IT'S OVER INTEL IS FINISHED Source: http://www.hardwar

>>58354896
>smeared_turd.jpg

>>58354910
>>58354916
eehehe memes

Legit hype, even though I'm on the 1151 platform Zen performing well might drive down prices

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>>58354896
At least directly link the tweet instead of posting wccftech.
Linking to currytech should be an instant perma ban here.

https://twitter.com/CPCHardware/status/817044837358780416

>ayymd goes to 3.9 overclocked
>intel does 4.5 stock

HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>58354940
DELETTTTT

>clocks up to 4ghz
>still can't beat the i5 6600 in game performance

>>58354963
not with 8 cores you dumb shit

>>58354963
Are you just retarded or just desperate at this point?

>>58354980
>on a 3GHz French engineering sample with no drivers and a preproduction motherboard

Uhhh, THIS ISN'T REAL

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>>58354989
>>58354999
I PUSH MY FINGERS INTO MY EYES

>>58355021
>Prescott Lake babies will defend Intel anyways

>>58354940
Some people noted that the 3.4ghz engineering sampled used in the New Horizon event was over volted. The chip was pulling 93w under load. Its actually not at all unexpected to see clocks increase a bit more.

I'm not sure if they'll keep pushing for higher clocks before the initial release, but I absolutely expect a 4ghz base clock 8c/16t chip to come out eventually. With base clocks this high theres no way that they're radically far outside of the sweet spot in clocks per volt.
This also means that Zen now slaughters Excavator in energy per clock. The Excavator module takes 16w to hit 3.5ghz, 3.15ghz is 10w.
Zen is hitting 3.6ghz at 10w per core.

the performance of these when underclocked/under volted will be crazy. Probably 65w at 3ghz, probably 2.5ghz or higher at 45w.

>>58355011
3.15ghz base clock to be exact, and it was only about 10% behind the i7 6900k in the games that CanardPC tested.
Blase clock is now over 10% higher, and max turbo is nearly 20% higher.

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Kek, Broadwell IPC (outside of AVX) at a much higher clock and lower power, unless Skylake/Kabylake-X is a monster Intel just surrendered a market.

>>58355046
>Kaby Lake does 4.5 ghz stock
>Rayjeet Zeen does 3.9 overclocked

Ayymd BTFO again

>>58355080
>Skylake/Kabylake-X

Moar coarz, that's how Intel will compete with these two.
Which is nice because more cheaper cores is a great prospect.

>>58355043
What is this trying to show?

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>>58355078
>Blase clock is now over 10% higher, and max turbo is nearly 20% higher.
>still can't beat the i5 6600

>>58355080
Intel legitimately thought AMD could only threaten their low end chips. Kaby Lake's low end options were actually a panic play by Intel. How else do you explain a hyperthreading Pentiums and unlocked i3s?

But they didn't take similar steps at the high end and it's going to burn them.

>>58355103
8 core ryzen chips aren't competing against mainstream intel chips you retard

>>58355103
You realize these are 8 core chips, correct? Intel doesn't have that.

>>58355116
Not like it matters, with those clocks they'll still slaughter them.

>>58355111
>How else do you explain a hyperthreading Pentiums and unlocked i3s?
Intel gave you a nice gift for Christmas :=)

>>58355137
Competing

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>>58354896
Vega is Huge! Huge!

>reality denying frogposters ITT

Oh I'm laughing my ass off right now.
Is that the best Little Blue bux can do? Greentext and frogposting?

>>58354896
I hope AMD will remove the PSP in this new microarch, then I have one less reason to hate x86.

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>yfw the i5 equivalent Zen will have 4 hyperthreaded cores
>with competitive clocks and IPC

>>58355043
>198W
Is this even safe?

>>58355155
that's a big GPU

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>>58355137
Top end Broadwell-E only hits 3.8ghz on a single core, and has a 140w TDP.
Poor little intel. Can't even compete with AMD and Samsung/GloFo's "low power" process.

>>58355155
>According to the report from TechReport who got to thoroughly test the Vega sample with 8 GB VRAM in DOOM, this specific sample is somewhere in between the GTX 1070 and GTX 1080 levels of performance. When set to Nightmare settings, the game reported max frame times of 24.8ms. We also recorded some gameplay of DOOM running on the Vega sample while we were at AMD’s CES event.

>not even released
>already lost to 1 year old Nvidia cards

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>58355155
Each stack is 7.75 mm × 11.87 so you can calculate the die size with a ruler.
Should be close to 500mm2

>>58355160
>hyperthreaded
pls do not use intel marketing term

>>58355173
Nice of you to exclude the part where the card was throttling like your mom.

>>58355173
>implying AMD gives a shit about the $1000 GPU market anymore

>>58355202
>ayymad hbm2
>loses to Nvidia gddr5

Good job amd, you did it again

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>>58355198
My lovely shill, Vega is a 12tflop card at 225w

The 1070 is a 6.5tflop card at 150w

Do some math.

>>58355222
>Vega is a bigger FLOP
At least we agree

>>58355173
So it will be about twice as good as a 480? Interesting, that was just what I was looking for. With the inevitable driver updates, this card will be a beast. And now that AMD is going full open source on Linux drivers, I can rest assured this will work great on a wide variety of hardware.

