/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

>>58903865
Why do all of these dumb generals have so much shit in the OP?
Who the hell reads that shit?

Posting my question here again

I have a server with 2 network interfaces, eth0 and eth1.

I would like to use eth1 as a connection that goes through a pptp vpn tunnel, and eth0 needs to be available to accept connections on it's regular wan IP.

Then i would like to configure a torrent client to exclusively use the eth1 interface to tunnel through the pptp vpn.

Thus far i have managed to set up a pptp vpn tunnel, but can't get it to bind to a specified interface, the "pptp --localbind (eth1 ip address here)... etc" does not have the desired effect. Once the tunnel is established and ppp0 comes up it still routes all traffic through eth0

>>58903878
Not /v/edditors with the attention span of a 3 year old child.
Do you want to tell us something anon?

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First for Source Mage GNU/Linux

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>>58903865
""""""""""""""""""""""""friendly"""""""""""""""""""""""" reminder to install gentoo

>>58903865
Could you update OP with the new paste link?
I made some changes (added some links).
https://p.teknik.io/wJ9Zy

So, now that the dust has sattled, what's the very best distro ever?

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>>58903958

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>>58903958

>>58903883
look at your routing tables, you will see that everything is getting routed to your eth0 interface:

$ route
Kernel IP routing table
Destination     Gateway         Genmask           Iface
default            192.168.1.1    0.0.0.0               eth0
192.168.1.0     0.0.0.0           255.255.255.0    eth0

>>58903958
Solus

>>58903865
better pasta
>muh structure

>>58903984
fuck off kevin

>>58903984
I farted yesterday something more smarter.

>>58903984
is solus really good or just some /g/ meme?
never heard of solus, only on /g/
what's all the fuzz abou it?
someone repille me pls.

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>>58904015
In the terminal how can i have auto completion? After i write "man" it doesn't work.

>>58904047

# Complete (c)ommand names and (f)ile names:
complete -cf man, sudo

>>58904027
Nah, it's just one retard shilling it over and over again

>>58904082
Looks good.

ty

>>58904047
Most people use:
alias man='man '
or
alias sudo='sudo '
but >>58904082
is actually the cleaner solution, unless you need somethin shell independent.

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did you run

# pacman -Syu

today, /fglt/?

>>58904137
No, I'm not 12 years old.

>>58904149
>what did he mean by this?

>>58904137
Just tried that command but nothing happened.
What does it do? Tried it aösp as root. I'm on Arch btw.

>>58904137
>>58904149
>>58904170
anons, feck off

>>58904177
schmek me

>>58904137
>unironically using Arch

Seriously guys. When will you grow out of Arch and Gentoo memes?

How do you delete a Linux partition? I'm tired of looking at the thing.

>>58904185
depends, will you grow out of memes in general?

>>58904193
GNU/Linux*

>>58904193
what is a "Linux" partition?

>>58904193
what kind of partitions could a kernel have?

>>58904193

sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda

>>58904202
partiiton clased by the 083 code when creating a partition using fdisk

>>58904185
I already did, but I think everyone has learn it on his own.

I guess the common way is: Ubuntu or Mint -> (something related Arch) -> Arch -> Funtoo or Gentoo - and at this point your start choosing a non-autistic distro and care about your own good instead of epenis points.

tl;dr its a good idea to fall for the memes so you know what youre talking about

>>58904202
A partition housing the Linux Operating System

>>58904230
>using fdisk
>not gnu parted

>>58904247
what is this "Linux Operating System"?
as far as I know, Linux does not an operating system make

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>>58904247
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>58904258
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system

>>58904185
>>58904243
>Hurr everyone's needs are the same as mine and the only differentiating factor between people is experience and maturity
>if everyone was as mature as me then everyone in the world would have the same needs, habits, would eat the same food, would wear the same clothes

>>58904268
yes, that's the one you should read

Considering arch as my primary distribution, it will only be used for hobby purposes, (i have a mac for school and work), it it a good choice, im on debian now.

>>58904274
>An operating system (OS) is system software that manages computer hardware and software resources and provides common services for computer programs.
Thats what Linux does

>>58904258
Linux is an operating system, but as kernel-only, it's incomplete, same with GNU, which is an operating system, lacking of a kernel. Together it's a complete OS.

>>58904277
>using a mac
at least us a real BSD

>>58904292
10/10, least non pro-gnu and non pro-linux post.

>>58904285
>provides common services for computer programs
>the kernel
kill yourself

>>58904285
OS = kernel + userland

>>58904285
That's what systemd does.

>>58904285
Linux (the kernel) is just a single component of a GNU+Linux distro
see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system#Components

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>>58904345
here we go again

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I failed vimtutor, again.

>>58904345
brilliant post
10/10

>>58904366
Do it, again.

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shitpost is rampant tonight for sure.

I don't want to post only to say that so I will add a random trivia to my post:
A relatively common mutation in frogs make their eyes grow in its mouth. They are generally perfectly functioning and this doesn't necessarily impair their life expectancy. Pic related.

>>58904358
I dont use gnu
Stop implying everyone has to use that peice of shit

>>58904382
thanks for the enlightenment anon

>>58904382
how do they eat

>>58904386
Wrong thread I guess?

>>58904382
sauce nao

>>58904382
wtf this is the best post in this thread so far!

