/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

Anyone know a good short video that explains TCP/IP?

What's the best way to create a dual-boot solution alongside Windows on a laptop?

Thinking of installing 1 or 2 OSes as an alternative to W10 as my laptop runs quite slowly. I was thinking of using Linux as a daily driver, and switch to W10 for programs that I still need.

I don't know Linux either, so I wanted to install a distro to learn Linux as well - what would you guys recommend? I was thinking of going Ubuntu or Debian

>>58723360

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLzxrzFCyOs

>>58723406
pretty good, but im still not understanding what ports are for.

>>58723422
ports are like the checkpoint lanes on the border

>>58723360
>>58723406

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rR8p6gsExY

>>58723460
I saw that on the cs50 course vids.

All of my watts

>>58723386
Ubuntu. Setup is easy and most if not all things will work out of the box so you can focus on learning commands instead of fixing broken shit

>>58723259
The picture is shit. Kill nonfree software, not people.

>>58723754
it's easier to unload my nine into apple store line

>>58723754
they clearly explain that they are mac and pc, not alice and bob

>>58723386
Ubuntu or Mint

I prefer Mint, but they're pretty equal.

>>58723775
>but they're pretty equal.
No they aren't.
Take Ubuntu, add more non-free crap, remove security, and you have Mint.

>>58723599
I was thinking of going for as it's still noob-friendly and supports pretty much all packages meant for Ubuntu and vice versa.

I have experience in using Ubuntu and I like it, but I feel like I should get Debian as it's a better to learn and progress with Linux, and not to mention the hate that Ubuntu gets

>>58723386
GNU/Linux*

get Ubuntu

>>58723775
I like Mint, but it's not as supported in terms of programs that you can install.

I want to install Linux that ideally replaces Window for a slowish laptop, and boot into Windows for programs that I need but can't get for Linux.

>>58723799
>and not to mention the hate that Ubuntu gets
anon, don't give a fuck what people say, learn with ubuntu and switch when you are save enough
dont install something you can't handle and break everything only because some people laugh at your distro

>>58723831
GNU/Linux*

>tfw gnome-look.org (all opendesktop.org sites in fact) are unusable garbage.
Can someone tell me WHY did they change the website?

The new one doesn't even have a search function that works

>>58723842
There are people who visit these sites?

>>58723856
do you have an alternative?

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>tfw you cp -r a big fucking folder and forget to -v

>>58723460
Thanks. Pretty good.

>>58723870
kek

>>58723866
I'd say dotshare, deviantart and github. That said, the best rice is your own rice.

>>58723870

diff -r /path_a/ /path_b/

>>58723891
>I'd say dotshare
no gtk themes
>deviantart
no gtk themes, loads of furfaggotry
>github
ebun

What's a good terminal emulator, /fglt/?
Been using urxvt for 5 years and want a change

>>58723939
look better, deviantart is full of nice gtk themes

>>58723947
try terminology, all sorts of epic bloat

>>58723947
check the AUR for interesting patches and stick to urxvt

>>58723947
look into termite
not my cup of tea, but maybe yours?

>>58723799
I used arch and fedora before for extended periods of time. I'm now using Ubuntu 16.04 lts. Don't let the opinion of others sway you. Ubuntu is nice and just werks while giving you the chance to try new stuff and learn

>>58723870
> wow, there exist such a -v option
Thanks, what I expect was progress, but this is enough.

>>58723841
>>58723807
Autistic shitposter

>>58724192
I used arch and gentoo before for extended periods of time. I'm now using Slackware 14.2. Don't let the opinion of others sway you. Slackware is nice and not just werks but also stable while giving you the chance to try new stuff and learn

>>58724450
friendly thread

>>58723799
>feel like I should get Debian as it's a better to learn and progress with Linux
You might want to drop the silly idea that any distro is better or worse "to learn linux"

You won't learn linux just by using it, and if you want to learn about it the distro doesn't matter.

>>58724527
GNU/Linux*

>>58724465
I used nixos and guix before for extended periods of time. I'm now using lfs. Don't let the opinion of others sway you. lfs is nice and not just werks but also stable while giving you the chance to try new stuff and learn

Anyone know why when I open my terminal emulator on my shiny new Fedora it opens at /? ~ still references where it needs to, but I'd hate to have to keep a bashrc that says cd ~ just to normally use my terminal.

>>58724563
Are you root when you open it?

>>58724581
No, otherwise ~ would go to /root.

>>58724563
Try

strace youtterminal

to see what happens, what configs get read, etc

>>58724563
or better "lsof"

Could any Xmonad users direct me towards how to set up brightness control on my laptop? A link, or even a search suggestion would be appreciate. I can't find anything on the topic.

So, as I said earlier, pacman broke GNOME in the last update. I had to work so I uninstalled it and installed xfce4 for a quick fix
Now some solutions to the problem seem to have surfaced on the Arch forum and reddit.
What is the best option in terms of time wasted/time saved in the future?
- try these fixes, go back to GNOME and pay more attention to the community before freaking out next time
- stay in xfce and finish configuring it
- drop Arch and go for a distro that just werks™

>>58724657
If you're on Arch, why would you use anything other than a riced-out tiling window manager?

>>58724657
>pacman broke GNOME
Was it because you had Infinality installed?

>>58724527
this. The most you will learn from using "difficult" distros is how to use a new package manager and maybe the ins and outs of installing a Desktop Environment and other shit, but nothing about GNU/Linux itself

>>58723997
Termite is great

>>58724657
Install Fedora if you're gonna use Gnome

>>58724657
Drop Gnome, it's shit

>>58724654
man xbacklight

your choice in WM isn't really related

>>58724692
That could be it too. But people are blaming the Wayland backend
>>58724685
I get that a lot, I think I should just stop being lazy and try out this, is there a basic tutorial? What should I read on, i3?

>>58724657
>pacman broke
That's normal.

>>58724714
Eh, I kind of disagree. Shit like Arch does force you to at least look at the more mundane steps involved in setting things up.But, ultimately, your usage habits will dictate how much you learn. If you don't like a challenge, or like to explore, you probably won't learn shit from any distro.

>>58724769
The 3 most important shortcuts to get you started in i3 is Super+Enter, Super+D and Super+Shift+Q. After that just read the online i3 user guide.

>>58724769
>What should I read on, i3?
There's a great tutorial on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1I63wGcvU4

>>58724788
Like what? Setting up your partitions in the CLI?

>>58724764
>xbacklight
bloat, what is xrandr or /proc/?

>Ubuntu LTS will get kernel 4.8 in Feb
>Ubuntu still supports 32-bit, unlike Arch
>Ubuntu's kernel is less bloated than Arch's
How can Archfags compete at this point? How long will they continue on as the developers drop and twist the distro out of sheer laziness and convenience? It's sad, to be honest.

>>58724837
>Ubuntu still supports 32-bit
Do you use some shitty Atom or a machine right out of a museum?

>>58724829
That's the least of it really. Networking is a big one that a lot of people have trouble with even after years of using Linux.

>>58724837
Arch has always been like that. The whole Arch-Way, Kiss, lightweight, minimal, whatever thing is a community meme, confirmed here: https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2015-July/039443.html

>>58724870
>unable to appreciate legacy hardware
>calls computers "machines"
Typical.

