>encrypt a drive with a 45 character password and use an encryption

I don't plan to live until 65

>not encrypting your shit 3+ times over with different algorithms
wew lad

>>58413345
>live in UK
>have to decrypt data or I go to prison
>they don't even have to prove it's encrypted data

>>58413345
Google "statute of limitations"

In case they pass a law between then and now:
Google "ex post facto, law"

>>58413345

>he has never had his stuff seized by the police

The order is also for you to decrypt it retard.

Nothing.

Not being a pedophile is a good first step to avoiding this happening.

>>58413345
encryption is when you scramble data and use a password/key to reassemble it into a readable form

not my fault they literally assembled child porn

>>58413345
Statue of limitations. Every first world country has it.

>>58413410
brits can leave the thread, you're so laughable nothing you say is relevant to any other first-world country

>>58413438
This.

>>58413410
Tell them your data has become corrupted due to bit rot, they'll understand.

How it really works
>boom boom crash
>hands up pedo scum
>a-am I being detained
>"take his computer"
>"boss it's sticky"
>"you heard me officer"
>"yessir"
>computer gets taken
>get order to decrypt the computer
>"nuh-uh muh rights mothafucka"
>get thrown in jail and raped for being a pedo

How it really really works
They know its you by figuring out your for identity
They have been watching you for a while
One day you get a knock at your door.
You look through the peep hole and its just one guy. There's no cop cars and no sirens or any battering rams.
You open the door.
You are immediately detained.
You left your PC on and unlocked

>>58413345
Statute of Limitations

>>58413454
Reminder that Britain is no longer a first world country, but is a second world country

>>58413462
still go to prison, even if you was never given a decryption key you can go to prison

>>58413439
nice meme

>>58413438
>implying it's easy for pedophiles to get therapy

>not uploading your illegal shit on the cloud
Lmao'ing at your life

>>58413744
s/the cloud/another persons computer

>>58413633
How does that change anything?

>>58413410

>get sent to jail for increasing the entropy of the universe through metabolic processes thereby encoding information into the surroundings that cannot be deciphered by the government

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>>58413443
>statue of limitations
>statue

>>58413690
They moved to the Soviet block?

>>58413345
In 40 years the entire justice department and tech industry will be made up entirely of minorities and women thanks to affirmative action. I don't think you have anything to worry about in regards to technological advancement or people competently doing their jobs.

>>58413410
Not true. Stop reading tabloids.

>>58413345
>would take centuries to crack
>40 years later

Some problems here. First of all, you over estimated the strength of your cipher.

You will not get arrested because:
With few exceptions like spying and treason, crimes expire in some 20 years, depending on the country.

Police can't legally keep a copy of your hard drive if it's not evidence of a crime.
Since they can't tell what it is, they can't say it's an evidence of a crime.

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>feds seize my drive
>cant decrypt
>wait 50 years to crack it
>they find 1.8TB worth of rare memes, pepes, and smug anime faces
>"we reached the jackpot, boys" said the leader of the FBI
>get charged two years of community service for hording rare memes at the age of 74.

>>58413875
>Not true. Stop reading tabloids.
https://falkvinge.net/2012/07/12/in-the-uk-you-will-go-to-jail-not-just-for-encryption-but-for-astronomical-noise-too/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law

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>>58413849
i spat some of my coffee over my keyboard because of this

and some is still dripping out of my nose

>>58413345
>Ultimatelly troll them because they kept cp for 40 years
Worth it.

>>58413854

> I literally do not understand how the hiring process works.

kek

>>58413905
would be cool if the UK had signed the human rights charter and would stand by article 5 or 8

at least the USA can say they never officialy ratified them

>>58413427
SCOTUS ruled that forcing somebody to decrypt information under penalty of law is a violation of their 5th amendment right.

Proper encryption is future proof.

>>58413633
Standard procedures for police departments across the US is to unplug the computer to prevent data erasure and then a lab tech removes the storage devices and searches them with a lab computer.

>>58414113
To add: but the encryption usually isnt the weakest link.

>>58414087
There's an alleged pedo who is in prison right now because he won't give up his password. The FBI tracked him through freenet and his sister said he had pedo pics. He's in prison because people can be detained indefinitely if they are not charged with a crime.

>>58414036
It's not only the UK, every EU country have this shit.
Ironically only the US stand by these articles.

Just like freedom of speech, it's hard to call it freedom when your government have so many provision against it.

>>58413345
statute of limitations
/thread

>>58413413
This. The only thing is in some places if you fug a little girl you can be charged with it 20+ years later..
People like that should go to jail anyway, sickos.
>>58414118
Pretty sure this isn't true. I read in a training manual that they used to shut of power to houses before they raided them but since encryption became a thing they try to catch them with it mounted. There are even special tools to keep the power on while they transfer it to the lab.

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>>58413454
are you american?
do tell us more about your NSA

>>58414036
>>58414273
As much as we hear about corruption and persecution of activists/leakers in the US, we actually have some good politicians standing by our rights here. You don't hear much about them, but they're silently doing what they can.

In most or Europe, however, things are rather down the road of liberal-authoritarian cuckery. It's a good image of what the US would have turned into if Hillary Cunton got elected. Trump, though he has said he wants to crack down on hacking or whatever, probably will come out on the side of personal freedom.

>>58414358
For pedo shit? I doubt it.

>>58414438
>most of Europe
UK, Germany, Russia

That's it.

>>58414426
>Germany wearing Denmark as a little hat
Seems about right

>>58414399
>There are even special tools to keep the power on while they transfer it to the lab.
Batteries, I think they call them.

>>58414087

They're not forcing you, they're just keeping you in jail until you comply.

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>>58414552
>Used by law enforcement, military, other government agencies, and IT, HotPlug maintains power to a computer as it is transferred to another location.
you butt

>>58414438
Well "muh terrorism" is what's happening right now in Europe (Even though terrorists never actually used encryption).
But it's true that Europeans have been spineless for a long time, most people there don't give a shit about not being able to speak freely as long as nobody is offended.
Is that really different from the US though?

>>58414466
You forgot France.

>>58413438
Hanging pedophiles would also help desu.

>>58413742
>implying pedophiles are victims
wew lad

>>58414571
Oh Lord, batteries IN A BOX.

>>58414571
Doesn't that rely on the PC being connected to a power strip? What if I just have it connected directly to the wall socket?

>>58414578
Yeah, real, threatening terrorists don't need encryption. And if they use encryption, what makes you think the encrypted data will be stored anywhere within reach of government authorities?

Suicide bombers don't need a secure channel to communicate. It's not like anyone is actually carefully reading messages so they can see "detonate on 123 Sesame Street" and get there in time to stop it, anyway.

