>"People who are too poor for Nvidia go AMD, the bargain

>>58654190
The real question is why isn't the rx 470 cleaning up when it's such an incredible value and a better value than anything nvidia has on the market save maybe t he 1070

>>58654252
Why did the GTX 280 outsell the 4870 when it was less than half as powerful for a higher price? Because Nvidia shills are the hardest shills in the world.

>>58654287
Still have that card and love it. I am certain there will never be such a value card from AMD again.

>Best AMD has to offer this year
>Worst Nvidia has to offer this year

>>58654190
>just the wiser option
then why can't AMD raise the prices?

>>58654574
oy vey

>>58654574
That's what they're doing with zen
They know they've hit a once-in-a-decade generation of gains, they're not gonna squanch their golden ticket by making themselves the budget brand again

>>58654190

AMD cards run, just not well. I'm always running into issues with buggy software and nuclear heat coming off of these things. I've had it with the lack of QC and the next two cards I pick up will be Nvidia.

>>58654714
You joking right? In the recent years drivers have been good, power consumption is good also.

>>58654190
>poor software support
>much higher heat output
>fallout 4 is still buggy
>generally slower than equivalently priced nvidia card despite drawing more power

Went from a HD4870 housefire to a gtx 670 and now a gtx 1070. Not buying AMD and their junk for a long long time.

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>>58654678
Poorfags are cucked then, ain't we.

>>58654765
It's only slower for the first year..

>>58654714
>nuclear heat coming off of these things
t. someone who doesn't own a RX 480
nigga I have the reference card and it's quieter (a lot) than the stock fans from the h100i @ 50%

>>58654714
Out of curiosity, can you give us the model of card you have, along with the case and psu you are running it with?

>>58654760

No, I'm not. The drivers go bad every so often requiring new installation and Crossfire auto-enables itself whenever it feels like completely shutting off my main screen. Then it becomes a whole ordeal to attempt to get the settings up because the extended desktop doesn't go to the tertiary monitors as a result.

There's also the heat issue. These two guys put out a lot of heat even with liquid cooling. My office is generally around ten degrees higher than the rest of the house because of it.

You may have different experiences, but mine with AMD haven't been pleasant.

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>>58654833
id fucking hope so

>>58654871

Absolutely, I'm running two 290x's with custom watercooling blocks, a CM Storm case and Rosewill 800 PSU.

I'm looking to get two 1080's as updated replacements.

>>58654831
I want what's best for my money now. Not in 3 years when I'm ready to upgrade.

>>58654925
Personally I think the driver issue might be more of a problem with crossfire/SLI than AMD/Nvidia
Try a single 1080 at first, SLI has plenty of its own problems just like crossfire
What are you doing with it?

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>>58654939
I said 1 year tops. And most ppl don't upgrade 'till 5 years or so. So it's adequate.

>>58654988
>most people don't upgrade till 5 years
That's not true and you know it.

>>58654878
thats why I said 50%
the fucking cunts are the pic at anything more

>>58655014
but seriously why do they include such absolute shit fans with a somewhat "premium" product

>>58654287
>Because Nvidia shills are the hardest shills in the world.

says the person who is part of a measly 18% of a global amd desktop gpu userbase. the majority is always the shills and not the loud super small minority right?

>>58654957

I run three screens. 2 32" and one 40" 4k. The performance, I can't complain too much for being an older card. The QoL issues are just a pain in the ass.

I can't run a single card for rendering. My system would grind to a halt.

I do rendering, maintain remote SysAd, normal internet items, games and watch streaming video. Usually most of those items in tandem.

>>58654190
>Hotter or louder depending on what you choose
>No OC room
>same performance
>same price
>terrible brand recognition with bad history of shitty drivers and doods
>wiser choice

Really makes me think OP

>>58655100
Yeah if you want to do dual cards you're better of with SLI than crossfire IMO. If you want it now go for the dual 1080s.

However Vega and 1080ti should be coming around the same time.

>>58654988
Most people upgrade every 2-3 years and then sell their old hardware for half price thus saving 50%. The "once every 5 years" thingy applies only to ultra poorfags and overall poor countries like mine (Poland) and in all cases it's just drastic and pathetic. If you actually play games outside of cancerous mobas and mmos and want to have 60 fps with settings that don't gouge your eyes you are out of luck. Future proofing doesn't exist when it comes to GPUs.

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>>58654190
>tfw have rx 480 gaming x 4gb
mfw it cant get a stable 60 fps in all modern aaa games on recommend settings
>tfw it's closer to 50-30fps

>200$ for this

good thing im rma'ing it soon

>>58655241
What will be your excuse when it comes to RMA? Do they actually give a fuck and check if the hardware is faulty or not? The idea of getting a gpu, running it for a year and then RMAing it for no reason sounds too good to be true.

