The main reason Windows 10 failed was "baby duck syndrome",

>>58651732
They don't care about the fanboys. They want to be hip like Google and Apple because they think phones and tablets are the future. And because they like the "app store" model where they don't have to sell people upgraded OS versions or rely on people buying new devices, they can just take a cut off the top of all software sales on the platform.

Enterprises will come along for the ride because they have regulations and compliance departments that force them to run only "supported" software, and Microsoft can just kick 7 and 8 out of support. Hell, they don't even have to offer special extended support at punitive rates (like they did for XP) if they don't want to, they could very well just flatly state "Windows 10 is the only supported version, no support for 7/8 will be available in any way after Jan 2020" They have enterprises by the balls and they know it.

Me, I just switched to Linux. It's easy to make Xfce look like Windows Classic.

>>58651803
This argument doesn't make sense. Microsoft can appeal to the hip app crowd while still leaving Classic Theme for the old fuddy-duddies. They actually spent money disabling Classic Theme seemingly to piss people off.

>>58651803
>they could very well just flatly state "Windows 10 is the only supported version, no support for 7/8 will be available in any way after Jan 2020"
No they can't. There are versions of Windows 7 supported till mid 2021, and Windows 8 is already out of support except Windows Embedded 8 Standard, while Windows 8.1 only ends support in 2023.

>>58651869
They wanted a.) a unified UI between computers and phones, and b.) to ditch a component they didn't want to maintain.

>>58651876
Enterprises aren't running POSReady or some such on their general-use desktop and laptop machines, they're running vanilla 7. And that most definitely does leave support in Jan 2020. Enterprises don't want to migrate between versions of OSes ever, at all. It's a massive, disruptive, expensive project. They certainly don't want to do a migration just to get 1-3 more years of support.

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>>58651905
>to ditch a component they didn't want to maintain.

And yet if you forcibly terminate the Themes Service on Windows 10, Classic Mode comes back.

I quite liked Windows 8.1

But a lot of things didn't work well. The full screen apps. The store. All configuration menus were (and still are) a clusterfuck). The right side menu. Initially a lot of people didn't even know how to shut their computer down.

I don't understand why Microsoft can't just streamline the experience. And I don't understand how they think such privacy invading issues in W10 are acceptable right after Snowden.

>>58651967
>I don't understand why Microsoft can't just streamline the experience.
That's what they think they're doing. You know, like how Mozilla thought Australis was a good thing, or how Canonical thought Unity was better than existing DEs.
>And I don't understand how they think such privacy invading issues in W10 are acceptable right after Snowden.
Because data is money. That's Google's entire business model, and they're far from the only ones using it. And because they know that most people and most businesses aren't willing to do the work to leave Microsoft's platform. They know they can do what they want and users will bend over and take it.

>>58651905
>Enterprises aren't running ... or some such
Yes they do. They may very well be using Windows Thin PC/WES7 alongside the 'vanillla' W7 Enterprise in domain-joined networks, which ends support in 2021. POSReady would of course be unlikely because it is meant for Cash registers and digital signages.
>They certainly don't want to do a migration just to get 1-3 more years of support.
Some companies would have already moved and stopped at Windows 8.1, due to various reasons. Microsoft still have to grant them support till 2023.

>>58652004
Almost all Microsofts profits come from Office and Windows. The profits they make from things that require user information is still quite marginal.

For Google almost all services are about the users information. But every attempt of Microsoft to break into Googles space has failed. So I'm not sure if it's the wisest strategy, if it comes at the expense of the trust in the Windows brand.

Seriously, what does anyone following the law have to hide?

>>58652046
While Microsoft has the infrastructure available to for example conquer the webhosting market. They would be much better off focusing on that.

Or they could products that compete with Adobe. Which would be a lot easier and fits their existing business model.

>>58652084
*could create products that compete with Adobe

>>58652074
post your facebook and google id. Why are you in an anonymous image board?

Sometimes i feel like you guys roleplay with computers. if you know what you are doing, windows 10 is fine. i use win10, linux, and osx heavily.

>>58652074
Take initiative and post your name, address, credit card number, expiration date, security code, and pin.
You have nothing to hide, after all.

>>58652103
[email protected]

Cool.

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Windows 10 failed because it's an unstable, unpolished piece of turd.

