Is this the start of the end for interesting CPU refreshes?

>>58380154
The beginning of the end was in 2009. Personal Computers are no longer interesting or culturally relevant.

>>58380336
PC gaming seems a lot more relevant now than it did back in 2009.

>>58380154
For AMD yes.

For intel, this is the second most disappointing release since the pentium 4

>>58380397
Popular, but not relevant.

Glad I didnt wait on kaby lake before buying a new computer like I intented to.

>>58380154
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8631/globalfoundries-acquires-ibms-semiconductor-manufacturing-business-ibm-bows-out
http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/47301.wss
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-zen-10nm-7nm-intel,32619.html
http://www.globalfoundries.com/newsroom/press-releases/2016/09/14/globalfoundries-extends-roadmap-to-deliver-industry-s-leading-performance-offering-of-7nm-finfet-technology

AMD's Zen+ architecture will be fabbed on IBM's 7nm SOI FinFET now run by Global Foundries.
If you think AMD isn't going to shake up the computing world you're simply clueless.

>>58380468
>tfw I might actually buy an Ayyyyymd processor

What a time to be alive.

>>58380483
It's like you were dead during Athlon64 era.

>>58380506
I was using an iMac, probably.

>>58380517
Fag. Literally.

>>58380506
He was probably too young to remember it, most of 4chan were probably 10 or under when Core 2 released and effectively dethroned AMD for the next decade

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>>58380533
I got better.

>>58380436
Relevant to what, you?

>>58380154
AMD is about to show something, no one knows if its good or bad.

Intel has no need to release new stuff.

>>58380657
To most gamedevs.

>>58380468
It says here that they plan to release 7nm at some point. There's no way they're announcing 7nm this year.

>>58380676
>There's no way they're announcing 7nm this year.
Nowhere was this even remotely implied.
Zen based parts are launching this year, and are 14nm LPP.
Zen+ is likely 2019.

>>58380436
define relevant

>>58380535
not really dethroned, you make it sound like intel did not completely ass rape intel through monopoly practices.

>>58380663
we have seen enough to know its interesting, for many its a better option than an i7, all that's left is the price and if its worth what they ask.

realistically, we're kind of at a software/hardware stand still anyways. gaming can't go anywhere til the consoles catch up, and quality VR programming requires a stupid powerful rig to create something similar to current AAA games.

and modern macbooks can run any sort of design programs, so can any PC with a 6700k and a 1080.

so what are we really looking for?

(and this question goes towards the people who were mad about the 1080ti)

>>58380397
Only because it was already dead in 2009.

PC gaming died in the late 2000s. Now it's nothing but free2play shit, console ports and indies.

>>58380154
cpu refreshes have been trash since ivy bridge

>>58382715
Haswell refresh was good.

>>58380436
Super relevant though. Aren't vidya a big reason for Intel and AMD to push for better CPUs?

>>58382426
you're full of shit
>Bannerlord coming
>just played Legend of Grimrock 1 and 2, PC exclusives and damn great dungeon crawlers

>>58382749
what was better about haswell than ivy bridge? ipc gain was minimal, graphics were still shit and battery life got a little better

i mean shit, the refreshes have really been shit since sandy bridge. that was the last big performance improvement

>>58382837
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9483/intel-skylake-review-6700k-6600k-ddr4-ddr3-ipc-6th-generation/9

Haswell was the single biggest uplift intel brought in years. Though the Devil's Canyon refresh was basically nothing but slightly higher clocks and meme marketing aimed at teenagers.

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Intel has Indium-Gallium Arsenide slated for 2019. That's only 2 years away?

So... that's one cycle away. Must suck to be the team working on the last silicon cycle kek.

Other foundries also have III-V solutions (silicon relacement utilizing elements from groups III and V on the periodic table) coming. All you really need to know though is that they allow faster switching speeds which means more GHz. So CPUs will get a lot faster, if not gen1, then eventually.

>tfw 1THz optical CPUs will exist in your timeline

>>58383016
Intel has nothing but their bulk 10nm Trigate FinFET process on the horizon, anon.
2018 desktop platform is 14nm Coffee Lake.
Late 2017 is Cannonlake mobile launch.
We won't get desktop Cannonlake until 2019.
There is another 10nm refresh after Cannonlake.

They will be on 10nm bulk silicon until 2020.

Also III-V materials do not guarantee higher clocks, there is far more to getting an IC as complex as an X86 CPU to clock to 5ghz than process alone. If intel wanted to forego scaling down to mobile SKUs, they could tailor a process to ship 5ghz+ factory chips, they don't need a new substrate to do it.

>>58382976
hmm, okay, mustve not remembered that right then. still, though, there really havent been any gamechanging refreshes for years

>>58383077

Intel changes their roadmap all the time. Plus a lot of what you are saying is pootech fake news based on fake slides.

Intel employees have stated they want to switch materials as soon as it's ready. A major component in the new process flow is the use of EUV and Intel already paid for a ton of EUV machines. They will want those machines to start paying themselves off ASAP.

>>58383249
> Plus a lot of what you are saying is pootech fake news based on fake slides.
No, its not, not at all.
Intel's 10nm ramp will be exactly like their 14nm ramp. Lowest power mobile SKUs as a pipe clear while they try to tune the process and ramp up yields on higher power chips.

Intel's statements on new materials have been nothing concrete, other than the fact that they were looking into them for future nodes. The same presentation, the same slide even, also showed GAAs as a possibility for their immediate future.

Calling things fake news makes you sound like a brain washed faggot by the way.

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>>58383319

>believes currytech
>calls others brainwashed faggots

>>58383353
Umm...Act mature please, thank you

>>58383353
Nothing I posted is from wccftech, and your infantile shitposting is proof you're too dumb to be part of this conversation.

Back in 2015 Kryzanich stated in an investor call that Cannonlake was being pushed back to 2H 2017. This was after it was originally slated for a 2016 release. Cannonlake is officially delayed, it was delayed 2 years ago now. The official word is still 2H, and its looking more and more like late Q3 to Q4, and it is for low power mobile SKUs.
The reason for the delay was process issues. This is straight from Kryzanich's mouth. Desktop Cannonlake is not coming. The only reason why we got Kaby Lake for desktop in 2017 was because of Cannonlake's original delay.

You will get Coffee Lake in 2018.
You will get desktop Coffee Lake in 2019.
You will get a 10nm refresh after that.

Their 10nm process is having issues exactly like their 14nm, the same 14nm process they originally brought online back in 2014, that they will continue using into 2018.
intel's 10nm process is bulk silicon. They have no new III-V substrate process in their immediate future.

>>58380517
Well you missed AMD completely dominating for nearly 10 years.