>1 cent worth of aluminum >0.000001 cents worth of sand/silica

The Jews have the entire game rigged in their favor. Pay me, goy, this small piece of nothing is worth $250+ I swear!!

>>58594565
what about the gold, platinum, and other rare earth elements?

>>58594596
>what about the gold, platinum, and other rare earth elements?
There's only atoms worth of those in them. You can't even extract those out.

If you crushed few million CPU silicon wafers you might extract few milligrams of gold/platinum.

You can say that anything is only worth its raw elements, but that's not fuckin true.

The material processing and complexity to produce the die make it a goddamn reasonable price.

>>58594613
>You can't even extract those out
yes you can. You can easily get 100 bucks from some old processors.

>>58594565

OK I'll play...

>R&D + Fabrication $290
>Marketing $9.99
>All the shit OP listed is just a rounding error

>>58594565
don't you know?
less is more
that's why you get more money for a refined diamond than for a chunk of it

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>>58594639
>yes you can. You can easily get 100 bucks from some old processors.
Bullshit.

There's some Pentium Pros that have a fair bit of gold in them but if you buy them, chemicals and cost of the CPUs will cost you more than you'll recover from them.

Plus these days, no one uses gold in CPUs anymore for interconnects. Way too expensive.

>>58594565
by that reasoning, still infinitely less expensive than every digital produce ever

ok then, make one yourself :)

>>58594565
If I send you 2 cents will you make me one?

>>58594565
>reductionist inability to understand the concept of added value
Nice two digit IQ you got there OP.

>>58594746
not him but I'll sell you an older CPU for 2c. You'll have to pay for the shipping & handling. Deal?

>>58594765
of course the shipping would cost 15000g27s13c

money is a meme

https://xkcd.com/980/huge/#x=-4764&y=-3606&z=5

>>58594565
Oh, that's nothing, still wishing AMD would die?

>>58594565
>OP
>1 cent worth of electrons
>1 cent worth of protons
hurrr

>>58594810
No, it will cost you $20... anywhere in the world. Do we have a deal?

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>>58594639
there's more gold in PCB connectors than in CPUs. but all the people who think they can get rich from this are idiots because chemicals aren't free.

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>>58594565

>$1.65 of carbon

how do they get away with it, OP

>>58594648

So what you're saying is all that money is being distributed fairly to all the researchers involved and Intel isn't taking massive disproportional profits out of it?

... and you expect me to believe it?

>>58594565
Isn't capitalism great?

>>58594565
>I don't understand what research costs are
>I don't understand what development costs are
>I don't understand what production costs are
>I don't understand what advertisement costs are
>I don't understand what shipping costs are
>I don't understand what overhead is

The low costs materials must just magically form into a product and find its way to you, huh?

Dumbass.

>>58594565
if its so cheap why dont u make one lmao

>>58594565
aren't you paying for the system design amd architecture?

>>58594904
>I don't understand what surplus value is?

Enjoy being exploited.

>each Blu-ray disc costs like 1 cent to make
>charge $50 for each disc

>>58594890
How much money do you think the facilities that manufacture processors cost?

The price of the processors pays for the equipment and research it takes to make them.

/thread

>>58594904
those are called SUNK COST.

you're a fool for including all that shit into pricing.

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>>58594565
When you buy any product, a painting, a car, furniture, you're not paying for the materials, your paying for the quality, workmanship and dependability.

>>58594904
Those are not even the costs corporations themselves use to justify their massive unjustifiable profits, you corporate-bootlicker. That's just you trying to rationalize capitalism because you swallowed propaganda and don't wanna be labeled a "commie".

>>58594565
Just make one yourself, then :)

>>58594565
How much is your time worth?

>>58594904
>>58594944
If that were true, how the fuck do all these corporations make TENS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS every fucking quarter? Are you telling me they are not overpricing these pieces of sand?

>$12,000,000,000 machine to make them

>>58595002
>all companies should act as nonprofits with zero capital

>>58594565
Good luck to all the programmers in /g/ then, their work is worthless by that reasoning.

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>few dollars of paint
>fling it everywhere like you just don't care
>sells for millions

A sucker is born every second. How do you think Apple stays in business?

>>58595027
>strawman

>>58595002
>Tens of billions
Sauce

>>58595048
say whatever the fuck you want, modern art that represents nothing is a money laundering scam.

insult to art

>>58594890
>Hurr smoosh the stoot burn cerpatalosm
Why not go buy some good socialist CPUs from Venezuela or the USSR?

>>58594986
There's a reason you aren't posting from a CPU designed in the Soviet Union or Cuba.

>>58595158
>>58595175
>Venezuela
>Cuba
>don't have equality
>don't have worker's ownership of the means of production
Not socialist. Stop parroting propaganda.

>>58595158
Hey, if you love capitalism so much, then why aren't you working 14 hours a day alongside your wife and kids in a sweatshop factory?

It's very easy liking capitalism after all the improvements that socialist unions and progressivism brought into it.

I hope you enjoy all the Pajeets capitalism is bringing in to replace you for less than minimum wage.

>$0 worth of R&D

okay

>>58595197
This post is hate speech.

>>58595211
This post is bait.

>>58595002
ECONIMIES OF SCALE
>>>/econ101/

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My fucking God! What is happening with /g/? What are these kids doing here on this board?

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>>58595256
It's always been like this.

10 billion dollars in research and development each year, divided across all of those CPUs sold. Also, the equipment to fabricate them alone costs between hundreds of thousands of dollars to millions of dollars.

