AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Krauts confirmed for too stupid to enjoy freedom.

>>58894733
Linuxvirgin BTFO

Where do people use red hat anymore because I haven't seen a linux server in a small/medium business since I started working in IT support 7 years ago

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>using the least user friendly OS as a desktop for workers?

>>58894955
It's probably cheaper for a small and medium size business to use Windows. I worked at a large corporation before and they use Linux and Windows.

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>>58894729
But W10 will be downlevel in 2020

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>>58894729
DELETE THIS

LINUX BEST, WANBLOWS IS TRASH

>>58894729
Will this FINALLY, make linux put their shit togheter and make a user friendly enviroment? Shit exists for fucking ages and you still have to type bulshit commands to do what you could do with a click of a mouse or should happen automatically.

>>58895216
Nah man, Linux will continue to have 242 window managers that suck.

>>58895216
If you read the fucking article you would see the problem wasn't with the OS it was with the lack of updates and vendor support from the likes of SAP. Hardly loonicks fault

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Friendly reminder, Microshills probably paid off the Munich council to do this

>>58895271

Lack of support for anything comes from low marketshare, that's defo loonix fault for being user unfriendly so most normies will pick windooz.

>>58895289
LINUX IS SHIT, YOU ARE BTFO'D

>>58894955
almost everyone uses rhel who works at IBM

> A city official said that no matter what organization he talked to within the city, they all explained that their productivity was suffering because of the Linux system that they were using.

>... the idea is generally that Linux setups are cheaper than a Microsoft solution as you do not have to pay licensing fees but what Munich experienced is that Linux was much more expensive. Why is it more expensive? That's because the city had to hire programmers to build out functionality that they needed and then had to pay the staff to maintain the software.

>The city is now in the process of jumping back to a Microsoft solution and is now converting those 9000+ machines back to Windows.


AHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

>>58895216
GNOME 3 already exists

>>58895271
From the user perspective, nobody cares whether it's the kernel, the OS or the third parties. Unusable = unusable.

>>58895311
reddit post

>>58895271
if i make an app called addition that is optimised for single and multicore use and only adds numbers together, defaults to a gui but can be configured to be cli and the gui scales infinitly why would i ever push an upgrade

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>>58894729
hahaha linax salty tears!

>>58895289
SUSE MARKETERS ON FULL DAMAGE CONTROL!!!

Damn, I feel bad for linux. Both home users and companies hate them. I mean Munich actually gave linux a shot but is now going to revert back to Microsoft. That's a huge punch in the gut for linux fans.

>>58895271
>Beign this new
The project was kickstarted back in 2003/4 migration took more than 10 years. There were multiple problems with users trying to get used to OpenOffice.
The OpenOffice migration caused huge problems due a massive amount of macros that had to be ported.
I personally don't buy the muh suppliers argument, mostly because of Munich mayor is a proprietary cuck, but I don't believe the savings they reported are properly measured.

>>58895289
>ANY POST CONTAINING SOMETHING I DON'T LIKE IS SHILLING HURR DURR
do you realize how pathetic you sound?

>>58895717
But it's actually true, MS moved theirs offices to Munich when they changed mayors, and he assigned the study to Accenture which is a MS partner. How's this is not shilling in it's purest form?

>>58895510
>implying i care

There are a bunch of cities, villages converted to linux. Ms can't build their memecenter everywhere, where they converted to linux thanks to the media coverage of limux, so in the end, they became the real losers and we got a friendly reminder what is Ms for real.

Mayor was bribed. Everyone knows

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>>58895881
>so in the end, they became the real losers and we got a friendly reminder what is Ms for real.

>>58895962
Stay mad.

>implying Linux getting popular with normalshits would be a good thing
>implying Micropajeet can't go fuck themselves

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>>58896161
>>58895921
>>58895851
>>58895345
>>58895289
>>58894733

>This level of delusion from Linux fanboys

Friendly reminder that Linux is only free if your time has no value.

