/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

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>>58509963
Love you linux-kun!

What do FOSS developers usually do for a living?
The ones not employed by any company to do FOSS development.

Do they work as proprietary software engineers?
Do they contribute to free software only in their spare time as some kind of hobby?

Are there non programmers who contribute to free software?

>>58510016
Eat toe nails.

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>>58510032
this is true, sadly..

Just came here to tell you guys that I'm using Arch Linux, if it matters.

>>58510191

There's a special sticker for you in the AUR.

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>>58509677
>>58509731
help me anons

i fucking hate these yellow boxes

>>58510241

Tried LibreOffice yet? https://itsfoss.com/edit-pdf-files-ubuntu-linux/

On Windows I have TeXstudio and MiKTeX. What can I use on a Debian machine to make sure my documents are the same?

>>58510253
I have, it destroys the formatting of most of the PDFs I use unfortunately.

Thank you though anon

Would I have time to contribute to free software as a researcher physicist?

>>58510392
as someone else going into research, I think you know the answer to that already

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>>58509963
>started with Ubuntu about 2 years ago
>then the great distro hopping began
>finally decided that Antergos is perfect
>many times I can't install stuff from the AUR
>some normal repo apps are fucked up (full of bugs and missing components)
>while it's fast and comfortable, I had to migrate back to Ubuntu
>... which now has even more bugs and video-related problems
>maybe Linux Mint would be a better choice...
>no stamina and patience to continue the distro hopping

Fuck.

Help me get this one. During a class I attended to we used some program on Ubuntu to create and manage virtual networks with virtual machines. The whole thing was about 250 MB and used Java for the interface that set how every VM connected to the network.

No amount of searching the web brought me this program. Do you know of anything that resembles it?

>>58510423
LfS

>>58510423
you have to know what you want, and the best way to do that is by playing with arch or lfs. it can be tedious but once you have the process down in scripts, on paper or whatever then it justwerks.

>>58510016
They do FOSS in their spare time, which is why distributions with paid professionals (Fedora) are much higher quality.

>>58510424
Xen KVM

I'm trying to shrink an md array to 5100GB but the value is overflowing. I'm using debian 8. Using size=max works but I want to shrink it a little so I can add another device that is slightly smaller. I've already shrunk the filesystem.
Anybody know how I can do this?

mdadm --grow /dev/md0 --size=5100G
mdadm: component size of /dev/md0 has been set to 1052770304K
unfreeze

>>58510423

>changing distributions for 2 years
>not figuring out the differences after a week and settling for the one whose core features speak to you the most

What an idiot.

>>58510810
what an asshole

>>58510610
I'm not seeing the part with the GUI for creating bridges

how to upgrade to Debian testing after a fresh install

>>58510795
--size is specified per drive, are you using >5100G disks?

>>58511024
Don't quote me on that, but I think if you set your apt to the testing suite and do a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade it may work

>>58511024
>>58511037
Better yet: why don't you just get the testing ISO and install over?

>>58511042
Because I am to intelligent to do that

>>58511046
Well don't get mad at Debian if go the repo change route and wind up with issues.
The Debian forums have enough people who did that and wound up crying about it.

>>58511036
The disks are 6tb. I have 2 mirrored and I want to make the volume smaller to add a third slightly smaller 6tb drive and convert to raid5.
I think it's hitting some 2tb/32bit limit twice and overflowing, ending up with a size of able 1tb

>>58511069
So it does work? Interesting. I'd suggested without being sure.

I can only imagine what one might go true with it. It was already a pain trying to get a program that required newer dependencies.

Why my laptop doesn't come back from hibernating? I just have to press the power button, right? I'm using fedora 25.

>>58511069
Erm nevermind. I am downloading a testing ISO it turns out

>>58511111

>>58511086
there is a workaround i can think of;
1. copy the contents of the mirror to the new disk
2. destroy the mirror and create a degraded, 2-disk raid5
3. copy the contents back
4. add the new disk to create a 3-disk raid5

this'd take a long time though, i'll have a quick look around to see what the actual issue is

>>58511086
>>58511198
oh, and protip: drives are based on "1K = 1000B", and that's all they guarantee, drives are usually a little bigger than that, but if you use a partition of say, 6,000,000,000B, this will work on any 6TB disk, as that's the guaranteed size

>>58511226
6,000,000,000,000B*

>>58511198
I hadn't thought of that, if I can't get it sorted out I'll probably just do that. I could only find a few posts about this issue and no real solution

>>58511226
I'll keep that in mind when expanding it again so I don't have this problem next time

>>58511285
while it isn't always the case, typically linux tools will recognize suffixes like this;
"K" = 1024B
"KB" = 1000B
"KiB" = 1024B

>>58511285
-- oh, and just in case you didn't know, make sure you resize the filesystem on the raid to something under the size you're shrinking the raid by!
mdadm will not account for what is on it when resizing, if you shrink it, the end of the md disk will just disappear!

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is it a meme to start doing comp sci and switch to linux

what is the advantage?

