Don't use FreeBSD. Bug reports over five years old that

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>>58433884
>Use BackdoorBSD
N-no thank you.

>>58433884
>Don't use BSD. Bug reports over five years old that still affect people aren't fixed. They don't even reply to your bug reports, either. The default install needs tons of nonobvious configuration afterwards, and there is almost no software for it

>Use Linux (or Windows if you must game)

OP pls, give us some examples.

>>58434086
>h-hehe yes good goy, don't use an OS with an intense security focus because there was drama between the developers!
Not an argument. de Raadt is a dick but his OS is more thoroughly audited than almost any piece of open source software.

>>58433884
Only use OpenBSD if you don't need a decent filesystem, any form of secondary security(because we all know forking projects and carrying giant diffs because of the NIH syndrome is a good idea). OpenBSD bases it's "security" on "well written code". Except there are bugs. Just today there was an OpenSSH vulnerability , as well as a libressl one. Install a port with a vuln and your OpenBSD is nothing more secure than anything else in it's default state. It just does less because muh "security", who needs SMP, who needs performance, everyone else sucks because we said so.

Please stop embarrassing the BSD community. As a member of the BSD community i reject all the shit being spewed by the OpenBSD community. Pin it on them, not the rest.

>>58433884
>use the BSD bistro made by the autistic pufffish community

>>58435877
Not OP, but FreeBSD still doesn't support ASLR, which is an essential component of exploit mitigation. Good thing nobody tries to attack FreeBSD, I guess.

>>58437031
Lack of ASLR in FreeBSD sucks, but I'd rather have no ASLR than a god awful implementation that is in OpenBSD. It's ridiculously easy to predict where certain addresses will be mapped and is vulnerable. At least FreeBSD still has a chance to provide a proper one, as opposed to being stuck with a terrible one that is just there for show.

>>58437063
The problem isn't so much that ASLR isn't there, but more that the maintainers don't seem to think it's a problem. It's insane that *windows vista* supported ASLR, and that was released 10 years ago this month. But FreeBSD, being still actively maintained, somehow hasn't managed to prioritize it, and instead seems to prefer masturbating over default software and re-implementing open source drivers from Linux.

>>58433884

FreeBSD was good when Matt was at the help.

Fuck FreeBSD. Dragonfly FTW!

Is there some BSD that isn't shit or dead?

>>58437169
OSX

>>58433884
>Use OpenBSD.
Nice try NSA shill!

OpenBSD is ONE BIG BACKDOOR
This ShitBSD has lack for any good filesystem but full of big kernel locks

ITT: newbs that can't install FreeBSD

>>58438397
Won't support my 1 year old hardware, so yes it was literally impossible

>>58438195
>macOS
It's not FreeBSD - most of its userland (ie. what Apple haven't replaced), the network stack, vfs and process model are all that's left. Rest is XNU, Apache, APSL or similar and not from FreeBSD through the Darwin port.

>>58438343
Can't wait to install it on my SHARP X68000.

>>58438397
Funny, it's super fucking easy. Grab the bootonly img file, write it to an USB disk, insert it, follow bsdinstall (use handbook if retarded), ???, profit.

>>58438514
Software has been more important than hardware since the 70s. Build your computer around your software needs, not the other way around.

i will be not using any bsd shit anyway.

Apple MacBook doesn't have this problem

>>58438738
They just have many, many, many other problems - such as a complete lack of consistent design, an almost frantic obsession with thinness to the complete detriment of battery or even just a simple 8P8C RJ45 connector, that they are no longer aimed at the professional market or even prosumers but are marketed to consumers, and that that they haven't had any innovation since long before Steve Jobs died.

I just realized something: it must be fucking depressing to be locked into any single ecosystem so hard that you'd prefer shitposting and making a fool of yourself instead of learning something new. If it was me, I'd probably just use an etherkiller and go live as a hermit, if I ever got to that point.