>>58724837
>How can Archfags compete at this point?
I didn't realize there was a competition. Besides, Canonical is a business, Arch isn't making money supporting crap nobody uses.

>>58724929
What do you think computers are? Women?

>>58724936
this
arch may be a meme, but ubuntu is the enemy

reminder that canonical helped microsoft to make "linux on windows" a thing

>>58724929
>no understanding why Windows is so vulnerable to attack in the first place

>>58724898
Wow
So wait, what is the point of using Arch then? Ricing only?

Xfce or MATE?
Debian Testing, Ubuntu or Mint?

>>58724965
Reminder that there is no "linux on windows". It's actually a subsystem which translates what programs say so Window's kernel can understand it.

The whole thing is absolut completly retarded, btw. cygwin was a thing before and virtual machines too. If you ask me, the whole thing is simply a marketing prank.

>>58725064
How should WE know what fits YOUR needs?

>>58724898
>Arch is the opposite of a distribution with lots of user freedom. Users will come and go based on whether they like the technical decisions made by the developers. The popularily of those decisions has no impact on how things are done, regardless of how vocal users are about it.
>What hypocrisy? When have you seen the developers state that they care about user freedom, or that the distribution is based on minimalism?
This is sick.
>>58724936
>I didn't realize there was a competition
Too bad, because if it were, Arch developers would be forced to make an effort instead of dropping support as convenient, and integrating bloat as on whim.
>>58724965
Arch developers helped integrate systemd out of literal convenience to them.
>>58724967
Who is talking about Windows? But speaking of potential vulnerabilities:
>systemd

>>58725098
It's an open-ended question, read it as "why do you use X instead of Y?" if you want. I'm still weighting which one I choose, currently I'm using LMDE with some ugly PPA hacking.

Stuff I dislike:

>Xfce - it "feels" wrong, requires some tweaking before up to my tastes
>MATE - GTK3 applications don't follow the theme

>Ubuntu - privacy concerns due to the later Amazon fiasco
>Mint - boggled down Synaptic
>Debian - no decent access to PPAs

what distro does /fglt/ use?

>>58725213
The best.

>>58725182
Related question: is GNOME 3 viable yet? As in, can I tweak it to my tastes without too much effort, like one could do for GNOME 2/MATE? I'd rather use GTK3 due to the theming issue, but I tried G3 some years ago and hated it.

>>58725182
PPAs were a mistake

>>58725213
The best.

>>58725213
I use Ubuntu 16.10. I like it.

I've been trying to install Arch in a VM on my ancient macbook all day in preparation for installing it on the memepad I just finished refurbishing. I keep either fucking up in some stupid way, or my laptop crashes and I lose my save. I have yet to get past installing the base packages. Partitioning alone took me four tries because I kept forgetting what I was doing or making typos and then having to reset the entire thing. I'm not even sure if the laptop continuously crashing is because of something I'm fucking up or the system not being able to handle it.

I've been drinking for eight hours now after getting two hours of sleep, and I'm sure that compounded with my frustration is what makes me keep fucking up in such retarded ways, but I'm disgusted with myself for failing at something I did effortlessly when I was 14. Just kill me.

Is there a way to tell if I'm in a tty or tmux?
I have a todo script writing a bunch of text whenever I log in and it would be nice if it only ever ran on tty1.

>>58725445
isnt that stuff in $TERM?

>>58725445
Can your script just edit /etc/issue? That's where the text displayed at the top of tty comes from when you log in

>fedora partition stops booting
>thought it was my fault for messing with unstable packages, nuke it
>new fedora boots fine
>upgrade with stable packages
>stops booting again
gg Red Hat

>>58725213
Better than the best.

>>58725480
yes it is, thanks

>>58725490
no, I use /etc/issue for a giant ascii skull

Can the ALT key work as the mod key in i3 and not interfere with programs? It is much more comfortable than using the windows key for me.

>>58725490
/etc/motd would be better suited for that, but I have a clear command in .bash_profile to clear the screen of the giant ascii skull and login text when I login

>>58725053
What's "The Point" of any distro? "The Point" is a meme akin to "Code of Conduct". It's a bunch of bullshit adopted from the corporate world.

>>58725627
Yes.When you first start i3 it gives you the option to configure the ALT or Windows key, but you can change it later in the config file.

>>58723947
st

>>58723259
So I messes around with Ubuntu on VM ware and I want to take it to the next step. I am thinking of installing it next to windows so I can actually play around with it and have it be persistent instead of live trash. Is there another option or is that pretty much it.

>>58723386
Bunsenlabs

>>58725213
Ubuntu 16.10 with cinnamon DE.
pretty comfy my dude

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>>58723259
wasn't sure if I should post it here or in /sqt/ but anyway, been installing arch in virtualbox a few times, each time learning a bit more. last step I took here was to install base, change root to the installed system, set the timezone and uncomment my location in 'locale.gen' in '/etc/locale.gen',. in the next step, wiki says

Set the LANG variable in locale.conf(5) accordingly, for example:
/etc/locale.conf
LANG=en_US.UTF-8

but I cannot find this file 'locale.conf'. is it supposed to be in /etc/ too or somewhere else? or am I supposed to create it as a .txt?

pls no bully

pic related

>>58726194
do it

>>58726322
create it and put that single line in

>>58726351
ok thanks. and I assume I should create a .txt for this too?

If you set the keyboard layout, make the changes persistent in vconsole.conf(5):
/etc/vconsole.conf
KEYMAP=de-latin1

>>58726386
you don't need txt's and you don't need to touch vconsole.conf

Hi I just discovered

python -m SimpleHTTPServer

Looking for a good guide to get into Passthrough on Arch. Can anyone help me?

>>58726488
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PCI_passthrough_via_OVMF
retard

>>58726464
nice

>>58726295
Is it much trouble changing to Cinnamon from xfce?

>>58726464
on arch replace python with python2, since arch is stupid :^)

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>"press any key to return"
>press ctrl+c

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>>58726714
>try to copy from the terminal on Arch
>just prints ^C
Linux just werks guys :^)

>>58726741
get killed frogposter

>>58726698
Thank you for pointing that

>>58725213
Manjaro with i3 on a MacBook Air

I'm running Ubuntu and want a way to independently calibrate my color/gamma settings. Also I'm dumb as shit, please help.

Try crtl+insert :v)

>>58725213
centos 7 gnome (there is kde but its shit in this distro because it lacks kmail) on a shitty netbook.

Is there any reason I should switch from Ubuntu mate 16.04 to debian? All I do is shitpost, watch animu/read mango, and write c and ruby programs, but I feel bad about using a babby distro on a thinkpad.

>>58727534
use Arch

>>58727534
Freedom

>>58727534
I'd recommend devuan

>>58727562
top meme

>>58727592
this is a better one >>58727586

>>58727599
even ubuntu is a better option than arch breh

>>58727615
>t. guy who can't install arch

>>58727615
and more lightweight

>>58727649
>t. this guy >>58727615

>>58727534
Arch Linux is the best rolling-release distribution out there. Period. Ok, I could be biased because I am an Arch Linux user. However, the reason behind my claim is that Arch excels in many other areas, too, and that’s why I use it as my main operating system.

