So /g/ explain to me why hard drives """fail"""?

>>58482687
>3-4 years average.

What's the power supply like where you are?

I still have a Quanum Fireball 3.2gig drive that I bought in September 1997. It's still going.

In my experience, they last a lot longer than that

The last hard drive that failed for me was a 500GB WD ide drive, and that was back when they were still current

Usually stress on the components weakens shit until it breaks. Also sudden jolts can cause the heads to crash.

>>58482687
Everything that has a moving mechanical mechanism in it eventually wears down and breaks.

But still something is very wrong if your drives are lasting only 3-4 years. Even if they're in continual use they should have a lot more than that in them.

>>58482687
Moving parts unlike a SSD. Eventually they just crap out and are prone to failure.

>>/trash/

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How is this for a 6 year old drive?

>>58482687
Entropy always rises.

>>58483400
I hope it dies.

>>58482687
Planned obsolesce. You think Seagate could stay in business if every drive they sold lasted decades?

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>>58483456
This drive had some problems with CrystalDiskInfo but I fixed it now. also nearing 5 years.

>>58483491
>RMA Seagate drive
>get it back in 4 days
>dies in a week
Yeah, planned obsolescence.

>>58483400
SMART is not guaranteed to predict failures.

A drive showing SMART errors is more likely to be failing, but drives can and do fail with no SMART errors, and drives showing SMART errors are not guaranteed to fail. Put your stock in backups and redundancy, not in SMART.

>>58483491
A decades old harddrive would be useless today even if it still worked, since it would be much too small.

>>58483509
>dies in a week
According to some study Google did drives either fail really quickly, or they last a long time.

>>58483547
it was some "Certified Repaired" drive with a different S/N that they mailed me back, it was my fault that I expected much from it I guess.

>>58482733
This.

The only drive ive had fail in 20+ years is one where i kicked my computer when it was writing. Theres a good reason to not have a computer on the floor.

>>58483400
Would be better without the fucking chinese cartoons

>>58482733
Mains power isn't so much the problem as the quality of your PSU. A good PSU will feed the drive clean power, even from dirty mains. A bad PSU will feed the drive crappy power, even from clean mains.

That 3-4 year figure is under server-style loads where the disk is almost always in use, constantly reading/writing.

Normal consumer use should make a standard HDD last way longer than 3-4 years.

>>58483693
anime website

>>58483729
even then server HDDs tend to be replaced on a timeline instead of run into the ground. A 3-5yo enterprise drive probably has years of life left in it even if its been worked hard, but most enterprises will replace it at that age both out of caution and to get more capacity, better performance, and higher power efficiency. Hell, you can work consumer drives that hard too. They're a bit more likely to fail, but not terribly so. Some enterprises do that because the drives are so much cheaper that it saves money, even though you have to replace a few more of them.

>>58483790
Not him but this ain't an anime website. There is /a/.

>>58483790
>anime website
That's an imageboard, what you want is /a/, one of our boards dedicated to anime. Fucking newfags, when you will learn

>>58483823
>>58483856
t. newfag redditor

>>58482687
Stop using Seagate

>>58482687
I've been running a 250GB Western Digital HDD since 2006, no issues other than it runs hot as fuck.

Meanwhile I had a PNY SSD fail on me after 1 year

>>58483890
I'm here since 2004, shit like you is what is slowly killing 4chan.

>>58483909
I have one of those 3TB Seagates that all blew up in the Backblaze study (the DM03s) I've had it for three years and it works fine.

>>58483790
This is technology website you stupid entry-level cancer.

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>>58483693
Shit man, how is it a guaranteed reply every single time. /g/ has gone beyond the rotting carcass, when did this shit start to happen? 2012?

>>58483639
>Theres a good reason to not have a computer on the floor.
Because you might be a complete retard with no control over your own body movement so you might kick it like the clumsy piece of shit faggot that you are?

