Due to Zen's unexpected performance, Intel has been cau

>>58834017
> #3 "Bonuses" to OEM suppliers

>>58834017
Finally, AMD justifies its existance.

>>58834041
AMD hasn't had a profitable quarter in years and Intel is posting record highs, Intel spends over 15 times more on R&D(lets assume at least half on fabs) than AMD does.

It would be an utter and complete embarrassment for Intel to actually lose like this.
But maybe it was inevitable, KabyLake is still a bolted P6 arch core.

>>58834072
Didn't they have mad deals with console manufacturers?

http://www.linleygroup.com/mpr/article.php?id=11666

>The quad-core Zen should perform similarly to Intel’s Ivy Bridge CPU, assuming it can reach 3.7GHz.

AYYMD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT

AYYMDPOORFAGS CONFIRMED ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>58834111
That alone isn't enough money to sustain a big semiconductor company like AMD.

>>58834017
>intel is only now bringing their cpu tier down a bit to counter AMD's growth

>>58834112
> August 29, 2016
Kanter is a smart guy but he's quite wrong about a few things there, no wonder since info on Zen was pretty scarce.

>>58834112
Half a year old article talks about early ES

It's time for a comeback.

http://www.google.com/finance?cid=327

they're obviously desperate but a chip with a proper fucking thermal solution that'll run 20 degrees cooler at the same clocks could be appealing to a certain segment that want performance but lack the inclination or competence to delid kaby lake, aka gaymers. it's not nearly enough to save them though.

>>58834165
>bandaid treatment for Zen butthurt
>HT on some i5's
>solder instead of TIM

Lmao Intel that's so desperately cute.

>he thinks AMD can even touch Intel

So deluded

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>>58834017
>for 8 years Intel blocked HT on desktop i5
>AMD becomes ever so slightly competitive
>suddenly they enable the HT microcode
rly makes you're neural network fire

>>58834205
Fanboy opinions are irrelevant, go suck on a 31 stage pipeline.

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>MOAR GHZ
Literally Netburst

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>>58834214
Jayhawk was supposed to have 51 =)

>>58834231
Did no one mention that that's arson to Intel?

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This low tdp obsession needs to stop. I wan't power, I do not care about heat or power usage. Below 100W is pathetic, this is a not a smartphone.
People are buying 200W graphic chips but oh no the cpu can't go across 100W that would be disaster house fire if that happened.

>>58834263
Housefires are okay.

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>>58834165

I don't understand how Intel have allowed $50-$100 of value to go for just the price of a pack of razor blades, thermal compound, adhesive and half an hour of your time.

Even if it isn't worth your time, it's worth paying someone to do it for you.

Strange.

>>58834310
you don't understand, saving 5 million on 1 million chips is VERY important
nobody cares that million chips made a billion, we saved whole damn 5 millions dollars in the process

accountant bureaucrats logic, someone at intel feels good about this

>>58834184
it's pathetic even for intel, in fact it's so lame that I doubt this rumor is even true. What I think they'll do instead is just release coffee lake a lot sooner than they initially bothered.

>>58834358
Which is Skylake 3.0: second boogaloo.

>>58834358
Their CEO is an idiot so stupid moves are expected

>>58834030
It's only illegal if you get caught.

>>58834465
I love capitalism

So if the i5 7640K has hyper-threading then what it is the point of the i7 line?

I've been looking for a replacement for the trusty 2500K so if AMD actually provide something decent I'll consider switching to them. Knowing AMD they'll find some way to fuck this up sadly.

>>58834017
>Intel has been caught with its pants down.

This was obvious months ago

>>58834549
My bet would be instruction sets.
Some are still likely to be disabled on the i5 line, making them impractical for workstation loads.

>Le service de communication d’Intel cherche désormais à éviter à tout prix l’humiliation que représenterait un Ryzen comparable aux Core i7 6900K (1200€)
>1200€
i might be a slowpoke here, but holy shit the jewing truly knows no end

>>58834549
Cache, VT-d, and disabled features, better bins, power consumption.

>>58834184
>solder instead of TIM
But they literally said they stopped doing that because of cracking, and not because of muh shekels.
I had this argument last night in another thread.
>>58788454
Intel can really go fuck themselves now. No fucking way am I going to get one of their chips ever. Bringing out solder as a fucking upgrade when it was possible all along.

>>58834017
>significantly higher TDP (> 100W against 91W)
>9 fucking watts

The whole delidding fad and latest chips like Kaby being house fire seems to prove certain people right. People were saying Intel has had fab production and quality control issues since broadwell/skylake. I know I'm not the only person here who remembers cpu's without an IHS (AMD) when they moved away from slot 1 and slot A.

I doubt AMD and Intel would ever magically switch market share. Even if that were to happen it would be a linear move. It's also retarded to think that if AMD has the better or equal product that people won't make the switch especially if it's slightly cheaper (even twenty dollars).

Does this mean Ryzen is good?

I didn't follow the news, don't know anything

>>58834324
>you don't understand, saving 5 million on 1 million chips is VERY important
well, it worked for GM

>>58834654
Thing with AMD has never been the cheaper chips (For custom builders now, not OEMs) but motherboards.
A high end AMD motherboard will run you $120. A high end Intel Motherboard can hit $220.

That, and AMD don't change sockets everytime someone in the office sneezes.

>>58834658
>Does this mean Ryzen is good?
It means exactly that otherwise why would Intel shit SKUs right and left.

>>58834643
They're still using solder on the HEDT platform.
And I can assure you their xeons don't come with TIM

>>58834690
>They're still using solder on the HEDT platform.

Wasn't there a paper from Intel that was talking about cracking when solder was used on smaller dies?

I guess the HEDT/Xeons have bigger dies so that's why they still use solder.

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http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1331317&page_number=2
>AMD said its upcoming Zen x86 core fits into a 10 percent smaller die area than Intel’s currently shipping second-generation 14nm processor
>even Intel engineers in the session said the Zen core is clearly competitive
Zen core smaller than Kaby Lake core despite using less advanced process.
8core Ryzen could be cheaper to produce than Intel's 4core+iGPU i7.
Muh fabs and muh tick tock is dead.

>>58834660
I buy GM cars (credit card gives me a discount) and this is semi correct. GM cheaps out which can cause a failure which cascades into another failure. That's the problem with cheaping out. Problem is they likely already figured it's still cheaper to do this and just replace it all with cheap parts. They are consistent though. Parts are cheap in general. Seems to work I guess. I don't have their spreadsheets.

>>58834670
That's true as AMD doesn't change things around willy nilly like Intel. It all adds up.

>>58834690
>They're still using solder on the HEDT platform.
High end desk-top
http://www.eteknix.com/intel-skylake-de-lidded-surprised-us/
TIM
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/01/19/intel_kaby_lake_i77700k_cpu_delid_relid_results
TIM
What was that about solder?
And Yes. Xeons was addresses in the thread that was linked. Thanks for mentioning it a second time you useless tool.