But sure, only take into consideration the material cost.

>>58595256

Because unlike /pol/ which is composed of rich white businessmen, this board is made up of tech-geeks, who are usually just simple working-class people.

>>58595265
if you think this constitutes "always" then you've been mislead as to how old /g/ is.

that pony show came out in what, 2010 or 2011?

>incredibly delicate construction process
>turns raw materials into massively complex unit
>literally not possible to make by hand
>machines needed to make cost 10000+ each

Try harder

>>58594565
so buy the components and make it yourself faggot. oh wait, you can't because you're just a NEET

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>>58595290
>/pol/ which is composed of rich white businessmen

This is probably the most successful bait thread.

>>58595265
>>58595290

Seriously, every fucking day anyone else create thousand shit threads like these.

Fuck's sake!

>muh 0.0001111 cents of this
>hur 0.0002 cents of this
>sells xxx price
>MY FUCKING SIDES JEWS BLA BLABLA

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>10 carat """diamond"""
>literally just 2 grams of carbon
>literally worth $0.05

Welcome to capitalism.
This is why I Soviet Union and North Korea dominated tech.

Can't believe this got 60+ replies.

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>>58595208
That's called sunk cost fallacy.

>In economics and business decision-making, a sunk cost is a cost that has already been incurred and cannot be recovered. Sunk costs (also known as retrospective costs) are sometimes contrasted with prospective costs, which are future costs that may be incurred or changed if an action is taken. Both retrospective and prospective costs may be either fixed (continuous for as long as the business is in operation and unaffected by output volume) or variable (dependent on volume) costs.[1] However, many economists consider it a mistake to classify sunk costs as "fixed" or "variable." For example, if a firm sinks $400 million on an enterprise software installation, that cost is "sunk" because it was a one-time expense and cannot be recovered once spent. A "fixed" cost would be monthly payments made as part of a service contract or licensing deal with the company that set up the software. The upfront irretrievable payment for the installation should not be deemed a "fixed" cost, with its cost spread out over time. Sunk costs should be kept separate. The "variable costs" for this project might include data centre power usage, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost

>>58595403
Actually, lab-grown diamonds and industrial diamonds are dirt-cheap! you can literally find small diamonds on roads because diamond saws that are used to cut pavement shed small diamonds all the time.

Diamonds are expensive because of (mostly) jewish cartels that control marketing and sales. But that cartel is coming crashing down as more and more lab grown diamonds are sold at fractions of the price of "natural" diamonds.

>>58594565
>pretending it's free to operate the plants that make them when it's in fact ridiculously expensive
>pretending billions of r/d is free
autism

>>58594639
nice post retard

>>58594861
I have enough core 2 duos already (and no working motherboards to put them in)

>>58595457
what the fuck
that's not sunk-cost fallacy at all
you're seriously saying a company that sunk however many millions into creating a processor should sell it for only the sum of the physical parts?

sunk cost fallacy is 'well we already spent a bunch of money on it, might as well keep going instead of wasting it since that money's gone' without totaling possible future losses of continuing
i mean i don't agree with many of intel's business practices but you're an absolute retard

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literally just some canvas and $5 worth of paint

>>58595194
>Hey, if you love capitalism so much, then why aren't you working 14 hours a day alongside your wife and kids in a sweatshop factory?
Because he got a better deal doing less
Capitalism at its finest

>>58595567
well, then don't ask me to sell them to you and quit welshing on deals.

>>58595568
are you dumb? just look at the fucking definition:

>A sunk cost is defined as "a cost that has already been incurred and thus cannot be recovered. A sunk cost differs from other, future costs that a business may face, such as inventory costs or R&D expenses, because it has already happened. Sunk costs are independent of any event that may occur in the future."

that's exactly what CPU factories and R&D are: sunk cost.

>>58595646
I said MAKE a CPU. only the finest artisanal locally sourced free range silicon is worth my 2 cents

>>58595675
Stop looking at them as separate entities, they are part of the same operation

>>58595698
>MAKE
I'll make one for you... just pay for $20 s&h already!

>>58595715
>Stop looking at them as separate entities, they are part of the same operation
you have no idea how accounting works, kiddo.

>ITT: I never took an economics/business class

>>58595568
Smart people come to that conclusion without wasting time replying.

>>58595575
There's only one of them. There are millions of cpus in the world.

Isn't a sunk cost just an accounting way of describing costs you have to pay no matter how much of your product you move? It's not good or bad but just a way of seperating fixed costs from ones which scale with sales

>>58595675
Your own fucking definition would indicate r&d is a future cost. Nobody will take you seriously if you contradict yourself in one paragraph, you retard.

>>58595991
Well, it basically means there's no use thinking about it because you already paid it. There's no guarantee you'll reap all the benefits of your investment. Economically speaking, that's what it means.

>>58596033
not really, from IRS:

>If it's not possible to directly match R&D expenses with revenue, then the asset can't be amortized. For these reasons, accounting rules require that all R&D costs be treated as expenses when they are incurred.

I'd explain it to you but you're too fucking clueless to even grasp what these terms even mean.

Can someone explain the point of this thread to me? Are people actually this retarded?

>>58594703
Nice lie faggot. Doesn't want competition?

>>58596286
can you tell me where to find cheap Pentium Pros? I'm all ears...

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>>58594565
>50 cents worth of paper

YET IT SELLS FOR $10!