>>58355222
>fury x is a 9tflop card
>gets destroyed by 6.5 tflop gtx 1070

ayymad BTFO again. When will they learn?

>>58355170
for loo

>>58355160
>costing $149-$199 [spoiler]please![/spoiler]

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>>58355230
Wonderful

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>>58355198
>this denial

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Ayymad dissapointed again. Sad!

>>58355235
>980ti 5.6tflop
>gets destroyed by a 3.8tflop 1060

Really makes you think, it's almost like tflops are a measure of the peak performance of a card or something!

>>58355222
higher tflop doesn't automatically translate to higher fps

>>58355286
>>58355289
My point exactly. Ayymad got destroyed again in spite of all these tflops!

>>58355276
who is this semen daemon?

>>58355289
Actually, it quite does if the chip is fully utilized and not half sitting there twiddling its thumbs like the Fury X.

>>58355173
>ENG sample
>is better than a 1070 close to a 1080
>will cost less and consume less

>>58355222
The NCU can do up to 128bit single precision instructions per clock. That means 128 ALUs per NCU.
A 64 NCU die would be 8192 ALUs.
AMD stated Vega is targeting higher clocks.
8192 ALUs at even 800mhz would be 13.1TFLOPs

That slide can't be right, unless the ALUs are miraculously processing two instructions per clock.

>>58354896
4.0GHz is impossible for GloFo, it's simply not gonna happen and you're a stupid shill in denail if you believe it

Intel has the most advanced fabs in history, nothing changes that

>>58355330
Oh look, its the guy who said he'd hang himself by his nuts if GloFo could hit even 3.4ghz.
They're at 3.6ghz base now.

When will you livestream your suicide, NEET?

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>>58355325
We have no idea what the NCU constitutes, and even the recent Instinct presentation the Vega has 12tflop fp32, I have a hard time believing they're lying.

>>58355235
just like a GTX 960 wich is a cheap as fuck card for office PC beats a monster of a GTX 780

>>58355323
We heard the same about rx480

>>58355173
Ffs

>>58355387
N o

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Oh golly the meltdown ITT is delicious.

>>58354916
tell me, do you even recognize the flag that the dude fucking the girl is wearing

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>>58355400
>Muh 4GB version
>Muh only 1400 clockz
>Nvidia btfo
And in reality it is about 3 fps (on average) better than 970

>>58355364
They never include sALU performance in those figures, its always strictly ALUs.
So to pull off 128 instructions per clock in an NCU, they either have to have 128 ALUs, or they can miraculously process 2 instructions per clock.
That still leaves the question of the clocks. FLOPs is a simple calculation. ALUs x frequency x ops per clock.

So we have only a few possibilities

1.) The NCU is 128ALUs. Vega 10 is a 32 NCU design.
2.) The NCU is 64ALUs. Vega 10 is 64 NCU design, but can somehow managed literally double instructions per clock.
3.) The NCU is variable size. Vega 10 is a 64 NCU design, but some are drastically larger, and some are smaller lower power. The touted new abilities are all *up to* figures

>>58355325
How the fuck double precision goes 750GFLOPS if the card goes 12GFLOPS on single This is totally fake.
Each stack of HBM 2 goes to 4GB we know that the specs shows up to 8GB but nor samsung nor Hynix were able to produce a 8GB stack for now.
We see that Vega have two stacks, that means 8 gigs, up to 1024 bit each then 2048 bit bus, maybe they go cheap and is 512-bit each.then its 1024-bit total bus.

kill yourselves /v/babbys

>>58355259
>implying Zen will be cheap

>>58355431
Do you know why the core clock is lower than Nvidia? It has massively more CU in a smaller die.

>>58355513
>AMDead will be anything more than mediocre

>>58355513
>muh corez
You CAN'T make this shit up

>>58355309
Just reverse search it.

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>>58355414
fixed

So much shitposting. Who even knows what's true anymore?

Currytech is still not a legitimate source but it does make me hopeful for Zen.

>>58355801
Currytech isn't the source, did you even read?
Their original articles are trash but they're occasionally handy for pulling news from other sites I wouldn't even know to look.

In short they're good as a news aggregate, shit for content.

>>58355438
watch the vids released yesterday, iirc in one of them some pajeet talked about the new compute units and how they could do more ops per cycle or something like that

>>58355202
sour grapes

>>58355323
>everyone in the target demographic already has 1060/1070/1080
>nvidia BTFOs amd yet again with volta

>>58355577
shader cores are highly relevant for gpus you retard

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>>58355946
>>58355438
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3chULm4glM
Apparently there is some voodoo magic going on

>>58356161
Geometry throughput is referring to the front end, nothing inside of the CU/NCU.
They define a CU as 64 ALUs, but do not define NCU at all.
I watched all the videos they released, I read through the entire slide deck. There is no explanation provided.

>>58355011
>>58354980
>3.15 Ghz early ES
vs
>3.9 Ghz
~24% clock speed difference, even if the IPC is same, the clock difference should give 6600 a considerable boost in most games.

>>58356197
Can the NCUs be a part of the variable length CUs with a large scalar core patent AMD got some months ago?

