>Soon little children will know more about computer architecture

>>58417019
Sure

>>58417019
>implying computer architecture has something with CS
It's EE, not CS.

>>58417019

They won't.

They are just thaught who to """program'''''' them with meme bullshit like rust and node.js without ever having to know how a microprocessor works.

not really, japan is full of tech illiterates

and japanese students are even more afraid of being seen as or becoming code monkeys than western students

>>58418445

Then they will moan about Moore's law not keeping up with their horrible programming failures.

>>58417019
Not true because only autists and weaboos actually enjoy moe shit.

>>58418411
>computer architecture
>EE
It's CoE.

>>58418493

Both EEs and CpEs learn computer architecture.

>>58417019
>https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/RMFS60U6F3MJT/ref=cm_cr_getr_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=1593271905
>BACKGROUND: I spend a large part of my working day in a SQL Server database, so I have very strong database knowledge. My daughter is 9 years old and is a very strong reader, but could care less about how a computer actually works... as long as she can get to ClubPenguin.com or the other websites she likes to visit for fun.
>STORY: A friend loaned me this book to show her, so I gave it to her and asked her to try it. If she read the first 10 pages and it was boring, she should stop. If she liked it, she could keep it until she was done. She opened it on the spot and was 20 pages in before she realized she still was standing in the middle of our kitchen. One day later, she was finished and said it was "cool" and that she liked it.
>I asked her if she learned anything or if it was just a story and she started talking. She said a little bit and talked about tables and how information is stored in columns and rows. She talked in a 9 year old's language and vocabulary, but basically explained to me the concept and benefits of centralized data stored in a single database. She made a couple other comments whose specifics I can't remember, but clearly articulated database ideas. It was somewhat surreal hearing these things come from a 3rd grader's mouth. She didn't feel like she had learned very much. I told her I probably could count on my fingers how many people at my work (300 people total - manufacturing industry, not IT) knew more about databases than she did, based on what she had finished telling me.
>SUMMARY: She felt like she read a fun Manga-style story. In reality, she did that but also learned and retained ideas that normally would be taught to much older people. This book took what could be a dry learning experience and changed it into a fun activity no different than if she was reading her Nancy Drew books or her Lego magazines.

/g/ is fucked

>>58419056

k lol.

>>58419056
TOO LONG DID NOT READ

>>58419056
Kids learn new things really quickly.

>>58417019
No they won't.

Thank Apple for that.

Kids these days are morons.

>>58419056
> and then she got a shitty boyfriend and turned retarded just like all the rest.

Yawn

>>58417019
anyone who knows how to tell cisc and risc apart already knows more than the average C"""""""""""""""""""""""""""S"""""""""""""""""""" major on /g/

>>58419056

This >>58419157

I learned fluent italian by watching tv as a child. Ironically it was italian dubbed anime and its all I had to watch that was child friendly. I'm not Italian, so how I learnt it is beyond me because I had no knowledge of the language when I would watch these programs.

When I became a teenager I discovered anime was in fact not just your typical children's cartoons and that they were actually japanese. Started watching subbed anime and to this day I only have basic Japanese skills.

I should have learned japanese faster because I watched with subs, whereas when I was a child the italian dubs had no subtitles, they were meant for italian natives.

>tl;dr I learnt fluent italian from tv as a child at breakneck speed
>can't do the same after many years of japanese anime with subs to help, from teenager to adult

Kids learn quickly because to them absorbing information does not necessarily need to make sense or have real world use cases before it is placed in long term memory. They get that later when they grow and stuff starts to click.

>>58419056

Child labor laws mean we're still save for 9 more years.

>>58419514
How fluent?
Where do you live?

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>>58419338
A sad truth.

You know damn well they're thick as shit, some of them barely read. They can graze the fields and consume content thats about it.

>>58419693
Fluent enough to have conversations with Italians and they think I'm Italian. I even adopted the accent and shit.