>>58896226
MS has been known to do it (not shilling, paying corps who use Linux to move over and giving them free licensing for X years)

It's not like it's bad thing though, MS is allowed to have marketing/PR too - giving away (and even paying) companies to use their software is great exposure.

Look at the OP's story - the fact that we're all discussing this means MS made good on that investment.

>>58894955
>Where do people use red hat anymore
Internet facing services. Linux server share as a whole is down because businesses are getting to the point they only need a server for active directory and other internal services, and can just buy in everything else from a hosted provider. Like, why would any small or medium business run their own mail server? You'd either have to go for a Windows Server solution, which is complete hell. Or go for a Linux solution, which likely means buying more hardware and training/hiring someone to manage it. Much easier to pay a monthly fee to Microsoft or Google and have them deal with it.

Really, the whole IIS+Exchange+Microsoft DNS trifecta is going to fuck off into the cloud and all that will be left are local instances of AD, network shares and group policies. If Office 365 doesn't just kill of those too.

>>58895324
>That's because the city had to hire programmers to build out functionality that they needed and then had to pay the staff to maintain the software.
Must suck being those programmers. Going from full-time employment developing and supporting software written locally by your own city for your own city, to being unemployed while your city uses software from a massive American company that pays Indians to support it.

>>58895289
/thread

>>58895289
Yes, obvious point is obvious.
>the 2014 arrival of a new lord mayor, Dieter Reiter of the Social Democratic Party (SPD), spelled trouble
>"The mayor was against free software from the beginning," said Matthias Kirschner, the president of Free Software Foundation Europe (FSFE). "When he was elected, he took pride in getting Microsoft to move their office to Munich [a move that took place last September]. He even gave this study to Accenture, which is a Microsoft partner."

What I want to know is who they paid for Linux in the early 2000's?
>The migration, which involved some 15,000 PCs and a reported cost of over €30m ($32m)

>>58896415
Themselves.

Rolling out a new OS (even a new Windows Version) costs roughly about that much once you consider how many extra contractors you'll need for the rollout and support.
15k PC/40euro an hour is ~54hours per machine total time.

Backuping up userdata, retraining, contingency planning, the actual rollout, extra support required after change, etc - I can see 54 hours there all up.

>>58896480
Actually it's not even that much, since you cost double what you're being paid.

~20 hours per machine once overheads and extra pay for project manager/admin leads/etc are accounted for.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InSyFrd9hS0

He will find a work, but he should ask a stylist too.

>>58896623
Who's that semen demon?

>>58895216
This, honestly

There's a hundred million desktop environments and they're all fucking garbage compared to what Windows has since Win7, lacking basic conveniences and overall feeling like you're using Windows 98 again except even worse

It's so fucking dumb that using a plain window manager or even just the terminal in Linux is more enjoyable than trying to use a full desktop environment, best out-of-the-box experience on Linux is definitely a plain WM like i3 since everything just werks and keyboard shortcuts all make sense instead of being assbackwards like XFeces Ctrl+Shift+Alt+PgDown+F12+Return to open a fucking application menu. Not to mention those 1 pixel wide window borders that you can never fucking grab to resize a window or lack of thumbnail file picker because apparently freetards have no grasp of what basic functionality is.

Every DE requires hours of tweaking to even resemble something a human being would want to use and in the end it doesn't even come close to what Windows or OSX offers. Anybody saying otherwise is lying to themselves.

>>58895289
i bet most of pic related was probably just shitposting to get (You)s

>>58895097
>linux is more user friendly than windows
literally what the fuck
what drugs are you on

>>58894729
Reports like these have been plenty in the past. They were all wrong.-

>>58894729
Such is life when you have an OS that doesn't work out of the box on any machine and requires a lot of fiddling to get it working and whenever you get into problems, you have to make complains online before getting answers. So short sum, linux is only worth your time if your time is worth nothing.

>>58894729
The AfD will put an end to that. They demand the government to be using open-source software.