>>58511285
from what i've seen, the --size argument seems to be specifically in KiB's, so to get 5100G, you'd need to specify "--size=5347737600"

>>58511370
That's what I tried first but I got the same result.
I only tried specifying in G because that's what I had to do when resizing the filesystem.
I got an error message saying the value exceeded 32 bits otherwise

>>58510810
>replying to a post
>being a gigantic faggot

What an idiot.

>>58511385
still looking

just though of a faster workaround
1. degrade the mirror so it's a single disk
2. create a degraded 2-disk raid5 with one of the old and the new disk
3. copy the contents over
4. destroy the "mirror" and add it to the raid5

>>58511385
did you create the raid in a 64bit system, and are now on a 32bit one?
it seems like something is different between when you made it and now

are you use a reasonably recent kernel/mdadm?

>>58511361
Learning shit in general is always good.
My life was actually shit before i started using nix.
1 year of researching, attending user groups, trashing vms, servers, etc, later and now i actually have job opprotunities. Paying money i thought you had to have a degree to have.
I really can't think of any disadvantages, even if you just try it once. Wether you love it, hate it, you're still better off for it.

>>58511456
I created in the same 64bit install I'm using now, I've already upgraded the system trying to fix this
I'm running 3.16.7, mdadm 3.3.2 - 21st August 2014. That's the latest available in debian stable

Been distro hopping so much I think my SSD is going to fail

Gentoo is taking FUCKING forever to install on my laptop. Xorg is fucking huge! KDE is a nightmare help!

>>58511637
install debian

>>58511531
>3.16.7, mdadm 3.3.2
pretty old, but it doesn't make sense that you'd be able to create it at that size but not shrink it
i've done a bunch of stuff with mdadm, but haven't had to shrink the component size before

>>58511637
distcc

>>58511650
No, it's shite

>>58511637
Not speaking from experience but doesn't gentoo have to compile stuff, so if you have older technology it'll take a while anyways right?

Would actually like to know this, as this is what i've been told.

>>58511685
yes, while there are some binary packages available on gentoo, typically packages are sources, and are compiled on install

>decide to give opensuse a shot
>4 gig download

what the fuck are they including in this monstrous iso? I can't afford that many megabites on a single distro I might not even like.

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>>58510241
Reposting in this thread:

What's a pdf annotation program for linux that lets me add inline text annotations without a box around them?

I used okular but the box is un-resizable, and sometimes is smaller than the amount of text, so I have to click it to show the full annotation.

Pic related is the type of annotation I want, what PDF reader can do this in linux well? I used to use Foxit for this on windows.

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>>58511717
Here is an example of Okular annotations, "acid" is cut off to "aci" and the textboxes have backgrounds, i want them to be transparent

>>58511710
net installs senpai

>>58511728
What did he mean by this?

>>58511717
GNU/Linux*

>>58511826
net installs senpai

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>>58511728
is net install basically a minimal install? Either way my net is so slow it would take multiple days to do that.

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>>58511861

>>58511991
A netinstall starts with the bare minimum amounts of packages needed to get your PC online. Once online, the remaining packages needed to get you a complete system is downloaded from the 'net.

Depending on the distribution of choice, a netinstall could technically be no different from a regular installation, aside from starting with up-to-date packages, but usually net installs do offer you the choice to only install the packages you want.

But well, it'd require a net connection either way, so you'd likely be better off downloading the 4GB iso using a public net somewhere.

>>58510286
TeXstudio and TeXlive
TeXstudio is cross-platform. Not sure if it's in apt, but you could just compile it if it isn't.

What do you mean with your documents staying the same, though? The document should look more or less the same regardless of your LaTeX distribution.

Also, I used TeXstudio but have recently switched to Emacs evil-mode with AUCTeX, and I can highly recommend it.

>>58511024
Replace "jessie" with "stretch" in /etc/apt/something something sources.list

Make sure you know how to log into root from the terminal, because when you do apt-get dist-upgrade, it'll tell you to apt autoremove, and this may remove kdm (if you're using KDE)

It's easy to just apt-get install kdm afterwards tho

Most secure and reliable VNC server for Linux?

>>58511361
First of all, GNU/Linux*
Second, I do something completely unrelated to computers (nanoscience) and thus shouldn't conceivably have need of GNU/Linux that much, but using it has made me so much more comfy in daily use.
If you enjoy using your keyboard over your mouse, I can't imagine ever wanting to stick to Windows.
Everything feels faster, more intuitive and more reliable now. I don't bang my head against a wall wondering why something doesn't work. I look it up and apply what I learn, because there is no obfuscation.

I don't miss any software from Windows. For photo editing I have Krita, Inkscape, GIMP. For video stuff I have ffmpeg. I still have most of my games (I play more indie games than AAA stuff), and I have way less issues with drivers (no seriously, just plug in my PS3 controller and be done, no fiddling with SCP).

Software updates are a breeze, I don't have to do any maintenance, cron is amazing, I can make everything look better and I have way less eye strain (I'm photophobic due to some medication I take (not autism), so dark themes are incredibly helpful for me)

I can't think of a single advantage Windows has, honestly. Saying that it's easy to use is like claiming Notepad is better than vim or emacs because it's simpler. Yeah you'll stumble in either of the two latter editors for a while, but once you learn (and it doesn't take long), you'll feel disgusted at your old self.