The only "threats" who use encryption on a regular basis are people like Assange or anyone contributing to Wikileaks. And these people aren't actually threatening anything except some wanker's political career, 9 times out of 10.

It's a feeble attempt to crack down on a real problem with a fake solution. They want to say they're accomplishing something without actually tightening border security and monitoring immigrants.

>>58414267
Source? Because keeping someone in jail without charging them is very illegal.

statute of limitations

>>58414685
https://youtu.be/erq4TO_a3z8?t=227

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>>58413345

>>58414740
https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2016/04/28/suspect-who-wont-decrypt-hard-drives-jailed-indefinitely/

He's talking about this case, I think.

>>58414118
[citation needed]

>>58413345

>What's preventing this from happening for all the people who depend on encryption for illegal activites?

Like with all Illegal Activities, don't get fucking caught in the first place?

>>58413504
I forgot the password, sir. Honestly- I forgot and don't remember the password for my hard drive.

>>58415249
my password was on the paper sir
>cannot find said paper

>>58415024
Well that's all kinds of bullshit.

>>58413345
don't be a fucking degenerate fuck
get some mental help
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeported

>>58415443
Pedos deserve it, really.

>>58415459
The problem is all they have to say is that you have pedo files on your computer when really the cops are just buttfrustrated because you called them donut munching piggies.

>40 years later
>computer tech has advanced massively
>police open case and crack drive within a few weeks

If it takes 40 years and a few weeks to crack the encryption 40 years and a few weeks from now that's not a very good outlook on technology and decryption potential.

Anybody having working modern technology 40 years from now and still having the same content stored on DESERVES to be busted, you bonehead.

>>58415459
I'm going to have to disagree, using the pedo witch hunt to erode basic liberties does nobody no good.

There is no evidence that he did anything wrong, and in US law, "Innocent until proven guilty" is pretty fucking important.

Frankly, justifying abuses of our basic rights just because somebody "deserves it" is disgusting. That's how they act in shitholes in Africa, not in civilized countries.

>>58415486
>you called them donut munching piggies.
Only a 12yo would call them that, grown up

>>58413345
I dunno about your country, but in mine, you can't get sued for a crime that happened 20 years ago.

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>>58413438
> anime image board
>>> liking anime
>>>>> not being a pedophile
LMAO F A M

>>58415531
>There is no evidence that he did anything wrong
But most people accused of that have some kind of precedent, like, ip logged downloading cp, someone saw a cp image on the pc before, etc.
Non-guilty people would gladly decrypt the drive and show the world they don't have said pizzas and then move one, only the real pedos would refuse to decrypt because, well, they are busted.

>>58415582
That's a really bad argument to be making. It's very easy to accuse somebody of having pedo pictures (or maybe even plant them) and fuck up their entire life. Maybe somebody like an estranged sister with anger issues.

There are plenty of reasons why somebody who is not guilty wouldn't want to decrypt their files.

Hell, even if they were guilty, preserving our fundamental rights and liberties is more important than catching a few pedos. "It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer" and all that jazz.

Because the raid doesn't happen until they've secured your 45 char password with the key logger planted in your boot partition/keyboard firmware. Or they installed a nasty exploit in your hard drive firmware. It copied all the files to hidden space on your drive you didn't even realize existed.

The point is, by the time they raid you, you're already toast. Otherwise, there wouldn't be a raid. Well, unless they were just being vindictive and trying to ruin you financially. Then they don't need evidence. They just file charges and let society do the rest.

>>58415614
>It's very easy to accuse somebody
Yeah, because police can force isp to fake server logs and shit right... oh wait!
>There are plenty of reasons why somebody who is not guilty wouldn't want to decrypt their files.
Like what? Coudln't think of anything unless you know, you're actually a pedo

>>58415670
>Yeah, because police can force isp to fake server logs and shit right... oh wait!
They don't need to do that.
>Like what?
Maybe they're a whistleblower, maybe they have corporate secrets on that hard drive that they don't want getting out, maybe they're just not comfortable with people finding out they're a furry, maybe they have evidence for some other, lesser crime.

There are plenty of reasons not wanting to decrypt your drive.

The most important reason, however, is because it's his right.

>>58415730
>maybe they have corporate secrets on that hard drive that they don't want getting out
Doesn't matter, they will only "see" the content of the drive, not copy it or risk being sued.
>finding out they're a furry
No one would gave a fuck
>have evidence for some other, lesser crime.
Then don't be a fucking criminal
>There are plenty of reasons not wanting to decrypt your drive.
You haven't posted even a single, logical one to begin with.

>>58415764
Just because you choose to dismiss an argument doesn't mean its not logical.

Look man, that's beside the point. Not even being suspected of murder-rape-genocide denies a person their basic rights, they're still innocent until proven guilty. There's no reason why being suspected of having disgusting pictures should suddenly make a person's rights go away.

That's not how the system works.

You feelings on this matters don't come into question. Nobody cares if you think somebody "deserves it."

>>58414740
You're a potential terrorist.
Congratulations, you just lost all of your rights.

>>58415787
I get your point about "muh privacy", but it ends when there is a precedent that points to the crime being commited, like that guy that got caught on surveillance camera doing upskirt photos with his phone and then refusing to decrypt it.

>>58415787
>he still belives in innocent until proven guilty

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>>58413690
More like third-world LOL

>>58414426
Funny coming from you, Europoor.

Do tell me more about Tempora and INDECT.

>>58415836
Sorry, but no. Even in your theoretical case, the suspect would be charged with a crime, the court still shouldn't be able to compel him to decrypt.

However, in the case linked above in this thread the argument doesn't even apply because the suspect wasn't even charged with a crime. That's the main point. They don't have ANY evidence to charge him with a crime. If they did, they'd have already charged him and then the debate could move into Fifth Amendment grounds.

Imagine if you went to a friend's party one day, and then when you left, he disappeared. A couple of days later the police come in, tell you that somebody saw you at that party, and then they put you in a cell until you tell them where the body is. So stuff like that doesn't happen, we have laws that prevent holding people without charging them of a crime.

Using "muh pedos", "think of the children" and "muh terrorists" to erode this system is the highest tier of bullshit and everyone should fight against it. Even if it means defending actual pedos and terrorists.

>>58415931
>Even in your theoretical case
https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2016/12/15/alleged-upskirter-ordered-to-hand-over-iphone-passcode-by-court/

>>58415966
Well, the case is not theoretical, doesn't change the rest of my post.