>>58594565
but let's forget about the research and the machines used to manufacture these things and the workers who make them

I don't you know how manufacturing works

>>58594565
You vastly underestimate how much the silicon costs.

>>58596419
if you'd have read the thread, you'd see that we discussed that.

ps: you're wrong.

>>58595589
This

>>58596425
>You vastly underestimate how much the silicon costs.

How much does 1cm x 1cm of unprocessed silicon wafer cost?

>>58595575
Paint is expensive as hell though. Unless you think he made that using baby quality paints they give to children to use in school.

>>58594565
>what is the cost of developing and research.

>>58596388
>YET IT SELLS FOR $10!
That actually is a scam because you can download epub for free.

Not to mention that university textbooks cost $200 yet they're few dollars worth of paper and ink. And not to mention that they reshuffle questions and change variables every year so you can't use old versions of books. And then there's the "you need this one-time code that's printed inside of the textbook to submit assignments" scam.

>>58596435
The cost of labor from extracting the raw materials and processing isn't cheap, as well as the cost of energy to run such and operation, not to mention there is also market and R&D costs, as well as licensing and legal fees. The cost of raw materials isn't the only deciding factor in the cost of a product. You have to look at this on a macro scale. The sunk cost fallacy has nothing to do with this

>>58594703
even pros are only $40 a pop after the $400+ in work to extract the gold from them

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>>58595182
LITERALLY you

>>58596485
yeah.. if your labor (and health) are worthless.

watch this Israeli extract it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s8HiIG--Nc

>>58595194
I work 13 hour days you literal retard, it's not that hard

>>58595771
Are you a drooling retard? The price of the cpu pays for the r&d for the next generation of cpu, not the current one. It's not a sunk cost fallacy.

>>58595311
The fabs cost literal billions

>>58596624
thye already spent all the money on R&D of the current processors and they deducted it from taxes. wtf are you talking about?

>>58595001
OP gets paid per pop, not per hour.

itt: OP is a commie

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>a feat of engineering genius from the brightest minds the world has to offer which results in what is literally the most complex finished product in human history
>still costs less than women's handbags

>>58595050
Commie Retard

>>58595311
>10000
Negro, you can not even make z80 clones with this budget.

This is penny-on-the floor tier with regards of r&d costs.

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>>58594565
Shit let me just do the whole manufacturing process by hand.
OH wait I can't fit that many transistors like that because I keep fucking it up.
I wonder if I need a very specific machine that can do this at top speeds without fucking up in a Sterile and clean facility?

someone has to pay for research and development

>>58594890
Profit margin is around 20% (goes to stockholders, where the stock gets bid up until around 10% EPS)
Around 15% of revenue goes to R&D
Around 20% is depreciation
Around 37% is direct input labor costs and costs of material
https://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3AINTC&fstype=ii&ei=myiEWLiQLIW2e-Tnl-gD

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>>58596995
>

Research and development

>>58594565

>implying the huge advanced factories employing staff are free to run
>implying shipping and excavating of raw material is free
>implying quality controlls and state requlations and fees / licensing is free

>>58596798
>commie
>don't want to be exploited by greedy corporations by Intel that are run by Israelis
pick one

>>58594565
what an offensively stupid post

>>58597176
>exploited

How are they exploiting you exactly? Don't like their pricing? Don't buy Intel, retard.

Why isn't R&D a relevant cost when /g/ discusses apple products?

>>58597214
Because /g/ is manchildren who hate apple

Even the electricity bill for those factories could be like 18% of the cost.
Add labour costs, research costs, tooling costs, raw materials costs, materials processing, testing and prototyping, iteration until you get a product with relevant performance, packaging, marketing, transportation and taxes.

>>58597193
what if there's no options? then you're clearly being exploited by the monopoly.

>>58597254
What if my dick was in your mom's ass right now? Then I'd clearly be fucking her.

>>58597214
because Apple has made no significant technology advances over its competitors

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>>58597214
irrational hate for things that NEETs cannot afford. it's a phenomena as old as Aesop's fables... "Fox and Grapes" for example. It's a mental disorder for some on here.

>>58594565
have you seen the hardware and process needed to manufacture them? letalone the time and resources needed to develop the layouts for them

it's not like you can make a cpu with a chunk of raw material and a hammer

>>58597270
>because Apple has made no significant technology advances over its competitors
nigga, you went full retard... why does everyone copy them? and no one can still match their processors when it comes to performance/watt.

>>58597254
and that gives you the price that distributors pay for the chips. still ways to go until the retail price as far as energy, opportunity and management costs go.

>>58594565
You're probably one the same people who can't figure out why a whole bunch of 1s and 0s is worth anything

>>58597280
>why does everyone copy them?
stale meme. all companies copy. the only original apple products (post 2000's) were the ipod and iphone.

and even the companies that make phones introduce features of their own, which apple subsequently copies. see NFC, front-facing cameras, etc

you are a fanboy

>>58597292
1s and 0s are worthless though. selling digital content is a pointless endeavor only kept alive by media conglomerates and big production studios through anti-competitive means.

nowadays you must sell a service. the businesses that understand this (steam, netflix, spotify, etc) are dominating.

>>58597335
Since iPhone, everyone has been copying them heavily. You can't deny that.

>>58595002
>tens of billions every quarter
What the fuck. Intel reported like 14 billion in revenue last quarter. Revenue is not profit. If making CPUs was cheap and easily profitable then there would be dozens of companies cranking shit out. Instead, we have like 3 major players in the world and one of them only makes CPUs for smart phones and the like.