>>58655235
It depends on consoles you faggots
>The longer a console lives the shutter the dev,and graphics

>The more your card shines

>>58655241
And what's your CPU?

why do amd drones get so ass exploded when people buy nvidia?

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>>58655261
I'm using my shit performance compared to systems with the same build.
seriously man this thing should be getting like 50-60 fps in most games but for some reason my performance is shit.
it's possible its my cpu(i5 6400) so I'll rma that cause due to overly high cpu usage

im optimistic that this will solve my problems and allow me to finally have some fun with this build

>>58655241
If you got it at launch try to flash it to 8gb

>>58655241
>falling for the fx 83XX meme

>>58654190
>aka from corner cutting async compute
Its time to stop posting.

>>58655333
*so I'll rma that also due to overly high cpu usage

>>58655303
i5 6400

>>58655333
>its my cpu(i5 6400) so I'll rma that cause due to overly high cpu usage
So you'll RMA your CPU because your OS is using most of it to process telemetry data or whatever?
Good luck RMAing CPU because of high CPU usage. Sure does sound like a hardware problem.

>>58655333
Yeah the 6400 is trash tier. Should've gone with the 6500 it actually makes a big difference. Ideally you would've gone 6600k

>>58655314
Because they live in that tight bubble of cherry picked benchmarks and denial that simply allows them to jump straight to conclusions. AMD sold badly even if the hardware was on pair? It's Nvidia's shills fault. They have a bad reputation of faulty drivers? It just works for me! Stop being so tech illiterate!

Either way I honestly am looking towards Ryzen. Here is to me hoping that AMD won't also try to fuck me over by applying an overclocking and hyper-threading Intel tax.

>>58654939
AMD is shit stomping in resident evil 7 right now, and it's DX11 even

>>58655377
This is sarcasm right? Poe's law and all that stuff right?

>>58655314
because they're such a small minority that they have severe brand loyalty towards their dying company. it's like people who still buy nokia in 2017.

>>58655394
Kinda funny to see AMD getting that optimized performance b4 Nvidia for once. From what I've heard Nvidia has some issues with shadows in RE7.

>>58655399
https://youtu.be/70-8XG6uhK4

muh gigahurtz dun matter

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>>58655399
obvious sarcasm
Why anyone would get a i5 6400 or i5 6500 over a i3 6100 is such an obvious joke

>>58654190
>8%
>double-sized bar
AYYYYY LMAO

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>>58655370
os doesn't really use that much of the cpu, its pretty much all games for example im testing watch dogs 2 right now cpu usage is 90℅ gpu is 70℅

just closed it and its now cpu is
5℅ usage
thanks I'll probably throw in a "its giving fps stuttering" or some shit

>>58655377
other people with my specs are getting alot more performance with it strangely

>>58655425
All consoles run AMD hardware, coincidently every console ports runs and sells like trash.

>>58655434
I just assume that in both cases of 6400 and 6500 you would oc them using older bios alterations
>Also posting charts instead of gameplay in 2017

I might as well post charts written with shit on a piece of toilet paper and claim they are real.

>>58655460
Don't u need a z170 to oc them?

What if he doesn't have that chipset?

>>58655448
>right now cpu usage is 90℅ gpu is 70℅
Well there you go, you're bottlenecked by your CPU and yet you dare to blame it on RX 480.
Poor RX 480, to have such a shitty owner. Shame on you.

Just get a better CPU.

>>58654287
>less than half as powerful
t. pajeet
280 was more expensive but on par with 4870 you lying sack of shit

>>58655478
Then you made a terrible purchase.

>>58654190
I rather not spend extra 100 usd for extra 2fps, gaysync and meme bullshit

Nvidia is the apple equivalent of gpu's

>>58655486
>6400 isn't enough to run games with the budger 480 RX.
>Meanwhile my 3570k doesn't bottleneck my 1070

The AMD driver overhead meme is real.

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>>58655486
just to be on the safe side im rma'ing both parts since its likely that its either one.

>>58655456
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6__TvBzAVj8
the power of APOO

>>58655534
Lol what the fuck a 6400 really bottlenecks a RX 480?
Guess its clock is that shit eh

>>58655534
Doubt it doesn't, depends if whatever you're playing is more CPU bound. You might just be playing different games.

>>58655546
Good luck getting it RMA'd because it doesn't match your desired performance levels.