Arch Linux is a great distro for those who want to learn everything about Linux. Because you have to install everything manually, you learn all the bits and pieces of a Linux-based operating system.

Arch is the most customizable distribution. There is no “Arch” flavor of any DE. All you get is a foundation and you can build whatever distro want, on top of it. For good or for worse, unlike openSUSE or Ubuntu there is no extra patching or integration. You get what upstream developers created. Period.

Arch Linux is also one of the best rolling releases. It’s always updated. Users always run the latest packages, and they can also run pre-released software through unstable repositories.

Arch is also known for having excellent documentation. Arch Wiki is my to-go resource for everything Linux related.

What I like the most about Arch is that is offers almost every package and software that’s available for “any” Linux distribution, thanks to the Arch User Repository, aka AUR.

>>58727599
>>58727586
alright I am installing devuan jessie beta right now and backing up my anime and pictures. thanks senpai.

>>58727677
>backing up my anime and pictures
While I'm not opposed, didn't you have a /home to just not format?

>>58723259
10/10, made me laugh and remind me of old school 4chan, back when there wasn't so much consumerist crap

>>58727676
I don't know if this is a copypasta or not, but I've done arch installs before. It just isn't my jam, and I have no real reason to go through the hassle of setting it all up, nor a reason to set up my system from the ground up. I will get good enough preformance for what I do(shitpost/watch anime/read manga/c&ruby programs) one pretty much any distro. I could use hannah montana linux and do the same shit, but I have always liked barebones debian.

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it lasted 3 hours on windows

what the fuck is this shit?

>>58727876
>using gnom

I love my GNU

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>>58728167
May the freedom be with you

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Is Ubuntu Mate LTS the distro of choice for mothers? Keep in mind I've got to SSH in and maintain the system

I've posted this in two SQTs, but haven't been able to get an answer, so I'll try again here.

I have a laptop dual-booting Win10 and Ubuntu GNOME. However, the BIOS of the laptop wouldn't let me disable Secure Boot, so I had to do it through the Ubuntu GNOME installer. Considering that the splash screen now says "Booting in insecure mode," I'm assuming it worked. However, the installer was unable to install several hardware drivers, such as Wifi and battery, which worked just fine in the live environment. I'm thinking of just deleting the Linux partition and trying again. A few days ago, though, someone made a post about how that screwed up his system. If I were to put Windows Boot Manager at the top of the boot order beforehand, would I have that same problem?

>>58728276
It's a fucking nightmare to try to dual boot win10 with anything else.

I've broken tens of installs trying to get it to work and now I simply use linux and have a VM with windows for extreme cases.

Unless you absolutely 100% need a non-virtualized windows, I don't recommend trying to dual boot.

>>58728425
I keep Windows around because some of my Steam games require it and several other games I have supposedly don't work well under Wine. Also, I have a considerable number of games that require Japanese locale to work. If dual-booting is a bad idea, how can I solve these problems? And if I just need to suck it up and keep Windows, is there any way to get back the half of my hard drive that's being hogged by Linux?

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Why is this picture red?

Well, it doesn't seem to work. This is the exact same picture, posted here, it turns blue.
https://rbt.asia/boards/g/img/0413/90/1397575081566.jpg

what the heck

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How do I save "Force Full Composition Pipeline" so that it's enabled at every boot or login?

>>58728783
Put it in your xorg.conf or your monitor conf

>>58728585
Depending on your hardware and how much you're willing to compromise, you could play your steam games on a vm.

The japanese ones you should definitively be able to play them on one.

You should be able to get your space back using gparted or windows' partition manager

should I get windows 7 or xp from piratebay to put in a virtual machine?

>>58728816
That the save to x button?
Where is the config usually stored? Ubuntu 16.04 btw

>>58728861
If you dont have an explicit purpose for downloading XP, then dont do it.

>>58728898
xp is lighter, so I figure it'd be better for an x201

>>58728925
Fellow x201 user I see. I had a VM in virtual box with pirated Windows 7 32 bit, 1gb ram, and maybe 2 processors, although I think 1. It ran wonderfully, even with Firefox, although I would recommend midori. Keep using patrician-tier laptops man.

so I've been using xubuntu as my first distro for a couple of months of my laptop, enjoying it so far. I want to try another distro should I try debian or arch linux? Also what are the benefits or major differences when changing distros (Ie changing from xubuntu to debian?)

>>58729080
Debian isn't very different. Try Sabayon, OpenSuSe, Arch, Gentoo, Fedora, whatever.

> Also what are the benefits or major differences when changing distros (Ie changing from xubuntu to debian?)
If you pick like I did, you get a different package manager and other sysadmin tooling. With other modes of operation.

Together with different maintainers making different choices on your default configuration (also down to how compiled binaries are configured), it's a differently "managed" distribution.

>>58727876
install tlp or powertop

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Is there such a thing as Spotlight for Linux? I'm interested in something that can search through mhtml, PDF, html, epub files. I have a ton of those but can't search through them. OSX can index all those and then you can grep through it.

How do I do this?

>>58729370
GNU/Linux*

>>58729370
grep

>>58729370
Any of these?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_search_engines#Desktop_search_engines

There is also more "document library" focused software that can search.

Hey guys, could I have Windows and a Linux distro on 2 separate harddrives and have the computer boot to the bootloader to choose which OS to load every time I turn it on?

I know I can choose which device to boot to from the BIOS but going into BIOs every time I turn the PC on would be a pain.

>>58729410
>grep
can't grep thorough compressed files, retard. and you can't even grep through encoded PDFs.

>>58729430
GNU/Linux*

>>58729417
Interesting list. Thanks! Any idea which of these is the best? Does anyone here use any of these?

>>58729417
PS: Baloo is integrated in KDE, might be one of the closest alternatives?

>>58729430
Yes. That's the typical thing you use GRUB2 for (has long been that way, over a decade, it was just GRUB1 and LILO).

On a sidenote, it's not THAT much of a pain on certain UEFI booting BIOS'. But yea, you want GRUB2. Which is default on almost all distros.

>>58725213
OpenSUSE

>>58729454
>PS: Baloo is integrated in KDE, might be one of the closest alternatives?
I use GNOME... would prefer something GTK+ but will try Baloo for sure.

>>58729456
do you have issues with dependency hell?

>>58727677
alright, just finished up the install and getting my thinkpad trackpoint working. I installed mate on devuan too, so it is basically like nothing changed, except I use a shit ton less ram.

>>58729452
Plasma Search / Baloo is well integrated with KDE 5 and has been just fine for me. Worth trying.

Maybe Recoll or DocFetcher on other WM/DE?

>>58729548
>baloo
just looked though AUR and it has a lot of KDE dependencies. not sure if I could even run it well under GNOME.

>Maybe Recoll or DocFetcher on other WM/DE?
Will have a look. Have you used any of these?

I really don't need anythign complex... just something that I can run when needed and index my PDF/mhtml/epub folders so I can search through files and find papers/books with search terms I need.

>>58729448
I dont use gnu, i use busybox

What is the point of the color palette that I see on some (>GNU)/linux screenshots?

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>>58723259

>>58729470
I've always preferred QT myself.

Anyhow, the other two options should work. I think they're also better if you have complex queries.