>>58834699
too much optimism, worrying

and nobody criticizes zen retionally

>>58834725
х700k are not HEDT chips.

>>58834698
See
>>58834643
The linked thread, and exact post has that paper. But because you're lazy I'll paste it here.
http://iweb.tms.org/PbF/JOM-0606-67.pdf
>>58834733
How about you link the ones you're talking about. Faggot.

>>58834658
The Engineering Sample (ES) we were shown at CES indicates that the 8c/16t @ 3.15ghz compares to a 6900k @ stock/+turbo in blender.

CanardPC, and French tech mag, got their hands on an A0 ES chip, so initial sampling, and a validation motherboard, they ran a number of tests, results and analysis put up by a few sites, I'll only drop one for the sake of this post not being full of links to other sites.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/french-magazing-posts-engineering-sample-amd-ryzen-processor-benchmarks.html

Zen's major flaw seems to be the lack of PCIe lanes, while this is not a major problem for the consumer market it may give some enterprise customers a moment of pause.

Another thing we learned at CES, TDP.
the 8c/16t @ 3.15ghz read out as 95w max TDP, the 6900k it was being compared against runs out to 140w TDP.

Final clocks for Zen? We don't know. Some sites have been getting samples in at 3.5ghz, but the rumoured final lineup shows chips well below that. So we have to wait and see.

Su confirmed in an earnings call with investors that Ryzen is expected in March. With Day 1 availability. Until this point all we knew was that Zen was slate for a Q1 release, so march still being Q1, Zen is on track.

>>58834699
It's smaller because the FPU is smaller.
Everything else in hardware resource, registers, retire units, decoders etc are competitive.

>>58834017
>100W TDP
is fucking nothing for pc

>>58834748
>Zen's major flaw seems to be the lack of PCIe lanes, while this is not a major problem for the consumer market it may give some enterprise customers a moment of pause.

That's why you got the 2 die 16 core Snowy Owl with double the lanes.
Which I don't think it'll be all that expensive, the 32 Naples one will thought

>>58834130
Intel won't let them fail.

>>58834602
That's dumb
>>58834635
Pretty much everything has vtd now
>>58834654
14nm is mature as fuck now
>>58834670
AMD never had anything worth a $220 mobo
>>58834699
5mm larger with a iGpu still places Intel ahead, friendo

it's almost like designing all your processors at the behest of apple was a bad decision

>>58834899
>That's dumb
No. It's business.

>>58834914
What instruction set?

Jim Keller certified shit wrecker

>>58834899
49mm^2 is just the CPU cores. Skylake 4c+iGPU is 122mm^2
Intel is wasting half the die area on their shitty iGPU

>>58834748
>Su confirmed in an earnings call with investors that Ryzen is expected in March. With Day 1 availability. Until this point all we knew was that Zen was slate for a Q1 release, so march still being Q1, Zen is on track.

Is it not a little unusual to be < a month from launch without announcing the line up or pricing?

>>58834899
>5mm larger with a iGpu still places Intel ahead, friendo

he was implying there is less silicon so they can price it a little lower. not who can make it smaller, pal

>>58835009
No, because official word always comes a day before launch or a few days before launch.

>>58835009
I assume people already know like retailers etc. I used to get the skinny on certain things from sellers before a launch. Athlon was a good example. Guys kept saying the athlon was a game changer. Things like that. They had the xp in house and knew if it was shit or not already.

>>58834263
This. Gotta be one of the dumbest fucking things to whine about with computer hardware.

>>58835009
Depends.
AMD have been keeping lips tight lately. Su runs a tight ship.

Fuck, look at the Fury Lineup, all we knew before launch was it would use HBM. And that's it.
So to have the amount of information we have on Zen I'd say we're quite lucky. ChipHell rumoured some pricing. Someone on the Guru3D forums went through and gathered up all the relevant data they could, this came out.

8core BE 450$ with tax ~ 540$
8core 350$ with tax ~ 420$
6core 250$ with tax ~ 300$
4core 150$ with tax ~ 180$

The prices retrieved from the site were the initial values, but they seemed too low, so he assumed they were without tax, hence the addition of the tax value. Which produces a reasonable price.

>>58834793
cpu's are harder to cool then gpu's. They can't just up the TDP to 150W or huge cpu coolers will be needed as a minimum

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So apparently Intel is already training their sellers on how to answer questions about Ryzen.

>>58835025
Intel has 65% margins also, bud

>>58835148
Did a child write this?
These aren't answers at all.

>>58835165
It's a briefer, an intro to a staff training quiz, probably some other module they had to complete first before the quiz was an option.

We use similar e-learning shit where I work.

>>58835148
>the next answer
>If you don't buy Intel, you're an anti-Semite!

>>58835148
>Thunderbolt 3
Only available on 3% of laptops
>Iris/Pro
Only available on 25W+ laptops
Might as well get a dGPU at this point, at least it'll have drivers
>WiGi
Lmao I love watching my mouse lag a second after I move my hand
>Optane
Shit performance, shit capacities, four times the price, only useful for cache drives.


Do better next time, Intel

>>58835184
>proceeds go to the six gorillion
>includes free oral circumcision

>>58835148
>We are not worried
>Honestly

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>>58835148
howtojew.doc

>>58835211
They're not, overclockable i3's, pentiums, HT on pentiums and i5's and unannounced SKUs showing up outta nowhere together with dubious 1MB/core L2 Xeons in less than a month isn't a kneejerk reaction at all.

>>58835165
that's the point

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This guy will kill Intel.
Meet Intel's Hector Ruiz
While Mama Su will clean house

>>58835224
they also moved skylake/kaby 8cores to august

>>58835244
He's such a gigantic fucking retard with absolute zero common sense.

>>58835249
>rushing their HEDT line

Lel I can already imagine what kind of hilarious bugs we'll get this time.

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Kaby-Lake-S-Codename-264845/News/AMD-Ryzen-Intels-Antwort-Core-i7-7740K-i5-7640K-1220177/
>i7-7740k = Kaby Lake-X
>Socket 2066
>Same die as i7-7700k but iGPU disabled
>112W TDP
>TIM. No solder.
>0.1GHz higher base clock than i7-7700k
>Same 4.5GHz boost clock
>Release at Gamescom 2017 (late August)
it's literally fucking nothing

>>58835285
lets see your cpu design then.

>>58835301
What the fuck is the point!? I at least fucking hope it has a load of cache because if it's just the same shit without GPU then it's absolutely worthless!

>>58835327
He's CEO, not a fucking engineer you dumb moron.

Should i upgrade my i7 4770 soon or should i wait for abit?

>>58835333
>>58835301
More cache + memory channels + PCIe lanes

That can only explain the 2066 pins

>>58835301
>Kaby Lake-X
>not 4.2 base Kaby lake at 125W TDP with IrisPro L4 victim cache for another 15% performance improvement in serial workloads.