>>58356266
I think thats a possibility.
Its got to be one of those three things I listed.

>>58355313
and whose fault is that?

blame devs all you want, you don't build a bird feeder expecting the squirrels to change their mind about stealing your seeds.

>>58356161
Watch again, 1:38-
>"We did the same thing with cu [over 2x shit per clock] ... can actually process more operations per clock cycle"

>>58356304
Obviously it's AMD's fault, but they did well state that Vega is planning to fix that.
Do you honestly expect AMD to not fix a glaring problem like CU under-utilization at some point?

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Oh boi, AMD CPU with Nvidia GPU.

What a time to be alive

>>58356409
>What a time to be alive
So you weren't alive 10 years ago?

Tell me your secrets, undeage.

>>58356409
That's exactly what I want.
AMD might be even 10% behind current Intel in single threaded performance which would be somewhere around my 3570k, I don't care. As long as they offer 8 threats for $100 less than Intel I'm absolutely fucking sold. Many people will understand this pretty damn soon - since 2015 more and more games started using more than 4 cores so they use up to 8 cores/threads (for example GTA 5, Watch Dogs 2, Witcher 3 etc. all of them bottleneck my gpu cuz of i5 like a whore). Multi-threaded performance is where it's at in 2016.

>>58355111
Intel hasn't released high end yet, it's still Broadwell.

>>58356571
Considering the massive improvement from Broadwell to Skylake I'm expecting great things from Skylake-X

>>58356142
>target audience already has 1060/70/80

Nope. Lots of people who have a 970, 390, Fury, 980, 980ti, ect wouldn't mind an upgrade, but understand that the gains in the 1000 series aren't worth the retarded pricing. Plus people locked i with freesync monitors.

Autistic babbling aside what's the verdict on AMD's new lineup? Are they back in the game or is it just like their other "moar cores!" releases?

>>58356678
Absolutely back in the game.
Near Broadwell IPC, clocks are good, the mobos show that manufacturers are taking it seriously, they expect strong sales so they aren't skimping on high end boards.
If an 8c/15t CPU is hitting 3.6ghz/4ghz inside of 95w then the 4c/8t chips will easily be clocked higher to take up that free headroom.

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>>58356530
>2017
>8 threads
The next CPU with only 8 threads that AMD will release will be those $60 Athlon style igpu disabled one 4c/8t Zen CCX chips from the Raven Ridge lineup in 2H 2017.

>>58356678
We've only seen some engineering samples, so no one knows what they'll release and at what price. It seems likely this won't be another bulldozer and they actually have something decent in their hands.

>>58356740
You're overhyping them way too much. All I want is a CPU for ~$200 that has more cores/threads than i5.

>release brand spanking new chip lineup
>don't even switch to the hot new meme of 7nm node lithography
AMD being dumb once again

>>58356611
> massive improvement from Broadwell to Skylake
what? the 5% increase in single threaded performance and slight reduction in heat generation in AVX2 loads? its fucking nothing. and plus boradwell-e helps handle the AVX2 stability issue by incorporating the xeon option (AVX offset) in the bios to downclock the cpu on the fly to keep voltages low and heat down when under a AVX2 load.

https://edgeup.asus.com/2016/05/31/get-best-performance-broadwell-e-processors-asus-thermal-control-tool/2/

you all sound like desperate nerds talking about a fucking cpu

grow up manchildren

>>58354896
Build amd based pc.
Costs less than almost (inb4 OMG ALMOST WHAT A LOSER) equivalent intel.
It works.

0 fucks given.

>MUH BENCHMARKS

Is x300 seriously going to be m-atx only trash? I don't care about fucking $300+ cpus.

>>58356787
>literally the most important part in computing
OK kid
Go back to your books

I just want competition again. That's it.

>>58355325
the alu's on the v9 can do 4 actually..

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>>58356776
> the 5% increase in single threaded performance and slight reduction in heat generation in AVX2 loads? its fucking nothing
Intel fucking wishes it was 5%.

Straight from Anandtech in a sponsored review:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9483/intel-skylake-review-6700k-6600k-ddr4-ddr3-ipc-6th-generation/9

This graph shows that:

Sandy Bridge to Ivy Bridge: Average ~5.8% Up
Ivy Bridge to Haswell: Average ~11.2% Up
Haswell to Broadwell: Average ~3.3% Up
Broadwell to Skylake (DDR3): Average ~2.4% Up
Broadwell to Skylake (DDR4): Average ~2.7% Up


Best case scenario Broadwell to Skylake is less than a 3% uplift in IPC.

>>58356816
I could design a better CPU on a napkin

>>58356790
Gaming anon. AMD CPUs always get beaten at gaming by Intel.

>>58356822
Don't post things you don't understand, anon.

>>58356828
Ok Jim Keller

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>>58356852
Sending it to globalfoundries right now

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>>58355103
>>58354963
How's your Pentium 4?
>>58354980
>>58355110
>Not even released yet so final performance is unknown
>BUT MUH GAYMES
>>58355043
There's a good amount of information missing from this graph

>>58355173
>removing the entirety of the quote so that the results appear negative
Neck yourself you actual shill

Jesus fucking Christ, I'm OD'ing on these memes.

>>58356900
Where's the moar coars?

