Why do artists love Macs so much? macOS seems to be THE de facto

It has the best tools available and a low latency kernel to support them.

>>58700647

>Low latency kernel
>Comes with tools
>Industry standard

When it comes to photography/images and video:

Only desktop OS that is color managed, you can work with sRGB, DCI-P3 and Adobe RGB at the same time and everything will look the way they're supposed to look like. Also the only desktop OS that can do DPI scaling properly in everything.

When it comes to audio/music/live performance:
Stability
Low latency kernel
Has been the standard for so long that most of the tools artists want are there

>>58700647
Because Apple was one of the first companies that embraced using the computer as an artist's tool. There were companies that arguably did it before hand or did it better (see Commodore Amiga), but the connection has been made, and hasn't been broken.

>>58700808
>>58700674
>>58700668
Excuse my ignorance but what is a low-latency kernel and why is it good for music?

>>58700983
hey you made me realize I forgot to countersage

thank you

bump btw

>>58700647
Simple, clean, amazing. A manchild like you wouldn't understand.

>>58700647
> artists are generally retarded
> mac users are generally retarded

Go figure

>>58700924
Audio kernel has low latency

if you're doing live effects or playing, like a guitar through an amp, you'll hear it back quicker

This is important because it's awkward as shit playing with high delay

>>58700647

I don't know how it is in the audio world, but at least in the video world I can speak about the two main post-houses I work with which are now either entirely windows-based or moving the direction. These used to be 100% apple houses. Apple is losing relevance fast in the pro video world.

>>58700647
not sure how true this is but apparently the DAC/soundcard is higher quality on Macs and audio just sounds straight up better

Tradition from the time when it actually made a difference ( the 1990s and early 2000s ).

That's about it really

Artists are more commonly homosexual and worry about their self image to the extreme, but are seemingly too retarded to examine themselves properly.

>>58701013
And asio4all on any Windows install will provide latency down to like 4-8ms depending on whatever hardware you're on.

>>58701096
alright now is your DAC shit and do you come with decent software OOTB

>>58700647
Weren't Apple monitors the best around back in the day? That's a must for illustrators.

Because by default it gets out of your way and lets you work without nagging for OS updates or to pay for upgrades to Lagware Antivirus Multimedia Crapware 2017 Edition with Solution Center.

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>>58701118

The window management with Mission Control and multiple desktops work well in a design workflow
>>58701050
No it's just Intel """HD""" garbage these days unfortunately

>>58701117
You can literally use any DAC.

>>58701301
*pop*
*ssssssssssssss*

>>58701319
FYI most people that actually make music professionally have external equipment, this includes DACs and mixers.

Faggots mixing music in fruity loops on their shitbox isn't professional music mastering.

http://www.apple.com/mac/garageband/
It comes included with macOS, is mac-exclusive, and it is (was?) considered one of the top-tier music production tools and definitely blows free *nix/Windows competitors out of the water.

>>58701176
I got a Macbook and it keeps bothering me to update the OS and Garageband. AV has nothing to do with the OS.

>>58701204
>>back in the day
>shows image comparing modern displays

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>jaguar
>not jazzmaster

baby hands

>low latency kernel

I tried Ubuntu Studio for this and it was still garbage. I just use Windows 7 with ASIO4ALL latency is not really that big of a deal.

When I was in a band and we went to an actual studio they used Macs. If I was doing anything seriously I would use a Mac too, just because it is the industry standard and if I were to buy a new PC now for audio recording it would restart itself during a guitar solo

>>58700647
Bro, the new Macbook Pro (tm) has this sick touch bar that you can use to DJ with. It's so innovative and nothing else is like it, so you can ignore the fact that the laptop doesn't have any connectors to anything else because touch bar is life. All the pro DJs are going to be using it, it's the sickest.

old memes that haven't applied for a long time
winodws is much better outside a few specific software that have alternatives on windows
even a hackintosh would be better (if you have to the time to set up properly)

Marketing. Artists get paid to shill brands. Over time normies and other artists actually believed it is a good product for art.