>>58433884
are you doing this to trigger the freebsdfag

>>58433884
>OpenBSD
Enjoy your FBI backdoors, my man

Guess why Steam says SteamOS + Linux

Guess they were wrong about needing BSD to create proprietary software or make money. Guess support is more important.

>>58440743

guess what

>>58434086
Was never found, so it's FUD Mr. Shill

>>58437150
Everyone thinks it's a problem, it's just that there's not nearly enough discussion and people who abandon revisions(Shawn) or simply don't care about them are the reason FreeBSD has no ASLR. Every single one of them has been criticized with comments that were never addressed. Respectable kernel developers made comments on every ASLR implementation that hit phabric and none of them were fully addressed. FreeBSD isn't going to chase people that abandon revisions.

>>58442255
How about this:
>accept the best available ASLR patch
>make the few changes you requested yourself (just submit a patch immediacy after)

It's ridiculous that the system has such a laughable security hole when it could and should have been fixed years ago

>using *BSD

When Linux isn't obscure enough...

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>>58434086
>couldnt handle the banter

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>>58433884
just use arch, just restarted after installing almost 2 month of updates, so far only gtk icons broken, is a different theme

>>58435877
The installer didn't tell me it wanted a FQDN instead of a short hostname, so sendmail crapped out on first boot until I fixed that. There also is a ~/.shrc file which enabled things which are already enabled by default in sh, thus causing sh -V to never work.
Also when they moved fortune from /usr/games to /usr/bin they didn't fix everything that needed to be fixed for it to work. Various problems, all the time.
Also, using pkg to install Chromium or Firefox leads to an unusable browser without doing modifications by hand. At least in Chromium they tell you what to do to make Chromium work (enable shared memory) but for Firefox you have to enable dbus, and they never tell you to do this, nor how to do it.
These are all problems I've never encountered in OpenBSD: and when I do encounter a problem in OpenBSD, committers actually reply to my emails.

Fuck it, I may try to write ASLR for FreeBSD myself, and actually follow through. Watch for it, /g/!

>>58443717
Teach me how to kernel program: I can only do userland programming.

>>58443767
If you don't need to write kernel code, then you probably won't have the motivation to learn. Still, a good place to start would be with a basic linux kernel module:

http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2013/07/write-linux-kernel-module

If you know a bit of linux assembly (http://0xax.blogspot.com/2014/08/say-hello-to-x64-assembly-part-1.html, for example), then adding a system call may be a more interesting intro to kernel programming: https://arvindsraj.wordpress.com/2012/10/05/adding-hello-world-system-call-to-linux/

Finally, by far the best intro to kernel programming is to write an OS from scratch. This is the OS tutorial I learned most of my stuff from: http://www.brokenthorn.com/Resources/OSDevIndex.html

In all of these cases, it really helps to be somewhat familiar with C.

>>58443850
I only know C, but I don't have any GNU/Linux installation. Just three OpenBSD installations and one FreeBSD install. I suppose I'll install a GNU/Linux distro on a flash drive. I also have the Linux subsystem installed on Windows.
Thanks for all the links!

>>58436920
>>58443534

Not liking the personalities involved is a 100% valid reason not to use software that relies on community support, especially with a community as small as OpenBSD.

Linus is incredibly lucky that the Linux development community is so gigantic, varied, and more importantly has an endless supply of people you can pay to put their ego in check and tell you what you want to know or do something for you without screaming at you to read the manpages or whatever.

>>58443940
>babby who can't deal with software instead of the people behind the software
Why are you on /g/?

>>58433884
I don't feel like cucking myself anon sorry.

>>58443954

Are you really so sheltered that you have never had to deal with somebody who was a complete fucking asshole to you?

You never knew anybody like that? You've never had to work with somebody like that? Your work never forced you to attend to somebody like that?

Why would you willingly put yourself through something like that unless you have zero self-respect?

> Why are you on /g/?