Live in bongland, where I barely use Italian after I got my qualifications so it slowly is slipping away.

>>58419514
this is how I learned english at first, by the time I got english classes in school I already knew enough to not even botherwoth the class and pass easily

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I actually feel bad for anybody trying to get into CS or computer technology today because everything has been so infinitely abstracted away and none of the details are taught anymore.

I should be learning low-level C and building a basic OS right now in my university track, but they've already dumbed everything down to the point where a third of the class is "how to use linux" and the rest is "how to program in C coming from Java"

>>58420274
I don't know what your university is like, but mine had papers on operating systems, microprocessors and all that.

>>58420274
What shitty weenie hut jr college do you go to?

One of my 4000 courses last semester had me writing machine code and assembly. Another had me designing logic gate diagrams in the first month.

>>58420274

Are pointers considered low level C?
If no, then Im probably fucked

>>58420269
Its the best method, kids are entertained and they learn languages at an amazing rate.
10/10 would recommend everyone passes their time like this, I appreciate it so much now that I'm an adult and every skill is a godsend.

>>58420454
C's fucking easy anon

>>58420454
No, "high level" languages use pointers as well. Pointer arithmetic is a little more unique to C among high level languages if that's what you mean, but just pointers in general is an extremely basic CS concept.

>>58419056
This is why anime is illegal

Should I study CPE or is it useless?

Only company you could get a job is Intel

>office saws
Just what kind of name is that?

>>58419514
>I learned fluent italian by watching tv as a child. Ironically it was italian dubbed anime and its all I had to watch that was child friendly. I'm not Italian, so how I learnt it is beyond me because I had no knowledge of the language when I would watch these programs.

Language learning is different

>>58425421
How so? It's not like I watched or got lessons in babby steps to help me, it was straight into the deep end so it can't be that different to learning something beyond your level.

>>58417019
>books didn't exist in the early 2000s

>>58418411
>>58419088
>>58419351
$0.02 has been deposited into your account

>>58419719
Are you talking about /g/ or children?

>all the people saying "they" itt

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Thoughts?

>>58428958
I'm a pretty dumb ME and I can barely grasp programming

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>he doesn't know about computational science fields
>he thinks "real" scientists dont use computer science

>>58429244
for >>58428958

>tfw you are the product of apathetic teaching staff and absent parents
I am extremely dumb, but I can't learn.

>>58419056
>She opened it on the spot and was 20 pages in before she
But 20 pages of manga is like two and a half minutes of reading. Some people here could hold their breath that long.

>>58417019
Which icon on the ipad homescreen opens the youtube app you mean?
>>58419338 literally this.

>>58429244
>Thinks those arguments have anything to do with cs majors

>>58429228
ME is bottom of the food chain

>>58429413
Remember these are kids. Holding their attention for more than 20 seconds is already something of a miracle

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So it's like "But How Do It Know? - The Basic Principles of Computers for Everyone" but in manga format?

>>58428958
Thought: It's a bait picture by some butthurt mathie in /sci/ upset that his colleague went on to make hundreds of thousands of dollars because he could program.

>>58419516
In nearly every country in the western world, children are not forbade from being forced to work at their parents' business. All he needs to do is start an LLC.

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>>58429908
>it's impossible to learn to program if you don't take Java 1, Java 2, Java 3, Data Structures in Java 1, Data Structures in Java 2, Gui Design in Java, Algorithms, UML with Java, Advanced OOP in Java, Software Engineering in Java, Networking with Java, OS concepts in Java
>basically it's impossible to learn to program if you don't major in our ultra rigorous and difficult CS program

>>58430122
Spotted the butthurt mathie in question
>i-i'll learn computer science on my own eventually, then I'll be just as good as those plebs with their 200k jobs!!!

>>58419514
> tfw you will never have a powerful brain again and instead you're stuck with your slowly rotting brain
STEM CELLS BETTER FIX THIS
I wanna learn fast again ;_;

>>58430279
It's too late for us.
I'm leaching as much as I can get away with then killing myself.

