know anything about the PRO chips? Ive seen the skus pop up a few times here and there and was wondering if there is any info out on them.

>>58917724
Can't wait for Ayymd to underestimate the power draw and destroy people's brand new motherboards (again).

>>58923614
They're business SKUs, just like they are now.

>>58923523

I think this is where the real potential of Zen and Vega is. AMD actually has experience putting together APUs and SoCs that aren't bad, even Intel might use AMD tech in their APUs because they just can't seem to crack the graphics half. With AMD finally fixing their CPU half, their APUs will be amazing.
What we don't know is how infinity fabric works exactly and if it really is something good or not. It has the potential to make good APUs. There might even be a bit of HBM on Raven Ridge APUs, at least the top end. AMD would kill the mobile market with a low power Zen+Vega APU.

>>58923650

I knew that, but could there be any real functional difference? Less/more features? Meant for bulk and OEMs? Cheaper/more expensive? Ahh well. I'm really waiting for a Zen chip with more PCI lanes and quad channel. Would be nice to have multiple Vegas in my system if they are as good for deep learning as AMD says they will be.

>>58917514
i7 10700k

>>58923664
>implying Housefire Inc. can make power efficient products

amd please be good so i can move on from my almost 10 years old i7- 920

>>58923694
There are no hardware differences, its just bundled software features.

>>58923730
>Athlon
>64
(you).

>>58923776
Their mobile chips were shit even during a64 times. Pentium M was king.

>>58923839
Because they were not trying. And Pentium M was basically upgraded P3 anyway.

>>58917514
>http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-full-lineup-pricing-clock-speeds-leaked/
The second Fry's has a 4c/8t with mobo combo for <250 bucks in their weekly ad I'm buying one.

No fucks given.

>>58921124
Of course not. that would be 'sidegrade'. Can't wait for benchmarks

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A supplier website posted some Asus AM4 boards by accident (since has been taken down). These are in AUD which I'm told generally includes tax already. Actual Australian please confirm.

>>58924156
Just bought the first thing from fry's today in about 4 years.

960 evo 500GB

$249, couldn't find one online and at msrp

>>58924251
It's interesting cause I keep seeing people price quote graphics cards at a higher price than fry's ever has them. Do people just hate shopping with them? rx470 is regularly 170 and 480 is regularly 220 in their ad.

Good deals can be had and I'm hoping they offer at least one ryzen combo every week like they do now with fx and i5s.

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>>58924237

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>>58924293

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>>58924299

>>58924299
wow, it looks extremely similar to the x99 board they make

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>>58924310

>>58924237
As an aussi I can confirm we get assraped in pricing. These numbers look legit.
A MSI 99 AM3+ board still costs $200 retail. So these boards should be
$180-450
the VI hero looks like a fuckup tho. No one's paying for a mobo that expensive.

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>>58924321

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>>58924330
Here's the PRIME mobo

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>>58924335

>>58924237
yes it has to include gst by law.

>>58924320
>266USD before tax for the flagship MoBo
that's just Asus being Asus

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>>58917514
either the R5 1400X (yes, R5), or R5 1500, depends if the extra cores/threads are worth it.

>>58924415
lmao poor

>>58924320
>>58924363
So that makes the Prime mobo 170 USD before tax? That still seems high considering the prices on their z270 mobos. I guess I suck at international price translation.

>>58924415
I wouldn't bother about the X models except in the top range, XFR is just a power saving feature more than anything. just bump the clocks up to match the stock and boost of the higher model

>>58924479
I thought XFR was the automatic overclocking feature.

>>58922256
Delet

>>58924502
it offers temporary boosts over the standard boost clock, then drops down to avoid thermal and power use spikes. it's not true overclocking, but the better cooling you have the longer and higher it will boost to.

>>58924455
you know it

>>58924478
Should be less for you. We've got high import taxes. Expect $130-150

Possibly upgrading from a i7 950 if this pans out.

I'm disappointed at the lowend bottoming out at $129. Most of the machines I build are in the $500 range and the Pentium g4560 actually made me feel okay about recommending going that low. $129 cpu is the difference between a SSD boot drive or not, or a 1050 ti or 470.