>>58415931
>They don't have ANY evidence to charge him with a crime
There is a precedent, like I said multiple times before:
>The government’s relying on the testimony of two witnesses. One was John Doe’s estranged sister, who claims that she looked at child abuse imagery with him on his computer
So, how can you prove that she was wrong? Decrypting the drive, but of course, he won't do that because he is a pedo. Proving my point.

>>58415990
Read my post again and respond to the actual points I'm making instead of whatever you feel like.

If the evidence is a strong as you say, why was he not charged with a crime? They are literally keeping a free man in jail unlawfully.

Do you also think they should be able to torture the information out of him? Because that is almost exactly what they're doing right now.

>>58413345

>best encryption money can buy
>airtight opsec
>your neighbor gets pissed off when you forgot to turn off your sprinkler after the rainstorm and it floods his yard and he reports you to The Authorities for creating a mosquito breeding ground
>they discover your gear and cannot figure out how to crack it
>they bring in a couple of cheeky chavs and give them a blow torch, baseball bat, pliers, and tire iron
>you 'crack' in less than 15 seconds

"I forgot my password."

>>58416031
>airtight opsec
>you 'crack'
Airtight opsec should include provisions to make it impossible for you to reveal the key under duress or torture.

>>58415931
>A couple of days later the police come in, tell you that somebody saw you at that party
Fucking retarded example, they would only take my statment and drove away, if anyone instead said "I saw them leaving together" then they could have a case, but otherwise your example is very poor.
>>58416017
>If the evidence is a strong as you say, why was he not charged with a crime?
But he is, obstruction of justice, and he will be obstructing the justice until he decrypt his shit.

>>58414740
Its called Contempt. Look it up on wikipedia

>>58416066
Look man, I'm tired of writing out the same points for you so this will be my last post.

He was not charged with a crime related to the investigation. He is simply being held in jail for contempt of the court.

What they are doing is akin to keeping someone in jail for "contempt" for refusing to write a confession.

Even if they had evidence that decrypting that drive would land that man in jail, they should not be able to force him to decrypt because the Fifth Amendment is a thing. Thats how the system works.

>>58416108
>He is simply being held in jail for contempt of the court.
Thanks for understanding, now you know that, if he weren't a pedo he could securely decrypt his drive and drove home like free man do. Shame of him being a pedo.

>>58413410
>commit crime for which the punishment is lifelong in prison
>encrypt it
>get thrown into prison for 5 years for not giving out the key
I can see this would still work

>>58416195
>Shame of him being a pedo.
Shame on you for hating America.

>>58416051
how?

>>58413820
Fucking kek :^)

>>58416108
This is a smart man that understand the wider picture and the implications of this situation.
>>58416195
This is not a smart man.

>>58416269
I dunno.

Fake password that deletes the keys? Dead-man's switch where you have to report in every 6 hours? A button you hit when you hear the "boom boom crash"? Some sort of AI agent that detects signs of intrusion or duress?

I dunno man, be creative.

>>58416332
*understands

>>58413388
Mixing cyphers is not advisable noooooob.

>>58413883
>Get convicted of something
>three years later cops finally crack your drive and slap you with additional charge
>cops can crack your encryption but are too inept to see that you never opened a file

>>58413345
The statue of limitations dawg.

>>58415764
> Doesn't matter, they will only "see" the content of the drive, not copy it or risk being sued.
> get raided
> no backups of potential evidence
lol
> No one would gave a fuck
> he doesn't know what fursecution is
LOL
> Then don't be a fucking criminal
> implying you don't break the law by downloading torrents, music, or a pirated copy of some software
LOLOL
> You haven't posted even a single, logical one to begin with.
HA HA HA, OH WOW

>>58413875
crimes don't expire, fuckhead. There is no set time, it's up to the police and public lobbying.

>>58413345
Better upgrade to a quantum-resistant algorithm before your local PD gets access to a quantum computer!

>>58416195
>Cops show up at 3 am.
>Ask you to inspect your house because a neighbor heard what appeared as kids screaming
>Have to comply like a good goy else get thrown in jail for obstruction of the law.

A similar situation in another context.

>>58416547
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_limitations#United_States

>>58413345
I use AES4096

>>58415670
>Like what? Coudln't think of anything unless you know, you're actually a pedo
>Nothing to hide, nothing to fear

Hohoho anon I really hope you're trolling or playing devil's advocate.

If not, what about this scenario: For the safety of our country, we're going to install cameras in every room in your house and they will record the video offsite, 24/7. If you're not doing anything wrong, surely this would be okay with you? And by your logic above, you already agree it's okay, don't you?

>>58415764
>conveniently ignoring THE FIRST THING he said, being a whistleblower

Alright you have to be trolling or playing devil's advocate, there's no way you're serious

>>58415931
>Even if it means defending actual pedos and terrorists.
*Especially* if it means defending actual pedos and terrorists. You couldn't name two groups more hated by the general public in the US. And it's FOR THAT REASON, that how they are treated needs to be kept in line with proper legal procedure.

Otherwise, you know what happens?
>This part of our population has caused some trouble before, we should monitor them more closely
>Well, while we're at it, let's start documenting them and keeping closer records on their families, their businesses, their possessions, and their communities
>In fact, perhaps we should require them to wear an identifying label in public. How about a gold star?
>They've caused so many problems, let's just group them up into manageable camps where we can keep them separate from the public
>You know what, let's just start getting rid of them since we already have them all here

There's that, you know, kind of important quote:
>First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
>Because I was not a Socialist.
>Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
>Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
>Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
>Because I was not a Jew.
>Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

If we "only go after the worst criminals" with these fundamental-right-breaking actions, it won't just stay at "only the worst".

>Pedophiles and terrorists, awful people, they should be locked up without a trial.
>Hmmm... murders are pretty bad too, we should through them in prison without a trial too
>Drunk drivers should be tossed in prison without a jury trial as well
>Thieves are unacceptable, they don't deserve a trial

It is fucking terrifying that there are people who think these hypothetical situations are a-okay because "well I don't break any laws!"

Good fucking lord.

>>58416066
>>58416078
>>58416108
Contempt is a valid reason to jail someone.

Contempt is *not* the same as invoking your 5th Amendment rights. Refusing to decrypt data is covered by (or at least, generally agreed to be covered by) the 5th Amendment.

>>58416332
This.

>>58413410

>live in australia
>police dont even bother checking your electronic devices because internet is so slow here no one would bother DLing illegal content and australians are too stupid to create their own illegal content

>>58414466
>implying there's anything relevant in europe outside of them

>>58413345

This is why privacy is so important.

>Browse 4chan.org over http because you don't know beter.
>Every thing you do is logged.
>40 years later.
>SJW rule the world.
>new rule: calling someone a fag is illegal.
>rule is enforced retro-actively.
>they look into the logs of your activity.
>you go to prison

>>58413345
Forget about your drive, what about the 40 years or so of collected and stored encrypted chat/voice conversations.