When in fact Windows has a larger catalog of professional software and tools which can be used just as easily.

>>58702135
>cannot configure windows update properly
>"I would use a Mac too"

pottery

>>58701076
/thread

it doesn't matter what computer you use, the audio equipment, technique for playing and mixing are way more important.

>>58702368
I'm a Linux user, only have Windows 7 on one pc specifically for the great music software available. There's a lot more to "configure" than Windows Update to make Win10 a suitable OS for anything productive.

I am about to turn 34 and have used every version of Windows since 3.1. What I stated, and I stand by it, is if I were to BUY a new computer for recording music, I would choose a Mac over a Windows 10 pc. That is because it is a better tool for getting the job done, and that's it

>>58701021
why?

>>58700647
Core Audio

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>>58701021
thistbhfam

>>58700647
Stability and Garageband.

logic blows ableton and fl studio out of the water

>>58702565
And Audition and Protools blow logic out of the water, just as Apple. >>58702468
:^)

>>58700647
in the '80s they were peerless for all things 2D as long as you could afford them
by the '90s they picked up a lot of killer apps for audio production like protools that didn't run on anything else
nowadays you can ultimately use whatever but as >>58700674 and >>58700808 said there's still a few advantages

>>58700647
Because they're low latency.

>>58701456
>free
Garageband is nice for what it is, but audio people use ProTools religiously. If you think Windows is better, I'm pretty sure there is a ProTools version for it. It's kinda that simple.

>>58702430
>and have used every version of Windows since 3.1
>1983
>implying opinion in 8-13 years matters

>>58702597
i was just trying to illustrate that I'm not a macfag.

>>58700647
A lot of stupid answers ITT.
The reality is that both Macs and Windows PCs have some advantages when it comes to media production.

The main reason by far for Macs being used a lot (besides memes/tradition) is this: they're ready to use out of the box, whereas Windows PCs not so much, unless you buy them from a specialist.
So a normal person (who doesn't know shit about computers but just wants to record some tunes, dude) is generally speaking better off with a Mac.

>>58701096

>asio4all

Is just a Workaround. Enjoy your shit audio.

>>58700647
Because the yare FAGS and they doesnt understand computers...

>>58700983

Sageing is not a downvote, spacker

>>58704521
It's not Apple's or Macfags' fault that Microsoft doesn't give a shit about certain features that would please normie mediafags.
Windows still doesn't have a native low latency audio driver, for example. They've been trying for a while now, with WASAPI and all, but it's still far from ASIO or CoreAudio.

>>58700647
>Why do artists love Macs so much?
They also do drugs and are often homosexual. Just saying.

Why are Wintoddles so triggered when professionals don't use Winshit?

>ASIO4ALL
If you think 8ms is acceptable, you're an idiot, have no ear for riffs, and your music is shit.

>DAC for WIndows
Snap Crackle Pop motherfucker. Great for clean sounds

Mac is the only way to go for the serious musician, period.

>>58704695
Because it's probably great for twangy sitar Pajeet -pop so they think serious musicians should be using their home-grown ShillwareOS (tm)

>>58700647
They value form over function, of course they would use Apple.

>>58704857
lol

>>58704902
Hello Rajit! Can you tell me please what function a WIndows-based music production system has over a Macintosh-based one? Yeah, I didn't think so, but thanks for playing. I square of toilet paper has been deposited into your monthly rations account.

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>>58704857
>>58704966

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>>58704985
>being this mad
POO IN THE LOO

>>58704985
Pretty clever to put that together. You must be some sort of genius super-detective. Have another Dorito. You've earned it.

I've never done video editing before and it took me less than 5 minutes in iMovie to take video from two cameras and sync and combine them together into a single video with a little PIP frame. It was so simple and easy and effective that it almost made me a little angry. Mac software is fabulous.