>>58655647
It's not supposed to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBK_vcllZVU
this guy has the same specs as me yet he's running gta v at 60-50fps while Irun it at 60-28fps something is definitely wrong with my gpu or cpu

>>58655689
Run some shit and get the clock speeds, temps, and shit for the cpu and gpu nigge
and if you got a 4gb that could be why in gta

>>58655661
this goes beyond desired performance levels, it's definitely a hardware issue.
When I lower the resolution and decrease graphic settings the fps stays the same it's completely maddening

>>58655729
>fps stays the same
Doesn't sound like it's GPU then.

>>58655729
When it comes to GTA 5 make sure you drop those advanced graphical settings. They tend to simply drop frames in some ingame places. I don't know why, had similar issues with my i7 and 1060. Both cpu and gpu would simply drop to 70% usage in some cases when I had advanced graphics enabled. It's probably bad coding, try to run all settings on ultra minus advanced graphics like extended shadows etc, uncap your fps and compare it some gameplay on youtube using your rig.

>>58655728
gpu clock speeds show up as what they should be, temps are good on both cpu, and gpu.
gpu usage is quite low in pretty much every game I run though.

>>58655754
should I just rma the cpu than?

>>58655765
I keep advanced graphical settings on their lowest possible setting, tried increasing them before though didn't see any difference.

>>58655821
What's your ram? How much ram do you have? Run msi afterburner with rivatuner or some other AMD alternative in the background. See GPU and CPU usage, if you reach CPU usage into 90s in CPU then yes its your CPU shitting itself. If both aren't close to 99% then it's something else, probably ram or shitty engine optimization.

>>58655821
>should I just rma the cpu than?
I still doubt it's a hardware issue.

What are you going to give as a reason? I don't think "I get 20 FPS in GTA V" is going to cut it for either of those.

Benchmark your CPU, benchmark your graphics card, see how benchmark results compare to same hardware.

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>>58655878
8gb
heres a screenshot I took with msi after burner
>>58655892
on firestrike both gpu and cpu had slightly lower scores than average
I'm not sure what the issue is beyond it being a hardware fault, and yeah it would be kind of hard to get that excuse to fly but I dont know what else to say gaming is the sole reason I purchased these parts yet the performance is abysmal despite reviews and other peoples benchmarks on games

>>58656097
setting are on high which is what auto detect selected

>>58655010
I had a HD7970 until very recently. It was still enough to run a lot of current games at high settings at 1080p. If I didn't switch to 1440p I would still be perfectly happy with it.

>>58656097
I forgot how good GTA 5 looks.

Which reminded me, I had it pirated, so this might only be an old patch issue, but starting up the game with any AA setting be it 2x, 4x or whatever made the game run at 20ish fps. Changing the setting while in game, say from 2x to 4x made the game run normal.
I also have an AMD card. So it was just some weird bug, I had to change anti-aliasing settings on every single run

>>58655100
Yeah maybe it'd grind to a halt with a 290x, try a single card

>>58656161
kek that's watch dogs 2, but I do agree gta 5 is a beautiful game.

>>58656200
Shows how much I played GTA 5. Beautiful game, not that fun though.

>>58656211
yeah I beat it once, I still play it every once in awhile though cause I really enjoy the first person view when driving and walking about.

I'm regretting buying my ASUS 970, I barely heard anyone in hear talk about this GPU anymore

Meanwhile people still gloating their 390 or even 380 purchased.

I wished I wasn't got meme'd so hard like this, fuck you /g/.

>>58656097
That's obviously CPU bottleneck.

>>58656349
Sooo you buy GPUs so people can talk about them? 970 is still a decent card. I just hope you didn't pay more than $200.

>>58656432
is it possible it's a defect since the 6400 is supposed to be able to handle a rx 480?

>>58654287
Still 5770 got a huge market share, 'cuz was as fast as 4870 + cheap as fuck.

>>58656349
Its cause nvidia is like apple. Mactoddlers always have to buy the hip new product from their masters, same goes for nvidia. You probably won't be hearing anything about the 1070 in a couple years. Definitely will about the 480 though

>>58656508
I have a 6600 and I've been bottlenecked in a few games.

>>58656528
I have a 5770, don't know what to do with it.

>>58654925
..You're not running an FX 8350 are you?

>>58656549
how bad?
I'm going from 60 all the way to 30 fps it's insane man, I'm not sure if it's a regular bottleneck

neo /g/ nobody suggests checking cpu temps

>>58656620
Not to that extent. I run a 1600x900@80Hz monitor and sometimes my CPU can't keep up. I haven't seen anything close to under 60FPS.