It's still a complete meme though, real talk.

>>58512073
How secure does it need to be? What's wrong with good ol' tigerVNC?

>>58512142
Just secure enough for Chong or Vlad not to hack my Ubungo desktop and steal my holiday photos.

>>58512073
vnc isn't secure, tunnel it over ssh

ssh user@server -L5990:localhost:5900
vncviewer localhost:5990

>youtube-dl being a dick
>check version
>2106.02.22


ubuntu LTS not even once.

>>58509963
How do I make a live USB from Windows on a USB stick with an EXT4 file system?
Cygwin's dd takes forever.

>>58512413
win32diskimager

>>58512413
With a block size of 4MB, it'll take way less.

>>58512397
>2106.02.22
shit man thats way newer than what i got!

>>58512465
Hehe

>>58512465
you know what i meant smart guy better watch that mouth of your before i fill it up with my butt.

>>58512397
youtube-dl has like no dependencies what so ever though. You can just grab the latest version and drop it in /usr/local/bin without fear of missing any deps, or even just do "sudo youtube-dl -U" to temporarily update the local version until the repos update.

>>58510583
>fedora
>higher quality
comparing it to what? solus?

Netctl and wifi-menu can suck a huge fat one.
>generates hyphenated profile by default
>system doesn't like hyphens. Renames your files
>all wifi profiles fails always.

Network manager and nmtui just werks. :^)

>>58510016
>What do FOSS developers usually do for a living?
Depends on their project success. It goes kind of in tiers
1. Several dozen companies need your software so your day job is just writing FOSS living off donations
2. You work at a company that maintains a FOSS project for it's internal usage/sale.
3. You do FOSS work in your spare time, but get donations/free vacations (conference speaking trips).
4. You do FOSS in your spare time, evenings and weekends.

Are there non programmers who contribute to free software?
The book keeping/documentation side. But most of these people are developers secondarily so not really. There are FOSS lawyers, but nobody likes laywer.

>>58513219
Sounds like slave work.

>>58513249
All work where your excess value is stolen from you is slave labor

>>58513266
"excess" value is nebulous at best

If you're doing work and getting paid for it, you're generating more value than you're getting paid for the work, or else you'd figuratively be a drain

>>58509963
should I install Funtoo or Gentoo?
I know funtoo is more up to date, but if I'm going to waste my time with a source based distro, I might as well go full autism

Email clients that don't suck?

>>58513589
I think funtoo is easier to start with

>>58513589
only some of funtoo's programs are more up to date. funtoo focuses on being more stable than gentoo
>>58513707
anything as long as you don't install it on a vacuum.

>>58513730
how so?
>>58513736
>more stable

>>58513787
>more stable
if you don't believe me, its on funtoo.org

>>58513707
>>58513736
I feel like using gmail is completely retarded because of the botnet, but what alternatives are there even if you wanna use an e-mail client

I can't really set up a mail server, I don't have the patience to deal with Russian skiddies

>>58513809
How can a rolling release be more or less stable than another?

You control the program when you are writing it. You are controlled by the program when you are using it.

>>58513873
it isn't bleeding edge

When I use my microphone the system always boost the sound of the mic and that create distortions that annoys everyone I talk to.
I found in the archwiki this https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Troubleshooting#Microphone_distorted_due_to_automatic_adjustment
but it didn't worked.

Any idea ?

>>58513589
Just go with Gentoo and ~amd64 (testing) for the whole system

>>58513887
Is gentoo bleeding edge? because that would be a pro to me
I'm running a laptop, not a server, so if shit breaks it's not the end of the world

>>58513922
no

>>58513873
Funtoo won't update things that can cause breakage as often. also rolling release doesn't mean unstable in the same way old doesn't mean stable.

>>58510423
Just use Debian Sid?

How do I install pacman on Ubuntu? Right now I think I'm using something called altitude or something but my friend says that all the professional linux users/programmers use pacman, and it looks pretty good. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find a way to install it on my computer, is there a guide online that I can follow or something? Thanks

>>58514200
install gentoo

>>58514200
you don't wanna do that. use apt/dpkg. if you switch to arch, use pacman.

So what exactly do I need to backup so I can move my current setup to another system? I have some stuff from /etc/, /var/, and ~/, but don't know what else would I need.

>>58511560
Installed Debian 11 times last night before I got it right. Get on my level dork

>>58511560
>tfw installed solus
>install FreeBSD a dozen times
>about to install gentoo
RIP laptop

>>58513187
Debian, Arch, slack etc

>>58514364
top heh

Hello /g/,

I just installed gentoo without any problems. Right now it's just a plain ol' command line but i want to use it for everyday needs. How could i achieve that on gentoo? Do i need to install a desktop environment?

Thanks!

>>58513892
nvm, I didn't understood why it did that only with discord. I guess this piece of software is really a piece of shit.

>>58514454
install gentoo

>>58512044
>The document should look more or less the same regardless of your LaTeX distribution.
That's what I was afraid of. I want it to be exactly the same.