>>58895851
MS was in Munich before
they were located in Unterschleißheim before opening the new offices in Munich

if you think that's some jewish conspiracy you are retarded

>>58896826
there were multiple problems with linux
1) new employees need further education because Microsoft products like Office are used in education.
2) most enterprise software used by administration is only available for windows and one client isnt enough to get linux versions developed and supported.
3) being the only linux guy in a system full of windows leads to hundreds of small problems. missing drivers for some very specific hardware, incompability with file types etc. created more work than it saved.

in the end, and with some heavy lobying from microsoft of course, munich decided its just not worth it.

>>58897078
first time I hear that
source?

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>>58897098
Their party program. Only have it in German.
https://www.alternativefuer.de/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2016/05/2016-06-27_afd-grundsatzprogramm_web-version.pdf

>>58897124
thanks
good thing I am German

>Quelloffen
rofl

>>58894729
Not that I expected otherwise, but I doubt the municipal workers will be able to handle windows 10 either

>>58897078
wtf I love nazis now

>>58897098
>>58897140
Ganz Ehrlich, ich werde sie nicht wählen weil sie in vielen Punkten einfach nur lächerlich ist.

Aber ich habe das Parteiprogramm mal überflogen und war überrascht diese Positionen zu finden.

>>58897163
Die Anti-EU-Politik und ihre Umweltpolitik sind absoluter Scheiß, aber jede Partei im Moment hat Punkte, wegen denen man sie nicht wählen kann. Was willst denn sonst wählen? CDU wieder? Die Linken faschos? Die Grünen? Die heuchelnde SPD? Ohne Spaß, die Wahl wird auf jeden Fall enttäuschend. Egal was rauskommt, es wird extrem beschissen.

Besides the real issues that linux has (let's face it, we all love linux, but it is far from perfect), it was mostly idiot administration and stupid worker drones.
And I am 100% sure, their new, improved windows will also fail, because it will certainly not be the winXP with office 97 that the office drones wanted.
In the German articles about it, you often hear
>we could not get the apps we needed
but never any real names, always just abstract. Sure, there are departments in a city that need a certain proprietary app, but most office drones just need office. And those will get even more confused when they will have to adapt that that fancy newfangled ribbon thing in a few years.

also:
>https://www.heise.de/ix/meldung/Von-Linux-zurueck-zu-Microsoft-Schwarz-Rot-in-Muenchen-will-LiMux-rauswerfen-3621178.html
I think the key problem is in this German article about their return:
>Demnach soll zunächst ein neuer "Windows-Basis-Client" entwickelt und bis Ende 2020 eine "stadtweit einheitliche Client-Architektur" geschaffen werden.
Translation:
>We will develop a new windows basic client, and roll out a uniform citywide client architecture unitl 2020
Those fuckers don't buy ready solutions, but they have to do everything themselves. As they did with their linux, btw. Instead of buying RH or suse, or using some slightly modified free LTS distro, they too ubuntu 12 LTS or something, and then developed their new distro on that.
So shit is ancient and closed.
And now they repeat the same with their hardware. Instead of buying a truckload of clients with some adaptions to their specs, they are going to fucking "develop" their own hardware, taking 3 years for it.
Fucking retards, wasting my money.

>>58897093
>new employees need further education because Microsoft products like Office are used in education.
Bullshit, everything from primary schools to universities makes their students use Open- or LibreOffice.
>most enterprise software used by administration is only available for windows and one client isnt enough to get linux versions developed and supported.
Not an argument, as you don't need Windows-based administration software if you only use Linux systems.
>being the only linux guy in a system full of windows leads to hundreds of small problems. missing drivers for some very specific hardware, incompability with file types etc. created more work than it saved.
This is only the case if you're some random dumbfuck who decided to install Linux on his workstation. Also the file type incompatibility doesn't matter because pretty much all of the German government and education has been using open file formats like ODF or LaTeX for years.

>>58897124
WTF, I love AfD now!

>captcha:
>Hiltern sheep

>>58897124
wtf ich liebe die AfD jetzt

>>58897205
Wählt die PARTEI, denn sie ist gut!