>>58483942
I still remember when we used to discuss real anime on /a/, not this moeshit we have now. Good times

>>58484046
It's all an anime website except this is the technology section of weebland

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>>58484106
>real anime

>>58484086
it started when people began posting mlp and traps on /b/
/b/ is cancer and spreads to every other board (in fact, everyone here started on /b/

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>>58483693
>>58483823
>>58483856
>implying

>>58484100
>Not taking additional countermeasures in case you do this shit by accident

You're not perfect, anon.

>>58483491
>think Seagate could stay in business if every drive they sold lasted decades?
yeah, make faster and bigger drives
and what happens with the industrial market? or mission-critical equipment?

>>58482687
>3-4 years

Hard drives should last a long time if they haven't fucked up in the first few months. I had one from 2008-2015 as the main OS drive with no problems. Only shelved it because I fell for the SSD meme.

>>58484422
To companies, the industrial and government sectors are just more dollar signs. Of course, there's the threat of government interference, but most governments don't want to tarnish their reputation by attacking big business.

>>58483729

Have a server at work that is running 24/7 since 1997 or so.

Still has original 2.1 scsi ibm drives, no strange noises or anything.

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>>58484380
>>58484404
>implying thats anime

>>58482687
I must be the luckiest person in the world. I had hardrive fail around me all the time, except the ones I own.

I still have the original WD 74GB Raptors that I had running in RAID0 as my boot drive for Windows XP last 7 years with 95% uptime, and they are still good. Pulled that PC out recently, and dropped Windows 7 on it. Works great.

I currently have a RAID0 consisting of 4x WD 2TB Greens that are at least 6 years old, this is my NAS, it has 99% uptime. Not a single failure.

Of course a few years ago before SSDs came down in price I bought a 600GB Raptor that failed after 2 months. That's about it, that's the only failure I ever had.

>>58484400
Nope, just not a fucking idiot apparently

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>>58485686
>I currently have a RAID0 consisting of 4x WD 2TB Greens

>>58482687
>current year
>using Seagate
Enjoy having your hardware break in a matter of weeks

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>>58483823
fuck off faggot this is an animu site

>>58486515
There is literally nothing wrong with using Seagate you dumbfuck memespotuing retard. I bet you don't even keep multiple backups you fuck.

>>58482687
How did that guy not lose his hand with all that shrapnel that flied around?

>>58482687
Had this PC for about 11 years now, never changed out the hard drive. YOU have shit luck with parts.

>>58487179
Not fast enough

>>58484100
Just fuck off you insufferable asswhipe.

>>58483400
At least use hdsentinel, not this meme.

I'm running on a 1T FAEX that's nearly 10 years old.

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I got this drive in 2006, been using it ever since.

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I have an HDD from an old powerbook g4 laptop (13 years old). I just bought an external case with IDE/USB adaptor for it.

Still working well. And it has been used a lot.

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>>58482687
that average only applies to shitty drives
i'm pretty sure i'll put this drive away before it dies

>>58482687
because consumer electronics are not perfect, sometimes products are designed to fail immediately after the end of warranty period
HDDs are very delicate, but to be honest none of mine failed just like that (and I had tens of different 2,5"/3.5" HDDs). Ok, with exception of one HDD which I fucked up with a magnet.
>3-4 years on average
Except you took these numbers out of ass.
If you treat HDDs properly (provide stable power, mounting and cooling, minimize vibrations, properly configure HDD - APM, AAM, spindown period, load/unload cycles with wdidle) they'll be serving you well for a long, long time

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>>58483823

I have an old Western Digital Caviar SE with over 70k power on hours that still works. I've also had a WD green drive fail after less than 15k hours.

>>58484239
I did infact get brought to 4chan cause I heard how bad /b/ was, though desu I couldnt stand it for more than 5min and went off to other boards

>>58489569
Czesc anonie, co slychac? Szanujesz papieza?

>>58489600
to nie karaczan

>>58489569
There's something gravely wrong with your computer anon
It's Kurwa-ing!

>>58489612
Wiem, odpisales mi to juz poprzednio, ale z jakiegos powodu dalej uzywasz polskich wersji programow jak jakis plebs :^)
Zainstaluj gentoo.