I'm installing TeX Live right now, I'll see if it'll just work.

>Also, I used TeXstudio but have recently switched to Emacs evil-mode with AUCTeX, and I can highly recommend it.

I'm more of a Vim guy, but thanks for the suggestion.

>>58512465
>mfw 2014.08.05
>mfw Jessie

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So my Ubuntu install is getting bloated (i'm a noob and have no clue on cleaning packages on Linux) it might be time to purge and start over fresh. Whats the smartest way to do this? to keep files and maybe settings etc?

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>>58514486
>>mfw 2014.08.05
>>mfw Jessie

>>58514490
GNU/Linux*

Tried to debloat it manually? You could look through your package list and purge what you don't need. If you aren't sure what a specific package does, look it up and learn something.

More cleanups you can do: apt-get autoclean to remove cached packages and you could remove all kernels except the current one.

No cleanup? Most of your configs are in ~ and ~/.config. If you're going to switch distros alot, you should think about managing your dotfiles with a version control solution and give /home it's own partition.

should I install arch or debian?

>>58514603
appreciated

>>58514623
gentoo

When does kernel 4.9 become next LTS?

>>58514623
Arch is 'fun' but a pain in the ass
Debian is stable but 'boring'
The correct answer is installing gentoo.

>>58514603
>>58514490
get synaptic, comfy to clean up debian based shit
theres also "bleachbit", something like wendys ccleaner

>>58514665
gentoo is a meme

>>58514759
only if you don't install it

>>58514759
Spoken like someone who's never installed gentoo

>>58514759
A sexy meme

Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda5       8.2G  7.9G     0 100% /
udev             10M     0   10M   0% /dev
tmpfs           389M  5.9M  383M   2% /run
tmpfs           971M  1.4M  970M   1% /dev/shm
tmpfs           5.0M  4.0K  5.0M   1% /run/lock
tmpfs           971M     0  971M   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
/dev/sda10       83G   25G   54G  32% /home
/dev/sda9       3.7G   50M  3.4G   2% /tmp
/dev/sda6       1.9G   41M  1.7G   3% /boot
/dev/sda7       3.7G  1.2G  2.3G  35% /var
tmpfs           195M  8.0K  195M   1% /run/user/1000

What do I do?

>>58515578
Be more vague

>>58515623
Dammit.

My / mount point is full. I'm thinking of ways to increase its size without having to reinstall everything.

>>58515641
use gparted to attempt to extend
If not
Delete orphans
Delete she you dont use
use ncdu to find culprits

>>58515655
Could I shrink /home and make a partition with, say, 16 GB mounted on /usr?

>>58515694
You dont need all of these partitions
I dont know your needs so make home whatever you want

you just need:
/boot
/
/home

everything else is a legacy of the past.

trying out antergos with openbox, could someone point me in the right direction where to get started? this is too much for me at once

>>58515723
I see. Can I do that now without having to reinstall?

Is xubuntu still the best if I want to try switching from windows?

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Mint MATE or Ubuntu MATE?

I mainly use Mint but I've heard Ubuntu MATE is god-tier now.

>>58515749
Yes
boot a live usb and move everything to the correct places and remove fstab entries

>>58515758
>flash player

It's 2017 m80

>>58515773
Bare with me for a second, as I'm a bit new to this.

I read the fstab man page and saw how the /etc/fstab was shaped.

If I copy the whole /home to an external drive, make my through the partitions, create a new /home partition, set its UUID correctly in the fstab file, then restore the backup it's going to be like nothing had happened?

>>58515900
yep

>>58515758
Ubuntu MATE is definitely the best Ubuntu fork there is. Especially with Cupertino layout.

>>58515900
You already have /home mounted on /dev/sda10.


Boot a live usb and mv the contents of /var somewhere safe.Delete sda9 sda7 and then extend /. Then simply make /var on the sda5 and move the contents back over to sda5.Open fstab and remove the /tmp and /var mount point.

Does gentoo get viruses?

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>>58509963
why does my burningfox have this weird "opaque" thing on the bottom of personnas? can I remove it?

>>58515936
>>58515980
But how can I extend / if sda7 and sda9 are not contiguous?

>>58516086
*extend sda5.
Also, sda6, /boot is right after sda5 on the HDD.

>>58516086
you might need to move something
take a screenshot of gparted

>>58516108
Dammit, I can't install gparted. Will try with the live usb at home

>>58515578
rm -rf /
Should solve all your problems.

>>58516108
From what I remember, it's sda5 (/), sda6 (/boot), sda7 (/var), sda8 (swap), sda9 (/tmp), and sda10 (/home) on the HDD.

If I'm extra careful, I can rearrange all that into /boot / /home from the live usb, right?

>>58516182
E.g.:
>backup everything
>recreate partitions
>edit fstab
>restore backup

Will moving /boot around mess with grub and my dual boot settings?

What was that software that removes every spec of data from a drive, even partitions that can't be seen by cfdisk or gpart

>>58516308
dd

One thing I don't really understand about Linux is the way drivers work. From what I understand, drivers are integrated into the kernel? So when the kernel is updated, new devices are supported?

