I have never been so disappointed with a purchase before. I would

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>>58678515
Your 6600 is bottle-necking what exactly?

>>58678515
Computers are racist. They are trying to put the white man down.

>>58678527
An RX480

>>58678515
should have gone for the 6600K instead of 6600

man up, buy the right one.

>>58678552
Couldn't afford a Z170 motherboard. And the Ks were sold out on Amazon.

>>58678612
$40 extra was too much for you? Damn

>>58678640
My b150 was $40. The cheapest Z170 was around $90, plus the cost of the k series CPU which was like $40.

>>58678666
If you did a little bit of research, you'd find out that you can overclock locked skylake.

That information has been floating around the internet for a year or so now. Its frequently mentioned on /g/'s pc build threads.

A Z170 + 6400 would've costed you $10-20 more than what you current have, most likely, if not cheaper. Yet, you'd get 4.5Ghz, a 60+ overclock over the stock easily.

Pity, really. You can only blame yourself for your own ignorance.

>>58678515
>>58678542
U wot m8? I have an i5 6500 with the 480 and there's no sign of bottlenecking here. Do you do CPU intensive work?

Which game?

>>58678542
And how did you determine this?

That cpu is fine lmfao I have it

>>58678700
Every i5, but the 6600 was sold out. And I would have to get a cooler to OC, so add at least $30 for a Hyper212.

I did know about the BLCK OCing, but I thought that was only good for like 400MHz at most.

>>58678776
Low FPS compared to benchmarks, low GPU utilization, maxed out CPU utilization.

>>58678759
Dice games, Arma, Asetto Corsa, and CoD4/IW

>>58678640
>extra $40
slippery slope my friend, a budget is a budget

>>58678832
You purchased without research and bought impulsively.

You have nobody to blame but yourself.

>>58678832
I think that is something else, you shouldnt be having any problems.

>>58678832
Have you considered that the RX 480 could be the issue? I built a PC recently with one and it would constantly give poor performance and even lock up the pc occasionally. Sent it back and got a GTX 1060 instead and it's been nothing but smooth sailing since.

I decided to give AMD cards a chance with this build but theyre still as shit as years ago it seems.

>>58679021
Post speccy

>>58679021
How much does NVIDIA pay you for posts like this?

>>58679021
Shill

>>58679021
That sounds like a PSU issue.

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>>58679139
here
>>58679188
tried a few psus, had the same issue. was the gpu itself.

>>58679207
Which version was it?

>>58679207
Sorry bro, my xfx 480 was flawless.
Did you buy msi?

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I have a i5 6500 and it doesn't bottleneck my GTX 1070.

>>58679225
>>58679248
yep, was an msi. probably should have gotten a different brand.

>>58679248
>>58679292
I've got the sapphire nitro+ 8gb and it's bretty gud

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>>58678515

How is that NOT the fault of the GPU, for requiring something to be implemented in software that should have been done in GPU hardware? Or else the fault of the software for being inefficient with the CPU?

What possible justification could have for placing the blame on the CPU, instead of on the GPU or the software where it obviously belongs?

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>>58678515
You're right, actually. At stock my 6600K bottlenecks heavily in quite a few games. I run mine at 4.4 GHz and it makes a massive difference.

Still, if you buy a CPU in 2017, you'd better go with at least a 4C/8T unless you're a poorfag,

Blame Intel for being jews, we should have moved on to more than 4 cores on mainstream platforms years ago. Pray for Ryzen.

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>>58678542
Interesting. I got an i5 200k at 5ghz. Wondering if the rx 480 would cause a bottleneck

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>>58679021
kys

all 480s can be undervolted and preform better than 1060s because amd have a whole new driver system thats actually working this time
this is a fact

cant wait to see HBM2 decimate the current high end since fury chips match 1070s. this new competitive market is a win win for everyone

>>58678515
that's why it's cheaper and you can OC it to 4.4GHz, you fucktwat

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>>58680027
I was an pure Powercolor Radeon fanboy in the early 2000. I've been switcing between them every now and then, X800, 7700GT, HD3870, GTX280, HD5870. Did also use some AMD CPU's, especially loved the Athlon 64 3500+, but then I went all Nvidia and Intel from the day I got the E8400 and later replaced the HD5870 with a GTX570.

Now I really REALLY hope RyZen and AMD in general delivers.