>>58356824
yeah i was being generous with the 5%. its really pathetic.

>>58354989
>MOAR CORES

>>58356824
The difference between Ivy and Haslel wasn't that big because Haslel caused house fires when overclocked.

>>58355182
>>58355160
Yeah, use the AMD term instead, THREADRIPPER CORES

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>>58355309
Looks like Rosario+GNU if I'm not mistaken

>>58356917
You don't get it
This has an enormous ipc by simplifying the pipeline

>>58356941
Or just use SMT like a non-idiot?

>>58356835
I was just pointing out that there is also a price/performance aspect to all this.
Some might prefer to go all out, after all pc components aren't 50k sportcars.
Some might not feel that need, might decide otherwise.

This is very much also the reason why neither company will just "die" or sales plummet.
Commonly flagship products don't make the bulk of the sales in any industry.
It is definitely a very good marketing piece, but not much more than that.

>>58356945
I have an enormous pipeline for you

>>58355173
Though that performance might not sound so impressive, it's worth noting that all of the demo system's vents (including the graphics card's exhaust) were taped up, and it's quite likely the chip was sweating to death in its own waste heat.


but you know being an nvidiot doesnt require brain

>>58354896
AMD does less than 4Ghz oc
Intel does 5Ghz oc

Intel won this round, stop shilling.

>>58356900
This is amazeballs, it can probably decode 20 ops per cycle and retire a HUNDRED

>>58356816
Came here to say that. I hope AMD can get its shit together and start putting some downward price pressure on Intel. Whenever I look at Intel's price sheet....

http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/INTC/3595871821x0x922403/9E0E8DD7-0CB8-423F-8EEF-1A2D4B93C5EA/Jan_03_17_Recommended_Customer_Price_List.pdf

....the "% Decrease" column is always blank, and has been for the past few years, because AMD stopped being competitive.

>>58356974
The Pentium 4 could easily reach 8Ghz

>>58355387
480 is marketed as 'cheap enough to buy two and outperform a single 1080 for less total $$.'

>>58356974
>clock speed is everything

That's why we're all running Pentiums at 6 ghz huh?

>>58356800
suck my dick nerd

>>58357046
single core performance is the most important factor for most desktop applications (not hosting a server or rendering video)

>>58357046
The current Pentiums are locked but the G4560 is still the best value CPU on the market.

>>58356990
obviously AMD will also compete on price, but don't except massive undercuts. it be suicide for them to devalue their product. they need shareholders, and they need shareholder growth. you don't get that by being known as the value underdog. they said it themselves with the launch of polaris and the formation of the radeon group. they don't want to be seen as a value product, but rather a premium product. polaris itself was designed to help regrow AMD graphics market share and contrary to popular belief, polaris did very well in the under $300 market for them. it might not have broken records, and nvidia clearly still old sold the 480 with their 1060, but the 480 still went beyond AMD's own expectations. and AMD didn't have to resort to massive undercuts to achieve that.

don't believe the fake news of $300 8 cores. that's not going to happen this time around. only reason why AMD had $200 - $300 8 cores with bulldozer was because bulldozer was price competitively against its equivalent counterpart in the performance department. the $250 8350 back then was slower than intel's $250 i5 in single threaded but faster in multi-threaded. it was priced very competitive and fairly.

right now AMD has a product that's on a equal playing field with broadwell-e. no way in hell are they going to devalue themselves. they don't have to do that to regrow market share. they can easily release an 8 core for $600 - $800, be cheaper than intel, but still priced at as a premium product, which it is. there is zero reason for AMD to sell their products at price points that make it seem like they are WORSE than intels counterparts. then release six cores for $350 - $450 range. make it a strong competitor against intel's 6800k - 6850k offering slightly lower prices, lower TDP and no pci-express gimping nonsense. then quads in the $250 - $300 range. offering their version of "HT" at the i5 price point and on an "enthusiast" platform instead of mainstream.

>>58355103
>completely different archs
>B-BUT MUH GIGAHURTZ

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>>58355387
no, we didn't because AMD never said that shit. it was all fake news spread by wccftech and videocardsz.

the only thing amd claimed was faster performance per watt compared to hawaii / fiji, which they were right, and vr level of performance to the masses, which they were right. higher than 970 performance, which the 970 was the requirement to get into vr.

it was moronic redditors and wccftech that made people think 980 ti performance for $200.

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>>58357164
>hey can easily release an 8 core for $600 - $800
If they do that
I'll buy Intel simply out of spite
Fuck competition, fuck brands, I just want some cheap shit.

>>58357191
Trans is a mental disorder

>>58357191
>vr level of performance to the masses, which they were right
can they actually hit 90fps consistently at those resolutions? not trolling

>>58357230
>Masses
>90fps
Most people think the eye only sees 60fps

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>>58354896

>>58357191
Fuck gassing the kikes. Gas the trans instead.

>>58357230
The 480 has about GTX 980 performance, so unless you dial your settings down it will only reach 90 FPS in most new games at 720p.

>>58357230
http://www.pcgamer.com/vive-and-oculus-vr-devs-confirm-a-gtx-970-will-run-most-games/

again, vr for the masses. 970 was the entry requirement and they brought it down to the $199 - $240 level. fucking shills excepted 980 ti level of performance for $200 which was ludicrous.