>>58897205
Ich persönlich plane eine von diesen Spaß- und Protestparteien zu wählen, bin mir allerdings noch nicht sicher, ob ich Die Partei oder die FDP wähle.

>>58894955
>small/medium
maybe because you're a shit admin that works in small/medium businesses?

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>>58897223
>>58897224
Meine Negers

>>58897033
Linux is a fucking kernel. Is that hard to understand?

Anyway, Antergos, Manjaro, *buntu, Fedora and Mint are objectively more user friendly than Windows 10.

As a Linux kernel enthusiast, I respect the freedom of others to run whatever OS they want to.

>>58897351
>respecting the right to deny others freedom
that's not very Linux kernel enthusiast-like

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>>58897313
>objectively more user friendly than Windows 10.

>>58897313
>Linux is a fucking kernel. Is that hard to understand?
please contain your autism
>objectively more user friendly than Windows 10.
have a (You), you master of baits

>>58894733
Bavaria's not Germany, they are the Americans of Germany. Most German ppl are stupid too tho

>build your own OS ever being useful for productivity ever
Linux is literally a programmer scam to create employment for themselves.

>>58897447
Bavaria is Germany in its purest form

>>58897526
ya they stopped evolving while rest didn't

>>58895324
>install windows
>install sap
>$$$$$

>>58897545
yet it's by far the best part of Germany
makes you think

>>58897572
kek umad? couldn't think of a worse part except east-germany

>>58897526
True
Berlin is a multicultural shithole
Cologne gets raped every day
Wont Talk about the Rest of eastern Germany.
Only Bavaria and Schleswig-Holstein are worthwhile.

>>58897663
you've never been to baden

>>58897638
please, stop sperging around
>>58897663
pretty much
I mean, Baden-Württemberg has real nice regions too
and the cities and regions at the Nordsee are still worthwhile eventhough it gets worth every day

>>58897722
worse*

>>58897411
Kill yourself

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>>58897313
>>58897313
>>58897313
>more user friendly than Windows 10.
nice bait motherfucker

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>>58894729
>german race upgrades
>refugees find linux absolutely haram
>migrates to kebab

>>58895216
>>58896826
ZorinOS. Back in ZorinOS 9 it looked better than Windows 7 which is the current most beautiful windows UI (inb4 aero sucks meme). Current Zorin doesn't look that good imo but they're still technically in beta so things could change. It has a user friendly interface copying Windows, so if you want something like it, use Zorin.
Other than this there's nothing wrong with generic Linux distros like Ubuntu, Mint or even openSUSE. They look fine, at least when you change Unity's colours to something other than orange which you can do in 10 seconds.

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>>58897218
>>58897216
>>58897078
>>58897124
AfD-chan a cute.

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>>58896623

>>58897663
Berlin is GOAT you boring dweeb.

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>>58894729
Too bad windows has already lost. Only game fags need windows now. The rest of the world is moving to chrome OS.

>>58898337
hipster confirmed
don't you have some reddit blog to keep posted?

>>58897124
wtf I love afd now

>>58897211
>We will develop a new windows basic client, and roll out a uniform citywide client architecture unitl 2020
Ironically, given onecore, that shit should be easier to develop, though.

>>58897893
It is.

>>58897215
>Bullshit, everything from primary schools to universities makes their students use Open- or LibreOffice
What the fuck? The only 2 people who ever used anything other than Windows and its products were the programming professor and some lab professor who used Linux. Everybody else form the shittiest professor to the directors of my uni were and still are using Windows and its products.

>Microsoft corrupts a city council once again

THIS PROVES WINDOWS SUPERIORITY, AMRITE GUYS !!!11!1!

>>58897124
Die Linke (and ödp) asked for the same thing:
https://ru.muenchen.de/pdf/2017/ru-2017-02-09.pdf#page=24

>>58894729
who gives a shit? linux works for me and i prefer it to using some ugly bastardized version of windows to do what i use linux for. i'm not personally bothered by a city council deciding not to use linux.