>>58656973
I'm thinking I may have a defective cpu or gpu hopefully rma'ing them solves the issue I'd hate to have to spend more time and money shipping even more parts to their manufacturers

>>58655456
maybe that has something to do with
the fucking quarter gig of RAM
and the quarter gig of GPU RAM

>>58655436
Don't post CPU boss

>>58657040
Could also be thermal throttling. What are your temps like?

>>58657370
highest I've seen it in games was around 55c

>>58654190
>AMD cards have never been the cheaper option, just the wiser option.

Unless you use linux, then it's the masochistic option.

>>58657437
Did you ever consider that the rx 480 just sucks and the benchmarks you are looking at have settings turned way down compared to what you are trying to run?

>>58657520
I'm pretty much on par with my friends r9 380(2gb) in terms of fps and I know that the rx 480 is supposed to be miles ahead.
either my gpu or cpu is faulty, but in case you're right and the 4x 480 is just a shitty card I'll probably sell my system and move on with my life

>>58657611
Are you running windows 10? Ive heard the xbox overlay or whatever it is causes performance issues because its recording all the time or something like that

>>58657726
I'm using windows 7 pro, was using ultimate last month but thought a change of versions would help with performance sadly it did nothing

>>58657520
>the rx 480 just sucks

See >>58657217 It's beating 1070's and 980Ti's

>>58656161
I had a similar problem with mad max. On start up it would drop frames like a motherfucker but if I changed the settings around, played a bit, then switched em back it would play just fine. This was on an r9 270x.

At least it did until either a patch or a driver update (can't remember which) came out and made the game run like absolute shit no matter what I tried. Thankfully I had already finished it but I kind of wanted to upgrade the engine more for shits and giggles. Oh well.

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something is definitely not right here
>>58656097
earlier screenshot at high settings, and 1080p

>>58655689

nigga your gpu is probably thermal throttling. open up your case and see if it does the same thing.

if it still does, put a big fan in front of the case. seriously.

run msi afterburner while you're gaming in a known slowdown situation, alt/tab out and look at the gpu temp graphs and see if your gpu is riding it's max limit.

>>58655878

fuck i didn't read far enough this guy basically already said that.

How are AMD when it comes to CPU's? No way in hell I'm switching from Nvidia but the upcoming AMD CPU's look very promising and I'm getting tired of Intel's Jewry.

>>58658023
Have you tried uninstalling drivers using amd's driver removal tool? Sorry if this has been asked already, I haven't much time left on break to browse the thread properly.

Driver removal and installation has been a bit of a pain for me from the time I bought my 7870 on release up till now even with crimson relive on my fury. I recommend never using the auto update and always downloading the latest drivers from amd's website. Run remove tool, reboot in safe mode, reboot again, install drivers, reboot in safe mode, then reboot again. Trying to skip any steps, for me at least, has resulted in needing to do the whole process over again.

But yea that there is cpu bottleneck. If not drivers you have something running in the background hogging resources like crazy.

>>58658113

they aren't even out yet.

the best amd cpu's are used 6 core phenom's or severely overclocked 8xxx/9xxx chips which aren't worth your time unless you can get them cheap as chips.

i had the fx6300 and even overclocked to hell and back it was pretty 'meh' compared to my i5 4440 at the time. sold it in a pc with a 280x for like 450 a year ago.

>>58658082
my case has been open for the last week, it does nothing plus temps are quite low for my gpu and cpu.
also tried what you suggested but still getting low usage.

>>58658156
It's ok, and yeah that was one of the first things I've tried doing since building this pc I've probably done it around 20 times now.
never tried it with so many reboots though will give it a shot.
as for the cpu bottleneck it's strangely all from the games I play, and to be honest the only game I've ran that didn't give me shit fps and stutter was witcher 3

>>58656349
We warned you, yet you still went for that GPU, you're at fault, not the shitposters that recommended that card to you.

>>58658023
>35% gpu usage
>near 95~% on most cores

obviously the solution is moar coars

>>58658277
Yeah I admit it's a bit overkill, but I've had far too much trouble with drivers to go about it any other way. All too often I would try to do things more quickly, have it not work correctly, and then have to do it correctly a second or even third time.

I'm sure the fact I was stuck on windows vista for quite some time had a lot to do with it, though.

There was even once where the drivers wouldn't work because they "weren't signed" so Vista wouldn't let them make changes. I ended up having to edit a registry file to get it working. I think it was just changing a 6.3 to a 6.2 or something. From what I understand the explanation was that xp-8.1 are essentially the same OS at their core, and later versions are differentiated by the .x value, and AMD just forgot to add the number for Vista.