>>58489634
zabij się

>>58489634
pieprzyć angielski
a wg to jest pierwsza w nocy. czemu jeszcze nie śpisz?

>>58489647
ok
>zaraz wracam

>>58489660
bo trzymam kredens

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Is it time?

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CrystalDiskMark, and therefore by extension CrystalDiskInfo too, are professional software used by Toshiba.
They benchmark their SSDs IOPS with it: http://www.toshiba.co.uk/hard-drives/solid-state/

Also Shizuku is cute.

The only HDDs I can confim die for no good reason are modern 2.5'' drivers, both seagate and WD, inside laptops with average internal temps that never got any shocks.

All the 3.5'' ones I have never had problems, only some bad cables/connectors.
I also have a 20+ yo 2.5'' which had some sticktion issues, easily solved by moving it around a bit before starting.

>tfw ATA Error Count: 23
RIP WD shit green

>>58490043
Works on my machine, maybe you didn't use wldie3

I went through 2 HDDs on my toshiba satellite I got in 2011. Second time was last month so I just got dell inspiron. Was thinking about getting a new SSD or HDD for the toshiba but not really sure what the difference is

>>58490100
*wdidle3

>>58490107
Get a cheap SSD unless you're planning on storing a lot of stuff there

>>58490100
Yeah, I didn't. The parking meme is a meme for a reason. I still have another 4TB green in here, I just have to eventually wldie3. Eventually.

>>58482687

>tfw WDBlack
>had multiple power fails before UPS purchased
>zero bad sectors
>windows 10's file system changed the sluggishness of it

theres literally zero incentive to pay for a SSD

especially when the cheapest reputable one is the $40 120gb Kingston

you can get a 240gb HDD for $16 and a 1TB for 40

>mfw drives from 2002 still working

>>58490127
Your already dead

>>58490148
>yfw drives from 1992 still working

>>58490139
>theres literally zero incentive to pay for a SSD
Remove yourself.

>>58490162
B-but, n-no errors.

>>58485831
>RAID0
>Greens

Anon...

>>58490168

99% of normal pc use takes place in the RAM and CPU/IGP

installing windows 10 from USB 3.0 takes less time than Ubuntu 16.4/10

>>58490177
Head cycle count

>>58490186
RAID is a meme anyway, just use a checksumming filesystem and it will just work on a drive that spews enough errors to corrupt a normal filesystem in few hours.

>>58490229
I'd say the improved shock resistance and possibly lower power consumption is a benefit on laptops

>>58490265

id never buy a laptop, id use my phone

you can build a G4400 PC for $200 and do everything normal PC users need to do

theres zero incentive to buy a SSD except for gaymers who are literally once again shitting money to compensate for shitty game design

intel themselves have stopped increasing processing power over the last 5 years

and Nvidia are relying on devs bottlenecking older GPUs to force you to keep buying new GPUs with DX?? version and by games being constantly unoptimized you have to keep over killing GPU resources

up til this last year 2 Gigs of ram was all you needed, then Forza 3 and Gears happened and suddenly everyone had to upgrade just to barely run games smoothly at the lowest settings

>>58490229
>99% of normal pc use takes place in the RAM and CPU/IGP
Nigga do you even virtual memory. Your computer is as fast as your slowest device.

My oldest HDD still in active use has 48K power on hours (5.5 years) and 370K load cycle counts. Going strong with zero bad sectors so far, but I'll probably retire it soon anyway.

>>58490265
>Head cycle count

ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x002f   200   200   051    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0027   174   173   021    Pre-fail  Always       -       8283
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   099   099   000    Old_age   Always       -       1862
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   200   200   140    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x002e   100   253   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   079   079   000    Old_age   Always       -       15832
 10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
 11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       849
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       218
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0032   195   195   000    Old_age   Always       -       15523
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   116   110   000    Old_age   Always       -       36
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0030   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate   0x0008   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0

RIP

>>58482687
All my drives have lasted for all of the time I have needed to use them, I retire perfectly good but aged drives.