>>58729596
>just looked though AUR and it has a lot of KDE dependencies. not sure if I could even run it well under GNOME.
It could in theory, but GNOME has no integration for it AFAIK. The dependencies are partly Arch's choice.

Anyhow, not good for GNOME, yea.

> Will have a look. Have you used any of these?
It has been a while. And I never really needed them. But they should do what you want.

is there a way to use w3m-img to "cat" an image on a terminal?

>>58729671
Thanks anon! Those two you suggested look very cool and look like they might work out (one missing file format I need is mhtml but will check if they support it). It's interesting how they're not even in that Wikipedia list!

>>58728828
>You should be able to get your space back using gparted or windows' partition manager
So deleting the Linux partition really wouldn't screw up the boot process?

Yep, has been done 1000 times. For example: http://blog.z3bra.org/2014/01/images-in-terminal.html

I prefer this little script using w3m directly:

i3m() {
    tput smcup
    tput civis
    w3m -X "$@" \
        -o confirm_qq=0 \
        -o ext_image_viewer=0 \
        -o image_scale="$((LINES/2*5))"
    tput clear
    tput rmcup
    tput cnorm
}

>>58729771
GNU/Linux*

>>58729793
for >>58729708

>>58729793
that scaling needs some proper math
try "identify" from imagemagick to get the image resolution and scale to COLUMNS

>>58729793
nice, thanks

>>58729838
Good idea, ty.

What can I do to make my headless server a mainframe? My roomie, myself, and my brother all enjoy Linux, but have Windows programs which we cannot do without (gaymen, AutoCAD, Excel). The compromise we've been able to come to is to make a server where I am the administrator, and we all SSH in, with X11 forwarding. Listen to the same mpd, share a VPN connection (my account only allows 1 user to be on VPN at a time), and have access to that cozy command line. The problem is, the server load is getting a little heavier, and the file permissions on some folders we share are getting harder to manage.
TL;DR: I want to have a 1972 UNIX mainframe with many users. Tips and tricks?

>>58724416
Yesterday, a kind anon taught me rsync --progress -rR foo/ bar/

>>58729857
debian minimal install

>>58729902
I'm already running arch, but I tried to run it as a desktop for a short while. What can I strip out?

Im looking for a good laptop and I'd like to install linux on it to get used to linux. I've only ever owned a thinkpad (2004-2008) and everyone seems to suggest thinkpads are great. Will linux get rid of the superfish meme? What distro would be good (Im assuming some variant of ubuntu would be a good place to start)

>>58729981
the only /g/ approved thinkpads are old as sin, so ignore that meme and just get any refurbished business grade laptop that has the specs you want

>>58730039
to be fair I hate track pads and want a fucking clit mouse. So it limits the field a bit. I honestly just want it so i can lay in bed and type. Maybe stream movies to.

>>58730078
my hpt elitebook has a clit mouse, so it's not limited to thinkpads, in fact I think it's sorta standard on business laptops

>>58730092
btw I got the thing off newegg refurbished for one sixty, you can find good deals if you look around and there's really no point buying something underpowered when for the same price point you can get a used something with better specs

>>58729751
I didn't carefully check WP. Guess they don't list many.

[Not that I can be arsed to add this to WP myself now... WP had too many faggot editors for me to still care much.]

And I thought at least DocFetcher supports MHTML.

K guys, I installed devuan and it has been going great, I was able to install vim no problem. However, I just tried to install build-essential, and when I typed in

 sudo apt-get install build-essential 

it is asking me to put the devuan installation media in the cdrom and press enter. I'm on a thinkpad and don't have a cdrom and I installed it off a flashdrive, but either way I know that it should not be asking this when I try to install build-essential. It also did the same shit when i tried just to install gcc. What am I doing wrong?

>>58730092
Is it? Thank fucking christ.

>>58730125
never mind, fixed it by commenting out the cdrom thing in /etc/apt/sources.list

I figure this thread is the best place to post this on the board, so here goes.

What exactly is so evil about proprietary software? I'm sure a vast majority of you are more knowledgeable on the nitty gritty technical side of things, so I just want to talk about the philosophy of it.

I've never seen an advocate for proprietary software and it seems that anyone who has an opinion on the topic is pro open source, so I'd just like to play devil's advocate and defend keeping the source code of software hidden (as I understand it). The way I see it, someone can spend their time and intellectual effort to create some digital product to sell to willing customers (very much stemming from the cornerstone of capitalism). I looked at the four essential freedoms, and they look more like demands than freedoms to me. Freedom 0 I don't see how proprietary software suppresses this, freedom 1 seems more like an entitlement than a freedom, freedom 2 ESPECIALLY sounds like an entitlement more than a freedom, and freedom 3 sounds like it has its merits, people improving some product for free is always welcome.

I don't mean to pick a fight or insult you guys, I'm just curious why open source is seemingly universally praised when the opposite of it is a pretty standard rank and file capitalistic practice

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Trying to install extlinux.

So according to this guide: http://shallowsky.com/linux/extlinux.html

I'm supposed to have /boot/extlinux after installing the packages (On Debian). (I use Stretch btw) However, I don't have that directory. I've checked the Arch wiki, which has a script for it, but I don't use Arch. The Gentoo Wiki doesn't say anything about the configuration files, either.

extlinux --install simply says that /boot/extlinux isn't a directory. searxing this yields no results.

Turns out that attempting to replace grub is even harder than replacing systemd. I've had similar issues getting LILO to work.

>>58729853
>>58729838
I tried.

i3m() {
    i="${1:?}"

    w="$((
        $(tput cols) * 100 / $(identify -format '%w' "${i}") * 2
    ))"

    h="$((
        $(tput cols) * 100 / $(identify -format '%h' "${i}") * 2
    ))"

    [ "${w}" -gt "${h}" ] && s="${w}" || s="${h}"

    tput smcup
    tput civis

    w3m \
        -X "${i}" \
        -o confirm_qq=0 \
        -o ext_image_viewer=0 \
        -o image_scale="${s}"

    tput clear
    tput rmcup
    tput cnorm
}

>>58730267
>What exactly is so evil about proprietary software?

Here are a few things:
You pay for a product, yet you can't use the product how you like to use it. You can't sell it, In some cases, you cannot use it to make money (ala Facebook), you cannot share the product with your friends, and you cannot make edits of the software to give to your friends. This is the philosophical standpoint as described by RMS. See stallman.org and GNU.org for more bits of info.

The technical standpoint of it is: You cannot see what is going on.

Here is an example of what I'm talking about:

When you write an application in any compiled programming language (C/C++, These are used in the development of Windows) your compiler releases a binary. This binary is purely non-human-readable, code. It cannot be reverse engineered 99.9% of the time. It can only be executed by a computer. This is why one needs "source code" in order to make edits of a program, or to understand what a program is doing under the hood. This does not apply to languages like Python or Ruby, which are oepn by design.

With proprietary software, you cannot see if a program is doing nasty things, like stealing your information*, or doing other nasty things. It could be sending information that violates your freedoms or your privacy back to their masters. In this scenario, the user never owns the software. It is much more fair to say that the user is being manipulated by the software.

Really, read stallman. He has some incredible outlooks on software.

>>58730388
Forgot the cite note:
* You could possibly see if information is being transferred over the network with a capturing tool. - However, there exist many obfuscation techniques to hide info being transferred.