>>58921559
this
but don't forget we pay more even if you take the exchange rate into consideration
GTX 970s were a good $50-100 more than their US counterparts when they first came out as an example

I'm excited to see how the R3 1100 performs. If you can overclock that cheap little chip, I'm curious to see what you can get out of it.

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>>58920330
>built a brand new i5 6600k + GTX 1080 meme rig last year
>Ryzen + Vega are about to jump performance lightyears ahead for roughly the same price or cheaper
It's not fair AMD aren't supposed to be better

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>>58924953
yeah fuck that memerig

this model of memerig is HYPHY

Been waiting to upgrade my fx6300 for quite a while, I'm excited. Just got a job too so I'm definitely buying this for me.

>>58923492
I'm in australia so make that 2 years

>>58925131
Maybe this is that "privilege" thing all the kids talk about, but I can't imagine living in a market 2nd or 3rd tier market for consumer electronics. I'm not moving from the US unless it is to S. Korea, Japan, or Canada.

>>58925231
Canada's dollar is in the shitter right now, literally the same value as the Aussie dollar

>>58925238
Yeah but at least the availability is still there. Australia sounds like suffering.

>>58925254
take a trip to Hong Kong once every 5 years then.

>>58917738
>they don't have an answer for zen
people actually believe this, they never had to answer amd. ayyyymd has just caught up and people are talking about them like they're the fucking lead horse in a race. yeah fuckin right bud.

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>>58925238
Rev up that industry

>>58925292
the "answer" is marketing. they haven't needed to market processor power to the mass markets for years, it's mostly been crap about power saving or whatever flavor of the week tech they're working to get in joe smo's blog.

>>58925298
>black gold
>texas tea

>>58925301
so power draw is not a more pressing matter than pushing more cores at problems that don't exist in mainstream computing?

fuck right off.

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>>58924953
>>Vega are about to jump performance lightyears ahead for roughly the same price or cheaper
HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA Vega is piece of shit card with perf in between gtx 1070 and 1080 it's no where where you delusional fags will want it to be aka titan XP at $300, also Ryzen may be disappointing too since no in next 2-3 years will ever use 16 threads

I need to fit in $1000 with how retarded currency rates are
for RAM, CPU and board.
So probably 1800x for longevity sake, 32gb ram and $200 board

>>58917514
>sell computers for a living
>i3's with 8gb and rx 460+s cause cheapo clients
Anything that rivals i3's at lower price or anythign that costs as much as i3 and has more power
the 1100-1200? (4 cores 4 threads?)

>>58919463
No, it is not.

Is there any mITX x300 board preview yet?

I'm still on a 2 core Phenom II. Ryzen save me.

>>58917514
>which one ?

Once they are on the market, I'll look at anything for $200 and under and see if it's worth it. Ideally, bare chip without any bullshit or cooler or anyfuckingthing. I have a fucking crate full of useless, never-used cooling blocks that I've been forced to purchase with CPUs for the last fucking decade. Ran out of ideas for all the shitty, ear-raping fans that came with them several years ago.

Just sell me the fucking bare chip, best price. I am completely capable of figuring out how to cool the God damned thing. AMD cooling "solutions" have been a fucking nightmare for years upon years. Whoever thinks that forcing their shitty cooling blocks on everyone is somehow "value added" needs to be thrown into a 55 gallon drum of broken glass and rolled down the side of a convenient, tall mountain.

So 1700x + 1070GTX is new budget meme build? I am gonna build this spring. I am hyped.

>>58917514
1600X

>>58917514
Probably 1700X, but depending when I do the build, and the price of the motherboard I choose, maybe a 1800X.

>>58926382
4 core phenom, this better be gud or i'm going jewtel.

>>58917514
I prefer to wait for benchmarks. I'm all for 8/16 or even 16/32 (if they're gonna be), but only after the platform will be built, so I'd probably get a cheapest 4/8 and wait for a price drop.

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>>58917554

What are the odds of a Ryzen NUC going up on shelves?

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>>58917738
>>58918328
What performance increase would one get upgrading from a 3770k?

>>58917514
Is AMD selling them at a bargain because they need to be 3 times cheaper than Intel in order to take back market or is it because those CPUs are garbage in real life performance? I don't see AMD selling RX 480 at a bargain bin even though they sure do need another 4850.