>go back in time and read everything
>charge for all crimes with no statute of limitations

>>58413345
>What's preventing this from happening for all the people who depend on encryption for illegal activites?
stature of limitation? most crimes have expiration date you know

>>58413345
Solution: Stop downloading and watching illegal content

If you get off to the suffering of others, you should be gassed immediately. Pedos don't deserve any sympathy. Fuck you.

It should be illegal to use encryption that the government can't decipher.
I propose:
a) citizens must share every cryptographic key with the government, computers and software must be designed to do that out of the box
b) to enforce it, the government monitors all Internet activity all the time. if they encounter unreadable data, you're disconnected immediately, raided and thrown into jail, no questions asked

>>58418582
isn't cheaper to ban internet?

>>58418608
Sure, but the Internet is useful.
You don't need to store all citizen traffic all the time, just make sure you could read it any time you wanted to

>>58418582
t. UK gov

>>58418621
>just make sure you could read it any time you wanted to
money gets stolen that way

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>40 years later
>it's legal anyways

>>58413742
Why would you want therapy for liking this?

>>58415572
Who is this semen demon?

>>58418686
Moot.

Why do the Brits let their government do this?

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>>58418704
Bullshit, this is moot.

>>58418704
>>58418722
who?

>>58413345
>40 years later
No, the NSA is already building their quantum computers

>>58418835
Quantum computing only halves symmetric cipher complexity

>>58418835

>2017
>some people still believe quantum computers will break all encryption.

>>58415508
Did you even read what he said you dumbass?
He said that the authorities stored the encrypted data, not that they would go back 40 years later and take the drive away again

>>58415508

You kinda fucked up reading there.

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>>58414818
that wouldn´t work with these plugs

>>58418555
It really disturbs me that people can't approach this situation with a level head and just jump to the "fuck pedophiles and fuck white people" shit.

Do you not realize how easily this could fuck anyone over for any reason?

All you'd have to do is piss off the wrong person by accident and then you get your ass arrested for eternity until you decrypt the files they think you have, except in reality they just decided to fuck you over because they can and you can't do shit about it. Oh yea and now everyone thinks your a pedophile too so there's no life to go back to anymore because fuck pedophiles and fuck white people.

This is 3rd world levels of bullshit and potential corruption.

>>58418555
Congratulations, downloading that torrent of that game that was only available in Japan and is no longer sold or mentioned and explicitly stated by the manufacturer to be sold and used ONLY in Japan is illegal.

Loli and countless other works are banned in Britain.


I'd rather a million children get raped than become China or Britain, because the former will surely happen as a result.

Fuck you.

>>58418634
lol

>>58418686
It's allegedly a picture of an Anon's sister while she was in middle school.

No sauce.

>>58418721
cuckd lol

>>58419281

It would with an adapter. You really think they don't have versions with different plugs for different countries?

>>58419444
the problem would not be the requirement of an adapter
the problem is the thing works by going between the plug and the socket and catching the pins with the battery
which is impossible with these type of sockets since they are filled out and to make enough space for something to be placed on the pins you´d have to pull it out so far that it looses contact

>>58419479
Uh.. no. That's not how it works at all. Look at the instructions in this image: >>58414571

It supplies power to a power bar by being plugged into a socket that normally doesn't receive power. It basically reverses the function of the socket it's plugged into so that the entire power bar can be unplugged from the wall.

>>58413345
>Charges dropped because they can't break into the drive
No, that's not how it works. You will be arrested simply for not providing the decryption key

>>58419479 >>58414818 >>58419498
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-G8sEYCOv-o

>>58419498
i was referring to the video where it explained how it works when something is plugged directly into the wall socket

>>58419511
>be arrested for having an unformatted drive

Unless they have proof that it's encrypted, it's indistinguishable from an unformatted drive; which I happen to have lying around because laziness. Same thing with unformatted partitions on a partially formatted drive; like my laptop, because 5400RPM is slow as fuck on the inside half of the platters.

>>58419540
You mean pulling the while socket out of the wall and splicing the wires? Completely bypasses the safety features in any socket. You can't beat this thing without a kill switch, G-sensor or dead-man's switch.

>>58419578
i honestly didn´t consider such things >>58419535

it´s quite the neat utility

>>58415670
1/10 made me reply
Make your bait spicier next time.

>>58417406
>You know what, let's just start getting rid of them since we already have them all here
cont.
>That new country that we've created fur them will sure not cause trouble upon the world!

>>58413345
By the time that happens, it will already be legal to fuck kids

>>58413345
VeraCrypt's hidden partition is your solution.

Say you create a 100GB encrypted file. When you try mounting it, you are prompted for a password. You have 2 passwords, one which grants you access to your encrypted files, and the other password grants you access to a hidden partition within the encrypted file. In the hidden part you can have your actual hidden files like company secrets, and in the outer part you can have your standard hidden files like pictures of an ex girlfriend or some fetishporn.

As long as you give away a password and they find something you'd want to hide, you'll be in the clear. The hidden partition is completely invisible.

https://veracrypt.codeplex.com/wikipage?title=Hidden%20Volume

>>58413345
Now this is podracing.

>>58420231
>500Gb HD
>give them password to outer partition
>100Gb storage space

You think the police is dumb to fall for that?
>inb4 headers will make it seem like it is a 500Gb partition
They can just copy over the data and they will get 100Gb of it. Then they will ask where the other 400Gb is.

>>58420273
The link I posted explains exactly that. Any unused space on a veracrypt partition will always be random data.

>>58420284
That wasn't what I said. Read my post again.

If you have a 500Gb HD. 400Gb is hidden partition, 100Gb is outer partition. You give the password to the outer partition. Cops copy over the outer partition and find there's only 100Gb of data. Then they ask you about the other 400Gb.

>>58420273
Billions of ultra-res images of dandoleons as filler

>>58420338
The other 400GB is unused data that has been scrambled by the encryption software. Literally just read the link.

> Even when the outer volume is mounted, it should be impossible to prove whether there is a hidden volume within it or not*, because free space on any VeraCrypt volume is always filled with random data when the volume is created** and no part of the (dismounted) hidden volume can be distinguished from random data

>>58420355
>The other 400GB is unused data that has been scrambled by the encryption software.

So the cops or whoever won't wonder why you have 400Gb of garbage?

I ask again, do you think the police are dumb and don't have people in their employ who are tech-literate and have never heard of VeraCrypt?

They'll just assume (correctly) the other 400Gb is encrypted and ask you for the decryption password for that. I mean VeraCrypt says what it does ON THEIR WEBSITE.

