We're being over-stimulated, which is in turn reducing

>>58710755
For example, what can help me is opening my phone to type something down to read for later, that way I won't be lost reading a wikipedia article and the hundred wikipedia tabs that follows it.

You could argue that you're "shutting yourself out to potential knowledge" by limiting your internet activity but let's get real: How much random knowledge bullshit do you actually retain from opening your 50 tabs? The best you can hope for on average is to Bookmark it and read it later..in which you'll likely get distracted by something the next time you're trying to read it.

My grandma reads her book that she's working on every day, checks her email along with facebook, followed by some news on the TV and and some entertainment show.

That's about where we should be at, rather than reading a million different things a day. I'm not saying that you need to have facebook or get your news from the TV - you can use whatever you want that'll inspire you - but definitely regulate your information to the dosage of what an average grandma/grandpa does.

So you know, I'd shitpost on 4chan, check the news, watch a youtube video, read an article or so, message some people, whatever. Sounds like an average day, but I'll astronomically focus on just a few points of interest per activity, which will allow me to focus on my other goals in the day, not get distracted, and also focus more in those activities by not being too scatterbrained by them


But yeah, of all these wack-ass 'movements' that are sprouting up, I think above all us we need to have a movement that brings back our level of focus to pre-1980s levels.

>That's about where we should be at
Why?

>>58710755
>more slower
stopped reading

This 100%
Its mostly the instant gratification our brain gets that it doesnt deserve. Like id sit down to study but ten mins later id be surfing 4chan, or trying to program only to end up checking out job postings and fantasizing about making 100k doing nothing. Im weak i know but i cant stop i tried so hard...

>>58710755
One could still use all their focus without being distracted, you have to be really disciplined in order to focus on your goals by first cutting all useless stuff such as news, ads, multiple monitors with useless stuff

phone silent or power it off

writing on a notebook instead using notepad.exe or any other app
read books instead of ebooks

Think about things rather than looking it up on the internet or use books.

Take a walk regularly

Anyone can do this I start tomorrow.
Say to yourself you get 1 hour per day to browse 4chan/Facebook/or any other social media after that you close it and get back to work/study.
In the beginning it will be hard but if you're serious about it you can do it.

This is why everyone should install gentoo, it helps your mind stay healthy

>>58712673
kys nigger

>>58712877
>writing on a notebook instead using notepad.exe or any other app
>read books instead of ebooks
are you a fucking retard?

>>58712834
>>58712877
>>58712969
I's not that we need to quit our hobbies and what we're currently interacting with, but rather split them up in a day instead of an all-at-once type overstimulated trap.


+ We split our internet into strict separated portions throughout the day. That's not to say that you'll have a tight schedule - you can switch what you do at different times throughout the week - but they HAVE to be split apart from each other at different times of the day.

+ Leaving your phone in your room with the notification volume up, or perhaps away from your sight while you're in that room would help, too. Not doing other things on the computer/tablet while watching entertainment and videos will also be a must.

+ 100% avoid being on the phone when being with someone unless you know that it'll add to the conversation. Leaving the phone at the very least in your pocket while being with someone is another must.

>>58713041
or you could just learn to focus on the things that matter instead of trying to make up for your lack of willpower with stupid rules and schedules

>>58712969
*notebloc
Because most people will be distracted by their computer, the reason why laptops fails usually in education because they distract too much unless it's mandatory to use a laptop for IT/compsci things but otherwise they distract people.
Walk in any classroom with students & their laptops on and check what they are doing, you'll see a small portion of students that are actually working.

>>58713041
This thanks for better explanation.

>>58713062
>stupid rules and schedules
The world has been working with rules and schedules since mankind was born.
It's going downhill because people aren't raised like they used too.

>>58713062
>Schedule

durr?

>That's not to say that you'll have a tight schedule - you can switch what you do at different times throughout the week - but they HAVE to be split apart from each other at different times of the day.

>>58713137
reverting to the past because you can't handle the present means you're a fucking weak human being
if you can't handle using a computer without being distracted maybe it's your problem and not societies

Try watching an old movie with a friend. Maybe a stanley Kubrick film. Or Casablanca. Or All Quiet On The Western Front. Or Alien. Or Amadeus. Etc. Etc.