Intel is dead to me.

DEAD TO ME.

>>58835327
you're almost implying brian was ever involved in cpu design himself

>>58835345
No. I actually picked up a couple of 4790k's used with a mobo and ram for $250 cash a piece. Haswell's are hard to beat price performance wise. I'd even grab a SB or Ivy i7 used as well.

>>58835345
not if you don't need moar coars/threads

Oh and if you're in the market for laptops look for used ones with a haswell cpu. Thinkpad W541 15: with i7 4810MQ (actual quad not the gay dual cores). Sammy EVO SSD expressport all that for $500 bucks. Think they even have some with 3k screens. Machine is a beast.

>>58835369
Alright cool thanks, where did you get them for 250$ ? Looking to upgrade my mom's workstation PC

>>58835385
Nah not really, i do some premiere / after effects editing but it's fast enough for me, only play some games such as witcher 3 and project cars.

>>58835224
Why do people unironically hate AMD when even if you only buy Intel shit you still win?

>>58834744
>How about you link the ones you're talking about. Faggot.

He is talking about the Extreme line, not the K line.

They are specifically using shit TIM on the K chips to gimp overclocking. They don't want you to overclock your chip, they want you to buy the higher clocked versions.

>>58835474
Got mine locally here and paid cash. Ebay would be a good source and they're likely between that and $400 depending on how retarded the seller is.

>>58835508
>specifically using shit TIM on the K chips to gimp overclocking.
Citation? Like really any form of citation comparing the two. Or even pointing out difrent grades of TIM used.
And showing the swing in temps.

>>58834072
>It would be an utter and complete embarrassment for Intel to actually lose like this.
Intel has been under retarded leadership for years now, the 1% gains and the 14nm mess weren't just kikeing, but actual incompetence from management

>>58835708
Management doesn't know the first thing how to make a high performance core, their mistake was not telling their engineers to start working on a new one to replace their archaic P6 on steroids.

>>58834263
Good thing Zen's XFR and SenseIM let's you take advantage of enthusiast cooling by jacking the CPU almost as much as you can

>>58834748
>The Engineering Sample (ES) we were shown at CES indicates that the 8c/16t @ 3.15ghz compares to a 6900k @ stock/+turbo in blender.
That was the Blender demo done back in December
There were no demos at CES iirc, but they had samples running at 3.6 Ghz base with 3.8 Ghz Turbo, and later they showed a 3.6/4 sample that was a newer stepping

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>>58835148

>>58834358
Coffee Lake is just moar cores

>>58834647
10% higher

>>58836675
For not even a 3% increase in clockspeed.

>>58835654
They do use solder on the extreme chips, you can look it up if you want.

>Or even pointing out difrent grades of TIM used. And showing the swing in temps.

Tons of people delidded their K chips and used Liquid Pro on them, to get 10-20C temp drops, me included. Solder would get even lower temps, since it transfers heat better.

>>58835068
Thats all /v/ fucks knew you mean. Everyone else knew it'd be a 4096 shader 4gb chip.

>>58835803
They didn't need to work on anything better, since they had no competition in high performance markets.

>>58836664
ryzen is just haswell/skylake with moarcoars. a six core coffee lake priced around what the 7700k costs now competing against ryzen at that price point (either 6/12 or lower binned 8/16) would make them pretty even at that point

>>58835290
Halfbaked Purleys are already shipping to Google and Amazon. There were enough bugs that significant features had to be cut, but not enough that those two cared.

So yeah, funny bugs incoming.

>>58836758
Intel has been burned my AMD's rabbit outta the hat more than one time, it's unusual to think they'd make the same mistake fucking again.

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>>58836773
Thank their retarded fanboys for inflating their egos so much that they thought nobody would buy AMD even if they did compete.


Also has no one mentioned this yet?

> the International Solid State Circuits Conference (ISSCC), AMD presented a whitepaper in which they demonstrated how its upcoming Zen x86 core fits into a 10 percent smaller die area than Intel's currently shipping second-generation 14nm processor. According to reports, analysts and Intel engineers in the session said the Zen core is clearly competitive,
>analysts and Intel engineers in the session said the Zen core is clearly competitive,

https://www.techpowerup.com/230446/amds-ryzen-chips-10-smaller-than-comparable-intel-skylake-dies

Which pretty much contradicts Intel's entire damage control here >>58835148

>>58836831
It may be 10% smaller, but it certainly 10% worse than Intel's current offerings. That would still be "competitive," so don't get your panties in a wad.

>>58836863
Power draw? If it's 10% slower, which is is not if it's Broadwell-E IPC then it's gonna outclass Intel if its more power efficient.
Also in areas where power consumption counts, what uses the most power is DIMMs, fabrics and buses, if AMD's core, memory controller and infinity fabric are more efficient, Intel's ass is officially immolated in servers.

>>58836863
thanks for clarifying Mr Krzanich

>>58835148
INTEL ON FULL DAMAGE CONTROL

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>>58836773
>Intel has been burned my AMD's rabbit outta the hat more than one time, it's unusual to think they'd make the same mistake fucking again.

AMD burned Intel maybe two times total, both of them happened over 15 years ago. Three if you count the K6-2 (which wasn't high-end, but prompted Intel to start a low-end line) and four if you count the AM286.

>>58836863
>>58836831
It's an idiotic comparison, something like 40% of the die is the iGPU on the Intel chip. Zen has no iGPU.

>>58836926
>>58836911
>>58836863

who gives a shit, im not buying another fucking quadcore in 2017. I had two quadcores already, the Q6600 and the Core i5 3750k.
I'm not getting a hexa core or octa core if anything at all, Intel can go fuck itself with these tiny 10% improvements that nobody notices anyway. At least with AMD even if the cores are as fast or slightly slower than Intel, i still get more cores which will only help me down the line.
8 cores > 4 cores, sorry intel fags. i dont give a shit if ur homo cpu core is 10% faster if I get 4 more cores out of it on AMD

>>58836961
>It's an idiotic comparison, something like 40% of the die is the iGPU on the Intel chip. Zen has no iGPU.
They are not including the iGPU area in the comparison you illiterate faggot.

Why does Intel cares?, just bully AMD like they always have. Normalfags and fanboys will keep buying their processors

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>>58836831
Might be an advantage of using the "high density libraries" in addition to the FinFet process

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>>58836964
octa means eight, you said you weren't getting an octa

>>58836961
>It's an idiotic comparison, something like 40% of the die is the iGPU on the Intel chip. Zen has no iGPU.

Can't you read? They're comparing their x86 clusters, caches and all, no iGPU at all.

>>58835009
I don't think so, no.

8 core Zen as of now is pretty much confirmed to be around 200mm^2 big, which means at current prices of ~$6k per wafer, a single Zen chip costs around $25. Without packaging, that is.
It also means that Zen is smaller than Polaris 10 which starts at ~$160 (RX 470), while having a higher profit margin than a GPU due to not requiring a separate PCB or resales to partners.