>hey, that guy is using veracrypt
>he gave us the password for the outer partition
>drats! we can't ask him again

>>58420351
>Billions of ultra-res images of dandoleons as filler
Something like that would work, not just random data.

>>58420467
The whole point is plausible deniability though. You can't prove there is a hidden partition, and you've already given up a password that let them find a bunch of shit that'd normally be hidden like nudes or fetish porn.

If this doesn't satisfy a court judge's warrant for your password, then you're probably already fucked.

>>58420467
>its an old HDD officer
>its got lots of bad sectors
>i never bothered to throw it out

>>58420467
>They'll just assume (correctly) the other 400Gb is encrypted and ask you for the decryption password for that. I mean VeraCrypt says what it does ON THEIR WEBSITE.
Because every hard drive they have ever seen is always full, right? Having free space literally means you are a pedo and you should be in jail.

>>58420487
>You can't prove there is a hidden partition
Yes, they can. By seeing you're using VeraCrypt and reading about what VeraCrypt does.

>If this doesn't satisfy a court judge's warrant for your password, then you're probably already fucked.
>implying investigations are about law satisfaction

>>58420500
>t. someone who has never been arrested, in court, or interacted with police
The scenarios you play in your head are not realistic and will never happen in the real world.

>>58420516
Then why does VeraCrypt 'scramble' the unused space and makes it look like garbage?

They won't see free space, they will see random data which they can assume (correctly) is encryption.

All you kids need to grow up and realize how serious and competent the police is. You've been lulled by the media into a false sense of confidence so you can make the mistakes you are making. They rely on you thinking you are invincible and unreachable because they know it is not true.

Example, the TSA at the airport can seize your laptops and hard drives without reason. So can border patrol. If you think you're protected by your constitution, think again.

2/3 of Americans live in a "constitution free" zone.

>The ACLU has documented numerous cases of abuse by Border Patrol and filed lawsuits to obtain more information about the agency's practices. Given Border Patrol's lack of transparency, and in the absence of any meaningful oversight, there is still much that we don't know about the full extent and impact of these interior "border enforcement" operations.

https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone

Literally wake the fuck up, you don't live in a movie world where "the good guys always win". You live in the real world where the bad guys always win. Always.

>>58420602
Best way to protect against this shit is to literally not have anything illegal on your computer. That's it.

Your thoughts are the only thing that is (currently) out of reach. That's the best encryption. Use it.

>>58420602
>Then why does VeraCrypt 'scramble' the unused space and makes it look like garbage?
This is how every encryption system works, not just Veracrypt. Creating any encrypted container starts by filling it with random data, which can't be distinguished from the actual encrypted contents.

>>58420652
>Creating any encrypted container starts by filling it with random data, which can't be distinguished from the actual encrypted contents.
Exactly. So the police will assume the whole 500Gb drive is full of encrypted data. And you can't prove that it isn't.

>>58420602
> can seize your laptops and hard drives without reason.
That's why you should store headers and encryption keys somewhere else. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deniable_encryption

>>58420707
> And you can't prove that it isn't.
Not his job to prove he's innocent.

>>58420786
But you lose all your data. Headers and encryption files are no good to you if there are no files to decrypt.

>>58420805
It's not about proving innocence. The charge isn't 'possession of encryption'. They assume (correctly) you have a hidden encrypted partition. It's up to you to show that you don't, until then they will ask you to provide the password for that hidden partition.

>>58420907
They could assume it incorrectly, too. If the hidden partition is not there, you (as the suspect) can't prove that it isn't there.

I have a drive for normal browsing and other for porn. Nothing ilegal, just shameful shit. If police were to call (and I had illegal files), I would just give them the casual drive and hide the porn drive. That's it. Just keep it clean and you're cool.

>>58413345

I've never understood why they increase encryption key size only incrementally.

Look at the hashes: 128-bit MD5 broke, so they moved to SHA-1, which is only slightly larger at 160 bits. Then 256 bits, and so forth. Same with encryption algorithms and keys.

The problem with the incremental approach is that computing speed increases exponentially, so they're only buying themselves a little more time each time.

> 45 character password

If security is really that important to someone, then why use such tiny passwords? If, let's say, every additional character buys you another 5 years of protection, then why not use a password length that corresponds to the number of years of protection you want?

>>58416066
No no, you're mixing things. Its innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until he proves he's innocent.

His sister said she saw CP on his computer. She has no proof. Its her word against his. He shouldn't be compelled based on her word. He should not have to decrypt his drive.

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>>58421322
This is why he shouldn't be in custody. It's he said she said with 0 physical evidence other than some self incrimination. If they were in Cali shed also be punished for admitting to having looked at it.the laws surrounding this kind of shit are ridiculous. Also lol at everyone thinking pedo=kiddie diddler when most aren't even pedos.

>>58413379
This

>>58420602
>Then why does VeraCrypt 'scramble' the unused space and makes it look like garbage?
>this will somehow cause police and courts to assume that there's encrypted data


>get a brand new hard drive, unused space is EXACTLY THAT, completely random scrambled data
>"Sir we have reason to believe you have CP on your PC, give us the encryption password"
>you: "B-b-but it's a new drive, I don't have anything on it!"
>"Take him away boys!"

Anon are you retarded? Unused space on hard drives is already garbled garbage. If what you're saying is true, then courts would be able to hold people for contempt for having *unused space* on their hard drives.

>>58422253
Isn't it zeros though, on new drives? I've never actually checked.

>>58421076
Anon, they would search your house inside and out and take every single computer you owned. You can't "hide a hard drive" under your pillow or something.

>>58422291
I was always under the impression that new hard drives just contain random bits, because I don't think there's a reason for them to take the time to specifically write 0s (or 1s) across an entire drive before shipping. Google is useless at the moment though, I can't find anything.

Besides, "I always fully erase hard drives when I get them because I like the peace of mind of knowing there's nothing harmful on the drive when I start using them." Scrambled data cannot be considered valid proof of encryption or, like I said, that means every drive anyone has ever bought "appears" to be encrypted. Which is ridiculous, of course.

>>58413454
A district court judge ordered a Colorado woman to decrypt her laptop so prosecutors can use the files against her in a criminal case: "I conclude that the Fifth Amendment is not implicated by requiring production of the unencrypted contents of the Toshiba Satellite M305 laptop computer," Colorado U.S. District Judge Robert Blackburn ruled on January 23, 2012.[30] In Commonwealth v. Gelfgatt,[31] the court ordered a suspect to decrypt his computer, citing exception to Fifth Amendment can be invoked because "an act of production does not involve testimonial communication"

In 40 years time pedophilia will be legalized. Capture this now. You know it to be true.