Majority of windows 10 installs are because of forced upgrades

>>58652124
>>58652103
Obviously I mean nothing to hide from the government.

>>58652132
>ask for google and facebook id
>give throwaway email account

>>58652143
Why the fuck should I give anything to the US government? I don't even live in the land of burgers

>>58652143
Well, you obviously did not state that in your original shitpost.

>>58652103
>>58652124

Obviously taking it into ad absurdum territory. If I give my banking information to the bank is it still mine? Yes. If the bank has it and they put it on a card, is it still mine? Yes. If autocomplete stores it and fills in fields when I want it to is it still mine? Yes.

A lot of you are so upset by the perceived privacy invasion because you have a very simple understanding about privacy, just as most people don't understand money. If you are separated from the notion that your name, address, telephone number, etc, are not "one time pad" secure, or ever could be, you will begin to be more comfortable in the world as opposed to more upset.

This is the modern age.

>>58652158
I have had that account for more than 10 years. Notice how it doesn't show up anywhere?

Guess I'm not that stupid after all.

Windows 10 is the buggiest piece of shit Windows to ever be released.

>>58652212
No, I didn't check and I wanted your facebook/google ID.

>>58652212
You just got it indexed as being posted on 4chan.

>>58652203
Not them, but I live in the Netherlands and here almost all services are private. ISP's aren't allowed to scan your traffic. There are no decryption orders. TransIP stack offers 1tb free encrypted storage. We have startmail which is encrypted email. Startpage and IxQuick.

Not sure why Americans hate privacy so much.

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>>58652143
>>Obviously I mean nothing to hide from the government.
Because the government is always right and virtuous, isn't it? There's never any Kafkaesque bureaucracy. There's never anyone malicious. There are no unjust laws. Right?

I don't have a right to privacy because the government gives it to me - and can take it away when they choose. I have a right to privacy because I'm human.

>>58651732
>So why won't Microsoft do it? They're literally pissing away billions in revenue to push their new UI which the majority of hardcore Windows fanboys don't like.
These people are absolute minority also they tend to be poor and still use XP. There is no fucking point further raping their interface to appeal to them.

>The main reason Windows 10 failed was "baby duck syndrome"
Bullshit, I love to try new stuff and it's just lame. Less stable than 7, forced updates and tons of ridiculous bloat like the store jumping in your face. Then there is the whole inconsistent UI and so on. Windows is just hopelessly dated and with 10 they took one step forward and two back. At least 8.1 was consistent.

>>58652132
Cp sent

Enjoy your prison time, amerilard :^)

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>Why windows 10 failed
It's not reliable. Default configs fuck your shit up and people with jobs don't want to get lost in the autism gpedit minsweeper maze

>>58652203
>If you are separated from the notion that your name, address, telephone number, etc, are not "one time pad" secure, or ever could be, you will begin to be more comfortable in the world as opposed to more upset.
>This is the modern age.

Just because this is how the world is, does not imply that this is how the world should be, or that we cannot change how the world is.

I very much look forward to a day when the government doesn't know everyone's name, address, phone number, and so on.

>>58652332
Holy shit. Imagine the upgrade fails in the end too.

>>58652273
>Because the government is always right and virtuous, isn't it? There's never any Kafkaesque bureaucracy. There's never anyone malicious. There are no unjust laws. Right?

Your posterchild got in trouble for flagrantly violating a contract with the government and committing treason. I don't see why Americans wouldn't want him in jail, PRISM protects the fuck out of us and tinfoilers cry foul because it's not a mechanical keyboard or windows 95, they're not comfortable with it.

Could you imagine if we had a working STARWARS project? Everyone would say "I don't want me and my family being zapped from outer space, I tell ya!" and would deny the entire country protection from ICBMs. Tinfoil logic right there. If you won't let your country protect you, then you're the one that should leave.

And if you're not an American. Good, stay the fuck out of what Americans are capable of and can enact for the benefit of their citizens while you get bombed every month.

>>58652225
Why is sabayon harder to use than gentoo

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>>58652353
>I very much look forward to a day when the government doesn't know everyone's name, address, phone number, and so on.

I know a good place for you to go.

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>>58652358
Here in the Netherlands we had registered all the jews before the Germans invaded. Pic related.