>>58898506
t. Amerilard

>>58898536
No. Not even close. You're fucking retarded, Ahmed.

>>58898549
>I'm retarded and assume that the way it works in my country is also the way it works in Germany
t. retard

>>58894729
>Germany

>>58898564
That same thing could be said about you. Now go and bend over so that Merkel can insert more rapefugees down your asshole.

>>58898585
yeah man great thing you're bringing your irrelevant bullshit into a thread about Germany, really helps the discussion

>>58894729

No surprise since politicians lobbied MS to build an HQ in Munich a few years ago.

>>58898564
>>58898549
Hey
German here
no school I have ever heard of used any open software
Windows and Office all the way

Have a nice day

>>58898629
bullshit, OpenOffice is everywhere
t. actual German

>>58894729
> SAP on requirements list
That's just sad.

>>58898655
I havn't been in school for 5 years. But we never used anything but Windows.
And now in University you see the majority using Windows, too. For example all computers in the lecture halls are running Windows. As well as all public Computers provided to be used by students.

>>58898750
and now you show me the part of my post where I said that Windows isn't used

>>58898655
Your personal anecdote =/= the whole country.

>t. actual German
Me, too. And OO/LO was never used in school. Always MS Office.

>>58898768
>>58898655
And where are you from? Just tell us already in what province hole they use OpenOffice so much

>>58898581
>country behind openSUSE, possibly the best desktop Linux distribution available
>he doesn't see how this affects Linux
Linux had a chance to be on tons of desktops, now it doesn't. openSUSE is the distro closest to Windows when it comes to normie usage friendlies. This will cause the SUSE devs to lose resources and slow down their development. Now the only hope we have is Ubuntu.

>>58894955
US Gov

>>58897211
I find really interesting the point you're making.

Like, there seems to be a clash not between windows and linux, but between "homemade" and "free market". What these people really wanted by using Linux was to make everything themselves (hardware and software) and not rely on anyone else. When they noticed that this (obviously) failed, they thought that the issue was Linux, thus going back to windows...

Funny how the whole idea of "sharing" in free software was completely missed in their approach.

Thank you for your opinion, it really enlightned my day !

>>58894729
>Wasting billions to train personnel for the new OS.
>Wasting billions to hire and train linux admins
lmaoign my ass

>>58898337
I bet you use Apple products faggot

lol linux DE is garbage.

>>58896266
hahahaha

>>58895510
It only proves how retarded government employees are: they still can't use a Linux system after what, 7 years now?

Linux is used successfully in enterprises where the average IQ is above 100.

>>58897215
>Bullshit, everything from primary schools to universities makes their students use Open- or LibreOffice.

>universities
>not having free licenses for their students

I really hope you didn't pay any fees to study in such a shithole.

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>>58895271

Updates and vendor support ARE a feature of the OS, nigger.

That's why Linux will never be nearly as relevant as Windows is.

>>58894729
Hahahahaha, freetards and SJWs on suicide watch!

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>>58900555
No enterprise uses Linux.

>>58900609
>120%

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>>58900612
>he doesn't label his axes all the way up to 120%

>>58900555
Last I read about it, there was a conflict of interests about some people that are making pushes/decisions here getting sponsored by microsoft.

Also quite retarded government employees that complain about not getting root on their machines (why did they have it on windows?)

>>58894729
So government makes dumb decisions, how is this a surprise to anyone?

>>58900665
The surprise is they turned back on their dumb decision.

>>58900665
Stop replying to Microsoft

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>>58900609
> On-premises
>Deliberately excluding the big players (Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Apple etc.)
> Thinks we'll fall for it

Just stop breathing, Ramit

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Corruption through and through.

The "study" that lead the this decision was conducted by Accenture, who are in bed with Microsoft in the joint venture Avanade.

It's going to cost tens of millions on "consulting fees".

Also Microsoft's German HQ is in Munich.

read about this yesterday. the guy that made the call to make this switch is clearly has some sort of tie to microsoft.

