What's the scariest, most invasive thing the NSA could do

Could or does?
Because everything they 'could' do, they are currently doing.
They're storing everything you do online and are keeping it forever.

That's about it, really.

>>58866453
The NSA is trying to build a complete database of everyone's identity, friends and associates, interests, political views, and daily habits. Said database includes every website you visit, every web search, every email or text message sent and received, every phone call, and a complete record of your location updated in real time. All this stuff has full metadata, timestamps, etc.

If you're a Trump supporter, imagine what a Clinton administration could have done with that. If you're not, imagine what the Trump administration is doing with it. Either way you should be scared out of your mind.

>>58866615
>If you're not, imagine what the Trump administration is doing with it.
Like what?

>>58866476
Why tho

What have they got to gain by doing this realistically?

>>58866645
On wrld order and who no microchip in skin no buy no sell

>>58866645
Lizard jews want world domination.

>>58866453

>I'm asking for a friend who works at a computer repair shop and is obsessed with Alex Jones & Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcmiHx5Yf2I

>>58866673
Trump wants to shutdown terrorist internet, not free american internet.

>>58866645
Knowledge is power.

Absolute knowledge is absolute power.

The ability to blackmail anyone, to find evidence of criminal activity before it happens without a subpoena, silence whistleblowers before they whistleblow. In that Snowden movie they targeted a banker, found out his daughter was dating an illegal, so they deported him, girl tries to commit suicide, then they later frame the banker for drunk driving.

>>58866701

i cant tell if you're being serious or not

>>58866453
Watch Joe Rogan Experinece episode #911 ft. Alex Jones and Eddie "Buzz Aldrin's Instagram" Bravo

>>58866453
Your friend seems to be a retard

>>58866615
thank god I shilled for Trump on the internet. I'm going to be spared

>>58866645
Ignore the conspiracy theorists here.

Say there is a major terrorist attack tomorrow and the person responsible turns out to have links to several other attacks and was planning a few more. There are two scenarios from that point. You can start tracking all data on the suspect from that day on, meaning you don't have access to anything he did in the past. Or the second option is that you store all data possible incase it's one day needed, then when it is needed, you can go back and look at the suspects entire history.

They have to store all our data for exactly this reason. Does that mean they're looking at it all? Of course not, it's not humanly possible to analyse it all. Instead they have to jump through several legal hoops and get a warrant if they want to access the data on an individual. That sounds perfectly reasonable to me

>>58867145
I agree entirely, people who don't want this information to be kept for when it's needed are shady. These agencies have better things to do than spy on your stupid messages and what memes you're posting all day.

>>58867145
>actually thinking the NSA bothers with warrants

kek they spy on other countries behind their back what makes you think they give a shit about warrants?

Monitor and track you. Which is what they are doing right the fuck now and yet every fucking idiot on /g/ still loves their fucking smartphones.

>>58867113
I was scared about Windows 10, but now that Trump has won, my data is safe with him.

>>58866645
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUIcCyPOA30

>>58867145
First, you're wrong that intrusive surveillance is needed to defend against terrorism. Terrorists are caught through old-fashioned police work. We also might meditate on the fact that more people die every day from car accidents than die in a year from terrorists. Terrorism is scary and sensational, but it is not actually a large threat at all.

Second, the fact that it isn't a human being looking at the material doesn't change anything. Actually it makes things worse. You may be 100% innocent but if you trip some automated thing trawling the "full take" data, your life can be turned into a Kafkaesque hell, and no human may even know why you're on the no-fly list now.

Third, even if it did help keep people safe - which again, is a premise I explicitly reject - it's too much power for a government to have. Yeah, police work would be a lot easier if cops never needed warrants and could search anyone, anywhere, anytime. So why have warrants? Because given such unrestrained power, the government will inevitable become abusive and tyrannical. Sacrificing liberty for security leaves you with neither liberty or security.

>>58867407
I disagree.

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>>58867476
Well, disagree if you want. You can let yourself be watched by the surveillance state.

I and others don't have to go along though. Anyone who wants strong crypto can have it in this day and age. Only those who consent to being watched will be watched.