I found the solution on an alienware tech support page, believe it or not.

>>58656583
Nah, a 9590

>>58654190
>that bar graph
And we thought Nvidia was bad.

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>>58660000
nice quads
>>58655441
>>58654190

holy shit for real what was AMD thinking what is this cancerous chart fucking fuck

>>58654714
What is even the normal temperature for a GPU? my 280x is always between 60-70°C under charge

>>58660375
60-70 is optimal not just for that GPU, but any GPU, you can't really go below this with air under load

>>58654287
You're thinking of the 260

Fuck all 280s sold in comparison

>AMD learned how to make marketing graphs from nvidia

>>58656118
a friend of mine found hd7970 and a q6600 for 20€.
powerful for it's time and a good rig since he never even owned a proper "gaymer" computer

>>58654190
> 100% is there
> another 7% is waaaay up there

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>judging all hardware through the lens of useless video games

I5 6400 is for overclocking only, don't fucking run it in stock in a gaming rig, 2.7GHz is useless.

>>58654190
>muh price vs performance
If you are seriously constrained to such a metric for a single card setup, you're poor, no getting around it.

>>58655235
My 4870 provided me with a decent frame rate for almost every game for 4-5 years, the fuck are you talking about? It's true, ppl just buy shit from their retailers and stick with it untill a program/game won't boot up they don't even bother to resell. Most computers are sold in the low-end/mid range market anyway.

>>58655010
He's right though

>>58654925
I have 2 1080s. Have been flawless so far, Im using the optical bridge.

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what graphics card should i getr
RX 480?

>>58660711
That's so fucking true.

Most of the hardware manufacturers all zoom really far into the graph and most times only show the top difference making a 1% difference between 2 products seem like a 50% difference if you dont look closely on the scaling being used.

It's such shitty way of marketing.

Marketing departments job is to make everything look better by manipulating our way to see graphs. Sometimes they make the scaling text really small so we wont notice it.

As Bill Hicks said: "If you work in marketing, kill yourself. Seriously!"

>>58654190
>Nvidiots BTFO again
Yawn. It's getting old at this point.

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>>58654765
am i the only one who has an AMD card and never had any problems?

even fallout 4 runs perfectly

>>58655500
>>58655555

>>58654190
Stop postin that stupid chart. It's an insult to our intelligence. We all agreed, when it was first posted

>>58662599
>that monitor
If you don't plan on upgrading your monitor you could honestly get something even cheaper than an RX 480. 1050 ti or an RX 470 if you're feeling fancy.

>>58662599
it depends entirely on what you're gonna be doing

if you're gonna be doing 4k gaming, then a rx480 obviously won't cut it. but for 1080p 60fps, it'll be fine for most games, assuming you're willing to turn settings down on some more demanding games

>>58662178
But amd is better outside of video games. Their cards have retard levels processing power

i tried to buy the first 480 that didn't cause housefires AND didn't have edgy gaymer aesthetics; i accidentally bought the RX 480 GTR black edition, the best one of the bunch. back when dishonored 2 came out (before optimization patch) i was getting the same framerates as 1070 owners.

How much did AMD pay for NvidiaGraphworks

>>58654988
>most ppl don't upgrade 'till 5 years or so
Am a third worlder and I buy a new card every 2 years

>>58654190
ITT: autists debate the difference between coke and pepsi
>they both do the same fucking thing

>>58659871
I use Safe>DDU>rst safe>install newest stable driver>reset

agreed with ddu and manual driver install though, had a problem when I first upgraded to 390x and above fixed it.

>>58654190
1060 and 480 are neck and neck in well coded games. Crappy console ports run better on AMD, but games that are "built for" PC like Obduction often run better on Nvidia

>>58654252
Nvidia mindshare. But the 3GB 1060 and the 470 aren't really that different, at last not enough to make someone change brand loyalty. 470 a best

>>58655241
You found like a console pleb / Win10 user

>>58656349
It's a decent card

>>58660375
That's a high wattage card

>>58662599
You could get an RX 460 with a 1080p monitor for a better overall experience

but like what's your income? if you get an RX 480 how long before you can upgrade to a decent free-sync display?

Also what is the input for that monitor? Does it have DVI?

>>58654190
I always just used Sapphire cards because their quality was always very good, unlike evga and their cheap chink shit. So I always buy ATi/ AMD

>>58663878
>>58659871
Tried both of your suggestions but sadly the problem still persists.

I'm going to call intel's customer service later today and see if they can help me with this issue or replace the cpu

The one reason I use Nvidia is Gamestream and Moonlight.

I dont think AMD got any good alternatives to this.