>>58730267
Those 4 freedoms are actually quite natural when you don't think in terms of open source or not.

Really it's sort of like making the source code available was slapped on top of everything like a bandaid with the argument that "humans can't read binary so we need source code"

The reason I say those freedoms are really natural without the source code requirements, is because they basically describe a situation in which copyrights can't do shit.
Software is information, not really a physical product. It's just a sequence of 1's and 0's. I'm not being sold something to execute their particular 1's and 0's I already have the hardware. They're just giving me information that can be fed to my computer.
So those 4 freedoms just basically say you can't own information. Once it's out there people can run it, modify it, redistribute it however they want.

It all makes perfect sense, until you get to the arguments about source code.
I won't pretend I have the answer, I'm on the fence about it myself since technically source code isn't the information being distributed (the binary is). Source code is more like a tool that was used by the developer and forcing people to make their code available is like asking a blacksmith to make his tools publicly available.
Based on this I think it doesn't make any sense, at first glance.
However, it seems more like gray area because having freedom toy with the binary information is fairly meaningless since we can't easily read binary.

>>58730312
> extlinux --install simply says that /boot/extlinux isn't a directory. searxing this yields no results
I would imagine that you need to make a boot directory whereever you want to install it?

> Turns out that attempting to replace grub is even harder than replacing systemd. I've had similar issues getting LILO to work.
LILO is old shit.

The main way to replace the excellent GRUB2 is to just UEFI or core boot directly with the kernel as payload.

>>58730471
/boot/extlinux is supposed to hold the configuration files for extlinux

I don't use computers with UEFI as they're unnecessarily bloated.

>>58730488
> /boot/extlinux is supposed to hold the configuration files for extlinux
And /boot/extlinux or /boot itself might still have to be a directory on a partition. At least that's what I'd guess that message tries to tell you. Did you create that? Are you pointing the extlinux --install at the partition or mount point where it's at? If so, does it perhaps think it's not a directory 'cause it doesn't understand the filesystem or something?

> I don't use computers with UEFI as they're unnecessarily bloated.
I don't *love* UEFI either but it works you kinda just get these if you buy mainboards and computers.

But hey, if you have no bloat, you have coreboot - right?

haven't looked at PCI passthrough VM gaming in a long time, how is it currently?
is there any easy setup scripts for it?

>>58730370
Whoops. The second "tput cols" should actually be "tput lines".

>>58730388
>You pay for a product, yet you can't use the product how you like to use it.
Isn't the goal of a company or individual selling a product that they should cater their software to the customer's needs? Like, I want a screen recorder software for instance, I could go to some organization to supplies that and purchase that software from them. If the software doesn't properly provide what the customers want then people won't buy it. So you're getting what you pay for, you know?

I do see your point in the whole "you can't tell if they're spying on you or secretly performing malicious tasks", but I think there's probably a solution out there that checks for the ethics of some software provider without making the software de facto free (as in free beer).

>>58730410
I disagree, just because the product isn't physical doesn't mean it's worthless. Books are "just" etchings of ink on some wood, movies are "just" changing pixels on a screen with accompanying varying sound waves coming from speakers. Professionals get paid tens of and even hundreds of thousands of dollars per year to create these particular 1s and 0s, leaking the nuclear launch codes over the internet would be simply 1s and 0s, nevertheless that information is highly valuable and highly dangerous. "Illegal numbers" make the point, too. So I would say you certainly can own information, I mean we have a whole thing on intellectual property to make that clear.

>>58730546
I don't think they scripted it. What you mainly need is a VM software that has drivers for a "GPU" which are installed inside the virtualized OS. And sufficiently gaymen capable drivers on the host.

Last time I checked Vmware and Virtualbox both had something like that, and it was enough to play most Japanese porn adventures., but not absolutely everything.

>>58730627
I thought the procedure was to use QEMU and pass through a gpu to the guest so you get ~95% of bare metal performance without having to dual boot

>>58730577
>I disagree, just because the product isn't physical doesn't mean it's worthless
Who said it was worthless?
Why are you assuming that anything with worth must have a monetary value?

and you're right, movies, music, books, are all information and trying to stop people from spreading information around, or modifying it, is silly.
We should be able to make copies and redistribute those things all we want. If the producers don't like it then they can just stop fucking producing.
Trying to own information is artificial. Information has GREAT value, but that value isn't owned by the person who created it, it's owned by everyone who comes across it.

The only way to really "own" information is to keep it private, which is why your example of nuclear launch codes is good. They don't release those codes and just slap a copyright on it saying "lol this means you can't use it, we're safe". Because they can't actually stop information from spreading so they simply don't make it public.

>>58730673
Yea, I think there also are multiple PCI passthrough methods with qemu / kvm.

Never done much of that so IDK if 95% is accurate.

>>58730683
>Why are you assuming that anything with worth must have a monetary value?
Because we live in a currency based system and the value of something is measured by its agreed upon monetary compensation.

>We should be able to make copies and redistribute those things all we want. If the producers don't like it then they can just stop fucking producing.
I disagree, even as someone who torrents movies (and I recognize my hypocrisy). If no one bought movies and only torrented, they wouldn't be made, and the industry as a whole would go away, which is a shame because the fact that they got torrented proved there was a demand. If all software became free, the entire economy of software would vanish and it would be replaced by an economy of charity. A vast majority of software is produced by people whose livelihoods depend on them selling it, and if there was no money to be made there would be no producers in the first place.

Lastly, that's exactly what I'm advocating. You keep the information private (in this case, the source code) and that way you get to keep selling your product to the public, the public gets their product they pay for and you get a livelihood. If you release the source code, no one is going to pay for it (sans donations) and you see where I'm going.

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>>58730546
A basic passthrough is pretty quick with supported hardware. Install kvm, setup vfio, install virt-manager (or get balls deep in bash). Setup VM, install GPU driver, then pass through PCI card and cross fingers. (play with UEFI/GPU roms as necessary).

The fun part is trying to do multiple GPUs to multiple VMs and learning your CPU doesn't support ACS or your CPU only supports x16 PCIe lanes or whatever.

VMware also works and is easy but no good way to hide the vm OS from the nvidia card driver blacklist as you can in kvm so AMD recommended. GTX 480 was the last softmod card so if you want a titan or something non-pro with VMware you had better be a wizard with a soldering iron. :)

re:kvm in addition to the arch wiki, alex williamson's blog was very useful.

>>58730882
last time I tried it I couldn't get virt-manager to work
I've got a server board with 2 cpu's, I kind of designed it specifically for this
it's old though, before the age of UEFI

>>58730791
>Because we live in a currency based system and the value of something is measured by its agreed upon monetary compensation.
Value, Worth, Money, are not synonyms.
I bet you have some personal items that have tremendous "worth" to yourself even if nobody else would buy it for a dollar.

Keep in mind that my initial argument was about how "natural" those freedoms are.
"Natural" meaning that by default you can't stop information from spreading. The natural state of information IS free. It's only not free in our civilization because we artificially attempt to make it so.

Arguing about whether that is right or not is irrelevant to my initial post.
But I will just say that personally I don't give a fuck if big movie companies die out, most of them are so stuck up their own asses with graphics that they make shitty movies anyway. People would still make movies, and they would still make money off of movies.