>>58904399
This was and has always been a Linux thread.You freetard came encroaching and sit at your desk all day long spamming f5 so you can make a new gnushitthread.

This is a linux thread, you can replace any userland and the same issues and questions will arise in this thread,as it pertains to Linux.

>>58904412
Feel free to create your Linux thread.

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Is it worth making my shell scripts #!/bin/sh compliant?

>>58904417
I'm already in it sempai :^)

>>58904418
If you use other, different unix-like systems, then yes

>>58904418
No. You just making them compatible for macfags and zsh tippers. Use Bash.

>>58904412
I guess we should talk about Android and it's issues then because it has a Linux kernel and userland doesn't matter.

>>58904430
If the system is rooted sure we can :^)

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Hay guis, I have an idea

Why don't we just name the GNU/Linux operating system "Untitled OS" so we don't offend anyone?
We're all anonymous so nobody should mind not have a name for their OS either right?

This way we can all get on with our "lives"

>>58904430
Android isn't Linux. It's a fork, mangled by google.

>>58904444
>using the emotion with a carrot nose

I have some questions about installing Gentoo.

1. How do I clean a disk of all data using parted? The handbook says that using rm<n> will remove all partitions, but will it also clear all the data? I just want a dataless hard drive, with absolutely nothing on it. an -rm rf kinda deal.

2. Using GPT to boot. The handbook here https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Disks#Default:_Using_parted_to_partition_the_disk says to make /dev/sda2 a FAT32 FS for UEFI boot. However, making our file systems comes *after* this part of the handbook(creating our partitions), so is this just a warning for the future, on what to do with /dev/sda2 ?

3. Are the default cflags and cxxflags good enough? Found here https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Stage

4. What profile am I supposed to use? Like, for example, I know I want the stable KDE as my DE. So, what's the difference between profile 1, profile 4, and profile 8? For the record those are default/Linux/amd64/13.0, default/Linux/amd64/13.0/desktop/kde, and default/Linux/amd64/13.0/desktop/plasma.

I thought plasma *was* kde?

5. What do with @world? Do I need to update @world? I heard it takes forever.

6. Are the default USE variables any good? I'm not looking to be uber Nazi about not having GTK on my system, etc.

That is all.

>>58904460
>>>/r/eddit
>>>/t/umblr

>>58904460
what's wrong with that anime girl?

>>58904469
You cant ask these questions, its part of the gentoo experiance.

How do we fix /fglt/?

>>58904479
you never make stupid faces when satisfying an itch like when sticking a qtip in your ear, or having an orgasm?

>>58904477
I don't even know where to begin addressing whatever misconceptions you have about 4chan. Just lurk more I guess?

>>58904495
is she having an orgasm?

>>58904494
hammer and nails

>>58904494
Remove windows users.

>>58904505
she's an organism

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>>58904277
it it a good choice indeed.

>>58904534
I don't get it.

>>58904277
Stop falling for /g/ memes and stick to Debian.

>>58904366
try :help tutor

>>58904277
do not >>58904554
Arch is supreme

>>58904566
s/supreme/cancer/

>>58904418
No. You're just enabling shell hipsterism.

>>58904574
quiet you

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>>58904620
https://www.debian.org/women/

>>58904620
already running it
kill all males!

>>58904620
i prefer using libreboot to support those causes

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>tfw /g/ made me fell for the gnu/linux meme
Is kubuntu crap?
I'm unironically considering installing gentoo. Is it that bad for a linux virgin like me?

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>>58904620
>>58904624
just use ubuntu

>>58904635
>Is kubuntu crap?
no
>I'm unironically considering installing gentoo. Is it that bad for a linux virgin like me?
it's bad for everyone that doesn't have a precise/good reason to do so

>>58904469
Not sure what you're talking about with (1). That is the same as deleting all the data.
If you're asking about technically making it impossible to recover the data then that goes beyond just deleting shit (you know data doesn't actually get removed from the harddrive when deleting right? It just makes it available so it CAN be overwritten) you actually would need to scramble the data and also delete it if you want it to be unrecoverable (there are special tools for this).

2. Are you really sure you want to use UEFI? Seems like it causes more trouble than it's worth. Are you dual booting with Windows?

3. Yes.

4. DEFINITELY a "desktop" profile. Not sure what the difference is between kde and plasma though

5. @world is all packages you have manually installed. e.g. if you install package A and it pulls in package B and C then only package A gets added to your world list. Updating world is how you do a full system update.
P.S. you can install things without adding them to the @world file with --oneshot

6. What are the defaults? I thought the default in make.conf was just blank. But defaults should be fine

>>58904620
>>58904624
>>58904648
Why did we let this happen?

>>58904668
fedora doesn't have this problem

>>58904676
Go away Lennart

>>58904676
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Women

>>58904676
Not so fast hatniggers

https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/announcing-fedoras-diversity-adviser/

>>58904676
Fedora is already cucked by
- Microsoft
- RedHat
- NSA

>>58904668
>>58904668
>how do I attract maximum attention attention to myself?
>i'm going to juxtapose myself into an organization that is 99% male and claim they need my good tidings for their own good

>>58904691
the internet can't survive without me

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>>58904668
>tfw no Gentoo women

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>>58904620
>To this end, we provide a safe space for people of all genders and backgrounds

>>58904676
There is no reason to use fedora. It's bleeding edge, but not bleeding edge enough and has too small of a repo.