Because this is an anonymous imageboard. You don't know who I am. I don't know who you are. Nothing anybody says on here actually matters. I sure as hell don't need your advice or help with anything, and if I did I'd take anything anybody said with a gigantic grain of salt.

>>58443891
Huh, that's an unusual path to learning unix, to say the least. Cool! Well, you can follow the exact same advice, just look up your own BSD "hello world" kernel module, (userspace) assembly example, and syscall tutorial. They all exist for BSD, too, but I bet you're much more likely to find them for FreeBSD than OpenBSD.

>>58444113
No, I'm not sheltered. I'm just not thin-skinned.
>>58444134
I started with FreeBSD because I couldn't find a decent body of GNU/Linux documentation to go from 0 to actually learning Unix. I found the FreeBSD handbook, and it was good, so I used FreeBSD. Months later, I tried OpenBSD, and since I preferred it I never tried FreeBSD again until a couple days ago.
FreeBSD's documentation is better, but OpenBSD is really a better OS for everyday usage. I'll still save those links, but you're right that Google can help find everything.
https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/developers-handbook/x86.html
I remember skimming this many months ago.

>>58444267

>No, I'm not sheltered. I'm just not thin-skinned.

Being thick-skinned only means that you don't let the abuse "get" to you, which is a good life skill to have no matter who you are.

That doesn't change the fact that there is extra mental overhead with dealing with those special snowflakes. You have to know their "rules for engagement" ahead of time, triple-check everything you say to avoid offending them, be mindful of their hot-buttons, purposefully steer the conversation away from things that could cause them to go off on stupid tangents, it just gets tiring dealing with those personalities.

Give me a community of people who are actually polite, professional, helpful, and most of all don't need their personalities managed.

>>58444527
The idea that Theo is some bully is a meme. Both of the times I've had conversations with him, he was pleasant and courteous, and helped me with what I needed help with.
>managed
So you prefer robots over humans?

>>58444584

> So you prefer robots over humans?

No? I mean the kinds of people where you can just rely on everyday social norms like "being polite and professional" and things will go swimmingly.

>>58436996
At least it's errata looks better then Linux LPIs and other vulns
https://www.openbsd.org/errata60.html
Software is another problem.

>>58442255
There is already the best ASLR implementation ready it's called PaX, guess what it already existed since 2003 even Windows has ASLR.

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>>58444584

Oh man, I almost skipped over this gem.

>The idea that Theo is some bully is a meme

You are full of shit.

Just for laughs I searched for recent posts by Theo in openbsd-misc. I couldn't even get through a single page of marc.info results before I found a post of him accusing somebody of being selfish and spamming the mailing list because they mentioned in passing that they were busy over the weekend with client work and hadn't had time to reinstall the OS.

This is not the first time I have done this either. I do it every so often for entertainment, because without fail I can usually find a recent post by Theo or somebody else on the team where they decided to be a prick at the smallest provocation, real or imagined. It's amusing...in the same way watching a imageboard flame war is amusing. But every time, it reassures me that keeping away from OpenBSD continues to be a wise move.

Fuck outta here.

>>58444940
>But every time, it reassures me that keeping away from OpenBSD continues to be a wise move.
good for you

>>58444940
Oh, I'm not subscribed to misc; just announce, tech, and ports. Didn't know.
Please link some of these messages.

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sentence.

>>58445084

This is OpenBSD country. Do you expect me to spoon-feed you things you could easily discover yourself? Do your own research.

(see how fucking annoying that is?)

>>58445143
you make a claim, so you back it up

Guys, I am stuck between using Debian/Fedora for my XPS13, I will be using GNOME as my desktop environment of choice. I have only had experience with FreeBSD and openSUSE/Arch briefly if that means anything, I would appreciate any input from anyone who has experience with either.

Thanks

>>58445209
I've seen GNOME used on both OpenBSD and FreeBSD. Why exactly do you want GNOME? For which programs? I haven't used a DE in over a year, since I realised all programs can come without a DE.