I guarantee you, your friend will tell you the film is garbage and that they prefer something more fast paced. Media is being ruined.

>>58713308
https://backchannel.com/how-i-got-my-attention-back-c7fc9297d347#.568snktgc

It has nothing to do with being weak

>>58713308
>maybe it's your problem and not societies
what does society have to do with me ruling my computer usage?

>I'm an autist who gets triggered from too much sensory input
>being a luddite satisfies my autistic tendencies

in the 70s you couldn't get ANY book, movie or song FOR FREE in an instant without moving your ass. Wikipedia is a goldmine for topics in which you have a cursory interest in but have no formal/ academic affiliation with.
I'm not gonna defend normiebook - but it's there if you want it.

Pro tip: L2self-discipline.

Tabs were a mistake.

>>58713425
I use my computer all day long, work when I need to and never get distracted by anything, if you need to force yourself to write on paper instead of using notepad because you're literally incapable of using your pc without checking your facebook or whatever you retards do you have nothing to blame but your own lack of character

>>58713413
>guy spends all day on twitter
>has to completely cut off his internet to get his attention back
sounds weak to me to be honest

>>58713508
Guess what not everyone is like you.
There are universities still doing things on paper, have seen it even in computer science.

>>58713529
>all day on social media
Seems like 99% of the western population.

>>58713508
>why aren't people like me
>they should be ashamed

>>58713508
>you have nothing to blame but your own lack of character
And why does that bother you?

>>58713329
Tons of old films are so slow paced because story telling was oriented on old books and old books were paid per word, so the writers added as much filler bullshit as possible. Also obviously it's cheaper to just let the camera run instead of changing location and the likes, and cutting wasn't as easy as it is now either.

>>58713455
Libraries existed and were pretty cheap. Sure you had to move your ass a bit more but it was pretty similar low effort since people weren't as fat.

>>58713455
sensory overlord is real you fucking idiot. I'm not saying times in the 70s were better, I'm saying that now a days we have everything hitting us at once, which is counter-productive from a neurological standpoint

hence:

>+ We split our internet into strict separated portions throughout the day. That's not to say that you'll have a tight schedule - you can switch what you do at different times throughout the week - but they HAVE to be split apart from each other at different times of the day.

>>58713919
It's a problem when it comes to news with so much shit going on, people are too stunned to react.

Everything else is a meme and comes from no self control and doesn't affect most normal people.

>>58713946
>and doesn't affect most normal people.

http://time.com/3858309/attention-spans-goldfish/

>You Now Have a Shorter Attention Span Than a Goldfish

also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKaWJ72x1rI

it's not just about a 4channer autistically having 15 tabs open. It's about a normie being distracted by this, that, and the other through various social media apps, etc.

Any way you slice it, Gen X and below are fucked if we don't get our act together.

>>58713919
Wow you're dense

I eat acid when I want to experience sensory overload.

>>58713991
Epic. Simply epic

>>58710755
>>58710854

Good post

>>58713984
>muh sensory overload
>the average attention span dropped from 12 seconds to eight seconds
>the report says our ability to multitask has drastically improved
Wowe. Shit looks horrible. We spend less time on stuff and can do more stuff at the same time.

>>58713984
It's a good thing because now normies will think less and consume more. The more we can get specialized services to cater to every aspect of their lives, the more jobs we'll create. DIY is the antithesis of this.
The less they know/care, the more disposable and short-sighted our product can be.

One of my favorite social phenomenons is this "good ol days" model upon which there isn't enough information on what things were like and you see people getting nostalgia for an age they didn't even live in. Minimalism and nostalgia are gay cancerous religions. We see this sort of shit happen for every decade until the 90s when video recorders became cheap enough for everyone to finally record the world the way it actually was, and every decade before is lost in a sea of movies and actors on TV so they end up thinking it was this fantasy time where nobody hated anyone else. Either way, you can't go back, it's time to live in the now.