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>>58357204
>Fuck competition
>I just want cheap shit

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>>58355110
>6600k 100%
>Zen 8 core 97.3%
>2.7% difference
>latest Zen ES is clocked 10% higher
>apparently it's still slower than 6600k
Go be retarded somewhere else.

They may have the highes clock speeds but they managed to reach intel's IPC.

A company doesn't fail because it's products are marginally worse than the competitor. A company fails when the products are significantly worse like bulldozer. If you adjust the clock of the FX 8370 down to 3.15GHz you'd end up at 58% of 6600k performance. Basically Zen is almost twice as fast as bulldozer in single core workloads. That's how shit bulldozer was.

>>58357204
they'll have cheaper options as well you fucking retard

THIS IS /g/ INTERVENTION


Daily reminder that benchmark charts, even most of the so called independent ones are FILTHY MARKETING.

Daily reminder that marketing is INHERENTLY FILTHY.

(Do I need to mention that anyone truly loving technology should despise marketing?)

>>58357164
i'm sure they also don't want to get into a price war with intel. amd would lose that war brutality to intel since intel has the capital to survive a price war while amd doesn't. probably why they didn't go super undercut against nvidia as well.

>>58357204
you do know $700 8 core zen is "cheap" when intels 8 core broadwell is $1,000.

>>58357313
Canard PC had an A0, first lot of silicon ever, engineering sample. It had SMT and uop cache bugs which hampered performance as well.
3.6ghz base clock/4ghz turbo Ryzen will out perform the i7 6900K in the games they tested there. All but one of those games really only scale to 4 threads to boot.

Lower core count chips will be clocked higher.

>>58357164
>they don't want to be seen as a value product, but rather a premium product

I'm sure they don't. But it's the customers who get to decide that. And right now, AMD is not seen as a "premium" product because they just haven't been able to hit the benchmark numbers in the past. As long as AMD can't top the benchmarks, they have no choice but to play the "value" card. I'm sure a whole bunch of AMD executives are in denial about that, but they don't really have a choice. Maybe this launch can turn it around for them, but as of today, AMD is first and foremost perceived as a non-premium product.

> no way in hell are they going to devalue themselves

You might be right -- if enough AMD executives continue to be in denial, and keep entertaining their fantasy of being a "premium" brand.

But then, I've got to ask: (1) What caused Intel to drop its prices so much in past years? (2) Why haven't they dropped prices for a few years now? (3) Whatever it was that caused Intel to stop dropping prices -- is that a permanent change in the structure of the industry, or is it possible for force them to start dropping prices again -- and if so, what will cause them to do it?

>>58357380
You can buy an 8-core Broadwell-EP for $800. Now fuck off.

>>58356678
It's big, but it's not Opteron/Athlon big, which is what lots of people are acting like.

AMD is absolutely going to gain some market space, if from nothing more than the outrageous hype machine that's already rolling strong, but Intel is not going to have to completely reinvent the wheel to make up whatever market space AMD is going to gain from this.

The most exciting thing to take away from this is that Intel is going to have some legitimate competition for the first time in a very long time.

>>58357439
AMD can't compete with Intel, don't kid yourself kid.

>>58357204
>Fuck competition
>I just want some cheap shit.

Ummmm, you do know that it's competition that's responsible for making shit cheaper, right?

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>>58357431
zen isn't competing with xeon you mongrel. its competing with intels HEDT platform.

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i7-6900K-Processor-FC-LGA14A-BX80671I76900K/dp/B01FJLAIG0
>List Price: $1,109.00 Price: $1,044.49 & FREE Shipping. Details You Save: $64.51 (6%)

no fuck off

>>58357489
Not that guy, but Zen is technically also competing with Xeon, because home users who don't want to overclock can pick up a Xeon for their X99 platform build.

>>58357521
Might as well include used ivybridge-e as well, AMD is finished

>>58357489
>zen isn't competing with xeon you mongrel
>Meanwhile
http://www.eteknix.com/amd-zen-matches-intel-10-core-xeon/

>>58357408
amd releasing a 8 core zen for $700 thats on equal playing field to intels broadwell-e 8 core thats $1,000
>https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i7-6900K-Processor-FC-LGA14A-BX80671I76900K/dp/B01FJLAIG0
is competing on price. thats a $300 reduction. but they don't have to go full retard and undercut it all the way down to $300 for a $700 reduction.

they can bitch slap intel with the 8 cores in price, then bitch slap intel with the six and quads on a very marginal price reduction that doesn't necessary look like a price reduction at first glance. six core zen's at $350 - $450 price range that don't endure the same pci-express gimping that intel does with the $380 6800k and $550 6850k. quad core zens for $250 - $300 that start off in the i5 price range but offers AMD's version of HT unlike the 6600k / 7600k. slightly weaker in single threaded performance (3% - 7% depending on zens weaknesses) vs skylake / kaby so costing less than the $350 6700 / 7700k but priced in the premium range i5's that offer HT unlike their competition and providing and all around better value to performance.

>>58357585
Top end Ryzen isn't anywhere near $700.