>>58422502
Pedophilia isn't illegal. It's considered a mental illness. Child abuse is illegal, and a large chunk of abusers aren't pedophiles.

>>58422449
However, in United States v. Doe, the United States Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit ruled on 24 February 2012 that forcing the decryption of one's laptop violates the Fifth Amendment.[33][34]
dude if your gonna copypasta the wiki atleast read it

>>58413345
50 char recommended minimum desu. words and spaces are OK.

>>58413345
>What's preventing this from happening for all the people who depend on encryption for illegal activites?

Statute of limitations.

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>>58413410
>>they don't even have to prove it's encrypted data

Decrypt this white noise on your hard drive or else...

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>>58413345
>Cops crash into my house
>push the igniting button in my tower.
>A mix of Glycerine and PP starts reaching over 1000°
>The thermite kicks in.
>As soon as the pigs get into my room, my tower has become heat destroyer of cheese.
>Nothing but a charred mess and a puddle of molten steel remains.

>>58415900
>3242
That person has definitely never been to Britain

>>58413443
Well, here in Burgerland, some SJW campaigns are trying to get the SoL removed from rape charges, which, in theory, cheese pizza on your hard drive could be considered evidence of. Doubtful, but possible.

>>58422654
decript this charred mess and puddle of molten steel remains or go to jail

>>58415900

I'm a Britfag and think this is hilarious. George Orwell was an optimist, if anything.

THIS IS ALL JUST WRONG

WRONG
WRONG
AND WRONG

it does not matter what's on your drive, how you encrypt it, password, any of that.
If they know you downloaded it, when you downloaded it, where you downloaded it, then they will also download it. Then take your shit computer, wipe it, throw on a random windows 7 image, and put the file in c:\secret_files_dont_look.

Look here judge and jury, here's the logs of her downloading it, and here it is on her computer!

Enjoy jail.

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>>58422654
"They take it up the ass [laughs, stands up, bends over, points to anus] This is only for taking a shit."

Based Mel

>>58414118
>store data in ram disk
>erased when computer is unplugged

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>>58422828

>Store data in ram
>Erased
Oh my sweet newfag

>>58422739
And to go farther, what if you have actually done nothing wrong? What if you don't even own a computer?

You see here, Mr Judge, this is the laptop that was brought by Mr Paul to the local library, here's the logs of the file being downloaded from the library Internet, and here is the logs from the library network tieing it to the Mac address of Mr Paul's laptop's wireless card. And look, here is the file, in his downloads folder, and here is the bit torrent client, with the file in it actively trying to distribute the illegal content to others.

>but I don't own a laptop and have never been to the library!

We have evidence of your DNA and finger prints on the laptop. And logs show your laptop being on the library network (planted evidence of course :^) )

>>58413345

updating their encryption mechanism

>>58413345
In 40y you could already be living in another planet...

>>58414399


naw, they will probably just bust down the door and start pouring LN2 on my computer, to try to keep the encryption keys preserved in ram, while the fuckers do a cold boot attack.

>>58421141
The issue with md5 isnt with its bit length, it's with its algorithm. It isn't cryptographically secure. Obviously increasing bit length is going to help with security, but that wasn't the deal breaker. Which isn't even really a deal breaker; md5 isnt an encryption scheme, it's a hashing scheme. It's not meant to keep sensitive data safe either, its intended to be quick and reliable to verifying data integrity. With that in mind, it would make a whole lot of sense as to why that not only would people not use it for security but also that it is not an actual problem.

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>>58422910
My Apple™ Macbook Pro® with Touch Bar does not have this problem.

>>58416351
Why?

>>58423231
ofc it does.

>>58413345
For me it's simply not watching child porn.

>>58413345
I guess you dont know how the law works moron

>>58423424
tell me how would you extract ram chips without desoldering them which obviously includes heat?

>>58422253
>Anon are you retarded? Unused space on hard drives is already garbled garbage.
>>58422369
>I was always under the impression that new hard drives just contain random bits

>calls others retarded
>doesn't know himself
>worries about encryption
>uses jewgle

You're the retard here, m8.

How was I able to find it using startpage? It's not zeros, but it's not random either. So there is a difference between a new hard drive's unused space and 'garbage'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_formatting#Transition_away_from_LLF

>>58423059
I doubt it. I've been raided before, all they did was put a mouse jigger in my laptop and take it to the lab.

>>58424561
could do something like have the machine lock/unmount encrypted volumes automatically when out of range of your AP (or another one nearby if you're somewhere else)
or some other kind of tether, just use something that doesn't change normally, but would if the machine was moved
doesn't have to be wireless either, you could have a script just check to see if your printer is plugged in to usb, which would likely be unplugged in a raid

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>God save the Queen
>Please take my passwords, Sir

>>58423581
legit talk i think you might have a point anon

>just dip the whole mobo in nitro

>>58413345
Statute of limitations

>>58416031
>you 'crack' in less than 15 seconds

>not having a cyanide capsule in your fake tooth

Why do people always overreact so massively at the idea someone might be a pedo? I mean, I get pedophilia is wrong, but people act like it's worse than murder, violent rape, eugenics, and the enslavement of entire races. Just hpw did people develop such a barbaric attitude towards what is, if never acted on, a minor ethical infringement. Obviously if someone actually diddles a kid it's more serious, but there are still far worse things a person could do. I'm not saying they did nothing wrong, but the mindset that all pedophiles need to be raped, hung, and raped again is incredibly hypocritical. Especially if said pedophile never actually touched a kid in their entire life. I also understand the emotional aspect of humans, but even accounting for that peoples reaction to pedophiles is extreme. Like, the government kills innocent women and children everyday, isn't that many magnitudes worse? People don't get so mad about that. I guess the right people do, but the population as a whole is indifferent to an objectively much more destructive infringement of human decency.

>>58426989
>not having a fake tooth in your cyanide capsule

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>government has finally been able to trace illegal files back to me
>break into my house, destroy everything
>can't crack my files
>drives protected with 10 feet of military grade anti-nuke armor
>password encrypted with over 17,000,000,000,000 codes
>codes protected by 100 super-human AI with protocol for any conceivable scenario
>get dragged down to the CIA headquarters
>about to be tortured into giving them the information
>they apply the 1,000 volt chair
>my body goes limp
>it's a remote controlled robot body which has a nuke imbedded in it should something go wrong
>it self destructs
>three times further than lunar orbit, my super space secret lair floats
>see a bright orange dot blossom on the surfacs of the planet
>smile and refill my glass with romulan ale
>mfw

>>58427272
Damn, Robbie, you really are rotten !

>>58427294
Why do you think I always hung around Stephanie?