>waaaaaah why women use my <favourite distro> reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>58904676
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Diversity_Adviser

>>58904706
say that to Linus

>>58904716
>implying sjw are women

>>58904729
linus doesn't know shit bout what's going on in tech

>>58904729
Only because linus found debian too difficult to install and hasn't been bothered to change distros.

>>58904729
he doesn't give a fuck, as long as everything works out of the box with his particular setup at the moment.

>>58904751
>t. linus speaker

>>58904741
>>58904748
>>58904751
t. phd in shitpost

>>58904418
If /bin/sh doesn't point to bash and you want to be faster.

>>58904705
It's a dead meme site.

>>58904729
Who cares about Linus? Someone repill this guy about how Linus is supporting Microsoft, locked down hardware, kills FOSS delvelopement by sticking to GPLv2, being an egoistical faggot, doing nothing but approving commits to the kernel written by others and insulting them like a edgy tennager, being a lazy ass fag by dropping blobs instead of doing some work on FOSS drivers (but at the same time selling "The LINUX OS" as "free as in freedom", being an overall tech illiterate normie chatiing on Google+ where his friends "RedHat", etc are hanging out, rubbing their business cocks together.

Fuck this guy.

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>>58904702
yfw
https://twitter.com/aliceinwire

>>58904894
>REEEEE

>>58904243
That's exactly me, went from oobuntu to antergos, than to arch, gentoo, funtoo, and now I'm back to antergos.

>>58904899
thats a man baby

My distro cycle:

>install ubuntu
>stick to it
>...
>unity appeared
>switched to i3-gaps
>...
>still on ubuntu
did I do good

>>58904894
>tech illiterate
wewest of lads

>>58904953
ok

>>58904953
Well basically you did good, except that Canonical is a cancer, so I suggest to switch to Debian and do the same stuff you're already doing on Ubuntu.

>>58904658
1. I guess rm<n> will work. What I mean is, I have a failed Gentoo installation written on the hard drive currently. I would like to reset, and start from step 0.

2. I am not dual booting with windows. The instructions throughout the guide assume you are working with GPT. This is the only part in the handbook where you have to go out of your way to worry about ensuring gpt doesn't fuck up.

4. My first thought is that KDE is just a library of apps and tools, and that plasma is a specific design language and set up, where as KDE desktop is just a generic taskbar with apps. I may be wrong though.

5. Reading all that makes me feel like I should probably update @world for my profile...."fun".

6. The default may be blank but the handbook seems to indicate that it is not. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Base#Configuring_the_USE_variable

>>58904702
>runs gentoo
>wants 3DPD
dafuq?

>>58904974
Thought about it a while ago. Not sure which version of Debian I should choose tho.

>>58905002
I use stretch, sid broke often for me but I see its appeal. Don't go with stable unless you're okay with outdated (but rock solid) software.

>>58905002
Ubuntu is basically a frozen Debian Unstable (Sid), so either you get Debian Testing (which is exactly that) or better go straight unstable, which is as fragile like Arch, but comfy doe to apt-listbugs which tells you if something may break. Maybe try it in a VM for a while to see which version is what you want and if it works for you the way you want it.

>>58905031
other anon here, is there a difference between stretch and testing?

>>58905035
>>58905031
I heard bad things abou securtiy on testing and unstable, isn't stable the only debian with proper security??

>>58904982
1. Removing partitions in fdisk or similar only erases it from the partition table, it doesn't actually overwrite/remove any data. This isn't really a problem unless you are re-selling the disk and it has private stuff or something.

2. You basically need only two partitions, sda1 for /boot (UEFI) and sda2 for / (root). sda1 has to be fat32 and bootable. Make it 512MiB and format it with mkfs.fat -F32 /dev/sda1. Make sda2 ext4. You might also want a swap partition, you can make it sda3

4. KDE profile is for the old KDE4 desktop which is being deprecated. Plasma is the new stuff which you want.

5. You definately should update the system before installing Plasma etc.

6. Your profile will choose sane defaults, especially if you go with the reocmmended desktop profile, say plasma/desktop. You can set -gtk and -gnome USE flags if you want, or even mask gtk+ if you really, really don't want any gtk stuff. Portage will shout at you though, eg. when installing Firefox it will ask you to unmask gtk+3

>>58905083
AFAIK that's testing.
On stable you get patching by the Debian team.
On unstable you get the vanilla upsteam fixes.
On testing you need to stick for a while with what you have til unstable rolls into testing again.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

>>58905083
I'm not sure, I would assume they are less secure than stable because they are less mature.

>>58905060
Sid is where most of the development happens, testing is generally where things are fixed.

>>58904137

Nah, just
eix-sync
emerge -uDav world

>>58904748
Even arch is easier to install than debian.

>>58905109
>On testing you need to stick for a while with what you have til unstable rolls into testing again.
that shouldnt be bad since unstable stuff only comes into testing when there weren't any issus right?

>>58905174
top maymay

https://github.com/daedreth/URXVTConfig

ez rice, ez lyfe

>>58905191
>boot debian from usb
>the installer crashes
hmmmm

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>>58904382
I'd like to interject:
this has been a freak case, not a "relatively common mutation"

t. google

I don't want to post only to say that so I will add something relevant.

