It's time /g/uys! Arch Linux vs Gentoo Linux thread. Rules:

install gentoo

no one cares

just trust me and install gentoo

>>58574608
Why do people compare Arch and Gentoo so much, the only thing they have in common is they offer no graphical installation.

>>58574665
True. You cant compare Gentoo and Arch.

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Fedora minimal iso just werks.

Install Solus

>>58574608
You've just broke the first rule by creating the thread

>Gentoo has the superior package manager.
>Gentoo supports mainly OpenRC over Cuck'emD.
>Compiling isn't a problem if your machine was made in the last 10 years.

I guess we have a clear winner.

>>58574856
Good luck compiling chromium on T420 in less than 4 hrs.

>>58574608
They're almost identical, with the only difference being gentoo also having to compile shit upon OS installation. So
>gentoo takes much longer to install
Period. The only noticeable difference.

>>58574896
www-client/google-chrome

>tfw still don't know how to use flags

>>58574608
I use both and prefer gentoo.
also:
>2) write your opinion and do not offend anyone, we are just talking
faggot

>>58574939

But muh botnet meme!

>>58574608
The only thing I've been able to gather is that Arch is le minimal unbloated (just like, say, minimal Debian lmao) and Gentoo users compile for the supposed optimisation.

Otherwise,

Systemd vs no systemd: think very hard on this one.

>>58575046
Gentoo is minimal compared to arch like how arch is minimal compared to Ubuntu.

>>58574695
What faggotry is this? They can replace each other as main desktop OS, surely a wise person would compare them before deciding.

>>58574896
But you sleep 8 hours anyway

You might as well ask, what color is better to write a suicide note in. Black is the standard but red is grim because it is blood colored. Both of these dropout distros are for unique types of dropouts but they are both for dropouts. The reason why you feel you need something like this is because you are trying to fill the gap of having a real career or running your own business. It is over for you before you even started. The quickest way out is not an operating system timesink, you can just rent a gun for $20 from any range. That is the quicker way out.

>>58575148
I wish I'd sleep more than 3 hours a day

>>58575172
Jeez, did you skip breakfast or something?

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>>58575172
>>58575182

>do not offend anyone
kek

>>58574608
Neckbeards vs longer neckbeards thread

>>58575046
>Gentoo users compile for the supposed optimisation.
the reason I use gentoo isn't the optimisation but the customization options with USE flags, slots, masking, overlays and other features of portage.

>>58574608
ganoo pro:
compile tight as fuck for your system and architecture
can update packages without breaking system
good combination of tested and up to date

ganoo cons:
one of the most dificult linux distros to install
requires knowledge about how to set compiler settings
compiling can take a long time


Arch pros:
good docs/wiki
very up to date
rolling release

arch cons:
its the autists distro of choice
updates break the system
bleeding edge

>>58574608
isntall debian

>>58575276
Way to go with proving your own point

>>58575331
install is as simple as reading but you are correct about compiler settings although that is not too difficult to learn

>>58575329
And what do USE flags, slots, masking, overlays, etc do for you?

>>58575836
Just use the defaults, what's there to learn? I don't care about -O3 one fucking bit. The only important things are DEFAULT_EMERGE_OPTS, FEATURUES and MAKEOPTS. Everything else can be autogenerated.

>>58575892
>Just use the defaults, what's there to learn?
sometimes even default flags don't compile

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Has github made the aur irrelevent?

>>58575886
Not him but enabling the package manager (portage) to actually mange packages the way you want and not the way kevin wants you to.

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>>58575331
>updates break the system.

>>58575903
Really? I guess that can happen depending on configuration and what sort of strange program one tries to compile. I only know of the reverse, programs not working properly with anything above -O2.

>>58574608
both are memes

>debian master race

>>58574896
I don't see how compiling from source is an issue if you're downloading stable software that won't have major updates and security flaw discoveries frequently. My world should be as stable as possible

>>58574608
Fuck it, I'll only list forces of both distros here.

Both have a great wiki. The Gentoo handbook is GOAT. Gentoo is bundled without systemd by default, while Archlinux does require it (which is great too for baby's first server).