>>58662664
I remember when I was young, walking in front of the local pc store always wishing I could buy the Phenom x3.

>>58665342
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFspxb34a9w

There is nothing wrong with your card OP. You just need to learn from your own mistakes - AMD hardware always encounters some issues, glitches, bugs, throttling or simply performs worse than showed in benchmarks because you don't have $1000 cpu/ram/mobo combo to hide terrible driver overhead. Enjoy your thrash while my 1070 just werks until I sell it 3 years down the line and buy 1170.

>>58655385
>Here is to me hoping that AMD won't also try to fuck me over by applying an overclocking and hyper-threading Intel tax.

You're retarded.

>>58665452
The only reason why 6500 and 6600 even exists is because jews at Intel don't want you to get an unlocked CPU with 6400 price point that could easily compete with 6700 performance.

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>>58664675
>He doesn't know Sapphire is a chinese company

>>58665485
Every company is a Chinese company

Anything AMD I've ever bought was a major fucking disappointment. I will stick with Intel and Nvidia thanks. I5 3570k GTX 1070 FTW

>>58654190
You literally just tried to defend AMD while presenting a graph demonstrating how shit their drivers are.

>>58654190
I just buy them because they support Iran

Will Vega be any good or just another fucking disappointment? Still sitting on my R9 290, don't know if I should just get a nvidia card instead

>>58664709
Sorry I couldn't be of more help, man. All I can tell you is with an fx 4170 and an r9 270x I got better framerates that what you were getting so something is most certainly not right. What it might be I have no fucking idea.

>>58666532
Vega looks to be heavily targeted at the GPGPU scene based on its architecture. Hell, even the architecture slide deck seemed more focused on enterprise, multimedia, and business markets with some gaming stuff dabbled in as an attempt not to completely alienate their core fanbase.

Alas, I honestly believe Vega is a compromise. It's a business decision made in the sake of maximum profit potential. AMD, although on better ground now than they have been in quite some time, simply don't have the resources necessary to develope several architectures at once, nor provide high level support for them regularly.

With any luck, them turning a genuine profit and not just reducing losses will lead to some much needed expansion that will allow them to juggle serveral architectures in a single product family like they used to and nvidia sort of still does.

>>58654190
Just buy the card you like, shit.

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>>58665425
>resell in 3 years

>>58666610
It's all right regardless you took the time to help a stranger, and for that I thank you.

I'll rma it, and if that doesn't work I'll just possibly sell the cpu on ebay and get something a bit more powerful

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>>58654190
>the white bars are 100%
>the red bars are 104-108%
>that scaling

>>58666717
And where is this architecture data you're gathering?

>>58665342
I bought and still have an x3 laptop for 200 bucks back in 2010/2011

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>>58667948
Did the same with my ASUS 970. Got 60% of original price while selling it to some British Pajeet. How upset are you?

>>58654190

>Bar doubles in size
>8% increase

>>58662599
rx470 and a 1080p monitor lad

>>58654190
>games that literally nobody plays
That's why I chose AMD, to play these games that literally nobody wants to.

>>58668012
I hate to post this video (because there are things I disagree with and this guy is kind of a prick) but it sums up a lot of things fairly well and the guy drew many of the same conclusions I did.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C4BUb6wSSXk

In short, vega's improvements are made namely in the sake of compute throughput. This is excellent for GPGPU applications but not especially ideal for video games, and even with Taylor-made engines would not be as potent as a more traditional architecture.

The chip itself is massive at >500mm square and uses a fragile and expensive interposer to interface with expensive and mostly unnecessary HBM2. Much like the Fury, it will have debilitatingly low yields thanks to these factors and will have a high price, even with razor slim margins. Even if it outperforms a 1080 or even 1080ti, it will likely be undercut in price by a margin AMD couldn't realistically reciprocate.

Simply put, though, it's not trying to compete in gaming performance. GPGPU is an ever expanding market AMD has had limited success taking hold in thanks to the long standing use of CUDA. Wins in these sectors don't just provide much, much higher margins, they also ensure steady cashflow through contractual agreements. Compared to the extremely niche enthusiast gaming market, it's a much more appealing audience.

Where my opinions start to differ is in what this means for us consumers. True, this is a harsh decision AMD had to make, but it's a well calculated one. They hope to retake enterprise share in both the CPU and GPU space and to do so they NEED to expand. CUDA's dominance stems largely from excellent software support. Nvidia provides round the clock, hands on support and useful tools and assets. Meanwhile AMD still stuggles with supporting a line up of cards with nearly the same base arch in a reliable manner. Server CPU customers will certainly also expect immediate and competent support.