At what point did you get into linux fully as you're main OS. For me it was when I got games I cared about to work. For example the various emulators.

>>58905192
Is this your work? If so, here my 2 cents:

This is complete bullshit, nobody will ever use, since configuring a file is just too simple.

What you can do: Take what you have and add some epic functionality like

>browse for a picture
>get the top 15 average colors
>generate colorscheme

And maybe add suport for more X programs like xcalc, dmenu/rofi, etc.

>>58905192
Full retard. Should've made it a single page javascript piece of shit hosted on github.io.
Also >>58905233

>>58905233
>This is complete bullshit
looks comfy to be honest
>do one thing and do it well
KISS

>>58903865
put back distrowatch you jew

>>58905256
kys distrowatch is cancer trolling newfriends into linux mint

>>58905192
Hi! I'm not gonna hate on this. That looks slick, keep it up

>>58905252
this
>>58905233
>pls bloat my shit up

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>>58905271
fuck you

>current year
>not using terminology

>>58905309
CTRL

+

ALT

+

F1

fastest, best, one and only terminal

>>58905099
1. Well see that was the initial point of my question...how do I overwrite/remove data? My first thought when installing an OS is, well, lets make sure I have a clean platter, or atleast a clean platter on the allotted partition.

are you saying I don't need to worry about that, because it will be overwritten eventually anyways...?

>>58905299
he apogilized, stop posting old memes

>>58905299
top kek
>>58905309
>current year
>using anything but urxvt

>>58905323
but my xsession is on tty1

>>58905337
>current year
>using urxvt
ISHIGGY

>>58905343
system:DDDDDDDDDDDDD

>>58905361
i use busybox

iptables: IN=wlp5s0 OUT= MAC=<redacted> SRC=2a03:2880:f11c:8083:face:b00c:0000:25de DST=<redacted> LEN=136 TC=0 HOPLIMIT=55 FLOWLBL=0 PROTO=TCP SPT=443 DPT=48724 WINDOW=118 RES=0x00 ACK URGP=0 

why the fuck is facebook sending me random TCP packets? I don't even have facebook.

>>58905299
http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=775

>>58905369
DDDDDDDDDDDD:

>>58905369
you don't

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>>58905343
that guy is just memeing friendo

>>58905337
I'm using "termite" personally. But I just had to look up the name of it because wtf what's so critical about a terminal. The only thing I'm missing is, that it doesn't autocomplete/suggest options to commands.

But other than that it must be another non-choice. But full disclosure i only do very basic commands in the shell, like greping other basic shit

>>58905403
>The only thing I'm missing is, that it doesn't autocomplete/suggest options to commands.
Fucking secondaries on /fglt/ don't even know the difference between a terminal and a shell. Kill yourself right now.

I used to have Google Drive and Microsoft OneDrive on Windows 10, where they would appear as regular directories. I installed gnome-online-accounts but it's missing some features. Is this the best way to use personal cloud storage on linux? I'm not opposed to using a new thing if a better integrated one for linux exists

>>58905426
autism the post

>>58905333
To be honest I've seen all kinds of memes about Linux Mint and that picture is nothing compared.

>>58905466
>/fglt/ is a good threa-

>>58905331
Yeah, I wouldn't worry about it unless you're re-selling the disk. Writing zeroes to the disk takes a long time. However, if you're on an SSD, there's a quick way to erase all data (although some bugged SSDs don't support it properly).

I boot Ubuntu Live off a thumb drive to do this. The SSD is always frozen but a quick suspend and re-login fixes that. Then you can run the necessary commands

https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/ATA_Secure_Erase

>>58905337
>>58905348
>not st
my special snowflake terminal emulator > your special snowflake terminal emulator

>>58905506
>no scrollback
someone forgot to take the trash out. dwm was the last good suckless project.

>>58905403
>termite
how do you even use it with that vimkey stuff? does it support emacs keys?

>>58905506
just use xterm faggots

>>58905548
this

>>58905548
xterm has been shit since before you were born, kiddo

>>58904175
It breaks the X windows system.

This may hurt some people ITT, but the gnome-terminal is the most lightweight and fastest terminal currently around. Great font support, great VT100 ANSI support and the speed is amazing.

If not gnome-terminal, get a terminal built on it's engine.

>>58905532
it supports C-a start C-e end and C-w kill word..
Probably more, but I don't know using different emacs bindings myself

also like to point out that I hate that copy/pase is C-shift-c/v. This is where emacs' *eshell* is total king, but it has to be started from emacs... and it fails with some stuff or bloats emacs with buffers, which is not very comfy

>>58905571
>gnome-terminal is the most lightweight and fastest terminal currently around
I've measure nothing and even so I know that this is wrong.