Tl;dr: 8 core Zen could be sold for ~$150 and still turn a profit for AMD.

>>58836961
>Zen has no iGPU.
ryzen has no igpu

raven ridge will be zen also

>>58837025
Architecture is Ryzen now, chip is still Summit Ridge

>>58837018
>200mm^2 big,
see
>>58836831

If a single Zen CCX is 44mm2, INCLUDING L3, two means it's 88mm2.
No matter how much you stretch it, there's no way a 2 channel memory controller, the southbridge and the rest of the uncore is gonna be 111mm2.

>>58837029
Ryzen is the brand. Summit Ridge is the product line. Zen is the uarch. nothing has changed in that regard.

take the 8350 for example.
>brand: FX
>product line: Vishera
>uarch: Piledriver

>>58834726
Kanter did point or several shortcomings of Zen in his analysis back in August, for example.
Several others have raised concerns about the CCX structure and how it might hinder clocks and available CPU configurations.

The thing is, there is so little actually known about Zen at this moment, that there isn't really much to criticise it for while not pulling shit out of you're ass.

>>58837036
Honestly it depends on how much PCIe lanes it has, I've been hearing everything from 18 to 36, lanes take a lot of space.
Then again we know absolutely nothing about Zen's uncore, there could be something new in there.

>>58837077
why can't it just be 8 per core?

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>>58837100
>64 pcie lanes

>>58837066
we know more than he did at the time. i'd say both concerns are pretty much blown out of the water by recent leaks. the only semi-serious drawbacks i see are its avx capabilities and lack of quad memory channels in their consumer lineup, the latter of which doesn't apply to the proper server skus.

>>58837100
Because PCIe lanes aren't tied to the cores? They're part of the southbridge traditionally, but included in the CPU directly nowadays for lower latencies.

Now this is an interesting thought, will the PCIe lanes on Ryzen be on the SB or close to the cores with the integrated SB?
Part of the integrated SB sounds more sensible, they're both on die so the latency difference should be negligible on such a tiny die.

>>58836675
My dual cpu desktop was 300w... Until I overclocked it.

When does Zen fucking materialize on shelves finally?

>>58834017
I just really hope it isn't until August. I was excited about the 7700k, but now the 7740k is making me conflicted. I want to waste money to upgrade my 4790k Intel!

>>58837182
in 2 years.

>>58837182
middle of march hopefully, april otherwise

it's supposed to be fired off in the first days of march but I'm not entirely sure whether that means full on release or just final review samples being sent out

last I heard, we're going to get them before OEMs get their trays but I may be wrong

So Ive been reading around and I have a theory as to why Intel has just suddenly started shitting its pants about Ryzen.

There are two steppings of Ryzen chips (maybe). If you recall there were rumors way back that Zen would be ready for late 2016. This didnt happen obviously, but I read a rumor that it wasnt becuase the chips werent ready, but there was some bugs with the motherboards and bios. Apperently Zen chips were being mass produced in late 2016. The delay with the mobos allowed AMD to risk another spin, and produced chips that clocked higher than expected. I think that because you got two different spins you have people with chips that clock dofferently. You have Canard with their 5ghz single core on air and shitty mobo, then you got the recent rumors of lower clocking 4c/8t and two versions of 8c/16t.
I think Intel got a whiff of this new stepping and got spooked by the potential for a few more ghz, and the fact AMD might price the stock they already have lower than Intel expected.

So Id expect lots of segmentation for the launch. A higher clocking and lower clocking version of each 4c/6c/8c. I dont know how much better this new stepping is, but a couple hundred on the base clock would be enough to light a fire under Intels ass I think. Again, this is pure speculation and rumor, but the evidence Ive seen in favor of this theory is compelling.

How do i buy stocks

>>58837318
With money.

>>58834263
What if it is a smartphone
Does AMD even have a single competitor to the low power market now that Kaby lake actually was impressive in the non-desktop?

>>58834670
>stupid Intel drones upgrading every year
>I don't even get upgrades

>>58837334
Ok and where do I buy them

>>58837353
What are you talking about? Kaby/Skylake's lowest power chips are Core M's, and those are too hungry even for tablets, much less phones.

>>58837318
travel back in time a year, call a stockbroker and retire in luxury

>>58834686
Because that's what they do, release 5 high publicity chips then silently release 400 more with little to no variation
It's called an oem market, you would know if anybody would buy your cpu

>>58837369
From a broker.

>>58837277
given yields and the fact that each sku will be unlocked i wouldnt expect intel levels of segmentation. plus robert hallock specifically said they're not going to.

>>58836716
You mean the one CPU out of the entire HEDT line that has paste because it's actually just an i7?

>>58837380
Anon, they're releasing chips that contain unusual features in a short time span.
Unlocked i3s and pentiums.
Pentiums with HT.
i5's with HT.
Xeons with absurdly unusual L2 cache sizes.


Intel's only unique chip was the Xeon D in the last 5 years, but this unusual and very non-60%-margins-Intel stuff has all been so close to the Ryzen launch that there's no way for it to be a mere coincidence.

Intel a decade and half ago always had two architectures in-house in case one failed, why don't they have two now when they have far more money than before?

>>58837371
What are you talking about?
The lowest power chips are "core" Y series now, and at 4.5TDP they are well used in tablets.
But I'm talking about the U series, the normal laptop CPUs that dropped 10w this generation and increased clocks, laptops are being shipped with top spec laptop CPUs that can be cooled passively, and make a tiny meme-size laptop that can actually last all-day (real) usage. On top of that the new integrated graphics can play brand new games at 720p 30fps
Will Raven Ridge APUs even come close to this kind of power/heat ratio?

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Get hype

>>58837431
But the first two product choices were announced before the first zen demo

>>58837457
>The lowest power chips are "core" Y series now, and at 4.5TDP they are well used in tablets.
They're used in a few tablets and that fucking shit can pull 13 watts under load, not tablet material at all unless it's docked or has a 10000mAh battery!

>>58837472
>demo
Oh you silly, Intel knew what was happening months before the demo.
Unlocked i3's have just been reviewed recently, Pentiums are a bit older though.
But everything else is strange, especially the HT i5's that pretty much obsolete their entire i7 $300 CPUs

>>58837507
7700k has a faster clock speed.

>>58834017
Then what the fuck separates the i5 from the i7?

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>>58837480
Again, I'm talking about the U series, not your average $150 chromebook CPU. The manufacturer tdp range setting (some CPU feature on the Y CPUs only) allows all the way up to a whopping 7 watts burst. I'm using a 15W CPU that goes up to 3.5GHz single core or 3.1Ghz multicore, and it can easily be passively cooled. One of the best battery lifespans on any light/thin laptop apparently according to reviews.
They're well used, and the tablets that don't use them use the 15w U processor, they're still getting away with passive cooling.
Kaby Lake was really impressive outside of raw performance, laptop battery life took a serious step forwards this gen
Is this "tablet material" for you?