So AMD had to focus on these areas first. (Cont.)

>>58669739
They put what resources they currently have into making the biggest baddest fucking compute killing card they could and put the high end gaming market in the backseat.

I don't believe this means they've "given up," however, at least not yet. For AMD to truely turn around they need to grow so they can compete in all the same ways that have allowed nvidia and intel to secure overwhelming dominance.

AMD has some insanely talented people under its wing, but it can't hope to really make a stake without more sheer manpower.

This is all lining up quite well for them, though. MCM Zen variants of up to 32 (or is it 64 now?) physical cores with SMT with performance on par with intel's high core count offerings with better efficiency could be big winners in and of themselves, but having an absolute compute monster of a GPU on top of that gives them the potential to provide packages no one else can offer. They can subsidize costs on packages of Zen CPU's and vega-based GPU's through long term contracts which will provide much needed PHYSICAL capital necessary for growth so they can continue improving in the areas they currently lack in.

I could be wrong, of course. Vega could turn out to be the best video card ever made, but I honestly doubt it. It's just not designed to cater to how videogames are currently rendered.

Assuming everything pans out, however, AMD could return to making more regular tweaks to existing architectures or just flat out introducing brand new ones without fear of burying themselves in excess workload supporting them all.

Sorry I ended up rambling on, it's just I want to make it clear I don't think vega is a failure, just that its purpose isn't to be the end all be all consumer graphics card on the market.

>>58668087
>>58668998
ayyymd really shit diarrhea everyhere with this one
at least zen slides showd 40% improvement on just 3x bigger bar

>>58669909
even adoredtv is shitting on it
DOA

>>58655133
>No OC room

The RX 480 has more overclocking headroom than the GTX 1060, unless you're a retard who completely ignores the effect of GPU boost at stock. In which case, woah, the 1060 is shit at stock, you have to overclock it for it to be any good.

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>>58670057
>The RX 480 has more overclocking headroom than the GTX 1060

>7% bar double as tall as the 100% bar

Really makes u think.

>>58670078
Are you a retard who thinks in terms of absolute mhz rather than % increase, or a retard who doesn't realise that most RX 480s can go above 1400mhz?

>>58670120
They can now, yeah, but early examples struggled to secure even a 50mhz overclock.

The reason for this is the best chips were sent out to OEM's while we all got the leftovers. The market has finally balanced enough to where we can reasonably expect better quality chips to make their way to joe blow average consumer.

But yeah, unlike most nvidia cards, a 10% boost in core clock often results in a nearly linear increase in performance.

>>58655534
> 3570K
My nigga. Mine's still going strong, and I appeared to get a shit overclocking chip as well, since mine tops out at like 4.1GHz.

Wish AMD had actual high end cards.

>>58672098
wish NVIDIA had a current high end card and not maxlel

>>58672098
Vega's on its way. Wait and see then.

>>58672128
TFW stock 1080 outperforms oced FuryX by 40%.

>>58654190
im pretty sure the rx 480 is cheaper though

>>58654190
>>>58672098
>Vega's on its way. Wait and see then.
So far their supposed best Vega card barely matches 1080 which will be well over an year old by the time it releases.

>>58672182
tfw 980 ti outperforms 1080

Also I like how AMD fags always completely ignore how inconsistent are their framerates compared to NVidia. You might not be able to notice 5 lower average fps however you do notice you fps spiking up and down all the time.

>>58672229
nvidia cards have consistently high frametimes because some of the resources are dedicated to telemetry

>>>58672182
>tfw 980 ti outperforms 1080
https://www.google.bg/search?q=980ti+vs+1080&prmd=ivn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiD2rC2veHRAhXF2hoKHW6lAEoQ_AUIBygB&biw=360&bih=512

nice meme

>>58672261
980 ti overclocks better and is faster clock for clock because pascal is literally maxwell on 16nm

>>58654190
>>>58672261
>980 ti overclocks better and is faster clock for clock because pascal is literally maxwell on 16nm
he keeps memeing

I'm using a Diamond reference 480 8gb and the only thing i have ever had a slight problem w/ was shit games like h1z1 and insurgency, otherwise it has outperformed every expectation except power usage but what am i a gay jew? fuck the power draw wtf

>>58672278
>he keeps being an uneducated nvidiot fanboy

>>58654252
For not much more than the 470, you can get a 480 4gb or 1060 3gb

>>58654252
The majority of people just waste money on nvidia just because. Most people buy their rigs as a status symbol rather than to actually game on.

>>58662178
Why else do you need a powerful rig nig?