>>58445209
You'll probably like debian a lot more, it has more packages. Debian is a GNU project though so it doesn't come with firmware images, so that's kinda shitty. Ubuntu GNOME exists.

>>58445307
When was Debian a GNU project? I thought gnewsense or trisquel were more like that.

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>>58443569
Arch is the master operating race

>>58445355

Debian is not GNU, but it actually has a pretty strict stance on software freedom - if your software doesn't adhere to the DFSG your packages are now stuck as second-class citizens in the non-free repository.

>>58443569
how do you have all those colors in pacman output?

>>58445209
I have experience with all of these.

imho, Archlinux is the most desirable OS, but is more suited towards server environments.

If you want a home OS, from that list hands down I would suggest Fedora...

Fedora is the exact same software as Red Hat Linux, which is what most Govt agencies use. the only difference between red hat and fedora is fedora is community supported, whereas with red hat you pay a few hundred dollars a year for a license which entitles you to tech support.

Fedora is secure, stable and honestly quite underrated

>>58445405
Plus the firmware images which are not included by default for stuff like graphics cards or wifi chipsets.

>>58445406
>how do you have all those colors in pacman output?
Theres something called documentation, friend. Its essential with arch linux

>https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Pacman&redirect=no#Color_output

>>58445426
>all those fucking shitposters that come in BSD threads to tell us that we shill government stuff
>this gets posted
sasuga /g/

>>58445406

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Color_output_in_console#pacman

>>58445307
>>58445426
Thank you both for your replies, I will go with Fedora since I need the newer kernel for my hardware and Debian does not ship with non-free firmware.

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>>58445462
>>58445446
I knew about that already.
I uncommented all the misc options and my output looks like pic related.

>>58445455
>people asking for GNU/Linux tech support in a BSD thread
sasuga /g/, indeed

>>58443569
wait, is that yaourt you're using to update packages (including those not from the AUR)?
why?

>>58445683
GNUshitter please go.

>>58445706
sry it's his fault for making me curious

>>58444868
FYI the PaX implementation has been broken within seconds due to a non uniform distribution or random addresses of parent processes and well defined fixed offsets between the children.

Educate yourself with recent research before you talk about security.

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(((FSF))) is trash
Not open source software, just FSF

>>58447676
It's because Stallman chose not to make an open source Lisp OS, but chose to force MIT culture upon Unix. If he chose to avoid Unix, things would be fine. This isn't a defense of him at all, though.

>>58445374
arch is pleb tier trash though

>>58448028
Arch is the Windows 10 of Linux. Constant updates, constant breakage, filled with garbage no one likes, brain dead and pigheaded community that can't deal with criticism and a total chore to use

>>58444940
So I'm going to ignore one of the most secure and free(as in freedom) operating systems because devs get their feelings hurt? Should I sacrifice my right to security because you got slammed by asshole?

I was literally just reading about how private BSD ecosystems are, and I see this thread. I'm not the paranoid type but I have a sinking feeling this is some serious psyops shit...

>>58448190
>most
>free(as in freedom)
Learn English before posting, gnutard.

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>>58448267

>>58448267
Just because Apple controls FreeBSD doesn't mean any other BSD user likes Apple or FreeBSD.

>>58448293
It's just a joke since by working on something with the BSD license you're implicitly OK with a company like Apple forking the code for their proprietary use.

>>58448310
Not implicitly, but explicitly. But that's fine, MIT is my favorite licence.

>>58448267
the gnu/tard needs some communist imagery

>>58448377
The GNU licence is socialist. The BSD licence is communist.

>>58433884
freebsd is trash, the installer overwrote my mbr without any confirmation, then the pos couldn't even boot windows.

openbsd filesystem is slow as hell, default partition scheme is retarded and X would only run in software mode on my gpu

BSD=trash

>>58448413
>openbsd
>slow
NTFS is one of the slowest file systems around.

>>58448395
the GNU license is communist and socialist garbage. The BSD license is right wing and based.