>>58357489
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117629
And let's not forget the 10-cores
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117630
https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2640-Cache/dp/B01GDC4DZG

>>58357585
>meanwhile intels launches a unlocked i3

Such desperation

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>>58355043
>shows 4 cores
get the fuck out of here retard

>>58357627
2.1 and 2.2 GHz processors are unsuitable for gaming. I mean they work, kind of, but it's really not worth it over an i5 6600K or something along those lines.

Source: I have a 12 core 24 thread Xeon and I play video games.

>>58357666
What games even utilize 24 threads

>>58357521
yes and its why amd is also releasing xeon competitors based off of zen as well. honestly you're just nitpicking on a technically the amount who go out there and pick up a $250 GAYMEN x99 board and toss in a broadwell-ep 8 core thats locked and clocked under 3ghz.

>>58357682
Chess.

>>58357579
>we now have a Blender result which puts a Zen Engineering Sample on par with the Intel Xeon E5 2680 v2, an Ivy Bridge-E 10 core 20 thread CPU.
>Ivy Bridge-E 10 core 20 thread CPU
not op but you still are a mongrel.

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>>58357682
GTAV, kind of?

>>58357643
An unlocked i3 was always in the works. Intel just didn't want to risk cannibalizing sales from their quad-core i5s, but Skylake has shown that even with near-similar performance, a true quad-core will always have its place in the market.

>>58357666
>2.1 and 2.2 GHz processors are unsuitable for gaming
Who said anything about gaming? If Ryzen can provide eight cores with ECC support, then I'll be all over it since it has a lower TDP, power consumption, and price than the similar Haswell-EP Xeon E5 2667 v3 (there is no direct Broadwell-EP equivalent). But Ryzen will only have DUAL-CHANNEL memory, which means that it's limited to a mere 64GB of RAM, and that's just not enough.

>>58354896
Why did they rename it Ryzen? I hope it was for trademark reasons because "Zen" is a simpler and better name. OTOH, "Ryzen" sounds very early 2000s and suggests AMD has risen from the dead, which is pretty depressing message (I know it's meant to be pronounced rye-zen, but still).

>>58357748
Ryzen clearly sounds a lot edgier than zen

>>58357725
Because the target audience for these AMD Zen processors is gaymers. AMD is obviously going to cater to the server market with different processors, including ones with 4 and maybe even 8 memory channels. Just like Intel is doing with the low clocked Xeons, which aren't suitable for gaming.

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>>58355111
Unlocked Core i3s are a joke. £185?! My i7-920 was £230 8 years ago ffs.

>>58357602
it most likely will be if all those showcasing are correct with it matching broadwell-e in single threaded performance.

>>58357627
we are talking about consumer land here mongrel. not severe downclocked xeon's. wait for zen based opterons.

>>58357748
it's pronounced ricin

>>58356678

Not fully back in the game but it's a start

We'll only know when it's released

>>58357789
The $500 rumor isn't baseless. It came from a vendor.
Top end Ryzen isn't anywhere near $700.

>>58357748
They couldn't call it Zen due to trademark bullshit.

I think the plan was to have Ryzen pronounced "Risen" but they got cold feet at the last minute due to fears of too many religious/"back from the dead" connotations, but it was too late to go back to the drawing board. Hence the awkwardly pronounced RyeZen.

>>58357786
exactly which has been what amd has been marketing zen at. they have opterons for that market which amd will be releasing zen based opterons. where you can get your down clocked opteron with ecc ram support to jizz all over.

>>58357787
The biggest meme is the i3 7350K has the same maximum overclock that the i3 6100 does with baseclock overclocking

>Same overclocked speed
>Same IPC
>slightly larger cache
>Costs $80 mord
Wow it's fucking nothing

>>58357823
>They couldn't call it Zen due to trademark bullshit.
Zen was too generic, so they couldn't trademark that word.

>>58357821
it will be unless amd is stupid and right now seeing amd's stock going up, they won't be stupid and releasing a 8 core zen for their consumer market below $600. even at $600 thats cutting it to close to severe devaluing of their product in comparison to their competition that's offering their competing 8 core for $1,000 (6900k).

hey guys i'm a vendor here. 8 core zen releasing at $150.

>>58357843
Optimum price is a point where sales volume and profit margins meet, it isn't some arbitrary thing. Pricing yourself out of sales is incredibly easy.
They are swinging at HEDT and mainstream top end i7s for gaming+streaming.

Top end Ryzen is not anywhere near $700. This is your baseless speculation.

>>58357857
Don't listen to this guy, he's trying to rip you off. I'm selling 8 core Xeons at 110 dollars. 3.6 base clock versions.

>>58357839
>Zen was too generic, so they couldn't trademark that word.
Maybe, I thought it was out of fear of coming too close to the Xen hypervisor brand name and causing confusion there.

>>58357876
>This is your baseless speculation
coming from someone quoting his baseless speculation off a rumor from fudzilla
>http://fudzilla.com/news/processors/42231-zen-pricing-document-shows-four-skus-under-500
who based their speculation off from a "random" "leaked" chinese shipping document.

if amd was going to go suicide mode with its investors they would have released the 8gb 480 at $100 because that's exactly what you're stating for zen 8 core at $500. that makes NO sense what-so-ever for amd to do. it would be a baseless price war with intel that amd cannot survive nor win.