Can anybody elaborate?

>>58516149

lol

>>58516405
Some drivers,modules, are included in the kernel,other modules are loaded third party as modules and when you need the modules they are loaded on the spot.

>>58516405

Older drivers or more common open source drivers will be integrated into the kernel. This is usually for the most basic stuff like mice, keyboards, wifi cards (except ones with the Broadcom chipset because their drivers are proprietary).

You will still need to download the drivers for your graphics card or sound card as those will not be integrated.

It's almost the same thing Windows does where you can just plug a device in and have it working.

Also this might give you some more insight on the matter: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/47208/what-is-the-difference-between-kernel-drivers-and-kernel-modules

>>58510302

Hey PDF anon, there is a free version of Master PDF Editor available here: https://code-industry.net/masterpdfeditor/

Will that help with your PDF troubles?

>>58516504

>sound card
5 computers and never had to download anything for sound.

>>58516556

For on-board sound or for an actual sound card as well?

>>58516562

By actual sound card, I mean one you plug into a slot on your motherboard not the RealTek shit.

>>58516364
I said drive, not partition

>>58516606
man dd

whats the point of dd, when there is cp? even cat could do the job, right

>>58516667

>man cat

CAT(1) User Commands CAT(1)

NAME
cat - concatenate files and print on the standard output

SYNOPSIS
cat [OPTION]... [FILE]...

DESCRIPTION
Concatenate FILE(s) to standard output.

With no FILE, or when FILE is -, read standard input.


Somehow I doubt cat can do what dd does...

>>58516621
I don't see how that will get me back 20GB that can't be seen by any OS
I was distro hopping previously, if that would do anything

Hey guys
I have an Asus N61 laptop with linux mint, in my house's wifi it works fine but at my office the connections is slow as hell.

i've disabled ipv6 but it's still slow. any help?

>>58516849
>removes every spec of data
Perhaps you may be more specific in what you are attempting to do.

At what point did it "disappear" and what specifically were you doing when you noticed it

>>58516849

Try G-Parted to see what's up with your partitions: http://gparted.org/livecd.php

>>58516734
dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/null
cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null

>>58516947
Installed FreeBSD over top solus

>>58516667
dd is low level and copies raw data.

if you cp a file to a storage device (be it a USB device), cp will find the closest unused data block/range and will write to it.

if you dd a file to the same storage device it will write it to the first writable place, overwriting filesystem data and such

>>58517033
The difference between dd, cp and cat is:
- one creates a copy
- one creates a new file
So when you cp foo bar, you have the same permissions and stats, while cat foo > bar creates a new file.

>>58517095
>>58517099
makes both sense, thanks

>>58517033
The purpose of cat is to write to stdout.

cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null

This command tells the computer "print content of file /dev/urandom to stdout, THEN redirect stdout to file /dev/null.

Ok faggots, I just got this clever idea, but I'm actually not sure if it's genious or stupid.

I usually alway have aliases stuff like rm, mv and cp with the -i/-I and -v flags, but that could basically end up apocalyptic on a system without these aliases, so is it better to use completly new aliases like, whatever, mymv, myrmi, mycp or something like that?

Am I being a pussy, paranoid or intelligent? Thoughts welcome...

>>58517217
Yes

>>58517199
The purpose of cat is to con(cat)enate.
The view file contents use more or less.

What's the right protocol to use to connect to my Linux machine with my Android? VNC? VNC over SSH? SPICE? RDP? Too many choices.

Fedorafags:

How easy is it to create an updated version of a package on your own in case you use git/nightly builds of a package for testing?

>>58517302
Not supported on Fedora.

>>58517217
Here's my solution: No aliases; rm -i * isn't that hard to write.

>>58517284
GNU/Linux*

>>58517217
Why would it end up apocalyptic?

-i flag makes your system a lot safer, since it will ask for confirmation unless you pass the -f argument, especially with rm

-v does absolutely nothing

It's your computer, aliases are highly personal things, there's not a single convention of old unix greybeards telling you how it should be done.
I for example find "mycp" and "mymv" silly cause they're commands you use so much you develop muscle memory for them.

So in the future you'll sit in front of someone else's unix box and start typing mymv and mycp and wonder why the fuck doesn't it work.

But whatever floats your boat man, if it will make you feel more secure about using it then by all means fucking use them.


>>58517284
whatever suits you most lol.

>>58517339
>>58517337
>>58517217
what happens when a file is named "-f" and you run rm * ?

>>58517302
Former Fedora user here.

Building packages with Fedora was absolutely THE best experience I had with building linux packages so far.

I fucking wished apt switched to a similar architecture already.

SPEC files are absolutely goat ways of building and making packages, and the bash-like syntas is nothing hard at all.

First and foremost https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_an_RPM_package

Few years ago when I was still a complete layman I managed to write two complete, proper spec files from scratch for two different pieces of obscure software.

It's dead easy.

>>58517337
>GNU/Linux*
kys my man :|

>>58517419
Not him but when you create a package yourself and upgrade it over an existing package, does it work okay?

I want to start doing this but for Ubuntu with deb files. Too many packages I depend on are either in PPAs or only available in source form.