How reliable is the windows cipher command? Or is there something more powerful for when the party van is at the door and you need to get rid of the cheese pizza traces asap?

>>58427067
I wouldn't say it's "wrong" as it's literally an unchosen sexual orientation that's also labeled mental illness without a cure (currently). What's also bad is that most people cannot get help, even if they did something like op is talking about some states will jail u.

>>58427448
When I used the word wrong I was referring to standard ethical views, not my own. You have to argue with people on their own ground, most people are not going to listen to you if you speak from the point of view that humans are insignificant and morals are merely a human construct with no objective basis in reality. I'm saying that according to the moral standards they allegedly adhere to, their behavior does not add up. It's like when someone practicing eugenics is unscientific about it. If you're going to maintain a certain genetic line, and destroy others, wouldn't it be in your interests to be as scientifically accurate as possible? But instead they will simply erroneously label certain races and genetic lines because they let their emotions get ahead of them. You have to argue with people and point out how their arguments are flawed from their own ideology. And yes, it's not "wrong", but even assuming it is based on their moral compasses, the way they react is grossly exaggerated.

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>encryption key stored on foreign server
>automatically deletes itself if not accessed every 2 hours using correct key

they will NEVER get my animes

>>58427793
>every 2 hours
How will you sleep numb nuts?

>>58427793
>implying they won't first spy the shit out of you and discover the server

>>58427858
ill access it through a vpn, and the server will have a warrant canary and be in a swiss bank or something

>>58427802
3 hours and you can use one of those sleep schedules where u just take small naps every few hours

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>>58413345
I expected this greentext to not end where it did
I expected this to end in a massively scaled up version of pic related being the only thing on the drive

The NSA is already doing this.

>>58428070
I've found my plan.

>>58427886
You don't seem to know how warrant canaries work. Or swiss banks for that matter.

>>58413345
the main thing preventing it is you would spit out the key after one night in jail you fucking nerd

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>>58430059
if the anti-pedo patroll tries to get a warrant or a subpoena to get the key in my server ill check the hourly updated canary and then delet all my animes

btw the server is inside the vault of a swiss bank account

>>58427317
>Stephanie is 25 now

>>58425404
>spend thousands making every door and window in my house a degausser

>>58415459
>>58415582
>>58415670
>>58415764
>Your rights end where my feelings begin.

>>58413345
There's a statute of limitations on that in America. If 40 years passed it'd be way too late for them to prosecute you for it.

>>58432774

I don't think 40 years are gonna pass. Anyway, they may tear down the statue of limitations to replace it with a taller one and you'd be fucked.

>inb4 that one other status about laws applied only after they're created

I'm pretty sure they can tear down that statue too.

>>58423581
well, in space people can cold weld so I assume they could cold solder too with the lack of oxygen

>>58433100
Well then, the only way is to have a shutdown script that fills memory with zeros or random data.

>>58425404
Good idea actually. Basically make any rare hardware change initiate your encryption protocols. Also create your own voice command you can shout to lock the computer.

To be real though, just store your illegal shit on a micro SD card and hide and encrypt it. Much easier.

>>58420338
They'll see 55.24GB of 500GB is used up, but they can't see that if they go above 100GB it will overwrite the other data.

>>58422369
>you can't hide your drive under a pillow

Ez
Just ask your normalfag friend to keep the encrypted drive. He wont even try to hax it.
Or hide it in a plastic bag in the streets, in an abandonned house or in the forest, and cross your fingers so a hobo doesn't find it.
You could even bury it in the garden, unless they carry metal detectors.

>>58434330
What about when you want to access the data?

>>58413504
lmao

>>58434364
This works if they send you a letter or something.
If it's a surprise raid... well fuck I haven't thought of that. You would need a hidden room in your home, with a laptop for the shady shit. The ol pedohole behind the bookshelf or a trapdoor in the basement.

>>58419535
>mouse jiggler

Isn't that readily defeated by software that would shut down the system whenever a USB device is inserted?

>>58418058
kek

>>58413345
crimes prescribe borther how you think that all those bastards goverment scamers get off without getting into jail? They strech the process intentionally long so when its time to land into jail and get anused they say "ups it prescribed" (onli works if you have money)

>>58434562
https://github.com/hephaest0s/usbkill

>>58434649
Naturally, it exists.

>get raided by police
>somehow they don't seize everything immediately
>they demand that I give them a computer the next day so that they can have something in their report
>boot into my laptop from a live usb
>delete shit i don't want them to see so that there are no logs left in the actual system, if there are logs of stuff being deleted they'd just seize everything I have, if they see the logs themselves were deleted they'd do the same
>they search the laptop, ask me some questions, and return it to me
>all sensitive data like passwords was encrypted and they didn't even ask me to decrypt anything
>get off scot-free

And you people act as if these guys are competent. They don't give a shit and even if they did they wouldn't be able to be effective in any capacity. That was when I was like 18 BTW. My opsec has increased thousandfold since then. If you're posting on here there's literally no way the cops will be able to pin anything on you unless they frame you with fake evidence for some reason.

>>58415670
>Yeah, because police can force isp to fake server logs and shit right... oh wait!

If these are as rock-solid as you claim then it should alone be enough to convict, correct?

>>58413438
>>58413504
>some dickhead with a grudge claims you have cp on your computer
>knows you like to fuck around with encrypted volumes
>reports you for cp
>police raid and seize
>demand all volumes be opened
>cant remember the password for a couple of them as there is literally nothing on them and you just forgot to delete them
>go to prison indefinitely until you open them, which is basically impossible at this point

No holes in these type of laws at all

>>58413438
This, if you don't want to go to prison for being a pedo then don't download cp you dumb degenerate.

>>58420467
>So the cops or whoever won't wonder why you have 400Gb of garbage?

>I ask again, do you think the police are dumb and don't have people in their employ who are tech-literate and have never heard of VeraCrypt?

>They'll just assume (correctly) the other 400Gb is encrypted and ask you for the decryption password for that. I mean VeraCrypt says what it does ON THEIR WEBSITE.

You don't fucking get it do you? IT LOOKS LIKE EMPTY, UNUSED SPACE. You know, space you were going to use later as you downloaded more fetish porn or whatever.

It's like assuming that somebody who has used half the capacity of their HDD has the other half encrypted with illegal shit. THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON THE LAW

>>58413345
>charges dropped because they can't break into the drive
In US they will keep you locked up until they do it or you tell them. Even if it's nothing, they let you go afterwards.