>>58428951
>spilling your spaghetti because people are using indefinite pronouns

>>58428958
Computer science is applied mathematics.

>>58430122
Inb4 some retoid suggests bitshifting it

Also, whom are you quoting?

>>58430279
this sort of thing upsets me more than it should
i'm doomed to monolingualism forever
but not only that, but i was never properly taught maths. i've tried since and can't seem to get it

>As usual, it's a weeb spewing horrendous bullshit about something he knows nothing about

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>>58429908
>implying math/physics/engineering majors aren't hired all the fucking time to be coders
>implying a cs major will make you into a good programmer

top kek

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>>58430233
>It's like so hard to read books
>You need to have like an attention span greater than 15 seconds

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>>58430621

>>58430531
It pisses me off because u didn't take learning seriously until I was about 16 and wasted all those years in between. Fuck I would have learned all the math I would ever need by 13 if I would have known how hard it got by 30

>>58431155
I didnt*

>>58417019
>implying the target audience isn't the denizens of /g/

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>>58417019
Torrent where?

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Seems more like most little children will know less about computers than the previous two generations as all of their interaction consists of hunching over Leapfrogs on steroids and taking selfies with dog noses while complaining about their parents who buy them $600 Leapfrogs.

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>>58419056
>born too late to share computing classes with people like bill gates or stallman
>born too soon to share your computing classes with little girls who probably know more than you

>>58430507
>Computer science is applied mathematics.

Kek. Most CS majors don't even know what real asymptotic analysis looks like

>>58431848
Most ``CS" majors haven't taken a single course in computer science.

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>>58419056
/g/entooman on suicide watch

>>58431600
Pic related

>>58431433
It won't be out until March 2017

>>58418411
or software engineering if you attend the most memetic colleges

>>58417019
>left to right

>>58419514
Could possibly be from the difference in how the language is structured, chances are Italian resembles English more than Japanese.

>>58425574
https://www.littlepim.com/research-language-learning-kids/what-scientists-say/

>>58432588
What?

>>58419056
Why, because there will be less retards in the worlds who think that the database is a magic thing you put your data in?

Because more people understand the notion of data warehousing and data normalization?

Isn't this a good thing?
Doctors aren't sad when there are fewer diseases out there.

>>58430122
To be fair, my obvious sorting function has always been sorting via heap.

It's an obvious way to do things, if you know what a heap is.

If I had Java with almost no libs, and had to recreate them, I'd make a decent heap almost immediately and implement HeapSort in it.

Faster sorts could come later. HeapSort is not slow, and it's easy to get right.

>>58417019
I once came across the Electronics version and I was kinda impressed. It talked about a lot of stuff I didn't even learn until university, like BJTs

t. EE student

>>58433599
This always bugs me as well. My brother has one of these books for calculus I think and when I saw it was left to right I lost interest.

Thinking about buying one these books for my nephew he's 8 years old which one do you think I should by for him?

>>58418411
>Digital Logic
>CPU Architecture
If your CS degree didn't have this shit in it then you got ripped off.

>>58434515
What kind of shithole do you live in where they don't teach you this in high school?

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>>58431600
>born just in time to make fun books to teach little girls about technology

>>58417019
They read less and less every year so no.

Can't wait

>>58418450
keep using your hipster C++
>>58418445
Maybe people don't want to know how a microprocessor works? Maybe they don't want to be locked to a single CPU architecture? Maybe they just want to get work done?

>>58417019
Learning about computers at this point like learning how a wheel is made. All you need to know is that there are a bunch of people already doing it and soon there will be a bunch of robots doing it.

>>58418473
>this
tfw didn't know of The Manga Guide to Calculus before finishing the course

>>58418445
You're not >implying that learning C or even assembly would teach you how a microprocessor "works," are you?

Besides, the point of higher-level languages is to abstract away all the architectural details so that you can solve more complicated problems with as little effort as possible.