And I mean REALLY deliver. Not something like the RX480 which is a very cost efficient mid-end GPU, but something to compete with Nvidias Titan and Intel's 2011-3 series.

I'm, so fucking tired of paying Intel and Nvidia for something they could still sell for a decent profit for almost half the price thanks to AMD not caring about competing on a real level.


AMD needs to show they got the drivers, temps and performance in total is a lot better than Intel and Nvidia's.

Nobody will care if its just 3-5% boost.
They need to deliever something spectacular to get the non-technical retards to talk. They are the ones buying the large chunk.

>>58678832
Bottlenecking doesn't just mean your CPU isn't good enough for your game you idiot.
There is no bottlenecking going on whatsoever, you just decided to buy a mid-tier CPU for games that almost all use extreme amounts of CPU
It's not sagging down the performance of your 480, it's just not the most powerful CPU for those games

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>PC Gaymers

>muuh master race

Pathetic bunch of fools.

Look at Resident Evil 7 and how few hardware power is needed to render the graphics.

PC Gaymers get Witcher3 and think it's gud, because

>muuuh low FPS means it looks great!

Ahahahaha, you eat up every shit program thrown at you, because you don't know any better.

>>58678515
Some games are really CPU intensive OP. Take Resident Evil 7 for instance. I run the game maxed out on a 1440p panel and while my 989TI is giving an easy 60FPS, I started monitoring my CPU usage and temps. The game is damn near a CPU benchmark with how heavy it is. The AI scripting behind the main enemies is so extensive you can almost hear/see the CPU temps and usage climbing when that specific character is on screen and actively hunting you.

I have an i7-6700k and I've never felt the need to overclock ever until now. I'm seeing average 85-100% load on all 8 threads for the entirety of playing that game. It could be your CPU, while a decent one, just isn't enough for some games. I know ARMA stuff is especially CPU intensive.

>>58680883
>console port
>runs like shit, looks like shit
>PC developed games
>under well, looks good
I'm not sure what you're trying to imply, resident evil 7 is pretty shit from an optimization standpoint, resources are getting thrown all over the place and nothing is organized or streamlined. Plus personally I never liked the resident evils much.
I mean are you comparing 60fps 4K Witcher on PC to 30fps 900p witcher on Xbox?
If you are, you could at least compare 240fps doom with 30fps console doom

>>58680883
>how few hardware power
hmmmmmmmmmm
relly made me think

>>58680883
I get 90fps maxed possible settings in witcher 3, and that's at 1440p
How does that compare to a ps4?

>>58680938
>resident evil 7 is pretty shit from an optimization standpoint
No it's not. It runs 80fps max settings on RX 470

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>>58678515
>>58678542

>>58679021
Yes I too have only experienced excellence since installing an NVIDIA ™ GPU and have been immensely enjoying high frame rates and smooth gameplay, the way it's meant to be played ©.

>>58681026
Yes it is, it has swapping issues, is extremely CPU heavy for a shooting hallway kind of game and the textures themselves are low quality and slow to pop-in
Just because it's a game that can be handled by a 470 GPU doesn't mean it's not a horribly optimized CPU-wreck of a console port

>overclocking a non-K
>hurr durr bottlenecking meme

Fucking retarded kids nowadays.

>>58679959
1070 doesnt even bottleneck my Oc 2500k.

>>58681440
"Bottlenecking" doesn't even exist for 90% of modern desktop hardware
What OP is referring to is that his games use a lot of CPU power per each additional fps, and he is sad about that.

How could a gtx1060 tier GPU get bottlenecked by any i5 that's sandy bridge or newer? You fucked up somewhere else op.

>>58680931
>I'm seeing average 85-100% load on all 8 threads for the entirety of playing that game.
That game is yet another example of bad optimization, but you should have expected that from an AAA title.

>>58681500
Fuck this argument. If it's real who really cares that it's poorly optimized. It still happens. Cities: Skyline absolutely hammers my i5 mercilessly. You use that argument like it completely negates the reality of the situation.

>>58678515
WAIT FOR RYZEN

>>58679021
I too have witnessed this. I will never buy AMD gpus again.

So how do we test for bottlenecks?

I have a 6600 and a 480, and I'm willing to be a guinea pig.

Synthetic programs only plz.

Why would you fork out for an i5 and then get a fucking AMD gpu?

Take it back and get a GTX 1060

>>58681589
They are equivalent gpus tho.