Mac hardware is complete and utter dogshit. I've never seen something made of metal before that's so fragile and delicate, can't even put it in a backpack without something getting fucked up. Internal components die randomly, Apple support is worthless crap. Needed to get a wifi card replaced because it just died, took it to the Apple store, guy took the computer and opened up the back to confirm the card was dead, had a spare card on hand, could have replaced the card right there and then in less then 2 minutes -- but he didn't and needed me to hand over my computer for FIVE FUCKING DAYS to get it fixed.

I bought my own card, had it shipped, and replaced it myself in less time.

>>58700647
Macs used to be better for that purpose, but these days that's no longer true. Windows PCs have no advantage either, so people used to Macs have no reason to switch.

>>58704994
>posting a picture of some macfag equates to being incredibly mad

>>58705001
I have to concur. I have a mid 2012, the last great Macbook Pro IMO. All the ports a girl could eat. Everyfucking thing replaceable and upgradeable. Fuck Retina, they'll have to take this old Macbook from my cold, dead hands.

Microsoft makes shit OS and programs but damned if their hardware doesn't kick the shit out of Macbook Pros these days.

>>58705021
If it helps you mate my battlestation really does pretty much look like that faggot's, so not too far off the mark. Substitute in an xbox one and a Galaxy A tablet in, and you've got the picture.

>>58705035

I got lucky too. If my Macbook was any newer it would have had the fucking wifi card soldered in and been unfixable.

Coreaudio>>>>>>>all

>>58700647

Works well out of the box and is aesthetically pleasing. Creative people tend to be those who think visually.

>>58705241
This is the correct answer and can't be emphasized enough.

>>58705007
/thread

>>58705355
But Windows PCs do have disadvantages, you fucking full blown mongoloid. So /thread revoked.

>>58705385
So do Macs, though. It depends entirely on what your priorities are.

>>58700647

Once upon a time macOS had a substantially better audio subsystem than Windows did.

That advantage has disappeared over time, but a lot of studios got started on Macs and the meme has kept on going ever since.

>>58701021
Applel has left their audio tools to rot while using Adobe Protools on their own campus. Meanwhile MS is improving with WASAPI.

ASIO on WIndows is still best though with ~2.5ms roundtrip latency.

>>58700924
>>58701013
Not only is it awkward as shit playing with high delay, it also becomes impossible to do anything with high latency.

>>58700647
I like my mac because my audio interface never fails when I use it, unlike with my windows computer.

Is a hackintoh worth it for the purpose of AV work?

>>58700647
because historic reasons. The LaserWriter and PageMaker were the reasons of the popularity of Macs for design.

>>58701204
It's literally the same display, bu the one in iMac is powered by a shitty mobile radeon card that was doa on release.

>>58705001
>needed me to hand over my computer for five fucking days
this is why I hate Apple customer support. Why can't they offer on-site warranties for individuals?

>>58708623
see >>58707695
and >>58702468

>>58702455
1. The release of Final Cut X basically ended studio interest in Final Cut. Most of the places I know of have switched to Adobe Premiere which runs on Windows too, thus not need to be Mac-exclusive. Avid the other popular alternative (mainly at the high end) also runs on Windows+Mac so there's no advantage to staying mac.

2. Given that the Mac Pro (the main workstation used at these facilities, iMacs/Mac Minis aren't powerful enough) hasn't been updated in over 3 years (and is speculated to be discontinued this year). Studios have motivation to move to alternative hardware vendors who offer regular hardware updates, assurance, and stable product roadmaps. Given point 1 above there is little reason to stay on Mac hardware.

audio dude here.
I don't use a Mac, but from what I gathered through my studies and colleagues :
1) Mac is easier to dev on
2) Has better "base" soundcard
3) Is prettier
4) Less anarchic stuff (installing drivers)
5) works with thunderbolt and firewire
6) has multidirectional scroll wheel mouse
7) More products built specifically
8) More stable
9) Portable
10) Exclusive AU plugins.