>>58594565
>price is set by the costs

Not only you're forgetting a bunch of costs on that list, you fail to understand that if each CPU costs Intel say $10, but people are willing to pay $300 because AMD can't compete on that range and they're the only option, they won't sell it at ten bucks.
Demand sets the price, costs set the lucrativeness/feasibility of your business.
I can go to the beach and pick up a grain of sand. After a few years, I could make a glass out of it an sell it. Of course, the man hours would mean that that glass needs to be priced at $30,000 to turn a profit, and noone is going to buy it.
Costs determining the price is so 1800s anon

>>58594767
did I just get redpilled on /g/

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>>58594565
knowing how to put it together.... priceless

>>58594565
>billion dollar r&d costs

>>58597365
sure, they have had original ideas, and they've received astronomical amounts of compensation for them. apple is known for generating demand from thin air, and to simultaneously polarize customers. it's inevitable that alternatives will spring up.

I don't believe the iphone is overpriced in any case. it's one of their only competitively priced product lines. nothing justifies the price of macbooks, imacs (etc) though. it's pure brand perception.

>>58597384
define "major player". I feel like there's way more than 3.

>>58597413
Companies possessing the rights for x86 architecture seems to be a good measuring bar

>>58597409
I agree on Macbooks. But the build quality really is insane and unmatched by anything. I don't own a laptop myself but have checked out MBPs at BestBuy and they're just amazing... especially when you compare them to PCs that are on the next isle.

>>58594975
If only that was fully ture. your also paying for a meme ex apple

>>58594890
Why does it have to be equally distributed?

>>58594565
I think you purposely ignore the procedure because the ingredients are cheap.

How much did the facility cost?

How much did the tools, labor or necessary R&D cost?

>>58596531

oy vey!

>>58597448
desu, laptops are next to un-upgradable, so once it's life cycle finishes, you're better off throwing it away and moving on. On that context, I'd have a cheaper, lower quality build that dies 5-8 years from now by the time I get rid of it, than it being just like new for the next 20 years I won't use it

>>58597438
so VIA is a major player and Qualcomm isn't?

>>58597448
most OEM laptops are pure shit. if you want something good, shop business. that's STILL going to be cheaper and just as well built.

also, apple devices tend to feel sturdy and well made but usually aren't. they go through lengths to make sure that weight distribution is perfect, and to have as little removable or movable parts as possible.

then their designs overheat, crack, bend, etc.

>>58597479
some laptops have ram slots and maybe an esata connector inside but they're all more or less non-upgradeable. that's what laptops are because ppl value weight & thinness over upgradeability. if you want upgradeable, get a desktop PC.

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>>58595495

the real reason diamond has value is women value them and men spend money for them.

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>>58594565
I think you're missing the important parts.

It's kind of like with coca cola. The first bottle of coca cola costs $40million, subsequential bottles of coca cola cost 1/4th a cent.

I just showed my 11 year old brother this question and asked him why this might be.

>"because processors are super tiny and you can't make them real easy, because computer makers have to make big fancy machines and they have used huge lasers to make them. Robots costs a lot of money to build too. A-a nd they need to find all the metal and sand to invent the processor"
>(he couldn't think of the word silicone, but I'm still proud he remembered it had to do with sand)

Hey OP, why don't you go back to 5th grade and learn some basic economics?

>>58597610
police help I just witnessed a murder

>>58597384
If much of the process wasn't tied up in IP I'm sure there'd be more out there.

>DUDE WHY DONT, THEY JUST LIKE SELL THINGS EXACTLY HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO MAKE THEM? WAIT *inhales marijuana smoke* WHY DONT THINGS JUST BECIME FREE?

Maybe because the equipment and R&D costs hundreds of millions of dollars?

If you want - start your own microprocessor company. Charge whatever you want, if you give people a better deal you'll destroy amd and Intel! Go do it. What are you waiting for?

you need to go to school and learn what research and development is

OP I see you found a major flaw in the market.

Now I know how you can make a ton of money. Just start a microprocessor company and sell them for cheaper, you'll out-compete the Evil Intel and AMD and make yourself a fortune.

Go on OP, just start a microprocessor company that turns a profit. I'm sure you can do it, at a lower pricepoint too.

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>>58594565
like when you buy a house for $300,000 and find it's made of some bricks, wood, metal and concrete...

x86-processors for both regular PCs and embedded designs[edit]
Currently:

Intel
AMD
VIA
In the past:

Transmeta (discontinued its x86 line)
Rise Technology (acquired by SiS, that sold its x86 (embedded) line to DM&P)
IDT (Centaur Technology x86 division acquired by VIA)
Cyrix (acquired by National Semiconductor)
National Semiconductor (sold the x86 PC designs to VIA and later the x86 embedded designs to AMD)
NexGen (acquired by AMD)
Chips and Technologies (acquired by Intel)
IBM (discontinued its own x86 line)
UMC (discontinued its x86 line)
NEC (discontinued its x86 line)
x86-processors for embedded designs only[edit]
DM&P Electronics (continues SiS' Vortex86 line)
ZF Micro (ZFx86 - Cx486DX SoC)
Zet GPL open source FPGA implementation targeting the Xilinx ML403 and Altera DE1[1]
RDC Semiconductors (R8610 and R8620)
Nvidia (M6117C - 386SX - discontinued)
ALi (x86 products went to Nvidia through the ULi sale)
SiS (sold its x86 line to DM&P)
ao486 open source FPGA implementation of the 486SX. Currently targets the Altera DE2-115.[2]
Manufacturing-only of x86-processors designed by others[edit]
GlobalFoundries (manufactures processors for AMD)
IBM (manufactures processors for ZF Micro and VIA; discontinued production for NexGen and Transmeta)
TSMC (manufactures processors for AMD and VIA; discontinued production for Transmeta)
Fujitsu (manufactures processors for VIA; manufactured processors for Transmeta)
In the past:

UMC (manufactured processors for Rise, SiS, ALi, ULi and Nvidia; discontinued x86 production)
National Semiconductor (manufactured processors for ZF Micro; discontinued x86 production)
Manufactured and sold under its own name of x86-processors designed by others[edit]
IBM (designs by Cyrix; now this line is discontinued)
SGS-Thomson (designs by Cyrix; discontinued x86 production)
Texas Instruments (designs by Cyrix; discontinued x86 production)

>pick all store fronts
>one is called kike

>>58598110
Or your car when it's just made of some metal, paint, glass and seats

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>>58598119

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>>58598124
>not buying a McLaren with a golden hood
What are you, poor?

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>>58598158
This is the only /g/ approved master race car.

>Can buy slightly old and used for just over $30k
>Easily looks over 3x it's price

HOW CAN OTHER CARS COMPETE?

>buy a used gf
>she's mostly water and a few common elements

>Buy a house
>It's LITERALLY just cement, bricks, wood and furnishings

>Buy keyboard
>It's LITERALLY just pieces of plastic on another piece of plastic

>>58598177
>>58598196
>>58598226
wtf..... WTF

>>58598177
>tfw taking introductory chemistry
SON OF A BITCH
I CAN JUST MAKE A GF
GOD DAMN TRICKY JEWS!

>Buy burgers
>It's literally just pieces of an animal that was killed, that I could have raised on my own

WTF I HATE TRADE NOW

>>58596482
makes you glad you are not in freedomland

>>58596820
this.
personally I think modern car industry is a scam riding on old glory of being progressive and new
they use simple, direct, streamlined processes similar to steel production
humans are slow, it took us 2000 years to refute that small rock and big rock fall at different speeds

>>58598226
they got arm cpus in them these days

>>58598676
well, at least I can shit in a toilet and use toilet paper, pajeet.

>>58596820
>the most complex finished product in human history
> 2 x 2 inch metal blob

Can we at least make a pyramid out of them or something

>>58594565
Are you retarded?

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>>58594565
you are retarded OP

btw, how much does average human costs, when I look at the composition, it would cost about three-fiddy.

>>58597610
silicon, silicone is an entirely different material

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>>58598906
if only it was as easy to make a person as it was a cpu

>>58594637
What about accounting for mass production? I'm not saying they should cost just a few bucks, but I do wonder if they're over-charging. Hard drives are getting cheaper...Or is my logic still flawed in some form?

>>58596865
Geezer.

>>58598997
per-unit raw cost probably isn't that high
but they need to cover the (very high) cost of the machines needed to make them, and the research and design to actually come up with something to make in the first place
while i don't doubt they make a reasonable profit off of it, i seriously doubt selling cpus for a few dollars is a sustainable idea

>>58594565
Why are those metals even worth anything? they are just from rocks in the ground.

>>58598997
>Hard drives are getting cheaper
while there are some similarities in advancements to manufacturing, they're still very different to cpus

>>58599036
if i paid for shipping, could you send me 10 tons of rocks?
oh, you want to be paid for the time and cost of operating the machinery to obtain such material in a reasonable time as well? na, they're just rocks in the ground, after all

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>>58599013
>i seriously doubt selling cpus for a few dollars is a sustainable idea

>>58594565
>1,000,000$ worth of R&D

>>58599056
i was only considering high end desktop/server cpus, but fair enough, i didn't specify that
i'm sure you get the idea, though

>>58598119
>Cyrix
Funny thing is, Cyrix 8x66 wasn't "licensed" product, it was entirely backwards engineered and they won lawsuit again Intel because they didn't use any of Intels patents.

>>58599036
the cost of raw materials is based on their rarity and difficulty of obtaining

if anyone could dig up a kilo of gold in a day with a spade, it wouldn't be worth nearly as much as it is

>>58598994
its not rocket science :^)

>>58599114
no, it's harder

>>58599120
Rocket surgery?

>>58599127
Nuclear bionics.

>>58594565

OP you're a moran.

There is about 10mg of precious metals in every CPU, or about 3.50. Then base metals are about 1 cent. Embedded in the silicon is gold, platinum group, and silver in differing amounts. Then the contacts also have gold and not just in microthin amounts but higher rates for the higher bus rates.

>>58599052
Go dig them up yourself if you want it, I am not a mine

>>58594565
>a Pizza costs $0.20 in the making, yet I pay $12 for one
Are Pizza places jewing us out?

>>58594565

In the fabrication process Iridium must be used to make the Silicon wafers. Iridium is one of the rarest elements on earth and in the solar system.

Each CPU also requires several thousand watts per CPU in an industrial production setting, and all the parts and equipment to make the parts requires transportation networks that span the entire globe.

Its not cheap. The only way Intel can make this system pay for itself is by selling new CPU's at hundreds of dollars.

>>58597272
A lot of the neets on have 2000+ dollar builds. Just look at the bsg.

>>58599120
>Implying
>Making a clusterfuck of binary transistor logic
>more complex than actual technology of making rockets and actually making them work

You obese aiutists have no fucking idea how complex actual technology actually is.
t.aerospace engineer

>>58599036
>Why are those metals even worth anything? they are just from rocks in the ground.