But that isn't the biggest issue with sharing information with the government. The biggest problem is that the government tends to make policies around everything it perceives. So it will slowly keep on creeping into your personal lives.

In the USA Americans are very fierce in defending their constitution and sticking to their core values in that regard. But for some reason they do allow the government to creep on them in other parts of their lives.

>>58652358
>committing treason
The loyalty of citizens, and of government employees and contractors, is to the Constitution, not to the government. If the government violates the Constitution - as warrantless surveillance indisputably does - then we owe the government no loyalty, and acting against it is not just our right but our duty.

>If you won't let your country protect you, then you're the one that should leave.
Those who sacrifice liberty for security will wind up with neither.

>>58652358
>committing treason.
It's called whistleblowing.

>PRISM protects the fuck out of us
Prove it.

>what Americans are capable of and can enact for the benefit of their citizens while you get bombed every month
Like killing themselves? Americans killed more Americans on American fucking soil since muh 9/11 than any foreign terrorist could dream about.

>>58652353
Balance, nigga. Why the fuck shouldn't the government know what you name is, where you live and how to reach you? As long the information is minimal and not something like religion or whether you're a faggot, there is nothing wrong with the basics. This isn't privacy but paranoia.

>>58652429
>the Constitution
Tell me where it specifically mentions internet traffic in the constitution.

Traffic is monitored on the roads and keeps everyone safer. If they could identify illegal activity as well as they could on the internet the world would honestly be a better place.

>>58651732
what's "baby duck syndrome"?

>>58652422
>Reductio ad Hitlerum
There it is, folks.

>>58652494
It wasn't an ad hominem or an irrelevant argument, so it wasn't a fallency.

>>58652524
*fallacy

>>58652483
>Traffic is monitored on the roads and keeps everyone safer.
Where did you see a cop installing a webcam IN your car, watching everything you do?

>>58652483
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Our papers and effects are now digital. That does not reduce in any way the protection the Fourth Amendment gives them. The surveillance of the NSA was conducted in most instances without any warrant, and even what was was largely invalid - since if you collect everything you are obviously not particularly describing the things to be collected.

For the record I'm against the use of surveillance on our roads, too, which is often now done with license-plate readers. Also for the record, a very great deal of things that are illegal should not be. Undermining the governments ability to enforce unjust laws is right and proper.

If the only people who are hurt by PRISM are weebs and terrorists I'm good with it.

>>58652358
>b-but it protects us1!1!1"!1!!

Oh right, because a government agency learning what kind of porn some random guys faps to is totally going to save lives. Do you really think that turning a country into a live action version of 1984 is actually going to turn out to be good?

>>58652491
basically: users are familiar with thing X
X for whatever reason as to go away and they must choose between Y and Z
Y is better from a technical (or whatever else) standpoint, but unfamiliar
Z sucks, but is kinda similar to X

baby duck syndrome says that users are likely to select Z instead of Y, even though Z sucks, just because they're familiar with X and Z is more similar to X than Y is

>>58652379
Because portage is very difficult to use without hosing your system in Sabayon.

>>58652494
"Lol, it was all in the past. There is no way anyone would ever again elect a populist blowhard who tries to unite the country by blaming outsides for all the ills."

>>58651732
>fanboys don't like

Nice strawman you got there.

It isn't about "like." The problem is that it destroys productivity. It's a massive time-sink to configure for your personal work habits, and you can't make critical modifications. You're stuck with a video game interface that has massive tracts of wasted space, playskool block design and invasive advertisements. And that's before the metrics that suck down 20%-40$ of your CPU resources.

What people "like" and want is a highly efficient workspace, an operating system that does their bidding, doesn't interfere with their work, and doesn't cook off nearly half of your CPU cycles reporting every keystroke to Redmond & the NSA.

The Classic interface under WinXP did just that ... near total control, offloaded massive amounts of the GUI rendering to the GPU, and just stayed the fuck out of the way in general. Starting with Aero and embedded widgets, it became a video game for 12 year olds, not a professional tool.

tl;dt -- stuff your strawman up your ass. Sideways.

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>>58651930
i-is this real

Sure is fun watching all of the loli lovers try to claim the moral highground in a "surveillance" argument.

Also 51 replies and 14 posters. That's got to be one lonely weeb out there who loves his "privacy."