All that said, I still use a PC because I do audio for game engines and middlewares, and macs are an absolute mess in corporate programs.

>>58700647
Cuz if they used gentoo they would still be setting up their DE to this day and wouldn't even be artists

>>58700647
it just werks

>>58700647
Bec ProTools is the best DAW and Importing and Exporting is a lot nicer on macOS

>>58709134
going to have to prove that.

>>58702137
The touch bar is more useful than you give it credit for, but that's only because it's a laptop with shit inputs unless you add a mouse. Even then still useful, but anyone doing serious edits has hardware based inputs, not software touch bar.

>>58710032
Apple's trackpad > mouse

>>58710047
>this is how delusional mactoddlers are

>>58710138
>12 year old has no retort, resorts to memes

>>58702368
to bad you can't confiture update to be anything other the metored.

honestly looking it just hard firewalling the isps that windows uses for updates.

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>>58710141
>mactoddler has no argument, resorts to parroting marketing slogans

>>58710172
Oh look, now you're accusing me of things I never did and piling more shitty memes on top of it. You do realize this is an 18+ website, right? Head on over to 9gag, you'll fit right in.

>>58710047
why?
you going to make a claim thats retarded back it up.
I could even accept that its better then other laptops track pads, but better then a mouse?

>>58710236
It allows cursor control and gestures. Shit's so good my desktop hasn't even had a mouse in three years.

>>58710263
I bought a trackpad for my hackintosh and I could barely stand to use it for more than 5 minutes. Dragging and dropping is fucking terrible on a trackpad. I love the trackpad on my macbook though but i dont produce on my macbook cuz im not skrillex

>>58710305
I guess that's a personal preference. I hear that complaint a lot but have never had an issue with it

>>58710193
>t. mactoddler

>>58700647
Because of Logic, probably the single best audio DAW on the market.

protools is the standard but its not better than logic

I work in high end video editing/post so my experience isn't the norm but Macs have always been the default for people who aren't knowledgeable enough to build their own desktop and just want a system powerful enough to edit on. Even those people are being turned away from Mac due to how shit the last few updates of the Macbook Pros are. Like when a single shooter can't just plug in the SD card they shot footage on without dongles they're useless to them.

The place I work in is 100% Windows and its the same across all the other post houses. It's mainly because they're all tied into the Avid suite of programmes. ISIS for server/file management, Media Composer for editing, Pro Tools for audio mixing, Baselight for grading etc. Smaller places might use Macs but its mainly because of personal preference, if they had to send cuts to any place else (like for audio mixes) it would cause so much hassle.

>>58710459
It's so good in fact, that Apple uses ProTools instead. >>58702468

>>58709996
I was wrong. LG panel in iMac and SHARP in Dell.
http://www.panelook.com/LQ270D1JG01_SHARP_27.0_LCM_overview_23620.html
http://www.panelook.com/LM270QQ1-SDA2_LG%20Display_27.0_LCM_overview_23491.html

hackintosh
a
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>>58710263

This, this, this. When I got my iMac, I chose the trackpad over the mouse, and I never regretted it for a second. It's absolutely godlike.

>>58710305

Did you try to physically click and drag, or did you turn on three-finger drag like a smart person? Because the former is awful, and the latter is great.

>>58711052
>t. mactoddler

>>58710648
>aren't knowledgeable enough to build their own desktop

This meme again. Just because you don't feel like micromanaging your hardware doesn't mean you don't know how. I, for instance, spent about ten years building, servicing, maintaining, and using my own Windows boxes (from ME to 10), and I use Macs now because I just don't feel like fucking with it anymore.

I want to sit down at my computer and get work done, and then tinker later in my free time if and when I feel like it. I don't ever want to sit down at my computer and be *forced* to fix something in order to get started on my actual work. So far, my Macs have delivered very well on that front.