Does anyone actually think it's worth upgrading from the LGA 1151 platform to Zen?

>>58357974
kek that "chinese source" came from reddit based speculation
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5dl2ho/what_amd_is_up_to_with_zen_disscussion/

>>58357974
The Chinese "leak" was nothing but some aggregate of rumors that had been floating around.
Its been going around for over a year now that Summit Ridge would have a top end of $500, and Raven Ridge would have a top end of $250.

Again, more baseless dumb speculation from you.

>>58357974
>$150
>700CB Cinebench
...That's not half bad if (big if) the price is legit. Heavily overclocked Skylake i3s (previous best value for money in that range) only get up to about 500CB for $100~

>>58357984
No.

But it will be worth it for a lot of people on older systems, fx cpus, and for servers if their 8 core chips pan out well.

>>58358023
see
>>58358015
ignoring the fact you just admitted your baseless speculation has been baseless speculation floating around for over a year.

kek you mongrel. go back to wffctech. i know they troll around here.

>>58358060
You're too retarded for words.
Those two figures came from a vendor on Anandtech hinting about pricing. You're just pulling things out of your ass, acting like a kid now.
Grow up.

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>>58358071

>>58358071
see
>>58358015
>I am not sure about those prices. they are all based on rumors. but i think if zen sell more than that , should also performan better than what i expected.
>I think all your prices are set way too low, please don't overhype Zen like everyone did with Polaris. I'm sure it will be good but it's not healthy to expect that their 4c/8t will only cost $150.

from fudzilla:
>A new pricing document originating from China indicates that AMD initially plans to release four Zen desktop SKUs in four, six and eight-core variants. Just like Intel’s high-end desktop lineups, none of these chips will feature integrated graphics.
which links to:
>http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-zen-octoacore-summit-ridge-engineering-sample-spotted-at-3-23-5-ghz.html
which doesn't actually link to a source but talks about some chinese website.

which comes to find out comes from rumors pulled out of someones ass on reddit named "redteam0528"
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5dl2ho/what_amd_is_up_to_with_zen_disscussion/

>>58355155
Fuuuuck. I dont know if my waterblock will even cover the entire core..

>>58358155
guru says they got it some a guy named DresdenBoy who they claimed "shared information in the past." its all fucking nothing. shills just wanting to over-hype shit like they did with polaris. let them bite themselves in the ass again.

>>58355178
>500mm2
Isn't that the upper limit of most accurate lithography machines

>>58354896
Is this the new 2500K?

>>58358155
Your link chain is pointless.
Over a year ago a vendor in a thread on Anandtech hinted at the pricing structure of Summit Ridge and Raven Ridge. Thats where $500 and $250 came from. You can look at the /g/ archives and see those numbers thrown around all over the pace.
Thats where they came from. None of your recent reddit bullshit is relevant.

Your asspulled $700 is entirely baseless. Things are not priced on what *you* think they should be.

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Here's a tl;dr on what is actually going to happen for anyone who is interested.

Ryzen will be released according to schedule and priced directly against it's closest intel competitor at a 5-10% discount. Intel will price match, AMD will drop the price again. Rinse and repeat every quarter until the next big release.

AMD may claim they don't want to be seen as a value brand but they need Ryzen to compete with intel on both price and performance to move some volume. This can be profitable for AMD and it can also just reestablish some legitimacy for them after years of irrelevance in Desktop CPU performance segments.

If at any point intel legitimately feels threatened by AMD gaining too much momentum they will be able to put the screws to AMD in other ways that hit AMD's wallet outside of CPU MSRPs. Keep in mind how many more times massive intel is than AMD. There are people whose sole job at companies as large as intel involve developing strategies to use their corporate assets and industry influence as leverage against competitors in ways that we can't even directly know.

>>58357833
>>>58357787
>The biggest meme is the i3 7350K has the same maximum overclock that the i3 6100 does with baseclock overclocking
>>Same overclocked speed
>>Same IPC
>>slightly larger cache
>>Costs $80 mord
>Wow it's fucking nothing
You do know that the cache takes up alot of die space, right?

>>58358193
About 600mm2 actually.

>>58358224
Who even needs 600mm2 dies

>>58358185
yeah a guy who didn't even post it on his own blog site:
>http://dresdenboy.blogspot.com/

>>58358237
Historically? Nvidia.

>>58358199
No.

>>58358185
>some a guy named DresdenBoy

Lol, you're clueless.
Dresdenboy has been leaking stuff for years.

>>58358244
How do you even make a 600mm2 die that doesn't cause housefires

>>58358201
>http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-zen-octoacore-summit-ridge-engineering-sample-spotted-at-3-23-5-ghz.html
>The information on this latest leak is based upon a user called DresdenBoy who has shared more reliable information in the past.
and most importantly you are believing a "leak" from a "vendor" from OVER A FUCKING YEAR AGO when zen was still in heavy development. they didn't even have fully functional engineering samples out yet. those didn't start to hit the street until six months ago.

according to you are pricing your information off of a "chinese" vendor "leak" from 2015. fuck off you baseless mongrel cunt.

>>58358271
Bigger dies are actually easier to cool.