Pro tip: you can get your neuroplasticity back by taking LSD.

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>>58437922
those dubs made me investigate a little
There's some truth about that, but is it worth it?

>>58438150
Everyone in the silicon valley takes microdosages of lsd.

Not enough to trip, but enough to get them neurons firing

>>58417019
HOPEFULLY

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>>58437922
>Pro tip: you can get your neuroplasticity back by taking LSD
And being good to your body
>Nutrition
>Exercise
>READ

>>58438150
Magic Pill Thinking. Just take shrooms and get "enlightened" already

>>58438617
>just be yourself brah, just exercise and read brah and you'll totally reverse physical developments in your brain, just beliv in ur self
Ok mate.

I bet you believe in meditation too.

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>>58417019
not if Apple can do something about it

I feel like I would have learned a lot more in school if things were taught using cute anime girls

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>>58439444
Checked

>>58439444
You want textbooks with spongebob and the fairly odd parents teaching you geometry?

Because that's what you're asking.

>>58440057
>spongebob and the fairly odd parents
Those are not qt anime grills. All educational material should be produced in Japan and be weaboo approved before allowed to be used in schools.

>>58440097
>be reading US history: anime edition!
>japan did nothing wrong and US was the bad guy
but it's ok because it has cute shipgirls on the cover

Anime and Manga are typically aimed at teenagers and/or adults, in this case teenagers. In contemporary japanese culture, "cute" things are not strictly associated with children, and are understood to be enjoyed by all ages.

>>58440210
>implying that isn't correct
>implying the US didn't provoke Japan into pearl harbor by embargo of their gasoline
>implying so-called Japanese """war crimes""" weren't made up by pig Americans

>>58418450
Code monkey, office monkey, what's the difference?

>>58419514
after puberty, people are unable to learn any sounds foreign to its native tongue, ask any psychologist.

there's an evolutionary explanation: if you would be able to learn the made up words of your children, there couldn't exist a common language amongst a community.

>>58440300
You deserve thoses dubs

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>>58417019
Her pose reminds me of Phoenix Wright, I'd love to see "The Manga Guide to Using Mediumship to resolve a case"

>>58435147

Most CS' ""Computer Organization"" classes are half an intro to C, a third an into to baby first digital logic, and one sixth the most basic computer architecture concepts.

Can't wait until march, would pay for full early access

>>58417019
>mfw they're trying to use a hot grill as a cpu heatsink

>>58417019
I don't want to end up like mathurbator
>dat CPU architecture
>dat microcontrollers
>so fucking hot

>>58419514
You can't learn languages by watching TV as a child. Actual human input is always needed, no exceptions.
kys

>>58434459
>doctors actually care for people
lel

>>58430921
>CS
>reading
Shit, most of the students in my program can't even be arsed to read the code they copy-pasted from StackOverflow

>>58445042
Most do. Why do you think they work ridiculous hours willingly?

>>58445902

Depends, most doctors HATE fat people.

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This manga got my intention, and since it hasn't been released yet I thought I'd take a look at other volumes already released to see what I could expect. So I download The Manga Guide to Linear Algebra to see their way of explaining stuff. I know that the author from this and from Microprocessors isn't the same, but I figure since they share publishers and both follow a series both must have a similar level of quality. Let's see...

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>>58446915
KEK

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>>58442591
You got ripped off m8.

Mine was pretty much an intro into RISC architecture.

Our final project was to create our own mini processor that could interpret assembly.

>>58446985
Unless that was in Verilog/VHDL, that's not computer architecture.

>>58447063
Ye. It was VHDL.

>>58420454
you're fucked, m8.
search for Assembly, that's some low level shit, if you want to go lower, go pure binary like I do.

>>58446955
Linear Algebra is probably one of the very few actually useful in the real world algebra there is

>>58447143
Is this the 3D graphics math that I had such a hard time with when I attempted learning openGL?

>>58447182
Yes. Apply yourself, it's really not that hard.