>>58918278
from the article you posted:
>In addition, the Court established that for prices to be predatory, they must be below the seller's cost.

rip AMD

>>58917514
Still waiting for real benchmarks from real people. I'm aiming for the 4c one, it should be the best for OC. That thermal bound boost feature seems nice.

>>58926593
>>58926382
it's amazing that stuff has slowed down to the point where there's still AMD loyalists are still able to hold on to their decade old relics and have it not be prohibitively bad. Imagine the same scenario a decade earlier:
>ye man im still holdin onto my AM486 the pentium 4 is tempting i mean it's literally 4,000 times faster but fuck jewtel that athlon 64 x2 comin out soon looks bretty good..

well your loyalty and/or poorness is finally paying off, after somehow weathering the shitdozer storm without having to upgrade. Enjoy it. The fact that you didn't give intel any money offsets the fact that you never gave AMD cash for their dogdozer shitheaps.

I'm not risking this jump, I'll see how it plays out

>>58926717
>have it not be prohibitively bad.

Yea no.

>>58926717
Browsing the web doesn't take much processing power. Those guys holding on to their Phenoms aren't doing any serious work, they aren't playing modern games at high res and high settings. Thats how they can manage to get by, by simply not doing anything that would demand more performance.

>>58918670
6800K msrp is $500. Currently its on sale for $430 on newegg.

The 1500 and 1600X are $229 and $259, half the price.

>>58926740
Yes, but holding onto a 10 yr old cpu is absolutely not something you could get away with 20 years ago senpai.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDmXBKZXqf0

>>58924237
>that website
2003 flashbacks holy shit

>>58926748
We got to a point where hardware was good enough to support the software. You could hold on to a 20 year old CPU if all you wanted to do was look at a command line, and maybe run some simple shit in Windows 95 or DOS.

None, too expensive.

>>58926761
>We got to a point where hardware was good enough to support the software.

yeah, the slowness of a phenom on an operating system that came out 10 years later is nothing compared to the slowness of trying to use an i486 with an os that came out not even 10 years later would have been like, it's not even in the same dimension. And that's enabled AMD to hold onto people it otherwise would definitely have lost to intel after K10's trashcan fire tier successor flooded the markets with poo for over 5 years.

Retarded questions time: will these support GPU passthrough?

Does anyone know if the Ryzen chips have integrated graphics?

>>58926916
Ryzen is CPU only.

>>58926916
APUs lauch later this year.
But the fact is that you should be able to get a 4 core ryzen for dirt cheap and buy a dGPU

>>58927027
Exactly. Coming from a fucking Pentium, I was gonna buy a 7700k and a dGPU to set up passthrough in a few days.

But now I saw Ryzen? Oh boy, goodbye Intel. I'm getting something like an r5 230 for the host, and it's going to be sweet.

can't wait for coffee lake that will be 14nm version of cannonlake that will be a 10nm version of kaby lake that's just another 14nm version of skylake

Will it be possible to cripple the PSP in the same way as the ME has been recently?

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>>58917724

>Puts in the chart himself instead of just complaining
Thanks, anon.

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>>58924342

Have we seen anything so far, that doesn't smell like doritos?

>>58917514
Excellent so now how do we fix AMD motherboards to be cheaper?

Anything will be an improvement above my current Piledriver shitbox.

>>58927349
>>58924335

>>58927387
how much are the ryzen ones?

>>58927387
Just don't buy overpriced 1337 RGB G4YmOR crap

>>58927453
Problem with AMD mobos are that if you want a decent one for overclocking and such, you have to pay a hefty price.Which defeats the purpose of being "competitive" against Intel as in the end the price is normalized among all the components and Intel. However I hope it will be decent in the end.

>>58927453
Often it's that gear that has things you want/need/see a future need for. Because making two boards to cater to autists and autists cost more than making one that does all, the things and looks objectively nice.

>>58927464
You are confusing AMD and Intel m8

It's Intel where you have to pay out the ass for a mainboard with the high end chipset to be able to overclock.