>>58448440
Please read some basic economics and politics before making a fool of yourself by making posts like that. I'd recommend anything by Kropotkin or Bakunin.

>>58448449
>"""""""""""""""anarcho""""""""""""""" leftist shite
>anything to do with politics or economics
Nice one

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Install Lincux if you want spics and sandniggers in your country. Install *BSD if you want a white tomorrow.

>>58448477
>implying anarchism isn't centrist
Stop being a retard, and stop bringing /pol/ to blue boards.

>>5844861
I didn't though, I just explicitly stated that something can't be both left wing and anarchist at the same time.

>>58448674
Correct. If it's anarchist, it's not left wing. That's why anarchism and communism, which are the same thing, are not leftist.
Leftism is socialism.

>>58448683
>anarchism and c*mmunism, which are the same thing
>c*mmunism is somehow not leftist
You have just lost any semblance of credibility you had.
>Leftism is socialism.
So is c*mmunism and various forms of """"""anarcho""""""-socialism (""""""anarcho""""""-syndicalism, etc.)

>>58433884
>live free or die
>proprietary software
fail

>>58448683
>If it's anarchist, it's not left wing
Anarchist movement started as a leftist movement.

>>58449002
Denying capitalism isn't inherently leftist.

>>58449002
That doesn't somehow remove the inherently contradictory nature of these terms.

>>58449204
He's claiming that anarchism is leftist.

>>58449221
How does that change anything I've said? They are mutually exclusive, you can claim anything you want though.

>>58449032
How do you deny capitalism without denying private property? And denial of private property is inherently leftist.

>>58449237
I think anarchism/communism and leftism are mutually exclusive too.
>>58449257
If you read about the differences between personal property and private property you'll understand how anarchism denies capitalism without denying hedonism.

>>58449265
Communism is by definition leftism, anarchism has only one requirement - not being leftist.
I see that you are just a leftie who doesn't want to acknowledge that an even more retarded group also belongs to his ideology.
>differences between personal property and private property
There is no difference, I don't really care about your retarded leftist memes.
>hedonism
When did that come into play? We weren't talking about hedonism.

>>58449329

A Communist society has no State. Communism is a condition of statelessness and classlessness.

Anarchists and Communists are striving for the same thing via different means.

>>58449347
>A Communist society has no State.
It doesn't really matter if you just call it something different. What communists want is simply impossible without a state-like entity and even those animals acknowledge this.
>Anarchists and Communists are striving for the same thing via different means.
Wrong. I really hope you don't claim that (anarcho-)monarchists, (anarcho-)nationalists and various other groups of anarchists can possibly have the same end goal as communists.

>>58449383
>What communists want is simply impossible without a state-like entity

It's no different to what Anarchists want.

The functions of the "State" will still be fullfilled, but not under the threat of coercion. The organizations for coordinating production and distribution, resources, infrastructure, education, heath, planning, etc... will be voluntary.

>Wrong. I really hope you don't claim that (anarcho-)monarchists...

It's apparent you don't know what Anarchism is.

>>58449422
>It's no different to what Anarchists want.
If you think anarchists are somehow a uniform group it's clear that you are simply retarded.
>The functions of the "State" will still be fullfilled, but not under the threat of coercion.
The denial of private property implies coercion, it's literally impossible to achieve one without the other.
>It's apparent you don't know what Anarchism is.
It means stateless, which has literally nothing to do with "classless".

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>>58449451

Stop.

Take a deep breath... and start again. From the very begining.

This isn't a criticism of you, I'm trying to help. The fact you're interested in ideology is good, and I encourage you to explore further. But, you've gone down a rabbit hole, you're in "Alice in Wonderland" territory. You're going to have to get yourself out, somehow.

>The denial of private property implies coercion,

The monopolization of a resource by an individual requires the initiation of force.

>It means stateless, which has literally nothing to do with "classless".

Class is defined by your relationship to production. If production is owned by all, we are all the same class.