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>>58447182
Pic related, is page 30 of the manga

>>58447418
Where did ya download it from?

>>58447438
not him, but here's the linear algebra one
https://my.mixtape.moe/vchitw.pdf

>>58447504
Thanks, mate.

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>>58419056
Sample size of one,
No evidence of long term information retention,
Knowing about something ≠ knowing how to do something
And lastly: taking anything on 4chan as fact is folly

>>58441836
>there's an evolutionary explanation: if you would be able to learn the made up words of your children, there couldn't exist a common language amongst a community.

No.

>>58447564
>trying this hard to discredit

>>58447143
>this is what brainlets believe.

>>58445757

Fail them

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>>58434515

The Japanese electronics one or the electricity?

There's a 'Manga Guide' for Statistics and another for Calculus.

Both are good, but the Linear Algebra one is the best.

>>58418445
>working for a telematic company
>all we do is programming in node
>our servers are written in node
>our privacy network is using node
Just how fucked are we?

>>58441836
>after puberty, people are unable to learn any sounds foreign to its native tongue, ask any psychologist.

Well this is bullshit because I learned how to say certain Arabic sounds in my early 20's with ease.

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>>58450206
Pic related

>>58451318
https://a.pomf.cat/opdbdv.pdf

>>58450339
Completely and tottally.
If you told me who the company was, I could bring it down in around a day or so.

>>58442591
im worried about my school. im starting this year and the first year is half learning java and half mysql. idk if its actually going to lead anywhere

where is the list of available books?

>>58419019
>EEs learn computer architecture

That's funny. Half the EEs I know couldn't program to save their life. Let alone describe how a computer works.

check bakabt for manga guides

>>58451966
no you couldn't

dumb faggot

>>58452899

t.dumb faggot*

Fixed that for you.

Of course it would be wonderful if this was the case, but people have been saying this since forever.
>Oh the future generations will understand more than the previous ones!
With the constant dumbing down of technology and waning attention spans, it's not the direction we're going.
Kids and teens nowadays can't focus on one subject for longer than 15 seconds at a time and that kills the ability to learn.
Throw in the mindset of instant gratification and you're set for a total failure.

>>58417019
No, it's just the next generation of "Hello world" being written in poorly thought-out HTML code.

awesome

>>58451318
I downloaded this one with the linear algebra one, they actually make learning this fun, but I'll need to take some notes if I want to remember all.

>>58417019
What is a good place to buy some of this mangas? amazon?

>>58452160
Mandatory sql class is cancer. You should be learning some form of discrete math in the first year or you won't be able to learn as much later

>>58452160
First year in Code monkeyS?

>>58438662
When bored, stoned, or rolling; ya I do.

>>58417019
>children being raised to know anything beyond tap, swipe and consume

Good one, OP.

>>58447143
Found the brainlet bait.

>>58447564
you weren't loved much eh?

>>58452160
Don't worry bro. The cyber is very important and any skill assets you learn will be put into use in the job market. It's the future. It's amazing what kids can do nowadays. My 12 year old son can open a browser and run a java game. It's mind-boggling.

>>58438662
>not believing scientific studies

Maybe try not being assholes and teaching kids about computers? Young kids especially want to mimic their peers. If your kids or nephews ask what you're doing on the computer, don't shoo them away.

>>58457724
At least you aren't addicted to benzos. Shit really destroys your brain and memory. Horrible for learning anything tech related. :(

>>58420454
Sure why not. The 'low level' stuff in C is mostly a bunch of domain specific garbage. Very few people need to know about signal handlers. Timer initializations. Writing to ports etc

>>58419056
Reading a book makes it possible for you to regurgitate knowledge, but without problem solving skills you are still left in the dust. Reading != doing, anyone knows that. That's why you should always report underage /g/tards thinks (s)he knows "all of C pls recommend me another programming language xD".