>>58420907
>They assume (correctly) you have a hidden encrypted partition

What if I actually don't have a hidden partition, and created a 500gb standard partition for some embarrassing but legal porn (that I've so far filled up with 100gb) and I they demand I open the hidden portion of a volume that doesn't exist? Remember, this scenario and the one with the hidden partition look EXACTLY to same to the authorities when they analyze the data. Now do you see why they can't just assume I there is a hidden partition?

>>58422654
Can he be any more based?

>>58434944
>In US they will keep you locked up until they do it or you tell them.

What if you legit forgot? You do life?

>>58413633
>scream "Am I being detained?"
>computer recognises voice command and starts emergency shutdown with memory wiping and whatnot, so no password recovery for you pigs
>pigs can't prove it was the voice command that initiated the shutdown, since the OS is encrypted

>>58413633
My mom told me never open door to strangers.

>>58413345
Has an encrypted drive ever successfully prevented someone being charged with child pornography offenses?

Don't they generally get enough evidence to convict before they raid and anything they pick up is bonus?

What would happen if you refuse to decrypt the drive? If they handed me the laptop so I can enter the password I would probably smash the fuck out of it.

>>58420500
Data is never truly removed from a drive when it is deleted, only when you forcefully zero it.

Thus, over the life of your drive, any "free" space will literally be filled with random data.

>>58435524
Of course first they will make a full copy of your disk and make you write a password a on a paper

>>58413388
> implying they won't be able to crack all the current major ones so many years later

You are just wasting I/O / cpu on it, son.

>>58435524
Contempt of court. Detained forever.

>>58435908
Unless some P = NP type math discovery is made it's not going to be cracked.
Even if moore's law if followed perfectly it won't even make 1% of difference in total time required to break encryption.

Your attacks would be better off attacking vulnerabilities and weaknesses of cryptographic libraries than the encryption itself. If the encryption is properly seeded and implemented you will never in your lifetime decrypt the data, unless there is an unexpected breakthrough in mathematics that completely negates all modern computer security.

>>58435975
Like quantum computers?

>>58435975
I know all this. Point does not change, you can't "future proof" any encryption or data.
If they store your shit long enough, it will get cracked.

>>58435524
You aren't required to give them the password or unlock it.
The 5th amendment protects you from that.

Now if your device is unlockable by fingerprint they can take your finger and press it on the device to unlock it, bypassing self incrimination.
So always keep part of the equation in your head if you want control over your data.

>>58435989
They can order you to unlock it. Refusal/inability is contempt of court and you're detained until you open it.

>>58435984
Except with modern encryption it takes longer than the age of the universe to decrypt.
Even if you calculate all the growth it's going to reduce that to still well over millions of years.

So no, unless there are flaws in the implementation or weak random numbers were used it's not going to happen.

>>58436014
Okay, so, which old encryption they did not crack?
As far as I am aware every old encryption got cracked with no exception.

>>58413742
In Germany its easy as fuck

>>58436014
Unless there is some core breakthrough like quantum computers?

>>58435979
>>58436029
very possible.

>>58427448
We have anecdotal evidence of cures, but the feds are too pussy to try them out. Something about "no medical use whatsoever mmmkay?"

>>58436023
Who is they and name one single encryption routine that has been broken completely.
WEP has been broken but that is only due to the fact the people who made it had no experience in cryptography and made many mistakes.

WPA is not broken and has been around for around 14 years.
Blowfish was created in 1993 and is nor broken.

Obviously using newer encryption routines is more secure than older ones but they don't just magically break because if they did new discoveries in mathematics would be made.
Some problems are inherently very difficult like calculating every single possible chess game or the traveling businessman problem.

>>58436139
DES?

>>58414399
Sometimes i imagine the secret service would raid my house. What would i do ?
Better: How to shut this fucking PC down AS fast as possible.
My Poweroff Shortcut is CTRL+End.
But i can't press that buttons when weapons are pointing at me. They wouldn't shoot at me, but i don't want to test it.
I could use a client side speak detection for common Raiding team shouts like ,,Hands Up" Or ,,Go away from that Desk" etc...
Another idea is a Bluetooth ring on my finger with a small button. I could press it easily while going down to the ground.

Have someone else ever thought about that ?

>>58436139
RC4

>>58436139
Enigma

>>58436159
>>58436210
Interesting. Yet some encryption routines around the same age still would give you decent security today.
So mixing two or three different modern encryption methods not only would tripple the workload, it would also potentially defend you from the possibility of a cipher being broken.

Keysize seems to be the reason for some being "broken". Technically they still work but the keys are so small you can bruteforce it in a reasonable ammount of time. Though like increasing a 32bit int to a 64bit int, increasing key size is an exponential gain.

32 bit: 2,147,483,647
64 bit: 9,223,372,036,854,775,807

So my argument is that with modern refined encryption libraries they seem to be getting harder and harder to break. Especially since key sizes are considerably massive today and cryptographically secure random numbers are available.

>>58416386
They can still charge you with possession

>>58436311
The Enigma machine was broken due to design flaws and not using cryptographically secure seeds.
It's a great example of such a strong encryption design but with poor random seed and a single tiny flaw it's completely exploitable.

Police aren't going to be cracking things like that though. If criminals used the enigma machine I doubt their messages would be broken. So technically if the NSA wanted your data hard enough and you had any flaw in your encryption they could break it but it would take time and resources and that data would have to have some significant value.

I wonder now, what is the weakest encryption you could get away keeping police out of? Do you think they would notice something as laughable as a Rot13? Do they even try to break the encryption? Do they send it to security experts and contract them to crack it?

>>58433100
>well, in space people can cold weld so I assume they could cold solder too with the lack of oxygen


Do you even know what these words mean?

>>58423581
Who needs to extract the ram chips? Just freeze the chips and grind the traces on the board then you can tap wires onto the traces.
Have you ever reverse engineered hardware before you fucking pleb?

>be me
>be mactoddler
>encrypt HDD with muh dick
>suddenly my mom wants to throw my laptop into the pool for my sister
>bepis thread
>what a time to be alive

>>58436586
Well - source of water
in - TDL of India
space -
people - humans that aren't black
can - the place where baked beans from
cold - a revolver
weld - we lold
so - south
I - eye
assume - ass you me ;-)

>>58417970
Can confirm that this is true

I'm ESTIMATED to get NBN this month though so everything might change
>finally get NBN
>buy 100mb/s unlimited package with ISP because it's the same fucking price we pay for 300GB of 10mb/s atm
>probably will never get 100mb/s
>hopefully can sustain above 30mb/s and I'll be happy

Why is our government so fucking retarded? You'll have to build fibre at some point, why not get it over and done with cunt, fuck

>>58413345
Easy
My drives won't live 40 years and would be destroyed after they get seized

>>58413345
>Computer tech advanced massively in 40 years
Stopped reading right there