>>58927487
aren't the x370 and the x300 the only ones that allow overclocking? at least all processors are overclockable

>>58927487
>this meme
A z170 mobo that has decent phases and cooling of them costs roughly 100-120$
While for AMD it's 150-200$
And don't meme me with some shitty 970 chipset then you're just a rotten pajeet with no brain.

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I actually want 1500 but my 4690k is still good, i need graphics card first.

Shall i wait for Vega or get 480 ?

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>So /g/, which one will you be getting?
Non. I only play games and browse 4chan with youtube. Like 95% of you faggots. Why would i need 16 threads? For what purpose? To convert my porn collection? To convert to what? It's fucking pointless.
Videogames on the other hand struggles with 4 threads let alone with 8. Yeah there is one game battlefield 1 that benefits from 8 threads but it's a shit game with shit graphics and there is no reason why it shouldn't give people 60 fps with any i5.
Anyway that game needed 8 threads fo dem fps. Zen has 16 threads. Now that's alot fo power. And there is no point to buy anything lesser that that because look now on fx-4300 and on fx-8300. Huge difference.


tl;dr: pointless product i stay with my ivy i5.

>>58927511
B350 as well

>>58927525
there is a deal for rx480 nitro 8gb for 197euros right now on massdrop

>>58917514
you are a retard if you dont buy intel... a decade of performing badly means I dont trust a new cpu to be any better than the last one.

Come back after AMD has actually demonstrated a CPU that a) doesnt suck and b) is actually available in shops at a comparable price.

>>58927513
You have to be 18 to post here.

AMD boards could always overclock. I ran my Phenom II oc'ed on a 80$ mainboard for years.

Bulldozer was different because it was a 200W housefire.

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>>58927558
Hey there JIDF, what's the weather like in Israel?

>>58927546
unfortunately i don't live in europe.

I can get sapphire rx480 nitro+ (1208mhz), or asus strix 480 (1330mhz) for a little more.

>>58927558
>a decade of performing badly
a decade of not releasing new CPUs

>>58927564
>a kid calls me a kid
Funny.
I have never said that AMD during the Phenom and Phenom II era was anything bad. However nowadays they're losing it badly with pricing and such. You're totally blind if you can't see that.
Which is why I hope the AMD mobos for ryzen will be highly competitive and well made.
The worst thing with a motherboard is that it has no features and ability to perform well.

>>58927591
Just get the Nitro then.

Will the Ryzen chips have instructions to natively decode H265 and VP9 4K@120fps?

>>58927734
How would they, without an IGP?

I wonder if the FX-8370 will get a price drop. I built this computer in 2012, and while I don't think I'll be building a whole new computer soon, it would be nice to give this computer its first and last CPU upgrade.

>>58918595
i bet that if you lock the 1800x to 4coars it will oc like a motherfucker.

>>58927747
RyZen doesn't have an IGP?

>>58927831
No. But there will be Zen-based APUs later this year.

>>58927831
Ryzen has always had a separate APU line and processor-only line

>>58925832
>since no in next 2-3 years will ever use 16 threads
The point of Ryzen is to ditch the high number of cores and get back to single thread / core performance.

Fuck jewtel fuck nvidiots

We TEAM RED now

>>58917724
Definitely getting the 1400x

>>58918328
Intel can't innovative fast enough, every time they shrink the nm process it take longer with each size reduction

They I still use my Phenom II 965 X4 black edition cpu and it does everything amazingly still.

I recently got myself an RX480 and still all games run great.

What I am asking is what the fuck do processors do. I mean I know what they do but is upgrading my old as shit CPU going to do a fucking thing?

If I upgrade I would want to go 6 core this time. But honestly I really don't understand what getting a new cpu is going to do. It feels like my ancient as shit cpu handles anything I throw at it.

>>58928557
Your CPU is still bottlenecking your GPU. I'm an FX8350 owner myself and I know it's bottlenecking my R9 290X. That's also why AMD used an i7 at the RX480 demo.

The CPU is responsible for sending resources (textures etc) to the GPU and giving it its instructions. Resources etc. are handled by DMA (no active calculation by the CPU, just some logic sending tons of data), but the GPU driver needs CPU power and the game itself needs the CPU for physics and other stuff.