Dump a little bit of tech into this circlejerk blender and you get this neo-luddite shit where you think you have to remove or reduce the amount of it you have. Dunno if you just figured this out, but your browser has this thing called a "search" button, and if you get to a page or part of an app you don't care about, you don't HAVE to read the entire thing.

>Should there be a movement...
Yes and it's called personal choice. Everyone already does this, except for this select retarded few who quite literally goes full sjw and says the solution is to remove all the tech instead of changing themselves.

Alternatively you can jerk off in ironic IRC or BBS for decades trying too hard to live in the past, saying an equal amount of nothing that you think people are doing now. Hippies are always so fucking stupid, they think everyone else is stupid like them and they project their shitty fear onto everyone else and think they are all doing the same thing.

>>58714063
>DIY is the antithesis of this

I've spent so much time looking on youtube how to do things myself (and actually doing the things I look up), I literally have everything covered myself now except car maintenance

On the one hand it disgusts me to see that people are unwilling to learn, the entitlement has no boundaries. On the other, you're absolutely right - the more ignorant the general populace and especially the upcoming generation is, the more business opportunities people will have

>>58713137
>the reason why laptops fails usually in education because they distract too much unless it's mandatory to use a laptop for IT/compsci things
I'm in year 4 of compsci and I rarely bust out my laptop unless there's something practical in the lecture (more common in the lower years). I just sit and listen to the prof. Those things are the plague, I can be focused if I'm writing shit in notepad but some dude near me will be watching twitch streams or some shit and I'll just be noticing it out of the corner of my eye.

>>58714144
>the more ignorant the general populace and especially the upcoming generation is, the more business opportunities people will have
It's not that simple. If the people are truly ignorant, then there will be not enough people working in high paying jobs, so not enough people will be able to afford shit.

You don't get too much profit out of selling some crappy products to white trash and niggers unless you live off government subsidies like Walmart.

>>58714168
The guy would otherwise chat on his phone, or draw in his notebook like me.

Unless he's failing the class, there is no reason why he shouldn't relax a bit. Perhaps he's waiting for a more important part of the lecture?

Though Twitch is still disgusting of course.

>>58713137
>>58714168
>>58714201
This is a variation on the "guns kill people" argument but works out because we don't have to deal with someone dying. The thing in question is, you failing the course.

>Laptops don't make you fail the course, you did

If you dick around on your laptop, it's your choice, also like it is your choice to not take the course or anything else. Not a fault of the technology at all. This is about as good as that guy who tried to sue blizzard because he said their games were too addicting.

You can't choose to fail and then take some sjw tier cop out and ban laptops from school. By this logic we should just ban laptops and all technology because you can dick around with them online.

Thankfully the private sector fixes this by firing anyone who does this at work. Let me be an anti-hippie and say what we really need to have, is an easy and convenient way to kill yourself, so you can finally admit you failed instead of having to waste everyone else's time

tl;dr

>>58714201
Lectures are an hour and half, there's time for "relaxing" later. instead of paying 8k a year to sit in a classroom to watch gaymurs he could do it for free at home. I would prefer if they drew in their notebook or were texting on their phone instead of having this shit on their screen that is clearly visible no matter where I'm looking. Although at least it isn't like the kids who are playing league of legends and are hastily clicking their mouses.

>>58714263
I don't particularly care if they fail or not, it's survival of the fittest and I'll be getting my A+ while they're failing cause they don't even give a shit. I'm just being observant here that laptops aren't really the educational tool they get marketed as.

>>58714285
2 much inertwebs b bad mmkay

>>58714263
>Thankfully the private sector fixes this by firing anyone who does this at work.
Only at shitty jobs.

Some left of procrastination is good for concentration and creativity. Decision fatigue is a thing and watching couple cat videos or shitposting can have positive effects of productivity.

https://arstechnica.com/business/2009/04/study-surfing-the-internet-at-work-boosts-productivity/

>>58714309
> I'm just being observant here that laptops aren't really the educational tool they get marketed as
But they are, some guy misusing it doesn't change that laptops are ultimately source of almost infinite, easy accessible knowledge. And porn.

Mindfulness is what you need

>>58712877
>read books instead of ebooks

I would if they weren't so fucking expensive.