>>58905562
[cititation needed]
>>58905568
ebin meem

>>58905571
I thought so too, and by thought I mean I like it cause I knew it from baby-buntu, but it doesn't work well in my tiling-window manager -> into the trash it goes

rate my screenrc

# don't display copyright page
startup_message off

# remove tab-completion flash in heading bar
vbell off

# enable 256 color term on X
term screen-256color

# prevents less, vi, etc. from clobbering the screen contents and leaving their gunk behind after exiting
altscreen on

# keep 1000 scrollback lines
defscrollback 1000

# switch windows with "," (prev) and "." (next)
bind ',' prev
bind '.' next

# navigating regions with Ctrl-arrows
bindkey "^[[1;5D" focus left
bindkey "^[[1;5C" focus right
bindkey "^[[1;5A" focus up
bindkey "^[[1;5B" focus down

# KEY BINDINGS
# everything with "firejail --net=eth0" is sanboxed with firejail 
bind e screen vim
bind E screen kpcli
bind y screen firejail --net=eth0 netsurf-fb
bind o screen mocp

also, what's yours?

>>58905331
Removing the partition is functionally the same as erasing all the data.
If you want a clean slate just delete the partition and add a new one, that's it. Following the Gentoo Handbook already has you do it this way, when you delete the partitions in fdisk or parted and then add them back, and also in the subsequent steps of formatting them with the filesystems you want you have a clean slate.

What everyone is trying to explain to you though is that _technically_ the data is still there, it just doesn't matter.

Think like a computer. You have a table that tells you where all the files are. The table says chunk X is used by a file.
When you want to delete the file is it more efficient for you to go and write a whole shitload of 0's over the file to make sure it's scrubbed clean? Or is it easier just to change the table and say "X is free now"?
Computers do the later.

As far as any normal user is concerned the data is gone, and it very well may be overwritten soon by other files meaning it really will be 100% gone. But before it's overwritten it's technically still there, but that only matters to you if you wear a tinfoil hat.

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Reminder to buy DRM free games at https://www.gog.com/games?system=lin_mint,lin_ubuntu&sort=bestselling&page=1

Recommend me a good GNU/Linux gamer podcast.

>>58905571
Xfce4-terminal is even lighter.
Speaking of Gnome:

$ apt -s install gnome
[...]
0 upgraded, 706 newly installed

706 packages? Why is this allowed?

>>58906027
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHc8_m9SWCI

>>58906090
gnome isn't the proper package retard

>>58904249

>using GNU Parted
>not using gdisk

shiggy diggy doooooo

>>58906173
>using gdisk
>not using GNU parted

>>58906141
>Description: Full GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components
>This is the GNOME Desktop environment, an intuitive and attractive desktop, with extra components.

>>58906187
you need the meta package
gnome-desktop

>>58904479

>anime girl
>anime

>>58906198
>N: Unable to locate package gnome-desktop

>>58904534
>not using tewisay, available in the AUR

>>58904550
It's referring to Lawyers as shit.

>>58906198
it's just gnome, retard

>>58903865
Dude, the other pasta was better.

>>58906264
no

>>58906267
Yes.

>>58906289
no

>>58906295
Yes, people want a change OP.

>>58906305
>t. people

>>58906311
>3 freetards who are having an irl heart attack that it changed

>>58906311
>t.
you should learn how to use that before you try to show '>people' how retarded you are

>>58906090
How about gnome-core?

>>58906340
if you want to break your system, go ahead

>>58906311
Come on OP.

God damnit completion.

>Install Kubuntu
>First restart after install
>fails to shutdown so have to shutdown using power button
>now it wont stop booting into emergency recovery console
>Only way to bypass it is through the recovery mode in GRUB
>have to run dpkg, wait for it to fail and restore files then continue into OS
>Try to download and make a bootable mint image instead
>unetbootin keeps saying the usb key isn't mounted even though it is
>gparted and kde partition manager show the usb key fine, can reformat etc
>finally got unetbootin working eventually
>left laptop alone for 5 minutes, came back and locked screen
>tried to type password but computer had completely locked up

FUCK THIS

>>58906373
Y-you too.

>>58905572

Do what I did and use ROXTerm. It's basically a GNOME Terminal replica, but without GNOME. I used it when I wanted a GNOME Terminal-like terminal, but in my tiling WM setup.

https://hyper.is/

>>58906256
>GNOME (pronounced gah-nohm or nohm) is a desktop environment that aims to be simple and easy to use. It is designed by The GNOME Project and is composed entirely of free and open-source software. GNOME is a part of the GNU Project.

>>58906408
disgusting

>>58906408
>click
>browser freezes
t-thanks

>>58906408
Why isn't there an init system made in javascript?

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>>58906408
>JS/HTML/CSS Terminal

>>58906472
Probably there is, I remember a kernel made in node.js.

>>58906551
http://www.jnode.org/

>>58906591
Mmm, I am not against Java, this could be useful. Thanks.

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any idea what's going on here? if there's even an issue and if I can 'fix' it?

It's been almost 3 years and the HiDPI struggle is becoming less and less of a thing.
Where my HiDPI bros at?

This is probably a stupid question, but which flavour is the easiest to make look like windows? My aunt keeps getting viruses and I'm sick of it. I'm going to pretend to upgrade her to windows 10 and need a distro to rice into windows.

>>58906623
looks like a bug to me

>>58906925
win95, win7 or what version? check chicago95, is a xubuntu theme to mimic win95

>>58906925
never, I just used google to find a theme http://www.noobslab.com/2017/01/do-you-like-windows-10-look-but-love.html

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How to fix this broken thumbs on xfce?