>>58652652
Are you just shilling or do you really object to freedom and liberty from first principles?

>>58652645
Windows 10 is literally a reskinned Windows 7 with spyware hardcoded into the kernel

>>58652652
agreed. the only people who cry about freedom and privacy on g are criminals and pedophiles.

>>58652583
>i want free instant communication for free but will still shit on the authors of such legislation
>i own the entire globe if my snowflake data bits travel there its mine

>>58652666
Are you just shilling or are you not aware of the role data plays in global intelligence today?

Oh, and are you also unaware that the government isn't what you have to fear, but rather other people on the internet and foreign agencies?

>>58651732
>"baby duck syndrome"

Why we need to keep inventing fancy schmancy pant terms for something that could otherwise be explained even easier in a single word - 'familiarity'.

Is it so some stuck up academics can feel relevant and smart? So nerds can feel intelligent when 'analysing' other people?

>>58652673
its very different but yes its basically just the Vista kernel still.

You sound like a typical dweeb who only knows 7 because youre poor and/or attend bad schools.

>>58652652
Pedophiles will actually argue with this.

>>58652719
>thinking this is about our nation and government vs. their nation and government
That's your mistake. This is about people the world over vs. governments the world over.

>>58652600
Vague enough not to deter me. Still curious. Should I use the alternative pkg mgr?

>>58652358
>if you don't like it, leave
>if you're not American, don't worry about it, in fact get fucked
great spread of options there
either accept it or die
really sounds different from an authoritarian hellhole that you're detailing here, it sure does

>>58652724
familiarity doesnt mean that the end user will refuse to learn anything new out of a childlike fear

what existing word implies a childlike fear of anything different? alt right?

>>58652652
http://www.techrepublic.com/article/99-of-businesses-have-not-upgraded-to-windows-10-according-to-study/

>>58652737

My poor/bad school had Windows 3.1. The Windows 98 Gateway machines came in literally on my last day and I never got to use them. There were also weird old computers in the shed that could only display green text and had some kind of shitty hangman game on them.

>>58652724
>Is it so some stuck up academics can feel relevant and smart? So nerds can feel intelligent when 'analysing' other people?
THIS
H
I
S

>>58651967
>And I don't understand how they think such privacy invading issues in W10 are acceptable right after Snowden.
They think that because they know for a fact they're acceptable.

You always have to keep in mind that Windows has (and had for the last 20 years) a monopoly on the desktop market.
There are millions of people using computers daily who have NO clue that other operating systems exist.

>>58652772
Corporations dont stop on a dime. It takes time to test everything. Many places just recently got off XP.

has anyone on 4chan EVER had a job?

>>58652786
post your current banking statement go ahead ill wait

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>>58652761
You're right, authoritarianism has no place in wellbeing.

>>58651732
W10 is great

>>58652817
You quote the wrong post, sis?

>>58652840
poor detected. disregarding opinions.

>>58652800
Only 5% of corporations in Murica run XP and over 99% of the ones using 7, didn't bother to upgrade after one fucking year. Quite a bit time to test everything.

>>58652847
5% is massive are you 6 years old??

And no thats not enough time retard. Get a fucking job.

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>>58651732
>Windows 10 dissenters will never upgrade until they can make it look like Windows 95
I don't care about the look, the OS is shit compared to 7/8.1. I have no plans to upgrade until they fix the underlying issues with the OS.

>>58652840
Did you not understand?

>>58652800
Fortune100fag here, companies do not shit gears quickly. Training costs money. Better for it to be cultural knowledge and let the working and hirable population learn a technology before applying it systemwide.

As far as PRISM goes, it has not affected me in the slightest. No one is forcing you to use the internet in private, but there are many advantages to do so.

Vista was the George W. Bush of operating systems. For some reason you felt cultural compulsion to hate him while he was here, but you look back at all of those moments you were told to disapprove and enjoy them now.

Windows 10 will be the Vista/7 of the future. We will all look at ourselves as present-hating luddites.

>>58652868
>And no thats not enough time retard.
It was quite enough time for business to upgrade to 16.10 Lolbuntu and macOS. Why did nobody bother with W10?

>>58652920
It's not like Windows 10 is massively different for the users, Enterprise version basically looks and acts like a slightly different 7 for them.