>>58837453
Because their other in-home backup arch was always the one that failed and it was a huge money sink?

>>58837521
By 200MHz, it's a i5, you're expected to overclock it since they're relatively cheap.
I mean, it'll probably cost around $230 for the HT i5, who would pay another $100 for the 7700k?

>>58837507
I mean theoretically they should only have core options, but here they are releasing hundreds of CPUs for no reason just like every year
But this time it's because they're scared huh

>>58837011

not = now, typo

>>58837560
>but here they are releasing hundreds of CPUs for no reason just like every year
They're releasing them because there's a market for them.
But they have never released disruptive chips like the unlocked i3 and i5 with HT, chips that clearly cannibalize notably more expensive chips .

Wanna bet Zen will make AMD great again but AMD will only grow by 10% marketshare due to Intel mindshare and lovely bribemoney.

A good core isn't enough, you need good lawyers and incentives too :)

>>58837582
But the hundreds of i5 variants that are the same thing aren't i5 killers?
They're also calling their 4.5w ultra-ultra-low power line "core" this year, while making huge advancements in certain CPU lines (that they're not advertising or changing the naming of)

>>58837560
The line-up has been pretty much identical for desktop CPUs(save for HEDT) since Sandy Bridge. And now they're suddenly releasing unlocked i3s, pentiums with 2 cores and hyperthreading, and apparently there will be a quad-core i5 with hyperthreading as well. That's very much NOT like what they do every year.

>>58837394

I want to think so but if that rumor is true what would they do with the lower clocked CPUs? OEMs maybe? I would just sell that off as one time lower priced skus and forget about it. You know if they clocked the better cpus to match lower clocking ones that reviewers will lock them at base clocks while Intels are bosting and then say Zen sucks. I think people can forgive a one time crazy segmentation to have chips that have higher base on the box. It looks better.

>>58837558
I would. $330 isn't a lot of money and I get more OC potential.

>>58837593
intel doesnt have the meme power that nvidia does and that sort of marketing strength only really applies to a certain segment.

>>58837644
No you don't, OC potential on the same die all comes from the wafer they're baked from, you have no way of knowing what wafer they're from or ASIC quality before buying.

>>58837644
many 6600ks clock higher than a 6700k
Same thing for Kaby Lake, the dies themself are so similar you really don't gain much more than features

>>58837621
there will be *some* segmentation, just don't expect like fifty different products you need an excel spreadsheet to navigate

Imagine next year when Zen+ comes out with more lanes, 10% higher IPC and a 512bit FPU.

If Intelfags are this salty now, what will happen once they release Coffee Lake: Skylake v3 return of electric bogaloo

>>58836961
>It's an idiotic comparison, something like 40% of the die is the iGPU on the Intel chip. Zen has no iGPU.
the comparison is purely the cores themselves.

>>58837699
>Zen+
>12 core dies
>at 3.5 base and 4.0 turbo
>150W
>$599
MAKE IT HAPPEN AMD HOLY SHIT MAKE IT HAPPEN

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>>58837036
If you look at the Summit Ridge die shot, two CCX only make up around 50% of the die, so it can be entirely possible.

>>58837699
>next year
Zen+ was confirmed as a very long term project WELL after zen has made its share of sales
CoffeeLake will be a die shrink, it's not a power draw shrink like Kaby lake was

>>58837699
>512bit FPU
Not going to happen. Power hog and few benefits for non HPC. AMD has GPGPU for that

>>58837721
Wow, core complex exclusive L3 cache, can one core0 on CCX0 talk with the L3 on CCX1?

What a interesting design

>>58837733
>CoffeeLake will be a die shrink, it's not a power draw shrink like Kaby lake was
CoffeeLake is Kaby(Sky)lake with 6 cores on 14nm, Cannonlake is the dieshrink with 4 cores(so far)

>>58837737
512bit AVX is no small part of the HPC market, and HPC market is no small part of the server market, if AMD has money there's no doubt they'll have a separate die for HPC with a bigger FPUs.

>>58837733
if bulldozer is any indication they'll iterate on it in 12-18 month intervals

>CoffeeLake will be a die shrink
that's cannonlake. coffee lake effectively be a rebrand of kaby lake.

>>58837782
Avx512 is on absolutely no silicon besides co-processors atm

>>58834658
it will release this month but nobody knows shit

>>58837753
They can, yes.
How high the bandwidth and the latency will be for one CCX accessing the L3 from another is still unknown.
Maybe they have them hardwired together somewhere, maybe they use Infinity Fabric(tm) to do so.

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>>58837885
>Infinity Fabric(tm)

>>58837721
Having a monolithic core complex would probably lower cache latencies bus round trips a lot, I can only hope they release a monolithic design sooner or later, should prove interesting.
However what if their fabric is that good that that coupling the CCX wouldn't bring any tangible improvements? This would be a revolution in multi-die designs.

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>>58834211

It's almost as if Intel had no incentive to improve performance because there was no need to compete

>>58836831
>44mm2 on 4 cores
Holy shit those APUs are gonna make Intel shit the bed, if AMD is generous with its Raven Ridge die size, they'll have a lot of room for a pretty powerful GPU in there!

Imagine some 1500 shaders in there..

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>>58837934
>However what if their fabric is that good that that coupling the CCX wouldn't bring any tangible improvements? This would be a revolution in multi-die designs.
It is possible that Freedom Fabric is just that good, I mean they don't seem to having any problems using 4 Summit Ridge dies in an MCM for Naples. There might be a small disadvantage compared to monolithic designs in an 8 core configuration, but once scaled up to 16 or 32 cores the 4 core CCX might prove it's worth.

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>all this speculation
>in reality it will get btfo
delicious amd fag tears

>>58838170
http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1331317&page_number=2

>Intel engineers in the session said the Zen core is clearly competitive

Don't worry I got a snow shovel for your tears ready, bought it yesterday.

>>58838195
inb4 Krzanich fires the guy for undermining the Great Intel

>>58834017
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>>58838195
>amd shitters believe this
LOL, Intel will still remain king.

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>>58838236

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>>58838236
Is this you, anon?

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>>58838207
>firing an engineer for being an engineer

Sounds like a retarded CEO

>>58838320
>Sounds like a retarded CEO
You're unfamiliar with Intel's CEO I take it.

