Why hasn't C, C++, C#, java and other shit languages, been

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trying too hard

sage

>>58355512
sage

>>58355512
Everyone knows you're a shitty developer when you think theres such a thing as a "best" language, instead of spending the week or so to pick up the language that is best for the given task

>>58355555
Why learn other languages when you can just use NPM to integrate that functionnality in the language of the GODS?

>>58355512
You are stupid. Javascript is fucking gross. Can't wait for web assembly

>>58355610
Stop playing into intel/amd/arm's cartel that try to bring barf-inducing compiled languages in the blessed area that is the cloud.

Oh boy another JS bait thread

>>58355512
Javascript is run directly on the CPU just the same way as C# is run directly on the CPU

>>58356131
Yes,but unfortunately you need an interpreter such as node.js or the cursed V8 when you want to run the texts of the gods

The heathen CPU manufacturers forbids runing holy text directly on metal.

>>58356154
It runs directly on CPU after being compiled to machine code, just like C# and similar to C and C++. You need a compiler for every language to run it on the CPU - this does not make Javascript any different from languages you listed..

>>58356179
The compilation conspiracy is a myth perpetrated by the perverse CPU industry, a true JS cpu will come, and save us all from the cancer that is compiled languages.

>>58355555
This. It's nice to see sensible thinking on/g/

>>58355512
>Javascript
>good
3 years ago I might have agreed with you. But not anymore.

JavaScript and the web frameworks have ended up being the biggest programming clusterfuck that I know of. What's worse is the mentality among JavaScript "developers" that stacking frameworks, single-function-libraries, hip-and-untested "languages" that compile down to JavaScript is somehow sane and normal.

Fuck JavaScript and the web frameworks. I don't think even the worst haters of JavaScript could have predicted how bad things would end up.

In the meantime other languages evolved. Especially C++11 is so good offering zero cost abstractions across the whole stack, allowing to use C++ as low-level or high-level as you want.

Bring on web assembly so the web will either die or live but in anycase JavaScript and the "community" build around it will be no more.

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>>58356222
Amen, brother.

>>58358921
Yeah, I hate the proliferation of frameworks too. But that has nothing to do with the quality of the vanilla language.

Nobody, but your employer can force you to use a framework, but well employers can ask you to do the most retarded things.

>hahahha what the fuck is an integer. why would anyone need anything but a number, which is both an integer and a float?
>assigning this to a local variable which is used in an inline function is obviously a good practice which should be enforced
>who the fuck needs the level of performance of C or even Java

>>58358921
What the fuck is web assembly?

>>58361166
>>hahahha what the fuck is an integer. why would anyone need anything but a number, which is both an integer and a float?

Of all of Eich's errors, this one and (typeof null == "object") are the two that are just the most blindly fucking stupid.

Eich added all those automatic promotion rules (like (3 * "2" == 6)), yet he couldn't be arsed to add just one more promotion rule for int to float.

Of course, Eich originally wanted JavaScript to be similar to Lisp, but the Mozilla execs told him no. So I'm not particularly surprised at his poor judgment in designing JavaScript.

>>58361377
in what case would typeof null being object matter? Isn't object basically equivalent to pointer?

I usually try to avoid reflection when coding, so I've never run into this.

>I only barely managed to learn one language and now I pretend it the best for everything because I'm scared I can't learn any other language.

>>58361299
Ok so I read the wikipedia article but too drunk to understand. So basically it's either bytecode shit like java or shotgunned security hole shit that will never gain popularity. But hey at least it's diffrenet!

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Why is JS outside of browsers even a thing? It's absolutely fucking disgusting. Have fun with your slow ass dynamic typing, cancerous syntax and meme frameworks.

Really though, try doing anything slightly technical with JS and you'll want to kill yourself. Even if you figure out how to solve large sets of simultaneous equations with JS, it will be so slow you'll probably be dead before it's finished running. Of course, I don't expect you to even know what linear algebra is since you're just a lowly street shitting web dev plebian.

If all you can use is JS, please refrain from writing any code. Ever.

>>58356131
And yet it's still nowhere near half as fast as C# because of dynamic typing amongst other things. What's with all these web devs acting like software engineers? Gtfo and go back to your home town of Bangalore.