>tfw my entire college life was studying shit from PDFs

MY EYES

>>58714344
if I say technology is good, the reply is you can use it to look up porn and be retarded. if I say technology is bad, the reply is that you should look up porn and be retarded because it helps in the long run.

The bottom line is it is still all your choice, you can responsibly use tech and not be "over stimulated". Not directed towards you, but rather OP, please stop with this hippie neo-luddite shit saying we need an anti-internet movement. Penny to a pound you'd lose your shit 15 minutes without wikipedia.

>>58714023
>I'm going to ignore sound findings because it makes me feel good inside

Reddit is down the hall to the left

>>58714128
again

>I's not that we need to quit our hobbies and what we're currently interacting with, but rather split them up in a day instead of an all-at-once type overstimulated trap.


>+ We split our internet into strict separated portions throughout the day. That's not to say that you'll have a tight schedule - you can switch what you do at different times throughout the week - but they HAVE to be split apart from each other at different times of the day.


It's not that what we have is BAD, it's that you need to act like a fucking grown adult with it.

Grow up manchild, learn to use the internet like a successful man

>>58714128
Also I can't get over this

>but your browser has this thing called a "search" button, and if you get to a page or part of an app you don't care about, you don't HAVE to read the entire thing.

You admitted that you have no problem being a mouth breather who reads snippets of information and is destined to forget it 2 minutes later.

these consumerist nu-males need to be lined up against a wall

>>58710755
The missing factor in modern family life and upbringing is willpower and focus. The best minds also have healthy bodies and eschew distraction for order.

If you want to break the cycle, build a routine and purge the fluff. Wake up and exercise, devote time by segments to work, play, and communication. Don't let major parts overlap.

Meditation also helps, but that's too hokey for most. Sufficed to say, modern life can be tamed, but it cannot be tamed without putting the smartphone away for a significant part of the day and diligently avoiding social media and casual browsing as a filler activity.

It all starts on paper. Write down a livable schedule for your day and stick to it. My 15 minutes of shit posting time is up now. Good evening to you gentlemen.

>>58714144
>On the other, you're absolutely right - the more ignorant the general populace and especially the upcoming generation is, the more business opportunities people will have

It also makes finding a good wife all that easier too.

It's similar to today's diet. There's so many fatasses out there, that if just eat right and are in shape, it automatically puts you in the top 10% of guys, just like fucking that.

I'm in-shape with an above average sense of humor and personality, and I get dates all the time because of it. If this was back in the 70s, I'd be lucky to pull a 5/10 study hall girl

>>58714405
Jesus fuck, are you pretending to be a negative example or are you simply retarded?

Read the actual fucking study:
https://www.scribd.com/document/317442018/microsoft-attention-spans-research-report-pdf

Now since it's probably too long for your attention span, try:
https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2016/07/25/another-modern-myth-shrinking-attention-spans/

>>58714465
spoken like a true retard who isn't actually successful
this is the lifestyle equivalent of a fad diet

>>58714356
>began reading some meditation book a few months ago
>about 30 or so pages in

just kill me

>>58714486
The bottom line is that now more than every we're being distracted.

Do you want to be educated on why being distracted is a bad thing?

Why are you arguing? When's the last time you got laid by a cute girl? Answer before you make your point about distraction

>>58714515
its your choice weather you'll let things distract you or not, if you blame modern technology instead of your own lack of willpower you're a regressive luddite

>>58714534
When's the last time you got laid by a cute girl?

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What's crazy is how fast normies got sucked into this once smartphones and social media became popular.

Back in the day I remember everyone giving me shit and calling me an addict because I'd spend around 4 or so hours in front of my computer. Now children are growing up without ever dropping their tablets and their parents suffer from withdrawal when they can't check facebook/twitter/snapchat/whatsapp/whatever for 15 minutes.

>>58714540
yesterday

>>58710755
>We're being over-stimulated, which is in turn reducing our attention span and focus.
Nice projection, fag.

>>58714553
I'll go ahead and assume you're lying anyway

But yeah nobody is blaming technology, rather alerting people how to stat sharp and focused in this age of it.