While Archlinux fades in the background to teach one the pure Unix learning curve with Vim, Emacs, programming languages, etc., Gentoo is great for one to learn how Linux and a compiler work in the details, with USE flags, kernel optimizations, etc.

And they share a common, major weakness: their local communities are dead (so anyone would need to learn English prior to becoming good in computers).

>>58575892
sure you can i never said you have to optimize

>>58575960
I somewhat doubt people use desktop PCs without a browser in this millenium.

>>58575331
>pro
>very up to date
>rolling release

>con
>bleeding edge

Wash me but don't make me wet

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>>58574608
macOS

>>58574856
>compiling isn't a problem
>latest GCC version is
>

~$ pacman -Si gcc | grep Version
Version         : 6.3.1-1

>gentoo still ships 4.9 because many gentoo packages don't compile with anything newer
gentoo has become a meme OS

>>58577990
or you could simply use gcc --version

>>58575910
Github made AUR more easy to maintain

>>58578018
But then nobody knows that I use a superior OS.

solus.org

>>58578032
no one cares and it is already implied what OS you use in your post

>>58578052
>bait thread
>nobody cares
>51 replies

>>58574608
I tried to install gentoo last night but I got frustrated and went back to Arch, mainly because getting it setup with UEFI is a major pain in the ass, and also compiling shit was taking hours and hours.

>>58574896
Eh compiling seamonkey on my T400 took an hour at most

>>58574856
>Gentoo has the superior package manager.
Yes, but also superiorly slow.

>>58575117
>Gentoo is minimal compared to arch
Does Arch require a C compiler and a Python interpreter to be installed by default?

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>>58579522
>Gentoo is minimal compared to arch
So many people repeat this stupid shit.
Gentoo is like the most bloated distro you can fucking install.

>>58579559
what fonts are those?

>>58579559
Nice try, but that's only a (smaller) portage tree and mostly distfiles (and maybe binary pkgs?). Have you tried cleaning up?

eclean-dist -dp

Or just nuke the entire /usr/portage. It won't break.

>>58579522
>>58579559
Minimal in the sense of small binaries due to not compiling every feature that might be of use to anyone you faggots.

>>58579559
>>58579765
also
>he doesn't sync from git

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>>58579559
how did you end up with extra?

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>>58579784
That isn't true either.

ffmpeg is like 2MB on other distros.

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>>58579816
again it seems like you do not optimize for shit

>>58579828
You aren't optimizing anything dude, its still an order of magnitude larger than any of the other big distributions.

>>58579784
In this sense you're correct. Indeed the dependency/feature bloat/creep is much better contained behind USE flags.

>>58579845
then you should show people buy posting screen shots from other distributions

>>58579890
Debian's complete ffmpeg package install uses 2MB.

>>58579816
Because ffmpeg's libraries installed in separate packages in those. And ffmpeg executables depend on them either way.

>>58579902
i still do not see the proof

>>58579845
why do you not show us how big ffmpeg is on an arch install since this is an arch vs gentoo thread

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>>58579925
Isn't my job to educate you.

Here is an enjoyable clip from Fuuka to take your mind off of your rampant autism.

>>58579902
What about all those libav* and other deps?

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>>58579816
wrong

>>58579977
lol i have autism when i am asking for proof for something you stated you must be in highschool since you like making statement and not backing them up

>>58580034
>>58580030
here's your proof senpai, the tripfag is lying scum

>>58580034
You asked for a screenshot from Debian as proof.
Debian installed package sizes are public knowledge look it up yourself.

>>58580006
>libavcodec57
>Uncompressed Size: 13.3 M
I won't bother with the others.

>>58580058
why do you not post it since you were so eager to post the past screen shot

>>58580189
I don't use Debian so I literally couldn't without a huge effort on my part.

Are you daft?

>>58575117
sarma

>>58580221
i should have clarified i was asking for the link which lists the sizes of packages for Debian

>>58574938
>I have never used a linux distro

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>>58580314
packages.debian.org

>>58580369
>>58580068

Are you aware that in your initial argument you didn't factor in dependencies which you should have?

>>58580369
>babby still haven't discovered ffmpeg's libs