Because there's scarcity and demand for them.

Because the fab facilities cost billions of dollars to construct and a single error anywhere in construction can result in massive delays in production and wastes of money.

>>58599180
All bought from good boy points 2bh

>>58599176
Yes, protest high pizza prices and protest low minimal wage.

Just to confuse the fuck out of them.

>>58594703
to get just one processor is pointless..

the extraction process would be way too expensive..

to have like 50+ processors.. you could make a profit.

>>58599147
>Embedded in the silicon is gold, platinum group, and silver in differing amounts
kek'd. there's traces of those elements in there. none of the doping atoms are Pt, Au or Ag.

doping elements are mostly Ga, As, B, Al, etc.

if you tried to extract Au/Ag/Pt out of actual silicon chips (not pins or interconnects), you'd be better off just digging in a random spot in the earth... or just extracting from sea water since there's 100x more gold in there.

>>58595290
>/pol/
>rich white businessmen
wtf did I just read?

>>58594637
And obviously the research that has gone into it. Literally millions of hours paid

>>58594565
You pay for research and manufacturing technologies.

>>58597384
Well to be fair, Intel have next to no competition because the entry costs are immense, and Intel profits greatly from that.

>>58594565
lack of competition

>>58594962
So how else are they going to get that money if not by including it in the CPU price?

>>58595194
Because the gains of a child working a few years earlier are miniscule compared to the gains of educating and training that child.

>>58594975
Why is Jmantime's name censored?

Do you know how much a foundry costs?

>>58599807
do you know what sunk cost is?

>>58599819
Yes, and that cost still needs to be recovered. Not that I'm saying that the price of CPUs isn't without a fair markup, but the precision one needs to make a 14nm gate width CPU is astonishing. You also need to consider that yields for CPUs are quite low as well, and usually, any defect will render the CPU unusable.

>>58598110
IMO you are generally getting your money's worth out of the land. Most houses are old and shitty in my state. If I had the money I'd want to build a fresh one anyway. Thinking of moving into the woods and doing so.

>>58594565
RnD, you stupid retard.
If it's so easy to make something so useful with these things and go and make your own CPU, then sell it.

Why do you faggots still reply to this meme OP

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>>58599807
>>58599738
>>58599868
All right all you Intel defenders, explain to me this shit. It's the same fucking piece of silicon yet they are all priced differently. All they do is enable some features/cores if you pay them extra shekels. Sometimes you can just enter a fucking code.

How the fuck can you people defend these CPU companies when they're clearly jewing everyone.

>all of these people replying R&D

It's the fucking cleanrooms you idiots. R&D is a small part of where the cost comes from, most of it is from maintaining a super-ultra-precise fabrication process.

>>58599891
Explain what? Marketing?
Are you underaged, you little spoiled shit?
Go make your own product and sell it in whatever way to want.
You don't need to buy Intel CPUs if you don't like this company. Hell, you don't even need to buy any CPUs at all. Just use a pencil and a piece of paper.

>>58595457
You do not understand how sunk costs are considered. When you are investing into R&D, you are investing. Investing costs money, so companies create a pricing arrangement which would satisfy the initial costs. R&D =/= sunk costs, and if you think otherwise I implore you to waste your money giving your tech away at a loss to economically illiterate fools like yourself. If you had investors, would would be sued for break of fiduciary responsibility. You'll be living under a dock somewhere in southern Asia within the year.

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everybody who complains about stuff like this is per definition a manchild

if you really were convinced that something should be cheaper (and sustainably so), why don't you build a company that produces and sells the item in question cheaper?

Oh wait - you can't?
Then shut up and pay the price (or don't - nobody forces you to buy things btw.)

>>58594565
>it takes millions of dollars to make software that just 1/100 of a penny worth of electrons.

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>>58595182
>no true scotsman

>>58595675
You're the dumb nigger. He's talking about the sunk cost fallacy, not sunk cost.

Dumb fucking nigger.

>>58596531
It's worth doing it in India for example where they had huge e-dumps. I would have been trash diving all day long for gold, lol.

>haircut costs 8$
> costs the barber 0.0000001 cent to run the razor

its da jooz you guys

>>58595157
that was his point m8

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>>58596482
>And not to mention that they reshuffle questions and change variables every year so you can't use old versions of books.
what
the
actual
fuck

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>not even material
yet it sells for ~$50

How do they get away with it, /v/?

>>58594565
4 pentium pro chips = 1 gram of gold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OKTgdXbcEM

>>58600504
currently: $38.90/gram
4 pentium pro processors (scrap) = $40
which = $10 each
yes

>>58599036
GOLD.

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>>58594596
Bought for a bag of rice from african warlords

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>>58600521
>>58600504
KEK. So you basically make NEGATIVE DOLLARS since you're wasting not only chemicals but also your time.

you can't fuckign make money extracting gold from CPUs and electronics. Unless you can get all for free... but even then, you won't make much.

that's why all those 3rd word shitskins who scavenge huge electronics dumps and get all the raw components for free, still can't make enough to move out of those dumps into cities.

>>58598226
This is why it costs $6,99 at local BestBuy.

>>58600607
shipping probably costs more than the plastic and metal springs/latches inside of those keyboards.

>>58597391

You did. Welcome to the real world. WW2 was inevitable and Germany is not to blame.