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>>58653001
>It's not like Windows 10 is massively different for the users, Enterprise version basically looks and acts like a slightly different 7 for them.

Let's just say you're making the call. You've got a lot of people to supply a service to and your current system and process is set up and under support. What do you do?

>>58652652
>oh shit I can't come up with arguments
>hehheh those ad hominems will show them

>>58652046
Nah. MS office (365 subscription) yes but windows not so much anymore. They are stating to make huge lumps of money from cloud services, azure,...

>>58653159
>highlights out likelihood of a one-autist band of shitposters
Yea, well I'll just meta-hominem you!

>>58653081
Obviously not bothering since it's a bugged piece of shit and the security it provided would be balanced out by the time the daily maintenance would waste. Unclear privacy situation doesn't help.

The actual process of installing it on employee computers is a joke though and just as easy as with macOS (hell it's probably harder on macOS) or Ubuntu, hence most companies tend to switch to next LTR version pretty soon.

>>58653208
>Obviously not bothering since it's a bugged piece of shit and...

Ahhh, shhhh... You're showing your power level.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choice-supportive_bias

>>58653201
>highlights out likelihood of a one-autist
>still trying to hide that you don't have an argument

Because calling everyone who has some self respect left and values their privacy "loli lovers" proves your point, right? Whatever helps you sleep at night.

>>58653252
Okay guys, hold up! Stop human progress in it's tracks because this man values his "privacy!"

>>58652358
I am ashamed to call you a fellow American.

>>58653294
>Stop human progress

Nice strawman you got there and fyi: an agency utilizing backdoors and such to treat every person like a criminal by violating their privacy is not "progress", it's a step backwards. It's not like you can properly comprehend what you read but go try to read 1984.

>>58653316
I will be happy to see you on the registry of sex offenders and far away from my childrens' school.

>>58653294
>giving up your privacy so a bored NSA worker can stalk his ex girlfriend is progress

>>58653357
>treat every person like a criminal
This is a disturbingly inaccurate and uneducated trope.

>>58651732
Are you a cretin? You associate failure with aesthetics? Fuck you troll.

>>58653400
Enlighten me then. Aren't suspects/ criminals rightfully monitored by law enforcement officers? In that case you actually do have a valid reason to monitor that person. In the case of mass surveillance however, you are basically trying to monitor every person out there instead of trying to find out who is related while violating privacies of many innocent individuals.

It's not like "it's for your protection :^)" is a valid argument. The Paris bombers communicated via unencrypted SMS and look how they failed to prevent that. Mass surveillance is like trying to brute force a problem as simple as 15+23 instead of trying to solve it.

>>58653555
Have you ever driven ona road?
You have been observed by government agents.
You have shared personal information, shown your face, license plate, and known associates publically.

>>58653555
>Paris bombers
>Paris

>15+3
Why don't you present this to the President?

>>58652332
>autism gpedit minsweeper maze
>windows update
>oh boy I wonder what policy doesn't work anymore!

>>58653726
>m-muh tinfoil hat meme
Nice non-argument, autist. It almost like PRISM doesn't exist.

>>58653783
>can't refute the points
>complain about a mildly relevant example instead

>15+3
10/10

Hands up, how many people ITT vape?

>>58654135
Me.

>>58651876
>Windows 8 was so bad that it's out of support sooner than it's predecessor

>>58651732
Maybe it's just, you know ... not a good piece of software?

I got a pretty alright desktop, FX 6300 with 8GB RAM and can't even open over 50 tabs in any browser (Firecuck, Edge, Chrome) without the shit having slowdowns from time to time. Works fine on same computer with Ubuntu. Works fine with a fucking Macbook that has a tablet tier CPU.

>>58651930

So, uh… how do you go about doing this? Since just disabling the service in msconfig.msc doesn't do anything.

Asking for a friend.

>>58652353
>I very much look forward to a day when the government doesn't know everyone's name, address, phone number, and so on.
Then feel free to move to the Middle East or Africa. I mean your entire argument is ad absurdum, just like the usual response to the "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" argument. If you can't grasp that privacy isn't black and white, then I wouldn't except you to even begin to understand how a government works.

>>58656098
No, because 8.1 came out, and it was treated as a Service Pack.

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>>58651732
>using the known wangblows 10 shill picture
Fuck it I'll take the bait just to complain.