>>58711094

You know how I know you don't have a real argument?

>>58711127

I meant to say not bothered as well. If they need a laptop in particular there's simply so many options out there its just better for some people to get the machine they know is powerful enough for what they want and not have to deal with some random laptop GPU not working with Premiere or whatever.

Apple is a cheap knock-off of Amiga.

>>58701444

trips of truth, mac 'musicians' are just hacks.

>>58710263
>>58711052

have an mmo mouse, and have 24 programmable hotkeys at my thumb.

Also have a tablet with 1:1 tracking...

honestly never liked gesture based inputs because they rely on everything not hanging, and reading the inputs correctly, much prefer the macro pad/thumb pat approach.

watching this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u13bFQSWKuE

I have a right mouse button,
I have a left mouse button (or shift click and its now left click on my mouse, VERY convenient as i'm more use to broken scroll wheels now then not for clicking)
I have a scroll wheel or again middle click form shift left or middle button (when logitech software isn't fucking up)
applicable to safari, i have a button for zoom in, zoom out, and zoom 100% along with tabs outliner for seeing all opened tabs across windows.
never understood the use of multiple desktops, but that's just me.
from the demonstration the track pad looks VERY unresponsive and finickey.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0wX9m2E0Ik

rename things... lets not touch something so basic that appears it was JUST introduced to macs,
not sure what i'm looking at seems possibly useful, but if im managing images, i have a dedicated program for that that does the job better.
hover tooltips... this is again, a NEW thing?
again, im looking at basic functionality that they are talking about like its brand new
skip the pin
scroll wheel and depending on where the mouse is, it zooms to that specific location.
interesting with definitions, for me most of what I don't know or cant gleam context off of is slang or an abbreviation i'm not familiar with.
nice with the fastforward stuff, I used mpchc and have 1 second 5 second and 30 second jumps, if fast forward was as easy to turn off may use it instead.
and skip the rest

any videos on useful shit it can do as all I can find are 'im a retard, here is basic functionality' videos and tutorials...
I honestly want to see if it is better then my mouse.

>>58700647

>>58700674 This
And Better Soundcards you fucking Gaymen pleb

However the industry standard is linux

>>58710803
Thought you were
As retarded as I believe apple to be, there is no way they would put a 10bit panel into a product and then not use it as a selling point when the panel itself would cost more than a lesser one.

With that said, the monitor is more for video editing realestate then it is for art and color.

>>58702430
>There's a lot more to "configure" than Windows Update to make Win10 a suitable OS for anything productive.

Like?

>>58712007
Telemetry boogeyman

>>58709675
Protools is awful. It's incredibly outdated and doesn't function in optimal time and quality constraints.

>>58701444
>get paid
>not professional

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>>58713350
>live from rent
>a professional in doing nothing

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I don't.
But I'm shit so why do I matter
3than1.bandcamp.com

>>58700647
For one, it comes with great hardware.

Other than that, MacOS hits the balance of being easy usable by anyone like Windows and got the commercial software unlike Loonix. Also it's very stable and doesn't annoy the user, got unified UI and so on. It's the OS to pick if you got shit to do instead of babysitting your computer.

3rd party software also tends to be better and tradition does the rest.

>>58712007
>>58712109
Even ignoring updates and telemetry. W10 crashes a lot, got a horrible schizophrenic UI, not knowing what it wants to be and generally feels very dated. Besides the 3rd party software quality varies massively since there are basically no quality standards.

Then there is shit like useless built in encryption and backup options, being a massive target for malware and needing constant maintenance.

>>58715376
>mactoddlerOS
>stable

>>58715376
>it comes with great hardware
True in the past but Apple just released an entire line of Macs with last years processors and AMD graphics.

>>58715496
>last years processors
That are literally same fucking shit sans 4K streaming optimizations. Besides at the time they released the new macbooks, KB wasn't available for the required number either way.