>>58517388
rm -- *

-- is supported by lots of programs, which means "don't accept any more options". When you write scripts, it's always a good idea to use these when available.

>>58517302
>>58517419
I also highly recommend signing up to FedoraProject.

Create a FAS account,

After you're done you can write a ticket you're willing to join to the Bugzilla group.
It's dead easy, you just have to wait for someone to accept your requrest.

If you're accepted to the Bugzilla group, you'll be granted free server space with SSH access on fedoraproject.org server which you can use for whatever fucking purpose you want as long as it's within their rules.

With it you can use COPR to build your packages and create personal repositories.

More at
http://miroslav.suchy.cz/blog/archives/2013/12/29/how_to_build_in_copr/

I no longer use Memedora but feel free to ask, I may be able to help.

>>58515751
KDE is also similar

>>58517505
That's why you change the package version/revision number to distiguish them from "vanilla" and avoid conflicts.

If you want to start doing that with ubuntu do

apt-get install build-essentials devscripts quilt

Now lets say you want to build a customised version of mpv

apt-get source mpv

Change the working directory do the newly created mpv-0* folder

and run
dch -i
It will open the changelog and create a new entry (as well as new version/revision number) for your changes. Just put whatever changes you wanted, or put none at all

And rebuild the package with debuild

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>>58517600
Thanks anon. First actual friendly response in this supposed Friendly general I've had for ages. This image is SFW.

>>58517685
I recommend reading up on building packages for debian/ubuntu.
It was extremely confusing for me even though I knew what to do on fedora.

http://cs-people.bu.edu/doucette/xia/guides/debian-patch.txt

and a small protip, quilt has an "import" feature.

>>58517512

What if I just want to create my updated packages locally without all that signing up?

Why does Fedora have you set a root pw during install but Ubuntu doesn't?

>>58517770
Just build them on your own machine lmao.

COPR is useful because It's a fairly powerful machine that will compile the source RPM package you provide.

So you don't have to wait for large project like firefox to finish compiling on your shoddy decade old thinkpad but instead you can write the source package and compile it offsite on someone else's dedicated compiling machine.

I as just trying to be helpful and show you that fedora actually offers a lot more useful tools and the completely-average-but-bleeding-edge-distro bit is usually the irrelevant part of it.

>>58517796
Fedora developers decided that it should be like that while Ubuntu developers decided it should not be like that.
It's not a hard concept to figure out is it?

>>58517816

That sounds cool. So could I use a pre-built SPEC file and just have COPR make a package for me without submitting it anywhere? Basically, I just wanna update a package using the distro's packaging guidelines and all that so I don't have weird shit going on...

Is there really any difference between ubuntu and mint? I'm going to dual boot ubuntu now.

>>58517843
ubuntu is better

>>58517835
copr accepts source rpm files.

Source RPM contains SPEC file, original source in a tarball and all the patches (if necessary).

If youre writing a package for yourself that's locally you don't have to obey and packaging guidelines (though it's good practice). Noone cares. followign packaging guidelines for COPR packages is not a requirement as well.

It's your personal distro that other users MAY use.

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>>58509963
Hey, would like to learn to use Unix systems and be efficient with the command line. Which would be the best system to start learinng on?

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Are there any Linux (and Android) replacements for this god-tier news application?

I just need something that will search news sites, and can be customized with my own news categories. Something simple that doesn't require an account, ideally. Basically, a fucking clone of the Windows 10 news application.

The closest I can find on Android is Flipboard, but that's just a news sharing application so it's not as good. On Linux, I can't find shit.

>>58517893
Which could be used as a replacement for windows, without all the backdoors and tracking shit? Thanks in advance guys.

>>58517908
rss

>>58517893
linux?

>>58517843
Not really. Just the DE I think.

>>58517893
Almost anything would be useful, but if you're starting I'd recommend something like Ubuntu or Fedora so things just werk. Linux distros are generally fairly similar to systems such as the *BSDs. Commercial UNIX (eg Solaris) is pretty much dead, so I think learning those would be pointless.

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>>58517893
>best system
A PDF file full of relevant content.

>>58517893
install gentoo

>>58517908

DO any of these apps do it for you: http://lifehacker.com/5886059/the-best-news-reader-application-for-linux ?

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>>58517924
>>58517928
Yeah was thinking Ubuntu might be the best choice, maybe trying out other systems as I progress.

>>58517930
Thanks for the help guys, appreciated!

>>58517878

OK , I think I got it.

So can I reproduce the workflow I have on Arch now:

>download the latest PKGBUILD in case any dependencies have changed
>put it in a directory
>download the source I want made into a package in the directory with the PKGBUILD
>edit the version number of the package so it doesn't conflict with anything on the system and point the PKGBUILD towards my local source
>open up a terminal and type "makepkg --skipinteg --skippgpcheck --skipchecksums"
>have a proper Arch-specific package in some time depending on the application

Basically, I am not looking to create my own packages (yet!), just use the existing architecture hassle-free..

What happened? This thread got some quality back.

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>>58518253
I came back from work

>>58518253
(You) fucked it up.