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>>58600504

If they were free or you could get them in large quantities for under $5 each, you could make profit. Otherwise, it's a waste of time.

>>58600781
you don't say, negro

>>58594962
Who do you propose pays for it?

>>58594565
>5 Million in electron scanning microscopes
>5 Million in electricity bill
>5 Million in paying employees
You think production is free?

>>58600840
>Who do you propose pays for it?
suckers.

I buy used CPUs brah. 1-2 year old shit is good enough for me and it's at a fraction of cost. let all the retards subsidize CPU production.

>>58595290
Please go back to Tumblr.

>>58600563
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohrrE1rjzLo

>>58594565
Make them yourself then, like that Muslim boy does.

>>58595337
>>58595337
this, and I say this as a commie

>>58595265
yo be fair... apple isn't selling smartphones with high res screens anymore, lel

>>58600903
>it's OK if we do it, it's bad if the chinese/russians/irani do it!!!
western way of thought

>>58594565
It's not about the value of the mineral going into the product. It's the man hours spent on R&D, not only for the actual chip but the manufacturing process for the chip, the logic in the microcode. The legal bullshit in regards to protecting their work from being stolen. Also shipping stuff all over the world is not inconsequential. Also the gates make use of rare earth minerals only found in conflict zones or China to make those chips so tiny compared to the shitty homemade 4bit 2mhz processors that take up so much space.

>>58594904
>I don't understand what bait is

You are the dumbass.

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>>58599941
Frankly, I'm also sick of all these goyi- I mean little brats complaining about our- i mean Intel's stranglehold in the PC marketplace

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>>58594565
You're not paying for the material cost, you're paying for engineering cost and research and development.
People think everything should be based on material cost.

>>58601453

then start a company to build a different type

>>58601453
Again, you stupid little shit.
If you think RnD costs doesn't matter then go, make your own CPU and sell it. Get money, fuck bitches, live like a king.
Or just shut the fuck up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm67wbB5GmI

>Costs $3,000,000,000 to make
>they sell for $300
How do they even make money?

>>58600950
>western way of thought
Well the problem is not that you do it. It's that you're bad people and you do it for bad reasons.

>>58601604
I think the goyim know. They're on to us...

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cpus need lots and lots of diamond oscilators to tune their frequency
thats where the pRices comes from

>>58594565
>an entire thread of people forgetting that companies will charge what the market will bear.

Oh, and there's a few companies that would like to have a word with your assertion that everyone copied the iPhone. Google for two seconds and you'll see that shit wasn't apple's "invention".

>>58594565
Buy the materials and make it yourself then, you dumb fuck.

>>58594565
R&D, 10000+ employees' salaries, distribution, testing etc.

>>58597563
But I'm not buying the first bottle, anon. You can go buy the very first one if you like.

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>>58598168
>not the Tesla Model S

Do you even tech? Internal combustion engines are deprecated, anon!

>>58594890

The people who are designing the chips are not fucking starving

neither are the people in the fabs

>>58594873

It's hilarious

People see gold plating and all they can think is "holy shit its made of gold!!!!!"

>>58601633
oh yeah, that comes from the moral reserve of the world

>>58594565
>2017
>not spending a penny on materials and just building your own cpu

ishygddt

>>58603687

>The people who are designing the chips are not fucking starving

Well, not today, thanks to socialism.

Back in the pure capitalism days, factory workers WERE starving.

I'm sure it's been said in the thread already but I'm not gonna try to find it, but.

Make your own processor, you apparently know the materials, go buy them and make one, I'll wait.

It's not like it's the single most complex technological process ever created by man, save for maybe the hadron collider.

>>58594565
>not taking into account the YEARS of research.
>Pretending the material costs are the primary costs of a CPU
If it's so cheap, develop and manufacture yours you fucking idiot dick face.

>>58595002
Lol. No one said they aren't overpriced you dumbass piece of shit commie transgendered feminist scum.
It's simply not true that you can price an item based solely on material costs.

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>>58604875
>you can't just force gorporations to be fair to customers!
That's where you're wrong, kiddo!

>>58594565
welcome to modern economics where wages and productionfacilities are far more expensive than raw material that is used for the production of goods you dumb nigger.

>>58604875
so you're against consumer protections? you want to give the power to corporations to have complete monopolies and charge you whatever they want?

ps: you're a fucking idiot if you think this has anything to do with capitalism.

>>58604851
Fuck off, why should I have to pay their research budget? That's what their stocks are for.

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>>58594565
why don't you just buy these materials yourself and make it?

>>58595048
pollock was a drunk
everyone says a genius
you can see anything in a great deal of random static also

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>>58596531
>I bought a lot of RAM the guy wanted $50 I gave him $40
This guy

>>58605876
jew got jewed

>processed materials cost more than unprocessed raw materials

WHAT IS THIS WORLD

>>58599120
>>58598994
How come 3rd world shitskins with a tenuous grasp of arithmetic do it every day?

>>58594565
test

>>58594565
>a clusterfuck of binary transistor logic
so even a aerospace engineer cant understand it, must be hard to do

seriously modern cpu design and manufacturing is so ridiculously complex its not even funny

>>58594565
And dozens of ultra high-tech machines used to produce it.

That said the Jews probably are still running about >$200 raw profit per chip.

>pay for internet
>its literally just electrons

>>58594565
What about the billion dollar factory?

>>58594565
ill buy you the materials and you make us one each senpai

>>58594565
The technology behind it and how you can't do it yourself??