Good thread.

>>58730923
I know the worth of something changes from person to person, which is why I carefully said "agreed upon monetary compensation". If a consumer agrees to spend 60 dollars on a digitally distributed video game and the seller agrees to distribute it for 60 dollars, then that game is worth 60 dollars, at least in the scope of the transaction. If an employer and an employee agree to exchange 70k per year for that year's worth of source code production, then that year's worth of source code is 70k.

Eh the "natural" thing doesn't do much for me, the natural state of humans is also to be naked, that doesn't mean it's bad to be clothed. We "artificially" make a lot of things so, it's how our society runs, for better or for worse. I'm of the opinion that, security/spying risks notwithstanding, paying someone for their service/product of software is a generally good influence on software and encourages a larger, higher quality industry. I mean that wasn't even really what I was trying to prove, I originally was just curious why one side of the argument seems ubiquitous throughout the software community, when the other side appears more individualistic/capitalistic in nature which is an attitude only common in the western world (in which the software community largely lives)

>>58731020
Are you ok with ideas/thoughts being copyrighted?
Functionally ideas and thoughts in your brain are the same as music to a music player and programs to a computer.

what happened here

$ sudo pacman-optimize
==> MD5sum'ing the old database...
==> Tar'ing up /var/lib/pacman/local...
==> Making and MD5sum'ing the new database...
==> Syncing database to disk...
==> Checking integrity...
==> Rotating database into place...
chmod: invalid mode: ‘\033[00;32m\033[01;32m755\033[0m’
Try 'chmod --help' for more information.
chown: invalid user: ‘\033[00;32m\033[01;32m0\033[00;32m\033[01;37m:\033[00;32m\033[01;32m0\033[0m’
==> ERROR: New database substitution failed. Check for /var/lib/pacman/local, /var/lib/pacman/local.old, and /var/lib/pacman/local.new directories.

>>58731002
Good post.

>>58731636
Apparently Arch wasn't able into character encodings?

Didn't check but I'm just gonna guess it tried to interpret Unicode as ASCII or something.

>>58731636
It says it right there, can't archfags read?

>>58731671
Ah, or maybe these are terminal color codes.

Anyhow, great input to chown.

Can you check if repos are avaible if you aren't using them for your OS?

Right now I'm trying to check for updates on Void and all 4 are returning errors saying the network is unreachable. This is for normal and multilib repos, both free and nonfree. I'm not sure if it's a problem on my end or not.

Any chance anyone here is using void and could do an -Su to check for me?

>>58731636
looks like "pacman-optimize" fucked up because some fag added color escape codes at the wrong place

>>58731671
I cannot find anything about this error in google so I guess it's kinda unique

I have no idea what would cause it too, I didn't do anything weird relevant to pacman or terminal that would cause it to shit itself in such a funny way

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>>58731705
>using google

>>58731705
I'm pretty sure it shouldn't and this is just another thing the Arch devs missed. It happens... but it happens a lot on Arch.

Either way, if you tried a completely uncolored terminal and maybe one using ASCII as locale, I suspect it will work?

>>58731743
no, it's a simple and classic bug

>>58731787
Lots of "simple" and "classic" bugs on Arch over time, yes. Something is wrong with the coding practices and QA.

Alas, best chance to get around this would be to have an uncolored terminal, then it probably (hopefully) will not generate or copy these color codes.

>>58731701
>>58731743
tried changing line 27 in /usr/bin/pacman-optimize to

USE_COLOR='n'

and it didn't change anything

>>58731838
try 0 or false

I guess something must be wrong here

# step 5: shuffle the newly extracted DB into the proper location
msg "$(gettext "Rotating database into place...")"

fail=0
mv "$localdb" "$localdb.old" || fail=1
mv "$localdb.new" "$localdb" || fail=1
chmod $(stat -c '%a' "$localdb.old") "$localdb" || fail=1
chown $(stat -c '%u:%g' "$localdb.old") "$localdb" || fail=1
if (( fail )); then
    # failure with our directory shuffle
    die_r "$(gettext "New database substitution failed. Check for %s, %s, and %s directories.")" "$localdb" "$localdb.old" "$localdb.new"
fi
rm -rf "$localdb.old"

>>58731838
tried --nocolor ?

>>58726698

python -m http.server

>>58732108
python3 is the correct way to call it (except on arch, where everything is stupid)

https://fosdem.org/2017/schedule/speaker/leah_rowe/
She will speak.

>>58725213
debian with i3, no DE. Thats my carry-around netbook. I just got a real laptop, but I want to install a DE on this one, any suggestions?

I recently had to switch my Antergos install to use SDDM instead of LightDM, because I've been repeatedly been unable to login after some random package update. It also turned out that LightDM was eating my bluetooth device.


Now I have a different problem: My session will randomly just *end* and throw me back to the login screen. All my programs are closed and I have to start over, which is incredibly annoying at work.

I see a lot of these paragraphs in dmesg, but have been unable to come up with something useful:

97.444270] ACPI Warning: \_SB.PCI0.PEG.VID._DSM: Argument #4 type mismatch - Found [Buffer], ACPI requires [Package] (20160831/nsarguments-95)
[  797.444971] ACPI Warning: \_SB.PCI0.PEG.VID._DSM: Argument #4 type mismatch - Found [Buffer], ACPI requires [Package] (20160831/nsarguments-95)
[  797.445598] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: evicting buffers...
[  797.445602] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: waiting for kernel channels to go idle...
[  797.445623] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: suspending client object trees...
[  797.446975] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: suspending kernel object tree...
[  799.444730] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: resuming kernel object tree...
[  799.487874] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: priv: HUB0: 085014 ffffffff (1e70820b)
[  799.487881] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: priv: GPC0: 4188ac 00000001 (1970822e)
[  799.513350] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: priv: HUB0: 10ecc0 ffffffff (1d70822c)
[  799.533748] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DRM: resuming client object trees...

Any other logs that might be interesting? journalctl has nothing
Please help me with this, it's incredibly annoying.

Quick and easy method for reinstalling Ubuntu (partitioned; UEFI dual boot)?

>>58731695
please respond

>>58732335
Feels like you'd probably use the ubuntu installer off a live USB... again?

Directing APT to reinstall everything also is mostly that.

>>58731695
> Can you check if repos are avaible if you aren't using them for your OS?
Gentoo has layman.

Paludis on Gentoo and Exherbo also has that functionality integrated.

> Void
No clue. Maybe you're using old package sources or something?

>>58732419
it was working yesterday. last month there were migrating to new servers or something so it went down for a few days I just want to know if the same thing is happening. no official word from them yet and it only has been a few hours.

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I have this in my /etc/sysctl,conf file:

  vm.swappiness=1
  vm.vfs_cache_pressure=5 

I read that these are good options if you have an SSD and lots of RAM.

Thoughts?

Also, any other good optimizations you guys have in sysctl,conf?

>>58728879
put this under nvidia device section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf:


Option "metamodes" "nvidia-auto-select +0+0 { ForceFullCompositionPipeline = On }"

>>58732844
> I read that these are good options if you have an SSD and lots of RAM.
If you ask me, you probably don't need any /swap at all. Specify a hibernation file if you use hibernation, and you're done.