>>58678832
Are you sure it is the game chewing up 100% CPU utilization? Also, what games? I assume games.

>spend 200 on a cpu
>run a 200 dollar gpu
Why do people do this
>not spend 100 dollars on a used 2600k
>get 300 dollar graphics card

>>58681702
>$150 i5 6400
>$100 Z170 MATX board
>overclock to 4.5GHz
How is this not the only objectively correct choice right now?

>>58681702
Grampa nobody wants some old shit that's 30%+ worse than what's available, plus some overpriced motherboard. Fuck off poorfag, are you really so pathetic you can't spend $800 every 5 years or so?

>>58678552
This...

Either buy the K or stick with the i3-6100 and z170 until you could get one.

>>58681742
Except my 2600k with a proper gpu blows your 6600k with a shitty gpu out of the water.

You're just an idiot who can't prioritize components in terms of importance

>>58681730
Because that's still a shitty quad core with only 4 threads

>>58681730
6400 is $180

>>58681766
No.

>>58681779
No what?

>>58681799
No, your old cpu is not as good as a new cpu. Sorry.

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>>58681742
Says the guy with a 200 dollar gpu

>>58681811
It's a 480 and it's seriously more than I need. Not a gamer fag.

>>58681808
I didn't say it was, I said it was better coupled with a more powerful graphics card than your combination is. and it objectively is

>>58681821
Still funny you are calling other people out when you run shitty hardware like that

>>58681824
So now would be the time to put up or shut up.
>>58681847
Shitty hardware? How's it feel to be 13?

>>58681855
the 480 is a slow piece of shit yes

>>58681531
But the reality of the situation is that a 6600 is MORE than enough for 99% of games
And that OP doesn't know what bottlenecking means

>>58681821
>not a gamer
>buys gaming graphics card
We got a real smart guy here

>>58681554
Can you reach max boost clocks and memory clocks for your GPU, ever?
If yes, ever, then you are not bottlenecked.
I can tell you right now, you're not bottlenecked.
But if your game uses more CPU than GPU, and your CPU can't handle it, it'll cap out/stutter the fps where the CPU stops handling it

>>58678515
It would only bottleneck for 144hz gaming

>>58681824
Whatever GPU you have, it is without a doubt being held back by that old cpu.

>>58681864
Stay salty fag it works great

>>58681871
I can peg out my 6600 easy peasy. 4 cores is pathetic in le current year.

>>58681882
>what is encoding
I play 3 games maybe 2 hours a week, if that.

>>58681766
Not if you were OP, you'd be making this same thread ignorant of what a bottleneck is

>>58680883

Most of the time its just poor optimization because devs are lazy fucks.

>>58681899
>Whatever GPU you have, it is without a doubt being held back by that old cpu.
Nope, I game at 1440p, so at 4.5 gz a 2600k isn't the bottleneck
>Stay salty fag it works great
I'm sure it does, but it's still a mid range card, so it's funny you are calling other people out when you have a card like that

>>58681916
Who cares

>>58679021
The 480 is faster compared to the 1060 thanks to driver improvements, there's a million other things that could have been wrong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEw3CaNSbUo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s12S74umruY

>>58681899
A game that puts your CPU under 100% load isn't what bottlenecking means

>>58681899
>what is encoding
Something you do on your CPU. GPU encoding is trash.

>>58678832
Look up CPU benchmarks for those games and you'll see exactly where an i5 would perform

even the G4560 doesn't bottleneck for 60hz gaming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnCT1C_H3qY

>>58681923
>"so a 2600k isn't the bottleneck"
You meant to say "over 60fps is impossible"

>>58678542
kek, you are retarded, my gtx 1080 runs fine on my i5 4570

>>58681952
THIS
>Inb4 "RYZEN PLAYING 4K GAYMES AS WELL AS INTEL!!!!"

>>58681959
Please tell me you don't have just a 1080p

>>58681923
I'm not even sure you have a gpu, or a computer.
100% sure if you put a 6600k in place of that aged cpu, you would get more fps.

>>58681939
Cool. So what is that term then? Can you explain more plz?

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>>58681952
>You meant to say "over 60fps is impossible"
What makes you think I'm using a 480? I have a proper gpu

>>58681978
>100% sure if you put a 6600k in place of that aged cpu, you would get more fps.
I'm sure that is what you think, which is why you went full retard and spend as much on your cpu as you did on your gpu.