>>58449534
>But, you've gone down a rabbit hole, you're in "Alice in Wonderland" territory. You're going to have to get yourself out, somehow.
I'm not a retarded leftist like yourself though.
>by an individual requires the initiation of force.
How can you possibly "initiate force" by controlling a resource nobody else has yet appropriated?
>Class is defined by your relationship to production.
Maybe in your fantasy land, not in the real world though.
>If production is owned by all, we are all the same class.
So you're fine with a society consisting entirely of capitalists?

>>58449568
>left

Try again.

>How can you possibly "initiate force" by controlling a resource nobody else has yet appropriated?

"Approprated"... Good choice of word. If I come along and want to use the resource you've "appropriated", would you stop me?

>Maybe in your fantasy land, not in the real world though.

You think there's no material or legal difference between someone who owns a business and a person employed to work for the business owner?

Do you think one has more power than the other? Can the empoyee fire the boss? Or, can only the boss fire the employee?

>So you're fine with a society consisting entirely of capitalists?

Capitalists need workers. Workers don't need Capitalists.

I have to go to work now, might get back to this at lunch time.

Bye.

>>58449627
>Try again.
What are you then?
>If I come along and want to use the resource you've "appropriated", would you stop me?
Depends on what you mean by "use", if you think you are somehow entitled to it and want to take it without permission then yeah, I'd shoot you right there. Protecting your own possessions requires force (as retaliation against retards like you who think they are entitled to other people's property), acquiring them doesn't.
>Do you think one has more power than the other?
You haven't given enough information to say anything about who has more power.
>Capitalists need workers.
Yes, but these workers can be in a different society. Which then means that by your own logic you should be okay with a classless society of capitalists.
>Workers don't need Capitalists.
True, but most workers aren't as retarded as you and chose to work in a capitalist system.
>I have to go to work now
how ironic

>>58448413
>default partition scheme is retarded
so change it? its like that by default for security reasons

>>58448413
No, you overwrote your MBR by using bsdinstaller wrong.
You're also so fucking retarded that you can't run bcdedit, or simply fixmbr and fixboot from a Windows Recovery Command Prompt.

The BSDs in general don't hold your hand and prevent you from doing retarded stuff that you should know better than. If you're that stupid, you should go back to Windows.

>>58433884
I'm worried that someone is going to hack me! Oh no! They will steal my pirated movies and series off my network backup!

>>58437031
>he fell for the aslr meme
runtime address randomization only protects against script kiddies.

compile time address randomization is better but vulnerable to information leakage.

address randomization is literally placebo.

>>58434086
Since you've independently audited it, and found what no one else has been able to find, you should report it to the project. They will be most grateful, I'm sure.

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>>58449682
>What are you then?

Depends on the taxonomy you're using.

>Depends on what you mean by "use"

I think that's pretty clear.

>if you think you are somehow entitled to it

What made you entitled to it? You "saw" it first?

>I'd shoot you right there. Protecting your own possessions requires force (as retaliation against retards

You're the one who "appropriated" (your own word) the resource. What gave you the right to monopolize the resource and deny everyone else access?

>You haven't given enough information to say anything about who has more power.

It's an easy question. In a company, who has more power: the owner of the company or an employee?

>Yes, but these workers can be in a different society.

You mean a different species?

>True, but most workers aren't as retarded as you and chose to work in a capitalist system.

Where else is there work? There are only two State Capitalist systems left that stand in opposition to Neoliberal Capitalism. Personally, I don't fancy moving to North Korea, it's a hereditry dictatorship, and Cuba has strict immigration controls.

>how ironic

What's wrong with "work"? Do you object to selling your labor? Are you a Socialist?

>>58451339
Despite your infinite wisdom, you're still an idiot.