Post 2006 or so is when getting distracted become easier, and late 2000s/early 2010s is when shit completely hit the fan and society still hasn't stopped to fix it

>>58714515
>When's the last time you got laid by a cute girl?
New years eve, obviously. Didn't have time for cute or any other girls in January since I am behind the soft deadline on a huge project now.

>Why are you arguing?
Procrastination yo. Need a little mental break and shitposting is pretty good to restart the brain.

>The bottom line is that now more than every we're being distracted.
Somewhat, kinda, with basically no effect. Again, just read the fucking data before arguing about shit you don't understand. The bottom line: There is no issue.

>>58714549
yeah man this shit's crazy, I used to do """hardcore gamer"""" shit like get up early to play in a clan match but these people are outdoing my younger self by living their whole lives through their phones.

>>58714572
cause everyone on the internet is single right

>>58714573
see:
>>58714572

**stay sharp

>with basically no effect.

Except you know, getting delayed by the hours while not fully having what you read resonate with you long term.

Multi tasking is an easier possibility, but it doesn't ensure that you'll retain what you're doing, along with NOT getting delayed by hours, which is all too common

>>58710755
>We're being over-stimulated, which is in turn reducing our attention span and focus.
Because we filter out stupid bullshit that wastes our time because we don't have to listen to it anymore. When you have near-infinite information, you can be picky and skip around. This is a good thing.

>>58714572
>I'm too weak to stop myself misusing thing therefore everyone should stop using thing

>>58714628
>I's not that we need to quit our hobbies and what we're currently interacting with, but rather split them up in a day instead of an all-at-once type overstimulated trap.


>+ We split our internet into strict separated portions throughout the day. That's not to say that you'll have a tight schedule - you can switch what you do at different times throughout the week - but they HAVE to be split apart from each other at different times of the day.

>>58714596
>rather alerting people how to stat sharp and focused in this age of it.
Which most people have no issues with. You're acting like some r9k neckbeard thinking something is wrong with society because you can't get laid and not realizing that there is something wrong with you. Same with muh attention span.

If you'd actually had the attention span to read the damn study, you'd notice that your entire premise is baseless shit in your head.

>>58714638
It's essentially the same thing, you're too stupid to multitask and maintain your focus therefore the whole world should stick to your ridiculous regimen

>>58714649
>Which most people have no issues with.

Except that's not true at all

>Research: College Students More Distracted Than Ever

https://campustechnology.com/articles/2016/01/20/research-college-students-more-distracted-than-ever.aspx

There's a million articles out there on the related subject

Why would you even argue this? How old are you?

>>58714661
>Society shouldn't improve because I'm a manchild who haven't grown up yet

>>58714684
I have zero problems maintaining my focus, I multitask while working all the time, you're projecting your own problems onto society and saying society needs to change instead of you because you're a brainlet who can't cope with modern life

>>58714710
>you're projecting your own problems onto society

see:
>>58714673

>>58714715
Furthermore, I also guarantee you that I retain my information better, am on track to get a better career, and have a hotter girlfriend than you do

Not to mention my ambition and goals are perhaps superior as well.

But hey, keep thinking you're A-OK without getting distracted

>>58714673
>people use phones in 2015 more often because phones are more common than in 2013
Shocking.

Now find a study linking a bit distraction with worse performance. Before you look, check:
https://psychcentral.com/news/2015/11/09/distractions-may-improve-task-performance/94600.html

>>58714759
>a bit distraction with worse performance

Kill yourself

>>58714477
>If this was back in the 70s, I'd be lucky to pull a 5/10 study hall girl
I've heard it was much easier getting laid in the 70's. Sex came first in "Sex, drugs, and rock & roll" for a reason. I hear stories about how common it was back in the day to see people running around beaches and parks fully naked and having sex and gangbangs. Age wasn't a big deal like it is now and a lot of shit that would fly then would be considered rape in today's world.
Shit, the amount of pussy bikers were pulling in effortlessly was insane.