>>58837007
Normalfags and fanboys weren't enough to stop the tide that the Athlon 64 made, AMD edged more than half of the market at it's peak back then
>>58837472
AMD had already announced Zen was a shitwrecker back then, and there were leaks pointing to decent performance with quite early ES chips
>>58837593
Zen is squarely pointed at enterprise, where Intel cannot compete unless they magically get a 10nm node pushing full volume within a year or have some incredibly new architecture that's polished enough to surpass Kaby Lake ready within a year
Even outside of those, a lot of OEM's already use APU's, Zen just gets even more of that
>>58837737
AVX-512 support was one of the features left out of Zen according to the team leader iirc, she said it was left out to be done in Zen+

>>58838490
>Normalfags and fanboys weren't enough to stop the tide that the Athlon 64 made,
11 years ago, Intel has far more normalfags and fanboys now.

Soon Intel will create a "game/sim enhancing" library they'll give to game devs + some cash and then only let that software run on their hardware just like Nvidias PhysX, Hairwork, Gameworks, Gamestream etc...

If that happens then I'll jump to AMD again. Havent thouched their stuff since the Athlon 64 3500 where a fckin Abit mobo cucked everything.

>>58837737
>>58837782
>>58837805
>>58838490
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>>58839256
Physx works on amd cards, they just don't have specific chips in there to mere better use of it.

>>58839817
It works with a driver hack, doesn't need a meme chip.

Everyone should go out and buy the new AMD chips just to give Intel a bloody nose.

>>58839943
ive been doing that for a decade

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>>58834017
https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=zh-CN&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://world.taobao.com/item/543819565628.htm%3FfromSite%3Dmain

>4.2 GHz
>28th February
>$280

based AMD

>>58840041
No more leaks! Can't you see that the Intel camp imploded in 2 days? What if AMD gets declared a fucking monopoly I'll shank you.

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>>58835148
HAHAHAHAHA

>>58840041
>No core count
which one is it?

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>>58840133
dual core ofc

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>>58840041

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>>58834205
good goy

>>58840133
No idea but if I were to guess based on the fact we know that a 3.6 GHz (4 GHz turbo) 8c/16t chip existed a few weeks ago, I'd say it's either an 8c/16t chip and they are stating its maximum turbo speed, or it's a 4c/6c chip and 4.2 GHz is the base speed.

>>58839971
I'd give you a medal if I could.

>>58834017
>4.6GHz stock boost
>Kaby Lake based quad core
Shit, that thing is either a housefire or will have 1.7% tier yields.

>Unlocked i5 with Hyperthreading
Just fuck my business model up senpai. Either they just cannibilized the i7 or it will be priced like an i7 and only exist to confuse consumers

>Meanwhile Intel is still battling the accidently unlocked Skylake processors
Intel is trying to convince me I need an i3 7450K when my i3 6100 will run at the same clockspeed. Do you think they're going to do that? No. If I upgrade this year it will be to a Skylake i5, not a Kaby Lake chip.

>Meanwhile hyperthreaded Pentiums eat the entry level gaming market and destroy the i3's performance for cost
WHAT IS INTEL DOING

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>>58840435
You can thank this guy for fucking up Intel

>>58840435
>WHAT IS INTEL DOING
Panicking.
http://fudzilla.com/news/42818-intels-pc-division-head-quits

>>58840462
Hes a big fucking reason for a lot of intel's faltering now, but it goes back before him even. The current and prior presidents were both tremendous fuck ups. Intel has taken a lot of diversity hires and put them in top positions within the company, the link above perfectly describes the case.

Nothing in the semiconductor industry happens over night. The problems we see bearing ill fruit today were seeds planted years ago. Mismanagement pays out dividends over time.

>>58840462
>>58840568
I'm a second year management student and it feels like some department at Intel is imploding, and people who don't understand marketing are now in charge of it

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I just want to know the price.

>>58840605
To be fair it's worked for them for years...continue making barely noticeable improvements to your CPUs, never lower the prices, and people still lap it up.

AMD has been sorely missed.

>>58840625
$499 for the lower binned 8c/16t

>>58840625
Flagship 8 core - $700
Lower clocked 8 core - $500
High clocked 6 core - $350
Lower clocked 6 core - $290
4 cores will go from $150 - $250 depending if they can clock high enough

If all of them can OC just get the cheapest one you can for the core count you want.

>>58840667
>$150 4c/8t
You're not serious, right?

>>58834072
Mark my words, AMD is going to bring the fucking hammer down on Intel from a Price/Performance perspective.

>>58834072
Intel hasn't significantly improved their architecture or made a new architecture for almost 10 years now. So I wouldn't say it's "embarrassing" that AMD fucking destroys their 10 year old arch. It will be uncomfortable for them, though, unless they have a new arch in the works that is better.

And who knows if they do, they could have just sat on their hands for years like AMD after the Athlon 64s success.

>>58840697
4 cores are just rejects of rejects, they're gonna be cheap just to pad out the market, they'll be cheap because not even the 8 cores are costly to make, they're very small dies.

>Intel spends over 15 times more on R&D(lets assume at least half on fabs) than AMD does.

too bad it's wasted on trying to get a shitty architecture (Pentium 6) going forever.

>>58840697
Well they'll have to be cheaper than Intel's equivalents and Raven Ridge (late 2017) because they don't have IGPs.

>>58840786
There's no Pentium 6, there's P6, which is the core codename for the Pentium 3/Pentium Pro line.

Yeah, retarded, but that's how it is.

>>58840605
More than one department, and the issues are compounding. A lot of things are leading to cascading failures.
Intel before the election laid of 12,000 workers in one fell swoop. This wasn't a simple downsizing of the work force though, these people were to be replaced with H1B labor.
There was a small scandal with Krzanich hosting a fund raiser for Trump only to cancel last minute. Now we see Trump intended to drastically cut back on H1Bs for the tech industry. Companies will have to prove that no American is qualified for a position before hiring a visa immigrant, and applications will be heavily scrutinized. Obviously this is putting a big cog in intel's plans.
You might recall the first mentions of intel's upcoming Cannonlake, it was actually on the table several years ago. Though in 2015 intel officially announced that the arch was to be delayed. Yield problems with their 14nm process are manifesting in their new 10nm process as well. We've already got confirmation that they'll hold on to their 10nm process for at least 3 generations of chips, they squeezed 4 out of 14nm, and this isn't a good sign. The cancellation of the Tick-Tock release cadence has far reaching implications. Bringing a new process node online is a costly investment, so clinging to a node for years like this indicates poor ROI. They can't recoup their loses on a node with one or two generations of chips any more.

Diversity hires failing in management.
CEO directing departments to make stupid decisions.
Investing large sums of cash in worthless contra revenue programs.
Abuse of H1B visas getting cut off.
Executives pushing the foundry business to the brink because near every area of the business is dependent upon their process lead, but that lead is clearly evaporating.

This is a highly profitable company set to fall apart entirely from people resting on their laurels expecting to be on easy street forever.

>>58840697
They'd have to trash that silicon otherwise. Google what the fuck Zeppelin is.

>I'm so retarded and ignored to buy AMD stock for the last 2 years.