>>58451567
>Depends on the taxonomy you're using.
How about you stop your word games and give me a clear answer?
>I think that's pretty clear.
Not really, considering your kind likes to use made up definitions all the time.
>What made you entitled to it?
I obtained it without using any non-legitimate (even by your standards) means like coercion.
>You're the one who "appropriated" (your own word) the resource.
Seems like you don't get what this word means, are you an ESL?
>What gave you the right to monopolize the resource
Me legitimately obtaining it. You trying to use it without permission would require the initiation of force, something you claim to be opposed to.
>and deny everyone else access?
If we apply your """"""logic"""""" to other things you legitimately own (like your body) it would mean that you can't deny anyone access to it. I hope you see why that's utterly retarded.
>It's an easy question. In a company, who has more power: the owner of the company or an employee?
Still not enough information and your question changed.
>You mean a different species?
No, just imagine 100% of the work being outsourced.
>Do you object to selling your labor?
I don't, but I imagine your kind would.
>Are you a Socialist?
What kind of retarded question is that? Was that not clear from my previous posts?

]olitcal philosophy ain't tech. Stop confusing yourselves by thinking in these abstract analogies.

>>58451797
>calling retardation like >>58451567 """"philosophy""""
mate...

>>58445374
>why would you install screenfetch on a database server
why would you install X on a database server?
why would you use an unstable rolling release distro on a database server?

>>58451814
Debating tenants of different systems of government is political philosophy

guys this is a BSD thread not a pol thread :(

I have to agree with >>58453549, this is a massive fucking detail.
One of whoever of you likes to discuss this shit, create a thread on another board and crosslink it.

>>58453549

My apologies.

Unfortunately, the level of "debate" in /pol/ has fallen off a cliff. You won't even find a confused libertarian bothering to trouble the Nu-nationalists.

>>58448377
Look what you did you fucker

>>58433884
>tfw couldn't figure out why speakers wouldn't work
>just had to go into the settings of DSBMixer
I blame the GTK menu layouts

>>58434086
>hacked his router and remotely remapped his keyboard

alpha as fuck/10

>>58453577
I was amazed to see that this thread was still alive nearly 36 hours later, only to be disappointed when I found out why.

>>58456668

Mods have edited it, too.

>>58457656
What did they edit?

>>58458479
They deleted over 100 shitposts

>>58458589
That's a lot of shitposts.

>>58458605
beawesome posts a lot of shit

>>58434086

Man someone should really write a os where the code is open for all to see so anyone can verify if there are any back doors.

>>58448190

> So I'm going to ignore one of the most secure and free(as in freedom) operating systems because devs get their feelings hurt?

As I mentioned here >>58444527, it's not about feelings, it's that dealing with assholes is literally extra mental overhead.

If you feel like paying the asshole tax, go ahead and knock yourself out. I can't stop you from doing what you want.

But don't pretend like the asshole tax doesn't exist, and that it isn't a downside.

I have been told that watching anime on FreeBSD isn't as good as watching it on Lincux. How true is this?

>>58458827
How would it be true?

>>58458883
I don't know. That's why I asked...

>>58458926
Considering everything used to play anime (mpv, can't really think of anything else other than a vm, and there's plenty of those) exists in ports already or can be compiled because it's POSIX-compatible, that seems like a very difficult (read: nigh-impossible) claim to prove.

>>58447435
So PaX for Linux and BSD is a no-go?

>>58447435
Ya Dingus PaX isn't only ASLR it has alot more, also why don't you write a PoC if it's that easy.
I call your just spouting bs

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>>58443717
Do you really want make new bicycle instead of improving old one?
https://hardenedbsd.org/
https://wiki.freebsd.org/AddressSpaceLayoutRandomization

>>58460619
There is a PoC written already. Check out 2016 April blackhat in Asia. They've successfully broken PaX in under a few seconds.

Please quit before you're too far behind.

>>58433884
Using an OS that self proclaims it's great for networking over an OS that is actually proven to be best in networking. Man you've got to be fucking kidding me.