>>58458046
Addy+weed and I can get months of work/prep in a nights time. Smoke more then a Traz before 6:40a sleep

>>58420269
same here, born in Lebanon raised speaking Lebanese Arabic and French. I went into a French school but I grew up during the pokemon craze and played pokemon blue/gold and I watched Cartoon Network all the time. By the time I had my first English course at 12 I think, I was verifying everything by "how it sounded". The majority of my class did the same too since they also grew up watching CN and playing English games.

How bad is this compared to most BA CS programs? I know. lol. BA.
http://www.cs.fsu.edu/files/flow_chart/BACS_flowchart_20160520.pdf

If you had to, which path in the flowchart would you take?

>programs
I just google concepts as they come up while I work.
Worked great for me so far.

t. unemployed

>>58458411
>Assumes student will need to take Precalculus
>Assumes student will need to take College Algebra
>The Statistics course is College Algebra based
>No Calculus, Linear Algebra, or Numerical Analysis
>No Compilers, Theory of Computation, Networks, AI/ML, or even an Algorithm Design class

Jesus Fucking Christ

>>58455994
No Starch Press has it and on eary access https://twitter.com/nostarch/status/809190243408740354

>>58417019
I don't see a problem with this. Trying to limit someone's abilities solely because you're insecure is fucking stupid.

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>>58451876
HUH??

>>58459674
>HUH??
What? Something wrong?

>>58459746
I thought short wavelength meant higher frequency.

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>>58459674
>>58459746
>>58459762
fixed

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>>58459762
fixed

>>58417019
She looks like she's about to say "Objection!"

How a CPU Works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNN_tTXABUA

>>58417019
And if I read that manga too?

>>58462800

You will still lose to age-ism

>>58463449
That is a double-edged sword, and can be used on younger people too

>>58460151
>>58460155
I don't know who's better, if the first one or the guy with doubles

>>58463633
not in tech

>>58418473
>tfw little autists and weaboos will know more about how computers work than you

>>58463694
Well maybe but if I build a reputation then ageism won't work on me

>Office Sawa
kek

>>58437922
>>58438274
What's the right dose?

>>58452858
>Advanced browsing is not available for non-members

>>58452416
https://www.nostarch.com/catalog/manga

>>58431482
There's a LeapPad on her shoulder, it's an advance to their next manga"The Manga Guide to LeapPad"

>>58463732

If I need someone to code a Z80, I'll call you.

>>58458688
How does this look?

https://www.armstrong.edu/images/uploads/cs-it/CS_Typical_FourYear_Plan_06_18_2014.pdf?cachebuster:97

>>58419056
Manga guide to C when?

>>58464874
C is outdated, little girls will want to learn C++17

What would a manga guide to assembly look like?

>>58417019
Don't only nerds read Japanese comics?

>>58447418
>Stops at eigenvalues/vectors
>doesn't cover SVD, LU, QR
>dont remember if it covers elementary matrices or rotations
I almost got BTFO

The SQL one was pretty good though.

>>58465293
I'm sure they'll go great with threads and smart pointers

>>58464555
>starts in the spring
>still no algorithm design, linear algebra, compilers, PL theory, numerical *, * optimization, AI, etc
>3 courses on programming and OO instead of 1
>CSCI 3301‐UNIX and Web Development
>TWO 3 credit ethics courses
>no capstone

It's shit.

>>58440057
Uh no, he explicitly said cute anime girls.

>>58465834
>It's shit.
Alright, what kind of courses would I need to take to shore up the weaknesses?

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with so much talking about uni courses, can /g/ tell me what you think about mine, going into second year next month

http://www.documentos.una.ac.cr/bitstream/handle/unadocs/2793/24.pdf?sequence=1

>>58467989
might I well add, this is in Costa Rica, and thanks to good high school grades and having to move out of a shithole to be able to go to UNI
>Whole degree is free
>Uni gives me about 250 USD a month, here in Costa Rica thats a good amount of money
>as long as i pass 70% of courses each semester i keep my scholarship

sucks to study in the US