>>58672330
470 destroys the 3gb 1060

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>>58672316
>I lost the argument so I must throw insults

If it's the same architecture how come it nearly doubled the performance of the 980 ti? And even if it is, why care? in the end I still own your poor fag GPU.

>>58672449
>how come it nearly doubled the performance of the 980 ti
making things up won't help your argument

>>58672331
Yes it's not like 144Hz and 1440p gaming is now a thing. And it's not like the only cards in the market that actually can produce satisfactory results are NVidias.

>>58672449
>being an absolute retard
>2017
https://youtu.be/nDaekpMBYUA?t=5m12s

>>58654190
>>>58672449
>>how come it nearly doubled the performance of the 980 ti
>making things up won't help your argument
I already linked you benchmarks

>>58672499
it's too bad you've already been exposed as a complete moron

>>58672485
can 980 ti reach those clocks ? No ? This video is retarded then.

>>58672515
how the fuck do you think he got those numbers?

>>58672521
by underclocking the 1080? How stupid do you have to be?

>>58672528
980 ti is faster clock for clock, pascal is a worse architecture and the 980 ti doesn't need to reach the same clocks to beat it

>>58672196
> comparing unverified leaks to hard stats
It's why I said wait and see

>>58672479
Steam stats show the vast majority of players still use 1080@60

>>58654190
>>>58672479
>Steam stats show the vast majority of players still use 1080@60
I like being ahead of time

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Doing a sidegrade from a GTX 970.

What should I expect /gee/?

>>58672536
yes it is, but that does not mean it can reach the same clocks as an 1080 therefore the massive performance difference

>>58672584
literally not worth it

>>58672584
Why?

>>58672597
>>58672616
Why? I don't know, why not? I'm not spending a penny.
My GTX970 overclocks really good (1550 for the core) but shouldn't be the RX480 more futureproof?

I still don't know how much does the RX 480 overclocks, though.
Hope I don't get memed again by you /g/. FUCK.

AMD isn't competing in the high end market (until vega releases), so why should I get a 480 when a 1080 does the job better?

>>58672584
>>58672597
I currently have a GTX 760, and am looking into upgrade options. I have a 1080p 60hz monitor and dont plan on upgrading anytime soon.
I have been leaning to getting a 1060...Im not categorically opposed to AMD, I had a Saphire 4850 ages ago that was pretty solid. Though, these days Im pretty much in the Nvidia camp. I dont think I really need a 1070.

>>58672658
RX 480 sucks bad at OCing compared to Nvidia cards

>>58672658
>RX 480
>Futureproof
>Worse performance per watt than maxwell or pascal flagships

lel

>>58672658
If you are not spending a penny go for it for sure. The performance gain is huge after recent drivers

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>>58672683
>>58672693

And know you're telling me this, everyone makes fun of the GTX970 and there are literally dozens of memes about it, and at the same time, everyones praise the RX 480.

I still can cancel the order, though.
I fucking hate you /g/.

>>58672728
Dude wtf, go for it

>>58672425
>What could you possibly do with a computer besides playing video games?
I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

>>58672728
>He hasn't heard the RX 480 burns motherboards meme

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>>58672728
*now

Also the memory on my GTX970 can't overclock for shit because it's from some shit brand and not from Samsung, so that's a thing too.

>>58672722
Actually, I'm gaining like 20 bucks from the sidegrade.

>>58672757
Nice meme, that doesn't happen anymore. I already did my research.

>>58672683
>Maxwell
>50% overclock for 20% performance boost
>Pascal
>60% overclock for 15% performance boost
>Polaris
>15% overclock for 15% performance boost
kek.

>>58672775
where do people even pull those memes out from is beyond me.

>>58672775
>Poolaris 100% efficiency

kek no

>>58672775
>Overclocking a card that literally has power draw problems at stock

Burnt mobos on the way

>>58672677
Dude I've got a 760 as well. I'm gonna wait for Vega. If it nails it, I'll get one of the Vega cards (RX 490?). If it flops, I'll get a 1070. Win/win

>>58672767
> gaining $20
Do you have a buyer lined up for your current card?

>>58672861
Yeah

>>58672853
Fair enough, Ive considered waiting for a while too. The 760 is showing its ago, but its serviceable for my needs at least for the time being...so can limp along with it. But a 1060 would be pretty solid upgrade for me for around half of a 1070

>>58672904
Yeah, I know the feel. Space Hulk: Deathwing runs at like 50FPS but drops to like 25 when the fire gets heavy, and The Division and Eternal Crusade don't run perfect 100% of the time either.

>>58672754
I'm laughing at your lack of a response