>>58907068
delet broken thumbs
let rebuild

>>58907068
compton

>>58907068
>broken thumbs
get well soon

>>58907018
>>58906987
That looks good, thank you

Once I've installed Apparmor and set to enforcing mode, do I have to write the rules for each individual program myself or does it do it automatically?

>>58907095
kek

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>>58903958

How do you goys feel about adding your real name to your gpg key? Many projects require it

>>58904082
why would you include the -f for man and sudo? when would you ever man a file or sudo a file that was not a command?

>>58907148
Which disc should I download to test it in a vm? I don't understand the contents in the isos http://www.slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php

>>58907239
When you want to run a file as root for instance? For man it doesn't make much sense, right. On the other hand, why writing 2 lines.

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>dig through the apt manuals
>mfw apt can generate dependency graphics
based debian

>>58907316
Forgot the command to generate this shit:

apt-cache -o APT::Cache::GivenOnly=1 dotty scrot | dot -T png > out.png

Have fun.

>>58907316
wtf i love apt now!

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>>58907316
lel

>>58907238
you dont have a pen name?

I guess distros don't ship with fdk-aac because they don't want people who sell copies to be sued for violating Fraunhofer's forced-free license, but I guess my question would be, who on earth would buy let alone sell a copy of a free distro?

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Can anyone somehow educate me on the linux userspace?

Why do I need...

...gvfs?
...dbus?
...udev?
...rtkit?
...polkit?
...gnome-keyring?
...pam?

I am not asking why they exist, I get that. I am asking why I need them, why are they dependencies for my desktop? Either Gnome, Cinnamon or whatever. Even LDXE wants them.

I recently started -x'ing some binaries. Most of gvfs, gnome-keyring...

My system still works.

But sometimes it breaks:

chmod -x on rtkit-daemon and pulseaudio will not run and as a result the session will not start! Not joking.

So PLEASE linux folks tell me: Why do I need that whole shit?

Why do I need fucking polkit and pam? Why are groups + permissions not sufficient? More exactly: Why are polkit and pam fucking dependencies? Why not simple "useradd -G hibernate/shutdown/$WHATEVER $USER".

Why do I need gvfs? I don't use computer://, I don't use any fucking smb:// or apple shit. Why can the trash not be a fucking folder? (I know that it is a folder, but why can't a file manager simple have it's own?!)

Why - in gods fucking name - do I need dbus for a mostly static machine running a fucking desktop? Once the machine is running killing all dbus services and disableing them and it keeps running.

Why does chromium need to store keyrings? I don't have ANY!

I am an advanced user, but I am not a fucking weirdo who sets up his own DE. Why is there no simple way to just stop services and reconfigure this shit? No DE allows me that without breaking it.

BTW: what the fuck does accounts-daemon actually do? All I noticed is that console logins take longer to start but the still work.

tl;dr why is GNU+Linux so messy? Why is the architecture so fucked?

>>58907381
Read what each one of them does and then come back with specific questions

>>58907381
GNU/Linux*

>>58907381
why are you using chromium
it's botnet

>>58907148
The 32-bit version is offered on either CD or DVD, the assumption being 32-bit computers might be old and therefore not have DVD drives.
The letters stand for package groups.
http://slackbook.org/html/installation-requirements.html#INSTALLATION-SOFTWARE-SERIES
an easy way to choose what you want to include without having to go through all the packages by hand, and splitting it up across the discs makes it easier for people who, for example, don't need/want KDE or X
Source code is included because that's one of the design philosophies of Slackware - always include source for all packages on official distribution media. For convenience, the DVD version puts it on a separate disc. You don't need to to download it unless you want it. Source/headers for the kernel are included as a package already.

You can also do a "network" installation and then all you need is the ~35MB USB image that contains the installation environment.
http://mirrors.slackware.com/slackware/slackware64-current/usb-and-pxe-installers/

when you get to the source selection part of the setup, choose http/ftp, then the hostname would be
http://mirrors.slackware.com/
and the location would be
slackware/slackware64-current/slackware64
That way it just downloads packages directly from the -current tree.

There's also a live edition made by one of the devs: http://docs.slackware.com/slackware:liveslak
But since Slackware just uses vanilla everything, I imagine it would be just like using any other distro except no distro-specific branding/themeing

>>58907420
meant to quote >>58907254

>>58907381
Not even memeing: install gentoo. It's actually possible to use without all that shovelware

>>58907397
I am sorry. Did I trigger you?
>GANOO PLUSS LEEEHNOOOX

>>58907412
Me:
>I work for the NASA and need help compiling for a specific 70ies computing platform.
You:
>Why don't you use a raspberry? They are way MOOORE powerful and cheap.

>>58907254
Slackware makes a shit ton of packages available in its installation media so it can be thrown on boxes that are airgapped or on shitty tubes. just grab the DVD and have at it.

>>58903865
I just started using linux and I want to know if using manjaro is too humiliating

>>58907506
Just use arch

>>58907381
>gvfs
for mounting some filesystems, even isos if I recall
>dbus
poetteringware alert, the idea is good but the implementation is kind of scare, would not tell more (fanboys are always watching)
>udev
device management
>rtkit
>polkit
>gnome-keyring
is all to supplant pam imho

All those are were required dependencies because freedesktop became a circlejerk thanks to RedHat.