>>58362841
What do you think is wrong with JS's syntax?

>slow ass dynamic typing
Yes, dynamic typing sucks but speed isn't a problem in the case of JS

>>58363043
>speed isn't a problem
OP thinks JS should be used for everything. Would you use any dynamically typed language for high performance code? If the answer is yes, you need to go back to school.

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Because it's objectively a garbage language.

>>58361166
>both an integer and a float
There are ways to do this right, and then there's Javascript.
I must be careful to not break this desk with my head.

>>58363193
>There are ways to do this right
I can't imagine any way to do this right, apart from separating float and integer. accidentally using in in place of the other is very dangerous.

>>58363043
Speed isn't even the worst part of dynamic typing. Debugging large dynamically typed systems is a nightmare.

>>58362841
And he takes the bait

>>58355555
Well,

Quints

>>58356179
C# = bytecode
Way easier to reverse engineer than compiled

>>58363147
Can someone explain how something like this even gained popularity? What the hell happened?

>>58361299

Web Developer Killer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebAssembly

Better than WASM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asm.js

>>58363644
Same reason PHP got popular.
If you're an idiot then these kind of errors pop up and you don't understand why, and then you just bang your head against the wall and eventually find out a "way of doing it" that works.

>>58355512
Performance

>>58355512
>"unconventionnal" CPUs that can run the mighty language that is JS natively
Is there even a "bytecode" form of Javascript? Because if not, Javascript is just text, and no processor can execute it natively, unless you somehow implement an entire JS interpreter in hardware, which is just plain ridiculous, and you'd still need some sort of actual low-level underlying instruction set for the hardware interpreter to interpret to.

>>58356131
Daily remember than C# is a form of assembly language since it's trivial to translate to MSIL.

>>58361377
Javascript still pretty much has Lisp semantics, even though it uses C syntax. That's why it supports eval(), partial function application, and the ability for functions to generate other functions at runtime. However, I do find it's lack of built-in bignum support to be a pretty major deficiency compared to actual modern Lisp implementations.

>>58362841
JS seems to be faster than Python at least. It's an interpreted language, speed isn't supposed to be the priority. A bigger problem in my experience is the undersized stack - recursive functions in JS don't scale very well at all.

>>58363109
Assembly, the fastest language there is, is arguably dynamically typed.

>>58363827
>asm
>dynamically typed
Dynamic typing and static type inferencing are two entirely different things.

>>58362841
You can actually use web workers if you want some sort of multithreading for more intense computation that will not block your current UI rendering.

For backend, well, it is possible to write add-ons for Node in C++. So, yeah I know this sounds retarded, but if compute-intensive tasks are needed there are ways to make this possible. Admittedly there aren't built-in ways to make JS capable of compute-intensive tasks (except for web workers and typed arrays, but that's still not enough).

>>58364436
C++ has static type inference, asm doesn't.

>>58363147
You should learn type conversion rules.

>'5' ++ '5'
>'foo' ++ 'foo'
>'5' +-+--- ....
What's the practical use case for this? Let's test some odd expressions?

>var x * 3;
Syntax error. You didn't define x.

>5' + x - x
>'5' - x + x
Returns NaN (with x declared but not defined). You can't even properly test in the console.

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>>58355555

>>58358921
These frameworks are a killer. They are rapidly developed, poorly planned and their documentation is subpar. Unfortunately, for most teams and developers there is no alternative but to use them. I have projects at work that need to be cranked out and I'm not going to rewrite Bootstrap so that my front end is responsive. I just do not have the time or skillset for that.

Additionally, JavaScript doesn't lend itself well to enterprise application development. Enterprises usually have large teams of mediocre programmers (myself included) and with strong OOP languages like Java and C#, the language helps us make reasonably maintainable and not too dangerous software. That's why I've been pushing my team to TypeScript over the last few months. We're about to start building out some new things with it and hopefully our ineptitude won't hurt us as much as it hurts us when we use standard JavaScript.

>>58355512
Thanks for the keklund just before I head to sleep, but I'm not going to bun pin your thread. You need to learn to be more subtle. Still a tame keklund before sleep is not to be sneezed at.

>>58355555
Yes, this is what's wrong with OP's post.

Lmfao. This is even better bait than OP.