OpenBSD INTENTIONALLY starves modern nics of buffers because it's performance is so atrocious that they can't even handle gigabit speed without measurable overhead, let alone 100 gigabit like FreeBSD has in NASA. Worst part is they don't think it's a problem, and moreover have no idea what causes it. Correctness, as defined by how the OpenBSD developers like the definition. In translation, "OpenBSD is perfect, everything else sucks". Get over yourselves already and start actually working on something useful, like, I don't know, OpenSSH. Try to avoid the fucking vulns that seem to be coming out these days.

>>58461540
Shawn, as much as stubborn and refuses to accept the flaws of his implementation that were unaddressed, is open to someone else reopening the diff and updating it. He continuously expresses, that if someone wants to use his code and improve it, they can.

>>58456611
What does GTK have to do with BSD? Audio works just fine even with a vanilla X11 install.

>>58461834
I'm using it as my desktop OS, not my router OS. FreeBSD is an inferior desktop OS for the reasons explained in this thread.

I use FreeDOS. I think it's the best choice for a free and open OS.

>>58463760
FreeDOS crashed on me too often, and there's no good DOS documentation

>>58433884
>The default install needs tons of nonobvious configuration afterwards, too.
What are you talking about, it requires absolutely 0 configuration

>>58461834
Semi-related, did you see https://www.nas.nasa.gov/SC16/demos/demo9.html ?

>>58462153
I have to disagree, and I've been using it as both desktop, server and router os on different machines since 2001.

>>58464128
<OS> crashes on me too often, and there's no good <OS> documentation.

>>58465605
Well, it requires more configuration if you want more than what's available in the base system, but that's why the handbook, ports, and pkg exist.
I think people make this claim because they're used to Linux distributions coming with a full GUI and all those bells and whistles that are nice to have but aren't a requirement in a base system according to the philosophy behind the BSDs (although TrueOS breaks this philosophy, it more closely resembles a FreeBSD flavour than another BSD OS)

>>58467510
>Well, it requires more configuration if you want more than what's available in the base system, but that's why the handbook, ports, and pkg exist.
But that's the same with every linux distro, when you're done installing it you move on to installing whatever you need from the pkgs
And i think the installer asks you if you want a gui

>>58467583
Nah. bsdinstaller just allows you to pick docs, games, lib32, ports and src (they're optional parts of the base system) after which you select your mirror to grab the files from (if you use bootonly like you should), then allocate diskspace (newest version features full encrypted root on zfs with any number of disks and striping, mirroring or raidz1, z2 or z3) which you then commit and it does everything for you.
Then there's some post-installation tasks like setting a password, and configuring a network interface (including wifi, if your wifi nic is supported by GENERIC), setting your timezone and region/country along with letting you enable a few services like sshd, moused, ntpd and powerd and finally you add user(s). Final screen is a confirm screen to let you configure anything you missed, and then it's just a reboot and you're on a base system.


...I've done the install enough times to remember all that from memory.

>>58467650
I've installed it a lot of times but i don't actually remember this particular thing since it's pretty useless, i thought it asked you if you wanted X
Anyway, the user interface on bsd is pretty bad, not that it matters for a server os

>>58467676
What userinterface?

>>58451339
You're a retard, but I'm going to respond anyway so that anybody seeing your post doesn't get the incorrect impression that anything you said is remotely correct.

>runtime address randomization only protects against script kiddies

For one, script kiddies are 99.99% of the attackers any normal user is likely to encounter online, so this is ridiculous from the beginning.

>compile time address randomization is better
If you're autistic enough to wait 10 hours to compile chrome or firefox on your FreeBSD box, good for you I guess. Of course you'll also need to have a compiler that supports this, and the knowledge of how to enable it, neither of which is likely to be true for a normal user.

>[compile-time randomization is] vulnerable to information leakage

No shit, this is also required to bypass normal ASLR (as long as it's correctly implemented to be non-guessable).

So, if you are able to bypass normal ASLR using information leakage, then can also bypass compile-time randomization.