>>58732891
I often run some CPU/mem intensive applications. I'm afraid I might run out of RAM one of these days (have 16GB). don't wanna crash.

if I was installing again, I'd specify a swapfile instead of swap partition :\

>>58732962
It just OOM kills the worst process if it has to (you can tweak if and how rapidly it does).

IMO, see if it *actually* happens and enable swap only if that's a correct workaround in your case.

> if I was installing again, I'd specify a swapfile instead of swap partition :\
You can possibly still set that up now. Ext4, xfs, btrfs and I think zfs can be grown.

>>58733023
hmm.. I have LVM's setup + LUKS. I'm afraid to touch it at this point or do any major restructuring.

>>58733056
Even less of a problem? LUKS can be grown and LVM is perfectly capable of joining random areas of disks into one of its volumes.

The main annoyance is if you have a msdos partition and it's in front of a filesystem is one of the most common ones that only can extend at their back. (Moving the whole block to the left on the disk is still possible then, but obviously not very amenable to power failures or such... its riskier and time consuming.)

But with LVM2? No problem. Hell, you could probably add an USB stick, a microSD card and a network share to a volume. Not that that would be safe.

>>58733082
Here's how it looks like now:

NAME              MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE  MOUNTPOINT
sda                 8:0    0 432.9G  0 disk  
├─sda1              8:1    0     1M  0 part  
├─sda2              8:2    0   253M  0 part  /boot
├─sda3              8:3    0  15.8G  0 part  
│ └─cryptswap     254:3    0  15.8G  0 crypt [SWAP]
└─sda4              8:4    0 416.9G  0 part  
  └─vgroup        254:0    0 416.9G  0 crypt 
    ├─vgroup-root 254:1    0    30G  0 lvm   /
    └─vgroup-home 254:2    0 377.5G  0 lvm   /home
 

So, I'd basically have to remove cryptoswap and then place swapfile somewhere?
What would be the best option?

>>58733175
> So, I'd basically have to remove cryptoswap and then place swapfile somewhere?
Yea. I'd probably remove cryptswap, add sda3 to vgroup, then enlarge vgroup-root and its filesystem into the new space.

On a GPT you could probably also get rid of sda3 itself, add that to sda4, then just grow everything from vgroup -> vgroup-home -> filesystem, [but I think that has a "risk" that /etc/fstab or something isn't yet using UUID and that your old sda4 is then the new sda3 on the next reboot].

>>58733221
yeah, I'd probably have to boot from a live USB stick to do that. my fstab us using UUIDs for everything so I don't think there'd be many issues.

I also have something like 30GB of free space for temp volumes... I always backup everything before I do major system upgrades (kernel, DE and major libraries for example)... just in case it gets fucked by upgrade... so I can easily just roll back from a new partition.

>>58732132
>she

>>58733282
You might have to if you're using a filesystem that can't be grown into new space while mounted.

Disabling & deleting a swap partition and growing LVM2 *can* be done online no problem already.

>>58733354
PS: Certainly nothing wrong with having a live stick and backup ready. Not that I really expect trouble on this one.

>>58733354
>>58733364
thanks anon!

Anyone with shell script questions or a request? I'm pretty bored.

>>58732172
Can't go past xfce in my opinion. It's pretty comfy. I was introduced to it via GalliumOS on my Chromebook. My first gnu/linux install.

>>58733432
zsh or bash?

>>58733448
Interactive for yourself? Whatever floats your boat. ZSH has some averages, but it's also bloated IMHO. For scripts:
Portable SH > POSIX compatible SH > BASh > ZSH

>>58733507
>portable
>posix
wat

>>58733524
#!/bin/sh scripts don't work on all systems the same way. POSIX gives you guidelines for programming languages, here POSIX sh. Making scripts POSIX compatible means also making them more portable, but there are systems and shells which don't follow the POSIX guidelines completly, so you need to make them >portable<.

For instance, on some systems "echo" doesn't have flags like -n or -e; on Solaris systems echo is actually the same as printf -- '%b\n' "$*", so in order to write portable scripts, it's a good idea to drop echo completly.

All that shit doesn't really matter when you write scripts for yourself, but it's good to know and good practice to write your stuff as portable as you can for situations when you share your scripts or want to use them on other systems.

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>>58733600
why not making scripts upportable on purpose? for ex. escapes like \e don't work on osx' bash, since applel ships a pretty outdated version of bash

no more mr. nice guy, usings \e instead of \x1b or \033 sends a message

is there a way to unmap the arrow keys in vim so I don't - accidently - restart using them?

What are some good sourcetree alternatives on loonix?

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Hey /g/, what's the best lightweight and user-friendly distro for daily use?

>>58733767
>Best desktop distribution: Elementary OS

https://www.linux.com/news/learn/sysadmin/best-linux-distributions-2017

>>58733815
>linux.com
ain't clickin that shit nigga

>>58733815
>No.1 Best distro for sysadmins : Parrot Linux
kek

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>>58733815
heh

>>58733815
next time use http://archive.is/

>>58733820
>>58733866
What's wrong with the site?

>>58733872
clickbait, botnet js, linux foundation cancer

>>58733899
For a fun time, go here: https://www.linux.com/what-is-linux

>>58723947
I use terminator

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>>58733927
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>58733947
kek

>>58733947
>freedom of choice
10/10 NLP right here

>>58733947
gnufags just got #rekt :^)

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>>58733993
>rekt
>>>/p/lebbit

>>58733987
>NLP
welp, LF vs FSF is no news

In some ways, Linux was the project that really made the split clear between what the FSF is pushing which is very different from what open source and Linux has always been about, which is more of a technical superiority instead of a -- this religious belief in freedom."
-- Linus Torvalds

p-please no shitstorms
p-please act like nothing happened
:)

>>58734024
What's up?

Btw, bumping for: >>58733745

>>58733430
No problem.

>>58733448
Matter of taste. I like ZSH, but BASH isn't bad.

>>58733507
For your own scripts, ZSH is also pretty much the most convenient (SH and BASH both have more retarded syntax and retarded defaults in dealing with variables and all that).

But I guess you might as well do Python.

Question:

Does the Linux file system (ext4) spread (fragment) data over the hard-drive in the same way that Windows file system (NTFS) does?

>>58734015
>if choose freedom, you woun't have technical superiorty; if you really want the good stuff, come to open source
lawl

>>58734148
I guess python is trying too hard, I'd rather suggest perl
that said, the shell wants shell scripts, nothing wrong with that

>>58733746
Looks like some mac git gui thing?

https://git-scm.com/downloads/guis

>>58733767
Virtually all are lightweight by the standards I think you think of (Windows...).

Even things people consider "fat" in comparison like KDE or GNOME is pretty lightweight.

Basically, use any of the popular binary distros.

>>58734169
most unix-like filesystems are superior to windows; you don't get fragmentations since the stuff is placed in a more intelligent way (scattered around the system instead of next to each other), so when stuff needs to grow, there's enough space available

actually I'm wrong, you have fragmentations, but only about max 2%, not affecting any performance

>>58734173
> I guess python is trying too hard, I'd rather suggest perl
I have my own issues with Python. The languages I prefer most are very different.

But Python has been the thing that has been fast to slap together for many of my own use cases, and other people. I know kinda default to that for not performance critical scripting hacks.