>>58606406
>That said the Jews probably are still running about >$200 raw profit per chip.
Is that before or after R&D?

>>58607126
It is even after the money the pay to sacrifice children to some elder God.

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>>58598128

>>58607154
If the profit margin is so high, why aren't there more semiconductor firms around anymore?

I thought they all died becuase they couldn't keep up

>>58594565
Oy vey

>>58607292
>why aren't there more semiconductor firms around anymore?
There are a lot of semiconductor companies around.
Few of them make consumer CPUs though.

But Intel's children sacrifices are very successful.

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>>58607217
guess where Intel makes chips?

>>58606205
this.

And the production processes are just insane, we're talking things like temperature need to be controlled to millionths of a degree.

>>58600683
Kill yourself.

>>58596960
I *did* say 10k and upward, pretty open ended, but the cheapest part of the assembly line probs costs around this much, like the pcb etcher or something. Good fortunes fellow negro.

>>58607677
>controlled to millionths of a degree
wat? u serious? citation please!

you're just talking out of your ass. there's no processes that require this kind of precision and there's no temperature control unit that can even come close to this kind of precision.

>>58594565
>research and development
>engineers

We can't all work for free, like a communist.

>>58594565
Why don't you make your own then ?

>>58596531
>destroying part of the history of computers for a small profit
fucking hell

because its costs billions to design and develop and they have to pay the people who develop it to keep improving on it which isnt cheap BTW

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>>58600027
>What, you don't have millions of dollars worth of capital to start up a business!? then you have no right being upset poorfag!

Jews everyone.

>>58610217
manchild confirmed

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>>58594565
Those chips take over 5 years each to design and manufacture. Thousands of people work to design them, and thousands more move and process the raw materials. They have to be made using machinery that's accurate within 2nm in an environment that is 100x more sterile than the cleanest hospital operating room. It's mind blowing that they're as cheap as they are, but leave it to NEETs on /g/ to bitch about the cost.

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>>58610253
>

Here's your (You)

>>58610317
>ohio is a frog

ohio is worst state it should be lower than the one bald dude

>>58610340
>the one bald dude
That's Wojak, you newfag.

>>58610385
i dont know their names they just started popping up randomly one day i didnt care enough to figure anything out

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>>58610385
I would have told him that myself, but I thought he was being ironic. That's what I assume half the shitposts on 4chan are.

>>58610427
You have to go back.

>>58610445
They aren't ironic. The fucking burger elections have exposed us. This board got bad a couple years ago with Macs and graphics cards but now we have "how do I unlock this stolen phone" threads every day.

>>58610502
>go back

to where its not my fault new memes happened and i didnt care to learn about them

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>>58610502
>how do I unlock this stolen phone
>Give it back Jamal

Love this, but it doesn't help that /g/ has no mods. Literal nudity was up for 12 hours and 8 hours respectively. I was blown away. If they take that long to remove nudity on a blue board, who knows what else they are shirking off.

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>>58610520
>what is reverse image search
>what is nourmeam
At least some normies try. You're just the worst of the worst.

>>58610569
>here prior to something starting
>new thing comes along
>dont bother learning about it

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>>58610600
Like I said, low-energy.

>>58610520
You can't even create a coherent sentence. You need to go anywhere that isn't here.

>>58610549
>/g/ has no mods
>who knows what else they are shirking off

This. But there are no other chan sites that are as active as 4chan. Lainchan comes close but is still too slow for my liking.

>>58610600
>new thing
Pepe and Wojak have been around for ages. They only new thing here is (You).

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>>58610658
pepe used to be this at some point it became depressing as for bald guy he crept up sometime a couple of years ago so i stopped caring

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>>58610658
But there are no other chan sites that are as active as 4chan

But /g/ is slow as fuck. Even during peak hours /g/ is slow compared to the other high activity boards

>>58610600
>don't bother learning about it
BOY, if you weren't a total newfag, you'd have heard their name once before today.

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>>58598997
>Hard drives are getting cheaper

I think your reasoning skills are shot. Hard drives are getting cheaper because they haven't changed much; however, SSD's are expensive as shit because they're new tech.


Processors are getting cheaper too, just look at the pentium pro from X years ago, cheap as dirt. But their predecessors are expensive because they're new tech.


Fucking retarded antifa commie faggot.

>>58610686
Wojak started on Krautchan around 2008 IIRC. I was there. You're pretty fucking new.

>>58610710
I never get responses this quickly on other chans.

>>58610757
>krautchan

i have never and would never visit that place

>>58610766
Probably because you don't know German. Don't worry, they have an international board.

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>>58610757
>I never get responses this quickly on other chans

Other chans yes, but look at places like /v/ /b/ /vg/ /a/ and /k/. Im sure those boards alone get more traffic then /g/.

>>58610779
of course i dont know german why would i learn german? wait a minute is "wojak" an outline of hitler with no mustache or hair?

>>58610794
I'm talking about entirely different sites, not other 4chan boards. /g/ still isn't as slow as other chan sites as a whole.

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>>58610804
>wait a minute is "wojak" an outline of hitler with no mustache or hair?

>>58610801
You're getting pretty fucking cringy, especially when you associate Germany with national socialism and Adolf Hitler. It truly shows how little you know about the culture and history of Germany.

>>58610842
because i dont care about germany its a little shit stain on the bottom of europe full of drunks and retards

>>58610873
>the bottom of europe
Son, have you ever seen a world map?

>>58594745
Everyone deserves a (you)

>>58610896
here's to (You)