GOD FUCK DAMN FUCKING FYUCKASDKJK21E

>>58834670
>A high end Intel Motherboard can hit $220.
Unless you're buying socket 2011 for the HEDT line that AMD claim to be aiming at with this Ryzen shit, those boards are expensive

>>58834017
>the Core i5 7640K would have active SMT (Hyper-threading)
So the i7 is just an i5 with 2mb more cache? Intel btfo incoming.

>>58841340
>So the i7 is just an i5 with 2mb more cache? Intel btfo incoming.
Yes. New bling-bling Xeons are also moar cores and moar L2.

>>58841340
>Add moar cachez
>Sell for $1000 because no yields
Dejavu

http://danluu.com/cpu-bugs/

weekly reminder

i hate this fucking shit. been saving to buy a new pc for years. now that its finally time, i have to wait one more month for benchmarks to come out.

People keep forgetting that this is a completely new core from scratch, meaning there'll be notable improvements every year while Intel is stuck with the same architecture and die shrinks until 2021 at best.

>>58841516
Neat, errata for everyone!

>>58840885
T-There's still time to b-buy r-right?

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>>58834017
>the Core i5 7640K would have active SMT (Hyper-threading)

G-Guys, I think this is what i've been waiting for. Do you think the 212 Evo would stand a chance?

>>58841559
Just remain patient, you're in the best possible position as a PC consumer in years.

>>58840891
the lack of quad channel memory and lower pci lane count on AM4 is going to make those mobos significantly cheaper to make than the LGA 2011 stuff.

but still I feel like gaymer branded 12 phase VRM shit is still going to sell for ~$200+ because why not? people are used to paying that much and they don't know shit about what I just said. selling high end AM4 mobos for much cheaper might cannibalize the Z chipset or LGA 2011 ultra-high-end Rampage Reign Of Cancer Ultra Military Grade Overcock Edition shit.

AM3+ boards were probably cheaper because people wouldn't have bought them otherwise.

>>58834017
How is this bad

High TDP is good for desktop chips

Intel is finally being a bit more fair now that AMD is starting to be competitive again. Can't jew their customers anymore

>>58841928

Absolutely. There will be pops with announcements in the upcoming months, regardless of how well AMD does in the next couple of years.

>>58842328
>How is this bad
Its akin to AMD's FX Centurion line. Aka "we have no idea what to do for performance so we'll just release a factory overclocked chip with a higher TDP"
Though that is what Kaby Lake is to a T. This is just another meaningless Kaby Lake SKU.

>>58842328
>How is this bad
It's literally old chips with higher base clocks and better binning. Also housefires.

>>58834072
Intel is involved in like 6 more markets than AMD

Not all of the money is going towards CPUs

>>58842361
>Also housefires.
Buy a lower clocked chip and use a stock cooler then

>>58842390
Also "cheap" i5 with hyperthreading

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Can't wait to see Intel shills crying and suffering massive pain when Keller's CPU makes amd great again. It will get even worse as soon as ryzen+igpus will arrive. Intel will be literally finished by that point.

It have been nice years with Intel and I enjoyed it alot but now it's time to let the real master of cpu design lead the market again

I'm almost crying of joy at this point, ryzen will be so beautiful.

>>58842435
Calm down poojet.

>>58835148
>including the top of the line i7 6950X
Yeah sure, because AMD is going to ship their top of the line CPU at $1500 MSRP too.

>>58842706
>$1500 MSRP too.
6950x is actually $1700 MSRP.

>>58842732
Well, you get my point. Even Intel's 8 cores / 16 threads CPU is $1000 on amazon right now, is just stupid.

I'm not trying to defend AMD, what bothers me is how do they justify does prices?

I now you can compare them but, the FX8350 is something about $200 right now, and let's be honest here, unless you would be rendering large 4k videos, you would not see any difference in muh games.

>>58842887
>how do they justify does prices?
Those*

Should I get the 1050 ti? mid gamer and not rich etc

seems to be best bang for buck correct?

>>58843030
>seems to be best bang for buck correct?
That's 480 4gb, then comes 470.

>>58843030
You can spend a bit more and get a lot more perfomance with a 470, depending on where you live

>>58842887
>>58842922
>what bothers me is how do they justify those prices?
The i7E line is prosumer, one step below enterprise. You'll typically find somewhat comparable enterprise SKUs priced very similarly to the top end i7E, the only difference being something like ECC support or some other feature.

>>58843037
Yeah, that's sort of the option 1050 ti or the 470 or 480 which I believe cost more than the 1050 ti . And I think the ti would be more than enough for me desu. I really only play D3 right now

>>58840041
Motherfucker

>>58843096
470 is still generally a better buy. The choice is up to you.

>>58843153
I'll see. why are review son newegg better for 1050 ti over than the 470?

which ever is better I am down. Normally prefer NVDIA but I'm not a shill so honestly which is better. I think I'd be happy enough with both of them

>>58843227
>why are review son newegg better for 1050 ti over than the 470?
Fanboys, as always. 1050ti is extremely mediocre card. Good NVIDIA are 1060 6gb onwards.

>>58840697
Why the fuck not? 90% of CPUs these days spend their time rendering streamed porno, facebook, instagram and anime. So 90% of people are going to be fine with 4c/4t chips.

Fuck, even 2c/4t is an overkill for most of what normies do. My wife is on A10-5800 on IGPU and it is too much for her anyways.

>>58842361
Higher clocks with dramatically higher tdp is not a sign of a better binned chip.

>>58843227
Well for an extra ~$40 the 470 is about 50% faster than the 1050ti. If you can afford that then there's no reason to go with the 1050ti.

>>58843320
Well that's as far as you can go with bolted P6 core.

>>58840041
Dammit - if they pull off 4.2 base 4c/8t or 6c/12t chip then Intel will have a tough cookie to crunch.

>>58843345
Pentium PRO - 5.5million trannies
I7 7700k - 1500 million trannies

I think they changed things here and there a bit...

>>58843418
They could probably do it inside of 125w for 6 core.
Though this depends on a chip with defective cores still being strong when it comes to clock binning.

>>58843332
which 47 version do you think is best? MSI?Saphhire?

>>58843693
Probably Sapphire.

>>58843693
Asus or Gigabyte

>>58834017
>>58840304
Next few weeks are going to be fun.

>>58835148
>"Intel has been optimizing the 14nm process at its fabrication plants for almost two years"

And what do we have to show for it? Kaby Lake?

>>58834017
So now that Ryzen is supporting 7 will Intel do it too?

Ah I sure am glad I waited for Ryzen. I will be able to enjoy my sweet W7 without Intels assfuckery too it seems.

>>58843825
Thats some legit weasel wording on intel's part. 14nm parts from intel have been on the market since Q4 2014. They first entered volume production beginning Q2, and pre production was even earlier than that obviously. Their 14nm node has been being optimized for 3 years already, and the crowning achievement Kaby Lake draws more power at equal clocks than Skylake.