>AMD graphics
Now that's a bigger issue and down to them being jews, though on the positive side, the shit is still good enough, so not that noticeable nor doesn't distract from godly 16:10 screen, even more godly trackpad and great battery life in a small package.

>>58701013
Most people use an external audio interface anyway, so the point is moot.


The real answer is that people stick with the system they know, and early on the best creative tools were:


Pro Tools

Final Cut Pro

Photoshop


It doesn't matter if other competitive offerings are around now, people will continue to want to use the software they're used to.

>>58715547
When Steve Jobs was alive Apple always secured the latest best processors from Intel before anyone else.

You are just making excuses.

>>58715604
Didn't it happen with Broadwell? KB was simply too far in the future for their release, so even getting the supply first, it wouldn't help much with low availability. 2016 rMBP outsold pretty much every other laptop in few hours since it was released, you don't get as many unreleased chips on time.

>>58715648
This is like the first time Apple has ever released shit literally a generation behind everyone else.

>>58715669
Nope, they came late to the party with Skylake too. There is only so much you can do when you decide to release your shit months before Intel releases theirs.

Given the minimal differences, it's not really relevant though. The stupid price hike seems like the only issue about the new macs. Not really convinced about the touchbar either.

>>58702565
In your fucking dreams,

Ableton needs some work but it's still the greatest DAW known to mankind since Live 8

Logic Pro 9 was brilliant but then Pro X came along and shat on it entirely

Protools is protools, powerful, yet it's now worse than what it was before the endless loop of updates

Audition on the other is leftfield not really used for music production, rather a more professional audio editing software


I would take Ableton over Logic any day

>>58715699
Ableton offers better workflow once you got used to it but Logic still got better sounds though.

>>58715693
They were late releasing but they still used the best processors available.

>>58715764
Shit meant the latest arch. Probably weren't the best models.

>>58701013
whats the latency on a mac vs a pc running aois4all?

>>58715783
ASIO can get down to 2.5ms, MemeOS can't even touch that.

>>58715804
but muh low latency kernel.
I use a pc with asio4all and reaper.

>>58715823
ASIO is about as close as you can get to direct hardware, as it bypasses almost every OS layer and lets audio applications directly interface with hardware. Macfags can only dream of having something like ASIO on their closed trash system that hides every system API from users/developers.

Is this "low latency kernel" thing still relevant if I was to make my T430 a hackintosh?

>nobody mentioned font rendering yet
Even writing an email on Windows is a fucking pain due this shit. Surely artists have to respond to mails from time to time, or shill for their shit on Twitter or whatever. It's legitimately painful on Windows.

So...what's the best non apple laptop for music recording? Rap and R&B specifically.

>>58717380
>Rap
I thought you were asking about music

>>58700647
There was a time when photoshop was a mac only program.

>>58717434
And even after it became multiplat there was also a time when Macs were better machines for Photoshop. This hasn't been true in years but is the source of the I need a Mac for Photoshop stuff you still see here and there.

>>58717464
Most people learn to use PS on a mac too so it's given they don't want to spend time on relearning shortcuts.

>>58717464
>https://www.slrlounge.com/lightroom-mac-vs-pc-speed-test-4k-imac-vs-4k-custom-pc-performance-test/
The PC got a MUCH faster hardware (top of the top desktop shit) and is only 35-40% faster than a Mac with laptop parts.

Scale it down to laptops with similar hardware where most photoshop fags work.

>>58700647
just because they are totally tech illiterate

but in many ways, that is not the case today

>>58716409
Yeah I could only dream of using only one low latency audio source at the same damn time lol
Enjoy paying out of your ass just to get basic functionality on windows

>>58715783
Asio4all is not really a legit option, it's a hack and doesn't get very low latency.

Proper ASIO drivers can get very low latency, but it depends entirely on the soundcard's drivers (same on a Mac, btw).
Low latency performance is better on Windows with ASIO, if we're looking at raw performance, but MacOS is more flexible and more just werks.