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>>58898337
>Berlin

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>>58900705
>>58900715

>>58900715
Yes

http://www.techrepublic.com/article/after-three-years-of-linux-munich-reveals-draft-of-crunch-report-that-could-decide-its-open-source/

A group of minority politicians contracted Accenture to get an "independent" evaluation before the last election.

They're now using this as "evidence".

https://www.accenture.com/us-en/service-technology-microsoft-accenture-alliance-solutions-overview
https://newsroom.accenture.com/subjects/microsoft/

they want word and outlook thats literally it

>>58897163
HAHAHA JA GUTER GOY WÄHL WEITER CDU UND SPD
hoffe mehmet schneidet dir den kopf ab du volksverräter

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>>58894729
>tfw too dumb to use linux and force city to switch

We all knew Linux was trash.

Those German faggots should've listened.

>implying German won't be Iran 2.0 by 2020
Literally they had to increase police force 10x just to stop Muslims from raping their women 1200 times in one city square, how do they think they can manage actually governing?

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>>58900846
>implying Iran will even last 'till 2020

>>58900821
CO2 ist ja so gut für unsere Pflanzen. Und der Euro ist Schuld an all unseren Geldproblemen! Wenn wir erst wieder du gute alte deutsche DMark haben, wird alles viel besser!

>>58900846
Iran actually uses GNU/Linux.

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/03/security_fears.html
https://itsfoss.com/linux-national-os/

>>58894729
DELETE THIS

LINUX BEST, WANBLOWS IS TRASH

>>58900945
>Iran
>"technologically incompetent"
>sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
>99% more secure and easier than developing your own (tm) custom (tm) operating system (tm)

I don't care, I will still install gentoo on all my computers.

>>58895324
>That's because the city had to hire programmers to build out functionality that they needed and then had to pay the staff to maintain the software.

the horror. they actually needed IT instead of blindly trusting third party shithouse contractors and dubious quality vendor software that "jus werks" in the eyes of managment but is a total clusterfuck in terms of efficiency and user friendlyness.

but hey, now they don't need IT and Feature teams.

good for them.

>>58900916
>implying they won't

largest proven natural gas reserve in the world and they also survived severe economic sanctions.

plus with thermonuclear weapons they can't be easily be overthrown by the CIA niggers.

>>58894955
I'm slowly making my company switch to Linux and esxi.

Started with a web server, now working on a DB server.

>>58900555
well no, it just proves a vast majority of people are computer illiterate and because of this, do not understand the cost and purpose of having proper IT in place.

it's further complicated that these same dipshits fall for bullshit advertising from these fucking disgustingly shitty vendors like CA, HP, iBASEt, et al. and force garbageware on their employees who are equally incompetent.
But hey don't worry, for even more money these vendors will help manage it for you; and look, this company called CSC (and many others) have "skilled professionals" that know how to work with these cool hip vendor products!

and then you realize you have SEV 1/2/3 issues every week from people who can't use the software or it fails miserably because it's terrible; but hey, it's cheaper than running IT the right way because god forbid you actually need to spend some time and money on it. Computer stuff is for nerds anyhow.

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This guy spearheaded the move back to Windows.
He has no education or job experience in IT
but he "knows" that open source software is inherently inferior.

Incidentally Microsoft announced moving their HQ closer to the city of Munich at the same time.

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>>58901327
>Incidentally Microsoft announced moving their HQ closer to the city of Munich
A functioning brain should get closer to your brain.

>>58896335
> Like, why would any small or medium business run their own mail server?
Because you can configure it however you want.
> Or go for a Linux solution, which likely means buying more hardware and training/hiring someone to manage it
Not really if you have at least one system administrator and not a programmer who sets up shit with chmod 777.

>>58896266
>Linux is only free if your time has no value
>Hard drive starts dying
>install linux on new hard drive
>copy files into new drive
>boot and has all settings from previous hard drive
>run one line in command line to install software
Okay.