>>58866453
>>58867525

http://southpark.cc.com/clips/410450/security-breach - This is all I can think of. Please, get it out of my head.

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>>58866453
>Mass social engineering https://theintercept.com/document/2015/06/22/behavioural-science-support-jtrig/
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/

>Hardware level eavesdropping
https://www.techpowerup.com/209925/nsa-hides-spying-backdoors-into-hard-drive-firmware.html
https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/08/12/the-nsa-is-funding-a-safer-internet-of-things/
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/08/26/way-gchq-obliterated-guardians-laptops-revealed-intended/
http://www.itworld.com/article/2708437/security/ipmi--the-most-dangerous-protocol-you-ve-never-heard-of.html

>NSA doing a civil war
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/09/06/nsa_bullrun_manassas_why_is_the_nsa_naming_its_covert_programs_after_civil.html
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/nsa-war-with-us-citizens-523/

>Online harassment of women and sexual abuse
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/09/27/5-americans-who-used-nsa-facilities-to-spy-on-lovers

>NSA use mass hacking for personal gain and criminal activities
http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/02/how-omnipotent-hackers-tied-to-the-nsa-hid-for-14-years-and-were-found-at-last/

>All online communications are wiretapped
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/08/nsa-prism-server-collection-facebook-google
http://www.zdnet.com/article/prism-heres-how-the-nsa-wiretapped-the-internet/

>Online forums infiltrated
http://news.yahoo.com/report-nsa-spying-virtual-worlds-online-games-135520383.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/10/world/spies-dragnet-reaches-a-playing-field-of-elves-and-trolls.html?_r=0
http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/09/tech/web/nsa-spying-video-games/

>1984 became real
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/06/22/controversial-gchq-unit-domestic-law-enforcement-propaganda/

>NSA grooming kids
http://libertyupward.com/national-security-agency-grooming-and-recruiting-children-to-be-hackers/

>>58867145
NSA is more interested in spying on other nation-states (Germany for example) than catching terrorists, lol.

You can't "datamine" those truck driver terrorists of modern day.

>>58866476
>Because everything they 'could' do, they are currently doing.
>They're storing everything you do online and are keeping it forever.
friendly reminder not to believe things without evidence

Nitro Zeus

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/17/world/middleeast/us-had-cyberattack-planned-if-iran-nuclear-negotiations-failed.html?_r=0
problem is they found it and it is being used by other govt's and malicious hackers

>>58866453
Kill you.

>>58867145
>being this naive

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>>58867397
what a fucking loon

>>58866453
Don't just be worried about the NSA, in some ways they are less scary than the private entities which influence your reality through extremely targeted messages online.

With just a few likes on Facebook, groups like Cambridge Analytica can build psychometric profiles and tailor content to make you susceptible to their cause (or product). - With more data points bought from various sources, they can intuit more things about you than your coworkers, friends, or closest relatives. They can then present you with the exact things you need to see/hear to shape your behavior to their interest.

Think you're too savvy to be influenced? How about your family, neighborhood, or country as a whole? They were hired to push brexit and trump recently, but their technology is in the hands of the highest bidder.

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/how-our-likes-helped-trump-win

>>58868547

friendly reminder that it's safe to assume the worst when your government treats all citizens as enemies.

>>58866453

watch you fap

>>58866453
Imagine you've done something socially acceptable that's illegal. Weed, pirate music, received nudes from your gf when you were both in high school, whatever.

Now imagine someone doesn't like you and has 100% of all past online transactions and they can effectively turn you into a criminal instantly.

Imagine someone dumping your /b/ style posts in the lap of an employer and telling them to fire you. Imagine them showing every image you've seen on /pol/ as your browser history.

Or go simpler, imagine you gain some sort of fame, higher position in a company or money. Imagine someone plants cheese pizza on your computer and then arrests you.

>>58866645

By recording literally everything what they can do is build up files pre-emptively on people who might later become persons of interest.

Like you might be a complete nobody today, but 5 years from now you might involved in a serious political organization that is planning on overthrowing the government. When that happens, they just look up all the shit you've done online and look for ways to turn you into an informant for the FBI or whoever. Or maybe you're a foreign diplomat, or the CEO of a company that sells military parts to Russia or whatever.