That really is damage control marketing. Also
>moar cores doesn't matter but we offer moar cores!

Damage. Control.

>>58843096
470 is like 150% faster or more than the 1050ti

>>58845036
200% faster or so in Vulkan DOOM

>>58834017
So, we get i7 for i5 price now because of Based Jim Keller?

>>58845290
Not necessarily. These new SKUs are Kaby Lake-X. They're the same silicon, but they're not on the mainstream socket. They're being released on the enthusiast 2066 socket which the new HEDT Skylake-E parts will be on.

Intel isn't a friend to the consumer, they're not doing you any favors. 112w Kaby Lake on a brand new socket, offering no performance over a Skylake with a mild overclock. Buy the exact same processor 3 times in a row, goyim!

>>58834310
TIM won't kill the CPU as early as solder. When solder fails, it's a fatal failure. When TIM fails, it turns into gunk that can still transfer heat.

>>58840350
zen supposedly has no max turbo, the cpu will clock as high as cooling lets it.

>>58834017
>Until now, the Core i5 were distinguished from the Core i7 by the absence of Hyper-threading.
What? i5 has had HT models since ever.

>>58834017
>first time an i5 would carry that particular piece of technology

Who wrote this?

>Example
https://ark.intel.com/products/67355/Intel-Core-i5-3210M-Processor-3M-Cache-up-to-3_10-GHz-rPGA

># of Cores 2
># of Threads 4
>Intel® Hyper-Threading Technology ‡ Yes

>>58838028
Wow, but no way, our Intel would never do that!!!

>>58846043
There is absolutely no standard for what configuration their mobile cores carry.

>>58843030
the only time you should consider getting a 1050ti is if you have a shitty prebuilt with a crap PSU but even then a good enough PSU for the rx470 would only set you back 20-30 dollars

>>58846069
https://ark.intel.com/products/48504/Intel-Core-i5-680-Processor-4M-Cache-3_60-GHz
https://ark.intel.com/products/48750/Intel-Core-i5-655K-Processor-4M-Cache-3_20-GHz

There, I'll help the guy you're talking to out a little.

>>58834072
One company has billions for R&D.
The other has Jim Keller.

Will Ryzen cause Intel to exit the PC chip business?

>>58846147
Its true that intel does have more money to throw around than little old AMD, but there are really big caveats.
Intel hasn't been spending that much on R&D for their CPU division. Most R&D expenditures go to their foundry business right off the bat. They're trying to compete in numerous market segments like IOT which AMD has no part in as well.

AMD really wasn't that seriously disadvantaged, their only issue was management. Big or small what determines how successful a company is comes down to who runs it and what decisions they make in a leadership role.

>>58840041
>>58840133

its prolly the 4c cores considering the price.
if the 8cores can reach 4.0- 4.2 intel is dead.

>>58846161
If they keep their current CEO he might try to break up Intel and AMD instead of being in the backburner for a few years working on a new arch

>>58834017
>Intel messing the neat segregation of their lineup in such a rushed way, potentially ruining the normie i3/i5/i7 illusion and thus future profits

Damn, they must REALLY be scared of Zen to resort to such a myopic knee-jerk response.

>>58834552
>I've been looking for a replacement for the trusty 2500K

We'll never have a replacement and you know it, an 2500K today OC'd stands up to the newest shit

>I know lets make a new CPU, that doesn't need upgrading for another decade

Said intel in the bearenstein dimension

>>58846253
>If they keep their current CEO he might try to break up Intel and AMD
What did he mean by this?

>>58846069
>i5 has NEVER had that technology
>yet there are several mobile and desktop i5's with it
You are a retard, kek, did you write that article?

>>58834072
Lol Intel could outright destroy AMD easily if it wanted, but it won't, because monopoly laws would annihilate Intel.

AMD being barely kept alive on life-support is very profitable for Intel, if AMD does shit out anything worthwhile Intel would start pouring all those "OEM bonuses" to R&D instead and dominate the market for another decade.

>>58846284
are you retarded? 2500k bottleneck me in most AAA games now, and mine can't oc past 4.4ghz anyway so it's even worse i need new cpu asap and newest intel cpus aren't big leap worth spending $500

>>58846345
>>58834072
>>58834041
>t. 16 year olds

>>58846253
Intel won't break up in any major way. They'll likely liquidate some of their acquisitions though. Spending all that money buying up firms to have no tangible benefit years down the line, not a good practice.

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>>58846342
You seem to be mentally deficient and grasping at imaginary straws.
Please point out where I said those precise words. I can wait.

>>58843967
emergancy drivers

AMD is awful but it has to survive because if it doesn't Intel will cuck us more than they already are. On top of Nvidya.

>>58846365
Intel need to take a serious financial hit so they drop this diversity nonsense and stop wasting money

>>58842158
On a phenom II 955
ddr2 800mhz memory clocked to 677 because I didn't want to fuck with overvolting

No oc
Motherboard apparently at more risk then processor
2400$ set aside for the upgrade
500$ deducted as part of it is going to be a gift
No need for a gpu, got a 280x and can likely wait it out for navi/volta if vega fucking sucks

My body is ready for the upgrade
currently putting together lists of possible builds,
a 600$ intel cpu to simulate amd
a 250$ motherboard
1tb ssd
8tb hdd
32gb of 3200 ram
d15
fan controller
card reader
possibly a new blu ray burner
a full modular 700-850 watt psu from seasonic/corsair
and a thermaltake cube x9

When will amd take my fucking money, I have been throwing at the screen for months.

>>58846021
Yeah, but those were 2 cores 4 threads. Too lazy to properly look it up but has there ever been a 4 core 8 thread i5?

>>58847422
Nope. 8 threads on i5 would be a first. But it also wouldn't surprise me if next Intel consumer lineup had 6 core 12 thread i7s and 4 core 8 thread i5s. With i3s being 4 core 4 thread. 2 cores 4 threads is borderline unusable today. A lot of games run like garbage on those. To a point where even AMD faildozer works better. AND for a lower price. Now that is sad.

>>58846021
>>58847422
>>58847471

the mobile variants dont count. Mobile models are a mess. No rules on the names or anything.

>>58847767
I linked you two non-mobile i5s with 2 cores and 4 threads.

>>58847783
that are also from before their main line had settled down.
i-series didn't settle into the mainline i3 2c/4t i5 4c/4t i7 4c/8t until Sandy, everything from the core2 series until sandy was a mess of naming.

>>58834899
>5mm larger with a iGpu still places Intel ahead
Aaaand L2 cache puts it behind.

>>58847471
>2 cores 4 threads is borderline unusable today.

2C/4T works fine for almost all games, obviously not keeping at 60fps for all of them (though still quite a lot of them) and all consistently over 30 for what it doesnt do 60

>>58848632
30FPS is basically unplayable, but I wouldn't expect someone who has only ever experienced sub-60 FPS to understand this.