>>58917724
Probably 1400X or 1700X.

>>58928649
Thanks so much. Was not aware.

Why not this name scheme

First number is cores, next two are base clocks, last is SMT, 0 for not enabled, 1 for enabled.

4370
6351
8341

Or just the old Athlon naming scheme where the number denoted performance of the chip as clockspeed of the competition.

>>58928809
That would make too much sense please kill yourself

>>58928809
normies are too intimidated by random strings of numbers, they prefer a tiered, arbitrary naming scheme over a technical one that actually tells you something about the chip

>>58928809
Becaue normies and retarded gaymen children cannot into numbers, therefore ayymd made it easier for them to remember.
Intel also went from 4590K to 7700K.

>>58928809
A combination of the Athlon XP and Phenom naming schemes would have been godly.

e.g.
Ryzen X4 3400+
Ryzen X6 3500+
Ryzen X8 3800+ BE

>>58928649

Question again if you are still lurking. The processor is 3.4GHz. I was thinking of upgrading to the 1500 6 core. But that is 3.2GHz.

Will I still be bottle necking my RX480? Thanks again for the feedback.

>>58928874
This. Plus easy to remember for normies.
Why are we arguing about this again?

>>58928809
This is easier for us because you don't even have to look up the SKU someone else's talking about.
But normalfags don't really know how the naming scheme works unless they put their brain to work for half a minute, which is asking too much.

>>58928869
Ivy and Has-/Broadlell naming was completely retarded.

2500K
>3570K
>4670K
>4690K
>5675C
6600K
7600K

>>58928912
No. The power of a CPU is mainly derived from frequency and IPC (instructions per cycle). The new processors have a very high IPC. The real computation power is the product of IPC and frequency (giving you Instructions per second).
It's like all the Intels atm: Some are at 2.8GHz, but are much better than the current AMDs

>>58928916
>Why are we arguing about this again?
I can dream of something nice from time to time.
And it's a minor thing as well, but would be very welcome.

>>58928916
Because AMD's marketing is retarded.
Any /g/ poster could come up with something better than the shit those fags get paid for.

>>58928927
>t. confused normie

>>58928961
You should take a look at the Xeon naming scheme if you think this is retarded.

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>>58928980
Sure, the 1231 v3.234453265564 shit is retarded as well.

But Intel have the i3 / i5 / i7 naming that's easy for normies to remember. The numbering is stupid as well see >>58928927

It's all about
>muh i5
>muh i7

>>58928933

Thanks buddy. I have no idea how to compare the IPC of these processors. I'll try to read more about it.

>>58929021
I'm not sure if it's even listed on Amazon etc. But you can be sure that a Ryzen 6 core will be better than your Phenom^^

>>58929019
Yes. In Intel's case the i3/i5/i7 denotes how powerful the CPU is and that is the only name normies will care about. Enthusiasts will know what the other numbers mean.

>>58929019
Same as Ryzen 7 5 and 3.

So basically both have the first number easily recognizable while the rest of the numbers are fucking inconsistent rubbish over generation.
Maybe we can be happy if Zen next year just adds 1 to the first number so instead of 1800 we got 2800.
That would be consistent and I'd remember it fairly fast.

>>58918328

Intel does not innovate period. Now they will if these CPU's don't somehow catch on fire.

I honestly can't see them coming out with anything amazing by 2018 however. They sat on their rich asses way too long doing fucking nothing. While AMD has worked their asses off all these years leading to this point.

>>58929071
>WHY IS RYZEN R5 1600 FASTER THAN RYZEN R5 2300 !??!?

Normalfaggot problems.

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>>58929071
Yeah, that would make sense and also be a homage to the old GPUs at the time of the ATI merger

>>58918447

It's fucking impossible for intel to come out with something even within 2 years. Those bastards have done nothing but sit on borrowed time these last few years.

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>>58919463
yes anon have much fun with ultra low settings to get 60fps ahaahahahahahahahahaha

>>58929230

Doesn't the ps4 use a moded 7870 graphics cards?KEK!

>>58917724
I alreafy have an 8 core fx8320, why would i downgrade to get 4 cores 1400x? Games dont even use more than 4 cores or what?