And here you are, complaining about lackluster performance

>>58678515

I don't think you know what bottleneck means.

>>58681980
ITS A POORLY OPTIMIZED GAME THOUGH

LAZY DEVELOPERS AND SHIT

>>58682002
Dude, you seriously are the only one butthurt over my choice of hardware. /g is never right. Never.

>>58682033
You literally made a thread about being butthurt

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>>58681980
>>58682009
Kyle always gets the strangest results

Here's a titan XP

>>58682055
I literally just came in here 10 minutes ago.

>>58682056
at 1080 the cpu would bottleneck a titan xp obviously.

I hope you understand the vast difference between that situation and op with his 6600k and a 480

>>58681978
It means you're playing a CPU intensive games that require both adequate GPU and CPU power, and you lack the CPU power.
Your GPU is still fully utilized.
>>58681980
If your CPU was maxed out while playing at 1080p (at higher framerates), increasing the resolution increases the GPU load, eventually limiting the FPS (via GPU limits) before the CPU hits a limit
Of course 1080p 120fps will be way harder on a CPU than 4K 60fps, having your GPU at max load at 1440p instead of your CPU at max load at higher fps isn't anything to brag about

>>58682071
And then you started getting butthurt I get more fps with 2600k and a proper gpu

>>58682056
That's a Titan X, not a Titan XP
That's the failed Titan X, not the good Titan X

>>58682074
>having your GPU at max load at 1440p instead of your CPU at max load at higher fps isn't anything to brag about

Actualy, having your gpu at max load under 1440p is pretty normal unless you are running a titan xp

>>58682074
..so if I'm hitting 99%+ on the cpu, it's a cpu bottleneck? I mean the term bottleneck is kinda shitty anyway, there is always going to be SOME kind of bottleneck somewhere, correct?


>>58682087
No I got butthurt over buying someones used fleabay equipment. And I still don't know that you even own a computer.

>>58682137
>No I got butthurt over buying someones used fleabay equipment
And now you are stuck with lackluster performance, good job

>>58682151
Lackluster performance? Seriously, what would I do with a 1080? A 480 was way more than I even needed. I am seriously happy with this build. Only one unhappy is you, apparently.

>>58682137
Well for games, something that uses two components that both limit the end result (fps), maybe. But as far as hardware goes, the term bottleneck is extremely irrelevant to any modern desktop

>>58682181
What makes you think I'm unhappy with my build? You are just blurting out random shit

>>58682200
This is fun. Really. Keep going.

>>58682224
More random shit

>>58681941
So I should spend more money on my cpu, rather than GPU?

>>58682239
you seem unhappy I didn't buy old used equipment.

>>58682265
Unhappy? I'm laughing my ass off.

>>58682286
It is better than the emptiness that is your existence, isn't it?

QED

PCGaymers are the biggest wannabes in the tech scene.

Funny that some retards here think that RE7 graphics isn't way better than the graphics of Witcher 3.

PCgaymers need some eye surgery.

They think the totally plastic artificial looking trees and grass looks good or even realistic.

Poor fools, after all they have to justify their investment with little return for themselves.

>>58681766
Why are you comparing 4c/8t chip to a 4c/4c chip of course the 2600k is going to run better on multi-threaded apps.

>>58678515
Just out of curiosity is it a reference card and what are your ram speeds?

What's the best RX480 to get? I want to replace my two 670s. I'm not expecting much more performance, but the 670s are way too hot for summer nights in my new room.

>>58685566
MSI. but if heat is an issue I wouldn't get a RX480 just get a 1060

>>58685566
XFX GTR 8GB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWASNajSdpg

>>58685215
no it's not much at all. 5% I bet.
That 2600 is old af

>>58685577
One 70°C card will be better than two. I'm just sick of SLI

>>58678515

I've got the same CPU and a 1070 and I have not noticed any bottlenecking

>>58688477
OP is using a midrange gpu and is blaming the cpu for poor performance in games.

>>58687756

going to SLI 2 1080Ti's when they drop t b h

>>58679292
>>58679248
Really? every review of the MSIs i read seem to say they one of the better models.

>>58679281
you have an nvidia card an a freesync monitor

>>58688531
I have 2x1080s in sli.

>>58680725
>an pure
>RyZen
>I'm, so