>>58518253
>
kys >>>/r/eddit

>>58518253
we had a good OP

>>58518344
>kys
>>>/y/outube

>>58518253
no namefags/tripfags

When using URXVT, I can't get the mouse wheel scroll to work. Does anyone know how to get it working?

Using Arch Linux and i3wm.

I have the following in my .Xresources, but apparently it's not enough:

URxvt.perl-ext-common: urxvt-vtwheel

And yes, I do have the urxvt-vtwheel package installed.

>>58518450
they'll show up now

>>58518455
ugh disregard this post, I'm a faggot and didn't have the package installed but thought I did for some reason, killing myself now

>>58518470
well fugg :DD

What is objectively the best package manager, and why?

>>58518545
portage, license filtering

>>58518545
pacman
simple, elegant, straightforward, no dependency clusterfucks

>>58518545
I would say Portage because you can download and compile packages in parallel.

>>58518571
this website is 18+

>>58518578
what package manager can't do that? the only difference to portage are use flags

>>58518571
And a wicked sense of humor!

how do i get my Wi-Fi card to work on Debian

>>58518545
Either portage or one of those newfangled nix/guix package managers.

Although I think it's too early to say about those.

>>58518545
apt b/c flexibility

>>58518607
If I'm not mistaken, dpkg and RPM based managers have lock files that are a necessary evil. I'm not sure how Portage circumvents it, but it does.

>>58518622
tell it to 'work or you wont buy anymore tendies'
worked on me.

>>58518640
that was pacman

>>58518622
you need to include the nonfree repos in your sources.list file
do that, run apt update and, find the nonfree driver you need and install those

>>58518622
If you have Broadom hardware it'll be annoying to get working. Try looking for the B43 drivers somewhere.

>>58518622
The installer should have asked you if you want to enable nonfree stuff, didn't it?

whatever Windows(tm) 10(tm) Pro(tm) came with

>>58518622
https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList

>>58518659
Yeah I think pacman has lockfiles too. I guess I shouldn't have based my argument for Portage on the lack of lockfiles, but it's a perk. USE flags are actually the main reason why I prefer portage.

>>58518545
nix/guixSD

what's the difference between stage 3 and the minimal installation CD for gentoo

>>58518920
Stage 3 has everything you need to actually have a working install.

Why it isnt included on the fucking iso is beyond retarded

>>58518938
stage three is about the same size as the minimal iso
is it compressed as opposed to raw binaries?

>>58519026
have a look at whats actually on that iso

>>58512413
dd bs=4M ... ... ... ...(just like >>58512441 said )

installing bash on windows as we speak

truly is the year of the linux desktop, but i didn't want it to be like this

is there a way to make the scroll lock key usable in a tty like in freebsd, where when you press the scroll lock, you can use the arrow keys to scroll line by line
I know about shift+pgup/pgdwn, but it's not a really convenient way to scroll for me

also, can something like that be done in urxvt?

How do easily configure Openbox to my liking

>>58519333
edit configs

>>58519360
Is there a graphical tool that makes it easier.

>>58519377
Just read the docs and edit man, no need for a graphical tool.

>>58519377
obconf
obmenu
obmenu-generator or openbox-menu are nice too

>>58519377
Yes, gedit, mousepad, sublimetext.

All graphical text editors I know of are compatible with openbox's config files

>>58519410
What if I have a double digit sub 80 IQ

>>58519433
obmenu-generator includes every single fookin program in the menu though. Any idea how to not do that

linux as a subsystem on windows feels like the future of computing. normies won't use it at all, super users then use it a lot

>>58519451
>super users
do

ping google.com

lmao

>>58519440
Fucking epic! XD

>>58519441

>What if I have a double digit sub 80 IQ

Then git gud

>>58519464
install gentoo next time

Should I install Manjaro? I feel like giving it a try

>>58519491
do it?

>>58519491
Sure, go for it. Try out Antergos too while you're at it.

>>58519491
Are you going to seek acceptance on every single one of your computing decisions?

it's just fucking arch with green theme

>>58519491
Better than antergos

How and why would I program control its user/s wtf

>>58519544
Because you don't have control over the code. You can't modify it. You don't know what the program is really doing, either.

>>58519544
fsf.org will answer most if not all of your question

if in doubt mail [email protected]

if you want to send a GPG encrypted e-mail the pubkey is available at
stallman.org/rms-pubkey.txt

>>58519586
stallman.org and gnu.org also has good information on it.

>>58519505
ok?

>>58519528
>>58519537
I hadn't heard of that distro but I'll have a look into it

>>58519534
Don't really need anyone's approval. I just wanted to see what the general opinion of it was :/

>>58519569
Bitch i dont give a fuck. If it works so be ti

>>58519618
stallman.org is his personal website and while it could contain some relevant information it will certainly drown in the noise of his political ramblings about muh wymyn being oppressed and how its okay to fuck children

fsf.org is the place to look for information about free software

>>58519629
>Bitch i dont give a fuck
so why do you ask?

you either care or don't care.
make up your mind already

>>58519622
Antergos is arch with an installer. It has all of the same packages. Manjaro doesn't have the same packages but it also has an installer.
If you want pure arch without reading the manual go for Antergos.