Ultimately the only way to escape is going to a source based distro.

>>58907506
Is not, don't let the bullies win.

>>58907514
I tried installing it, I'm a retard

>>58907394
I have read on them all, it does not make sense to use them if you are somewhat static in your needs and somewhat advanced as an user.

I have no background in CS, I am just a user. In the past you would have called me a poweruser. Sometimes I hack, in perl, sh, bash and C.

The problem is that these services/binaries/libraries are dependencies. It is not possible to run any modern DE without them even if you do not need them at all. Simply disabeling some specific ones just makes any DE - that I have tested - crash right after login.

>>58907537
Arch is a meme distro anyway, Manjaro is just fine.

>>58907541
Dont use a kitchen sink DE and expect to have everything disabled by default

>>58904466
>carrot

>>58907449
I am already considering that, but I am fucking scared to actually do it.

I am also scared that even then it would be a nightmare to escape that hell.

>>58907518
I have read alot on dbus. The thing is: I don't need it. I am static. I only mount usb storage. I could write a simple script and at the same time make pam obsolete because I could simply add a group that has the right to mount.

The freedesktop thing... I noticed that there was something wrong when I read their specs on *.desktop files and icon locations -.-

>>58907381
>>58907518
> the only way to escape is going to a source based distro
Or Slackware, which doesn't have GNOME or systemd or udev (replaced with eudev) or rtkit or pam, and where you don't have to care about dependencies for basic shit your system needs (you really shouldn't for the most part anyway).

>>58907541
Seriously, just use Slackware. If you're a "poweruser" who has no problem with bash/perl/C and you get frustrated by forced dependencies and monstrously complex DEs, Slackware intentionally avoids complex packages to maintain simplicity and the package manager won't care if you start ignoring dependencies because it ignores them too.

Also, if you don't like all the shit that comes with DEs, why use one at all?

>>58907553
I would actually agree with you. But I don't want to spend time on making my own. I like cinnamon and its panel, I do like nemo. I like that I get hardware acceleration without changing a single configuration. I like these easy-but-not-so-simple linux distributions.

But there has to be some way to escape that whole software stack that is unneeded

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Rate my custom folder icon. First time making an icon so be gentle.

>>58907514
>>58907534
>>58907552
thank you for the replies

I keep seeing a lot of anons mentioning debian, should I give it a try?

>>58907083
It's a problem with xfce, not with thumbs.

>>58907089
i'm already using compton, do you have a good config for it?

I am actually surprised fanboys haven't appeared thus far.

Usually when we name the devil or one of his works they make themselves apparent.

>>58907648
WAAAA I WANT (((THINGS))) BUT I DONT WANT TO HAVE OTHER THINGS HAPPEN
WAAA I WANT (((THINGS))) BUT IM TOO LAZY TO DO ANYTHING SO IM GOING TO WHINE

>software stack
>escape
Yeah dont use a fucking de retard

>>58907624
Try Gentoo in a VM first? Learning Portage will take you a while, especially as you're trying to for an ultra minimal approach without dbus, udev etc. but it's possible.

Some autists have done it before https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev

You can disable USE flags globally
https://packages.gentoo.org/useflags/dbus
https://packages.gentoo.org/useflags/udev

Definitely Gentoo is the way to go. Or maybe something like Void but I don't know, they probably hard depend on udev, dbus etc.

>>58907640
I guess that I am just scared. I switched from XP about 8 years ago and now I feel like taking the next step is gonna be an even bigger one.

I actually enjoy many aspects of modern and easy distributions.

>>58907658
So comfy.

Share it with us.

>>58907669
Take your awesome i3 and get off my lawn while I enjoy my hardware accelerated modern desktop. Thank you.

>>58907738
I dont use i3
You dont need anything accelerated in your wm

>>58907694
Modern and easy is just relative.

I myself am going to Source Mage, but I agree with the guys moving to Slackware and Gentoo. Is like the ultimate step we've been left because a circlejerk won on those modern distros.

>>58907694
Slackware is both "modern" and "easy".
You shouldn't fear it, especially if you are already an "advanced user".
Seriously m8, it is intuitive as fuck and it lets you do whatever you want and unlike Gentoo it has binary packages for almost everything and unlike Arch you can hit [Enter] through the installer a bunch of times and end up with a fully functional, complete system in about 30 minutes.
And did I mention it doesn't have systemd? Which means the whole initialization/startup sequence is done through simple to understand/modify scripts?
And if you really want to start hacking the fuck out of it, the package manager will just merge any changes you make into the new versions?
It really is the ideal distro for lazy people who want to spend as little as possible configuring their system but don't want to jump through hurdles when they actually want to make changes.

>>58907702
Really you like it? I was expecting to be torn down to know how to improve it.

I basically wanted something with the appearance of some texture. Like oldschool icons had color dithering which gave folders the appearance of being all grainy. Now everything I can find on gnome-look is all smooth and shiny.

Not sure where to upload svg files so I just threw it here: http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=01034231744350385037

>>58907749
Tearing windows and my powerbill could not disagree more. Am I missing something?

>>58907673
It seems that either slack or gentoo shall be my comrades.

How to I escape the neverending horror that is Networkmanager/Pulseaudio/Systemd?