My first HD lasted about 6 years before I upgraded it, retiring a perfectly good drive. The current one is almost 7 years old.

Same with my hardware.

Sometimes I wonder if the average consumer is just retarded and breaks their shit all the time.

>>58486515
The seagate issue with their 3TB drives has since been fixed years ago. Get with the times gramps.

>>58484086
>Coca cola started making cola before they made Sprite and so people can't dislike Cola and like Sprite.

Shit image, shit argument.

You are on /g/, the technology discussion board on a public imageboard. /a/ is the anime board on a public imageboard. /g/ is not /anime technology/.

>>58490366
>Sometimes I wonder if the average consumer is just retarded and breaks their shit all the time.

>having to wonder

>>58490366

99% of their issues are power interuptions which cause bad sectors and then they're told they need to upgrade their entire PC rather than buy a $10 HDD


but if your 7 years old thats probalby a 775 and thats expensive as fuck, even for just memory to replace

its cheaper to build a 1150 build than replace any 775 piece outside of a CPU

>>58490303
You mean the G4560, the first Pentium with HT

SSD's aren't a meme and most gamers store almost all their games on HDD's anyway because they have minimal impact on loading times, SSD's are used for the Operating system and desktop applications. There's a damn good reason why people always recommend an SSD as the most important upgrade.

True, still rocking a 3570K with no reason to upgrade. Hopefully AMD will get them going again.

Who said you have to run a game maxed out? FO4 God rays and TW3 hairworks are notorious for it, but you can just turn them off for little visual difference. You could just buy AMD FineWine technology too.

Even all modern web browsers will laugh at you and your 2 gigs m8.

>>58490402
Was that in 2012? I remember I had a 3TB that failed one week past warranty. Bastards.

>>58490480
>2012
I believe so, when the thai factories got flooded.

>>58490480

the 4400 has the same single thread speed as the 5960X and costs 50 dollars

spending anymore and you might as well just get the i3

but thats not needed for normal pc users

>>58490498
I still have it in storage, doubt they'd help me out now despite the class-action suit.

>>58490509
The G4560 is 64 dollarydoos and it's worth it for hyper-threading.

>>58490587
Yeah, that opportunity is long since gone. But their 4TB are actually pretty good with only 2% annual failure rate out of a few thousand they sell. But the damage is done and this will cast them in a bad light for years on because of the 3TB drives failing around 47% in 2012 and 2013.

>>58490587

try $75.00

the 4400 is already the same speed as every other CPU on 1151

and the multithreaded performance vs the 6100 is negligable, the hyperthreading makes no difference except for fooling games into thinking you have 4 cores

and at that price point its not logical to buy over the i6-6100

>>58490480

>You mean the G4560, the first Pentium with HT

Actually the Pentium 4 had HT long long ago and way before those G-series models did.

LRN2HISTORYOFCPUS

>>58490652
>47%
What the fugg, give me my free drive seagate you fucks.

>>58490671
Here in europoorland its 65-70 for the 4560 vs 60-65 for the g4400, HT will give a 33-50% performance improvement in multi-threaded applications, which let's face it, you are going to use at some point, it makes it a no-brainer.

>>58490679
Oh no, I forgot to mention the 15 year old P4 in my HT shitpost on a taiwanese origami board.

>>58482687
MY hd will be 10 years old this year. Still going strong, it survived even the death of its original machine.

>>58490777

yeah well theres only 1 store selling it in the US and its 75

the 4400 is 50

also theres zero real world stats on either cpuworld or cpu users benchmark to comare the 2

it also would be not even listed on a price to performance list which the 4400 is near the top with the 3900 at the best which is only $5-10 cheaper but only 80% relative speed so might as well just get the 4400 to run any particular application as fast as every other CPU

>>58490652
The damage was done to them by a shitty company that thinks putting Desktop drives into a server is a good idea. It's really unfucking believable how many people mindlessly accept Backblaze's data.