>>58519635
Yeah I disregard a lot of stuff on stallman.org because a lot of it is just wrong/impractical, I mentioned it for the bits of useful information there. I don't visit most of the site, so I probably shouldn't have mentioned it.

>>58519664
Stop playin mind tricks wit me dawg

>>58519537

How is it better than Antergos, if I may ask?

>>58519688
>disregard the top man's inane ramblings cause it hurts the "cause"
Nice.

>>58519715
The installer actually works.

>>58519715
I haven't tried it, so I'm not sure. I know it releases packages later than arch, so it may be more stable. I'm not sure though.

>>58519720
Well as said by >>58519635, a lot of it is off-topic and unrelated to free software. so it probably wouldn't be the best resource for people wanting to learn about it.

linux is for nerds

>>58519758
I am proud to be a nerd

>>58519775
can you fix my iphone

>>58519775
don't reply, he's just bored.

>>58519758
I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!

>>58519747

Worked for me and I am still on the same install of Antergos for over a year, no problems.

>>58519806
by using GNU + Linux you're using Linux, ergo my statement is still valid

>>58519755
>off topic
If the man is in charge and is the visionary of the "movement", it sure as fuck matters what he thinks/does.

>>58518624
>too early to say
>nix development: 12+ years
They are good, just a limited number of packages, barrier to entry/learning curve, and a clusterfuck of symlinks.

So I updated Fedora about a week ago and I've noticed that theres not this little download indicator where I can see what apps are downloading stuff while I'm doing other stuff. I don't really like it being there, but I'm not sure what it's called or how to disable it? Can anyone help point me in the right direction?

>>58519829
Good point. Broken clocks are still correct twice a day, though.

>>58520017
He is a nobody who still claims to "fame" from writing emacs 30 years ago.He has ZERO other notable factors since then. Of course he wants to claim Linux as his own doing. GCC and GPL were fine and dandy, but he acts as if he is some godly figure with his "oughts" and spergouts at community colleges.

>>58520017
please don't reply to him.
you'll only turn this thread in yet another le toejam eating man episode

>>58514486
The whole point of evil-mode is that it emulates vim, guy

>>58517915
No good news site supports atom/RSS anymore.
BBC News has only RSS feed for videos, for instance

>>58518284
I don't get it.

>>58516546
Thank you anon, I will try this!

>>58520253

You're welcome. Let me know if it helped in case I need to stop asking people to try the program.

Ar there any command line programs where you can listen to online radio stations?

>>58520403

http://askubuntu.com/questions/193737/how-to-listen-radio-from-terminal

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whenever i try to install something or do apt-get update, it hangs at this for a long time before it goes through. Any idea on what i can do to fix this? debian 8.6 i think it is.

>>58520437

Have you tried Debian 8.7 that just came out?

>>58520437
It looks like youre mirror is invalid

>>58520444
I have a lot of data on this vm that I need to hold on to, I'd rather not start from scratch.

>>58520469
I've tried US and CA mirrors, http and ftp, they give the same result. it eventually goes through but it hangs for a minute or two at that line.

>>58520490

dist-upgrade won't work?

I'm looking for a DE that functions on high-dpi out of the box. only Gnome 3 works for me so far, but I want to try out other environments too.

>>58520553
gnome 3 interface is really shit and I want to use xfce or mate. The only thing about gnome I like is the status bar and activities window.

>>58520625

What about openbox or blackbox?

>>58520642
*fluxbox

Very very VERY impressed with Bunsen Labs. Everything works out-of-the-box and I only had one freeze.

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what are the differences between vi and vim?

is vi "tiny vim"?
is vi just an alias command that runs tiny vim?

does vi point to vi or vim on ubuntu server?

>>58520517
dist-upgrade says "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove, and 0 not upgraded"

>>58520666
Hello Satan

>>58520666
i'm going to college soon, and i'd like to hit the ground running by being proficient in vim

>>58520666
vi is the original text editor from the 70s
it was p garbage.
so many clones were developed, with vim as the main contender.
vim was less garbage.

since someone agreed that all POSIX system should feature vi as part of the specification many operating systems ship vim linked as vi

>>58520681
>being proficient in vim
Why?

>>58520698
not that anon but it is a wise decision

>>58520696
thanks

>>58520681
you don't have to be proficient in vim

utmost basic knowledge of how to open a file, edit a line, save a file should be enough.

the chances that you'll be given a machine where ed and vi are the only available editors are slim.
if you can connect to the machine with SSH, you can edit files with emacs in tramp

>>58520469
ok its working now im pretty sure it has something to do with my router randomly blocking port 80

NEW THREAD

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>>58520780
᠎>᠎>58520780

>>58520416
thanks

>>58520751
i'm learning vim and there's nothing you can do about it, mom

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>>58520401
It worked perfectly anon, the annotations even show up in different PDF programs, unlike Okular.

Thank you anon

>>58518661
how do I run apt if I don't have wifi

>>58518679
must've missed it. should I try installing it from scratch again

>>58518677
not sure what you mean but thanks anyway