>>58907846
gento

>>58907846
get familiar with config files, for example /etc/networks¡/interfaces gives you internet, /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf can be all you need to make sound work, and learn another init

>>58907775
Thank you for your recommendation!

>>58907787
init - I still remember you like it was just two releases ago...

The thing is that I actually DON'T WANT to hack. It just seems to be necessary because everything looks like shit once you (I) have gone through your whoa-I-can-do-stuff-that-no-other-OS-allows-me-to-do phase

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>>58907846
You know the answer.

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All autists unite, no more REEEing at lenny potter, it's time for gentoo, the distro for (You)

>>58904137
I sure did!
And it broke my setup because X renamed my fonts

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>>58907891
>gentoo, the distro for (You)

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help
qutebrowser

>>58907846
Is pulseaudio really that bad though?

I don't see people really sperg out over pulse anymore like they used to, and it's just so damn convenient.

One day I realized I wanted to play music over the mic in an online game to piss people off, and it was a breeze to do with pulse, just set the output of my music player to the input of the game recording in pavucontrol.
Can't imagine how much it would suck to try and do that with just alsa.

It seems similarly useful when doing things like hooking up my PC to a TV and telling it to send the audio to my TV instead, in alsa it was more annoying and unpredictable.

I get that systemD sucks because it doesn't really improve anything. I've heard it said that systemd makes things easier for developers rather than users.
But pulseaudio definitely makes some things easier

>>58907947
Pulse was buggy on its launch, and today probably a simple script can do more and better.

Check apulse.

>>58907876
>The thing is that I actually DON'T WANT to hack.
No mature user does. But when you have to, it should be as simple as possible, ne? Besides, Slackware provides a really sane configuration for everything OOTB. It's made for people who just want their system to work. Give it a spin on a secondary computer or VM, you won't be disappointed.

>>58907947
Why is every audio not just a simple file in /dev/audio or something?

cat /dev/playerpid >/dev/gamepid

also
>game
>pulseaudio is linux
>game
>on linunx

>>58907999
>Why is every audio not just a simple file in /dev/audio or something?
I don't know if this is a joke or not, but it sounds pretty awesome actually.

Why isn't it like that?

>>58908016
Fuck it, it's not a joke.

I am the guy who wrote >>58907381

>>58908016
Just to clarify: I am asking why it is not that why because I am really asking myself that.

you check which modules are available

$ cat /proc/asound/modules

then you edit alsa-base.conf with the module corresponding the device you want to use

$ vi /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf

just in case someone wonders how to live painlessly without pulseaudio

>>58903865

>>58908032
>>58908043
Fuck. I've always gotten the sense that shit was fairly messy, but I didn't know it was stuff that actually looks like it should be easy to get rid of and/or never have been required in the first place.

But damnit, I can't get that audio thing out of my head now. It would just be so fucking nice if it worked that way. I've had nightmares just trying to record audio before and it doing some weird stuff.
cat /dev/audio/pid > file
would be great

>>58908096
?

next thread >>58908119

>>58908096
>>58908135
Is that what you mean?

>>58907673
gtk+ with X support requires at-spi2-atk which requires dbus. So to my knowledge you can't escape dbus easily.

>>58908113
I don't think that unix work that way, but, having an interprocess communication standard would be cool. DBus was supposed to address that, but you can guess how easy became a cluseterfuck.

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This pic should be on the OP sometime. Is meaningful.

>>58908096

>>58908180
I totally forgot about at-spi2-atk. I also chmodded -x that shit.

>>58908189
Of course it does not work that way. All the background stuff aside, the only middle man should be a fucking simple script that manages some dev/nodes and points them to /dev/audio/stdout or something.

That dbus shit is shit because... well it uses sockets as far as I know. It does not really help, it's just creep and abstraction that could have been a fucking simple script.

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Hi, I'm using KDE and was trying to mass add all of my wallpapers but it seems to only allow one at a time.
also only about two months into Arch (see scrot usage), be gentle

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>>58908180
but can't you compile it without that dependency?

trying to make spotify always open in workspace 5 in i3. using this:

set $workspace5 "5: Music"
assign [class="Spotify"] $workspace5

when I start spotify it opens in the current window. it seems i don't have ther right window class name or something, because that config line works for any other program. how do I make it work?

>>58908180
BTW I am a strong accessibility supporter. I just want to deactivate it without breaking desktops and flooding my logs with error messages.

>>58908324
have you tried checking the class name with xprop?

>>58908214
enjoy

New: >>58908354

>>58908338
class name is either Spotify or spotify. google says it's a bug and that spotify doesn't set it's window name early enough, and that you cant do much about it.

>>58908356
there is one already up genius

>>58908356
I'd like to interject for a moment >>58908119

>>58908378
deleted

>>58904294
Honestly I wish I could, but it just isn't suitable for a daily driver, but it would consider installing it on a virtual machine just for shits and giggles, what distro would you reccomend?

>>58904175
It will check the repos defined in your pacman.conf file for package updates. Basically, it's the command you run to ensure all your packages are up to date.

>>58904185
When a distro comes out that is better than Gentoo & Arch.

Which will be never.

>>58904193
http://lmgtfy.com/?iie=1&q=how+to+delete+a+partition+in+linux

>>58906373
It just WORKS