Perl also worked in a bunch of instances, but it usually took longer to finish. Not very strong as an argument, I know, but I think you'll find that I'm not the only one who found the path of least resistance for scripting hacks more on Python's side...

Can I install debian without downloading 10 GB of installation files?

>>58734265
That's not exactly the right explanation. Windows also scatters files.

But there just are a lot of tricks on the typical modern Linux filesystems (ext4, btrfs, xfs, zfs, ...) that prevent fragmentation, and more tricks with scheduling caching and stuff to gain further responsivity, fragmentation reduction and direct performance.

Also tricks can be turned off for SSD which can do completely random access anyhow and don't really care if the file is in sequential blocks or scattered.

> only about max 2%
Well, not entirely guaranteed. But it's true that in general you don't have to care about fragmentation on the user end.

>>58734265
everything is superior to windows
leaving the proprietary aspect aside, windows went downhill after win2k (the only windows I actually run sometimes in a VM)

>>58734309
yeah, get the netinstall ~200mb, the cdrom iso, or the dvd iso. idk if there is even a 10gb image?!

>>58734309
Yes. It's the typical install methods like that netinstall thing.

>>58734309
get debian testing netinstall
the only correct way to use debian

>>58734336
What's wrong with Unstable/Sid?

>>58734346
basically nothing, but it's straight bleeding upstream and you don't get security patches from debian, only vanilla security

>>58734359
W-what?

Where can I read more about this stuff? Anyone confirm?

>>58734321
>netinstall
I said without downloading 10 GB.
>idk if there is even a 10gb image
http://piotrkosoft.net/pub/mirrors/debian-cd/8.7.1/amd64/iso-cd/
8 CDs+1 for DE. At least 6 GB.
http://piotrkosoft.net/pub/mirrors/debian-cd/8.7.1/amd64/iso-dvd/
3 DVDs; 3.7G, 4.4G, 4.2G.

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>>58723406
hmmmmm

>>58734385
idk what you're doing anon, but a debian openbox+tint2 shitposting machine woun't leech 10 gigs
what are you trying to install? kde?

>>58734336
I was thinking of testing/stable. Still, it will download a lot while netinstalling, right?

does arch linux have different versions like debian (stable, testing, unstable)? if so how do they differ?

>>58734400
I want debian+cinnamon either stable or testing, which of those CDs I should NOT get then?
Connection is not that good so netistnall may not be an option.

>>58734385
net install is minimal what are you talking about. You can get a liveCD that's about 4 gig as well as the the one with tons more packages that you mentioned.

>>58734420
Are you planning on buying the cds or something? Either way you have to download it. Netinstall is the best because you only download what you need. Downloading even the 4 gig image will come with a whole heap of shit you won't use.

>>58734443
Does it have any DE by default? Or I'll get booted into CLI?
>>58734460
No, just want to install it locally.

is installing gentoo on a single core a good idea?

>>58734468
netinstall is just the basic packages to get the install started, then it downloads what it needs as it goes along. No DE you have to install that yourself from the command line but don't worry you aren't installing gentoo it's quite simple.

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1: Install Debian on a separate partition alongside Windows
2: Get dualboot running for special occasions
3: If 2 happens just bit more often than never, Dban Windows partition
4 ??????
5 PROFIT

I accidently a new thread.
>>58734527

>>58734506
I'm just limited to 2 GB/month, any flaws in >>58734509 ?

what to install first linux or windows
i am hearing that one overwrites the other

>>58734540
Windows is the bad guy. Install Windows (if you really really need to) and then install GNU/Linux.

>>58734540
install windows first is easier
but it doesn't matter anyway, even if you install windows second it's just a matter of running a few commands to fix bootloader

>>58734539
that's probably going to still use up a good chunk of your internet for the month. Do you have satellite or something? If I were you I'd grab the 4gig live image via torrents by using my phone and free public wifi. then use that to install it on my computer.

>>58734503
Can be done and clang and the right compile options may make it reasonable enough depending on what single core it is.

You can also have faster machines or VMs assist compiles with distcc or icecream.

But honestly, maybe better grab Sabayon and hack up the Gentoo packages you want configured differently on top of that?.

>>58735038
By the way, I've run a Gentoo for a while on a fucking Sparcstation 4.

They deprecated the support for that kind of SPARC soon after I started (which mainly meant not even some ebuilds were flagged to work or not work - not that support wasn't a mess even before 'cause upstream obviously didn't care about ancient SPARC). Also no faster clang. Just GCC.

But it actually worked, I had X11 and the basics. Just depends on how big you make your system, and how patient you are, eh.

I then later also did it again on a pentium 2, just for fun. That one was much easier. Two days or something with less than 2.5h or so of my time and I had KDE and stuff.

Practical use & single core & not minimalist setup? Figures you'll like having Sabayon's binaries.

>>58735038
>clang
enemy of freedom

I want to dual boot linux onto my desktop and I have a few questions.

1. Should I make a partition for it on my HDD or SSD? Is the speed difference between HDD and SSD for linux as large as it is for windows?

2. What distro should I grab? I haven't touched linux in a year or two, and back then I used Ubuntu, but I want to know what are some good options nowadays.

3. Are drivers going to be a pain in the ass for me? My CPU and GPU are ayyyyymd.

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>>58735170
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>58735170
come to the new thread: >>58734534
there are more ppl who can help

>>58735168
You mean the new BSD type open sauce license?

Yea, clearly horrible...

>>58735170
> Should I make a partition for it on my HDD or SSD?

> Is the speed difference between HDD and SSD for linux as large as it is for windows?
Generally no. Yea, the SSD is still equally faster, but most Linux software already isn't very heavy. Even on Windows you'd quickly load 2MB software contained in 3 files (the rest may already be loaded on Linux with the shared libraries really strongly shared even in RAM).

> 2. What distro should I grab? I haven't touched linux in a year or two, and back then I used Ubuntu, but I want to know what are some good options nowadays.
Beh, throw a dice among the distros you think might be okay.

> 3. Are drivers going to be a pain in the ass for me? My CPU and GPU are ayyyyymd.
Probably not much to get working functionality up to video and stuff.

Gaymen capable GPU drivers might be imperfect. Not 100% sure.

>>58735252
I accidentally the first answer. It's "Doesn't matter terribly much in most instances - but SSD might help with a select few applications, plus what else are you going to put on it?".

>>58735252
>>58735273
I don't plan on gaming through linux, so the driver for that isn't a problem. I'm really only putting on a base distro, a couple essential programs, so not a whole lot.

>>58735351
My guess is that it'll work. x86_64 CPU basically never are any problem and the GPU should be fine on the as far as I can tell for most people (certainly for me) very stable open sauce AMD drivers.

And it should work on just about any halfway up-to-date distro since they will have these open sauce drivers.

Just started using Zim and I really like it. Since it just makes "notebooks" out of folders and .txt files, it should be easy to reach on all my computers, right? Is there a way I could have a Zim notebook on my GNU+Linux computer, upload it to a cloud like Dropbox or something, and then have it automatically update the cloud version as I update it on my GNU+Linux computer? and also have the notebook on my GNU+Linux computer check the cloud version for any differences and update accordingly? Is this still too advanced a task for a retard such as myself? Thanks in advance