I do have a PC on 10. It is currently useless to me because I have a 2008 fagbook that I will absolutely use until the battery blows the entire thing up. It's a goddamn comfy shitposting machine as-is. Starts just as quickly, I can do the same things on it, there is just limited compatibility unless I fuck with the OS. I will not even touch 10 until Microshit gets their shit together.

Windows 10 isn't shitty because of the UI. Yeah, the UI is the downy baby created from 8 and 7 (also the problem of MS pivoting HARD to try and make desktop OS and mobile OS indistinguishable), but the problem is instability. You don't need to completely destroy people's systems to piss them off. It's the small crashes, fucked updates, inability to actually install an update successfully, driver crashes, .NET crashes, application failures, inexplicable runtime errors, connection failures, and repeated nagging problems that will drive people away.

Consumers, at large, do not think particularly far into how their OS actually functions (they prefer peripheral route thinking and prioritize appearance), until a noticeable problem shows up. But they ABSOLUTELY will care if their software doesn't work, if the PC automatically updates while working, or the go-to "fix" is to reinstall the OS entirely.

10 simply wasn't good. The thing that should be most telling - in terms of overall consumer attitude changes - is the fact that people are keeping their existing hardware/software for longer compared to just a few years ago when "new = better" was the social norm. MS didn't like that, and the rest is history. Reminder for strategic comm people to never be like MS.

>>58651732
Windows 8 didn't do anything new.

Imagine Linux: Cinnamon
Neat huh.
Now Imagine Linux: XFCE
Only $100 for a new product key!

Changing the way the desktop worked and could be customized, aggressively prefetching, and defragging weekly by default did fuck all for ACTUAL OS FUNCTIONALITY

If we tell these shill threads to fuck off for long enough they'll get the message.

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>>58652839
Wangblows is GARBAGE

>>58660236
Classic shell?

Lmao.

>>58660236

how do you have cortana? i dont have that on win 10 professional. maybe because i just kept upgrading from win 10 tech builds, i also never get any ads though

>>58660271
Classic shell is not a part of windows OS, and it is just as unstable as windows 10

>>58660314
So consistent

>>58660320
Why does it matter? It's clear you're complaining about something that can be easily fixed.

I never had any problems with Classic Shell being unstable.

Cool story bro.

>Windows 10
>failed

over ten times the market share of Linux :^)

>>58660344
If you are fixing it, it means that your shit is broken.
>I never had any problems with Classic Shell being unstable.

What do you mean? Are you saying you are okay with classic shell being unstable? LMAO

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>>58660359
Windows doesn't even come close to Linux in terms of market share

>>58651732
It's not just baby duck syndrome. Everything about it has built up for me. Even if they re-released Windows 7 as Windows 11 I'd probably still be weary about going back.
First it was just muh UI with windows 8 - on a point of principle I didn't really want to go with it, because once you get into hacking together your own UI from third party software you're as well just using GNU/Linux and WINEing or dual-booting Windows anyway.

Then there was the telemetry, the app-store, the annoying pop-up in the Windows 7 toolbar that I had to head into the registry and bludgeon to death. And then on top of all that, there's simply no pressing need - no software badgers me to get a newer version of windows.

So why go back? Why not stick with a GNU/Linux + Windows 7? They've already demonstrated piece by piece that they can't be trusted: They want this. Even if they begrudgingly give in and hand over what I want retroactively, we've already seen what they'll do when they think they can get away with it.

>>58652143
Microsoft aren't the government.

>>58660378

Numbers yo.

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>>58660364

I suffer with microsoft, because after 7000 years they haven't fixed the worst font rendering known to humanity yet

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>>58660359
pic related
>>58660378
AGREE

>>58651732
i downgraded to fresh 7 install yesterday after a year of 10. I just didn't like it. I still have a 4gb ram /128 gb ssd gayman machine and it just wan't working for me.

I love the windows classic theme and small footprints.

>>58651869
You missed his point. His argument is that they just don't care at all.

>>58651732
they haven't provided anything since they achieved a marginal desktop system, based on the more competent apple system

>>58661198
Fuck I'm going to get Ryzen/Kaby Lake and I want to install Windows 7 but they wouldn't want to do it. I'm jumping from Intel Q6600.