>>58714730
I already have a career dumbass, who cares what amibitions or goals you have? Acting like it's societies fault that everyone's being distracted and that you're powerless to do anything about it except restrict your computer use like you're in boarding school is the ultimate in disempowered retard thinking. It's very easy to use the internet or do basically anything without being distracted. It's like blaming the alcohol if you're a drunk.

>>58714783
Oh and have another one...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4114291/

Now since reading longer texts is clearly challenging for you, let me be so nice and quote:
>Overall then, the effects of distraction likely depend on complex interactions among such factors as the attentional demands of the distracting information, the nature of the primary task, and the similarity of operations between those required by the primary task and those required to deal with the distracting information.

>>58714799
This reads like an Elliot Roger post

>>58714821
>seeing an aspect of society and wanting people to fix it is retarded.

You're an idiot, and your career is shit tier.

>>58714823
>defending distraction

possible same retard

>>58714905
there's nothing to fix but yourself. being able to access any information anywhere, instantly is only a plus, and artifically restricting yourself because you can't handle it is basically admitting you have a weak mind and no ability to adapt

>>58713413

I'm reading this article right now and it's quite triggering how the author uses the word "algorithm" as if the word itself has inherent malicious undertones.

>>58710755
>reducing our attention span and focus

Logic so severely flawed that I can't even...

Literally just played POE for like 10 hours straight the other day.

Have zero issues doing the same thing with a book. Shitty anecdotal observations isn't real science.

>>58714383

go to the library.

>>58714905
>gets BTFO with data from studies
>still continues on with his "society is to blame for my ADHD" bullshit
Anon, seek out a therapist already.

>>58715029
The library can get dysfunctional when the people you're studying with are overcompetitive to the point of being deranged.
>same guy checks out all available copies of the textbook to prevent others from accessing it (happens especially a few weeks before exams)
>someone intentionally displaces textbooks and hides them all over the library between other books, no reliable way of knowing when they'll be found
At some point I just said fuck it.

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4chan and social media in general are fucking awful, yeah

Considering that makes up 90% of the internet these days, the internet is pretty awful

It's mostly neverending noise and garbage, I can't blame you for wanting to not use it

I read the article, our attention spans have dropped by 4 seconds since 2000 (12 seconds to 8), and supplied no data from before the year 2000. Sure, it's a 33% drop, but we didn't have much of an attention span to begin with, it seems.

Why is the entire internet becoming /b/

>>58715759
4chan pozzed the Internet, right as the Internet was starting to merge with pop culture. In the maelstrom of 2007 to ~2010, 4chan was the dominant force in memes and shitposting. Thus, 4chan became the dominant force in getting memes into reality (Rick Astley's career, /r9k/ school shooters, Ebola-chan, Germanwings, Trump 2016).
4chan pozzed reality.

>>58715822
But what about garbage 4chan has nothing to do with

Like SilvaGunner making a YouTube meme channel out of the Flintstones theme played repeatedly or the most recent ridiculous trend "X but every time Y, Z", which has gotten to the point where videos are made to be acknowledged rather than watched

>>58716368
It's all inspired by 4chan garbage. SilvaGunner can be traced back to Vinesauce Vidya, a /v/ stream that sold out. The repetitive variations on a meme are a streamlined form of shitposting.

>>58710755
This is an issue of self control and nothing else

It's typical for the current generation to need a scapegoat they can blame as they have been conditioned to do exactly that instead of taking responsibility for their own problems.

>>58710755
Fuck I know this feel. Attention is your number one resource, without it you can't get anything done. Attention is hugely valuable, the ad industry feeds off on peoples attention. When you work for someone you are selling not just your time but your attention as well. All these services pushing their small little attentiongrabs to people. Hard to resist, but if you don't you fucking fail and get nothing done. I think some people are more susceptible to it than others but I know I wasn't always like this.

I've understood the problem but not yet managed to make the correct move to solve it.

>>58716445
Absolutely, these problems can only be solved by you yourself. There may be some help available like in case of tobacco addiction there are alternative products that are supposed to help but in the end you need to stand on your own feet, you yourself is the only one responsible for that.

>>58714486
>https://www.scribd.com/document/317442018/microsoft-attention-spans-research-report-pdf
Can only read like 5 pages.
Hnng.