This is stuff security agencies normally does. They look into your shit and use the dirt to squeeze you by the balls.

>>58867145
the nsa never stopped a single terrorist attack, your argument is bullshit
inb4 >they cant predict attacks before they happen
so whats the use then dumbfuck

>>58871336
Spying on other governments and on your own citizens.

Good shit heh

They can. Identify your unique IP to the ISP provider and give you a paved DNS server. At that point you're fucked.

>>58866453
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Look at what they did with Pissgate and Trump.

Imagine what dirt they can dig up on "undesirables."

>this is okay
Just shoot my face

>>58866645
Take a look at what happens in countries like Russia and China. In a distopian future if your views don't align with theirs they could do basic things like take away certain rights or simply kill you.

>>58866615
You could simply not use phones for illegal activities.Albanian gangs in my country supposedly use kids as couriers to exchange messages, and authorities are supposedly having trouble keeping track of their operations.

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>>58873722
Jej the Sicilians were using coded messages on fake facebook accounts until one of the boss' family members got raided and they found the web browisng history and all the facebook accounts, after that they just went back to sending pieces of paper through kids and old people like in the old times.
Colombians and Mexicans still swear by the satellite phone and using a different burner phone each day, even though Stingray antennas planted by the DEA have been rekking the Mexicans.

>>58866453
scope out your stash of pics of anime babes

>>58867525
>Anyone who wants strong crypto can have it in this day and age. Only those who consent to being watched will be watched.
You're piquing my interest. I use Firefox with HTTPS Everywhere, Self-Destructing Cookies, uBlock Origin, and Privacy Badger. I also run Ubuntu GNOME with an encrypted home folder, further encrypting sensitive files with TrueCrypt. What can I do to further block out the NSA?

>>58866453
they could van you and you'd never be heard from again

>>58867100
>Eddie "Buzz Aldrin's Instagram" Bravo
kekked

>>58874798
Unplug the power. Seriously.

>>58866632

pursuing anyone who supported clinton or other republicans who don't play nice with him, going after politicians or business people who have wronged him, enriching himself and his friends, embarrassing anyone he wants to embarrass, deepening his support base so he'll be elected again, etc.

there's a lot of data out there

>>58866453
See it this way:
Post your email address and phone number here, and you will see shortly after what a few unorganized fuckwits can do to you with this selective information.

Now upgrade the fuckwits to highly organized, omnipotent sniffing buttholes and switch selective information to all your information. Hmm... What could they be capable of... Without any consequences whatsoever.
With a few clicks you are a transgender donkeyFucking mass murderer with a criminal record out of this world. And this is only in the country you live in, in other countries they could manipulate the information into you being a terrorist, and all bad things would end if you finally died even though you haven't even heard from that country. They would ecstatically celebrate while seeing footage of you being raped with a chainsaw.
And others gladly throw the last informations they had hidden into the arms of NSA thinking unlimited security for your country is a thing and they always mean well.
If you look back in history, hell, if you look nowadays in certain countries you know that government has its own interests depending on who is in the lead. Just take the time and look around instead of blindly swallowing what gets served

>>58866453
well if you see that, its a virus..

Too much data and not enough hard drive space to store it. At most they keep your information for a few months.

>>58874798
Next time you format encrypt all the HDD with the buil-in tool on the live CD. Also start using a paid VPN. Be carefull about the country the server are. You want a country whose laws allow the VPN to not store any data

>>58874798
stop using furryfox and start using suckless surf with JS turned off in config.h and force it to go through tor, block all adds in your pf conf (or iptables as you are using linux) or use privoxy, uninstall ubuntu as it's shit filled with spyware.

I use OpenBSD with encrypted disk, encfs where it matters, and everything either linked to /dev/null (in ram only) or in /tmp depending on what info it stores.

>>58874798
stop using the internet.

It's really fucking hard to be private while using it.

>>58866453
Your friend doesn't have to worry because Daddy Trump is in office now and all of the bad things will go away

>>58867262
give me just one case where they prevented anything, all I want is one.