>>58358262
see
>>58358241
his own blog doesn't even have that information. not even in his 2015 archives. guru claims they got it from him but they don't link to anything but some random photo that was also posted on reddit before guru in that reddit link i posted by a guy stating they are all rumor prices put together.

>>58358201
>Over a year ago a vendor in a thread on Anandtech hinted at the pricing structure of Summit Ridge and Raven Ridge.
<citation needed>

>>58358199
Yes? No? Maybe.

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>>58358327
everyone is basing this $500 pricing off of some random image no one truly knows where it came from.

>>58358237
AMD's Fiji and the original Titan were both around 600mm2 on 28nm HPP.
The big enterprise Pascal design is 610mm2 on 16nm FinFET+

>>58358262
Matthias doesn't really leak things. He analyzes stuff and posts his analysis. It just so happens that hes a big staple in the community so tons of people talk to him. A couple weeks before the New Horizon event an EOM on Anandtech sent him pics and the OPN of his sample chip. 3.2ghz/3.5ghz turbo OEM sample.
Back when this board was still filled to the brim with shitposters claiming Zen would never clock higher than 2.8ghz.

>>58358292
Except nothing I'm stating came from a Chink. That Chink just threw together prevailing rumors from around the web.
This is what you don't understand, because your IQ is too low.

Chips are produced with target prices in mind.

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>B-but Interl is making round shapped cpus!
Isn't that cool??

>>58357823

Then they should have called it Rayzen and not perpetuate your idiotic ortography further

>>58358348
and this cuck as the audacity to ridicule me on "baseless speculation." the fucking nerve. one random ass image from some chinese source apparently from over a year ago, meaning 2015 before ES come out in full production comes out and he believes it like its word from a god. even amd admitted themselves zen has been going above their expectations and extremely pleased with the results.

even if we take those pricing as fact, they are from OVER a year ago. things fucking change. back then their exactions could have been clearly lower but now they are pegging toe for toe with broadwell-e. it could have been worse case scenario pricing.

fuck i'm done with this thread. this chink loving mongrel can go back sucking his chink overlords cocks on "anandtech." go off and continue to over-hype zen and believe you will get a six core $250 that's as fast as intels $550 6850k. just like you mongrels did with polaris.

>>58358411
Get it through your head, spastic.
Its not one random image, its not the Chinese "leak" that you're autistically fixating on.

You however pulled $700 entirely out of your ass. Its a number that sticks in your miswired autism brain for some incomprehensible reason. It has no basis in reality.

>>58358371
you know that "idiot" actually posted sources. post yours from anandtech then because I googled and couldn't find this anandtech ones but i sure found his links when googling "$500 amd zen 8 core."

actually, this is all that anandtech has for "zen"
>http://www.anandtech.com/tag/zen
they don't even have pricing rumors. at least tagged.

>>58354896
Why are people hating on AMD? AMD getting their shit together is good for all of us.

It will either force Intel to drop the prices a bit or atleast make CPUs that are an upgrade compared to their old lines.

As it stands we get barely any performance gains for a fuckton of money...

>>58358438
not op but really, post it then. post your vendor source on anandtech. who is this vendor you believe so passionately?

>>58358438
>b-b-but there's a forum thread from anadtech, I swear
Then post a link to the real source, you fucking idiot. Or alternatively, admit that you're lying and fuck off.

>>58358478
fuck off amd shill

intel!!!! for the win!!!

>>58355431
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWASNajSdpg
>1475MHz
Why didn't this faggot benchmark this card?

>>58358461
>looking on the main site
>for a forum post

You are not a smart man.

>>58358478
This board is full of shitposters.

>>58358501
There are 4 main threads about Zen on the forum, and they're all over 100 pages now. I'm not digging through the pages to find something that everyone has been talking about for months, just to disprove an actual autistic with an obsession with the number 700.

>>58358523
>HURRR ITS GOING TO BE $700 BECAUSE I SAID SO
>IT HAS TO BE $700
>$700
>THERE IS NO WAY IT WOULD BE ANYTHING BUT $700

How do you get through life with your disability?

>>58358478
No one seriously hates AMD unless they're just being childish. Competition is good.

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>>58354896
>want to be a gaymen
>can't beat a measly i5 in performance
>want to be productive
>can't beat a Xeon in performance

kek, amd cucks

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>>58358537
At least there is pic related. Almost Fury performance. Jesus Christ what the fuck.

>>58358574
AMD BLOWN THE FUCK OUT

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>>58358544
>HURRRRR IT HAS TO BE LESS THAN $500 BECAUSE A SOURCE CLAIMING TO BE A VENDOR FROM ANADTECH SAID SO
>A SOURCE I WILL NOT POST AND JUST CALL YOU GUYS IDIOTS
>HURRR LISTEN TO ME YOU AUTISTICS DFGDFGFDGFDGFD
how do you get through your life being a mongrel?

>>58358574
>kek, amd cucks
Said the increasingly nervous and fat weeaboo with an intel tatoo on his arm.

>>58358544
I'm not the guy you've been arguing with, I'm just pointing that by screaming "THAT'S NOT THE SOURCE! THERE'S A REAL SOURCE GUYS, BELIEVE ME!" and then acting like everyone should believe you when you can't provide a fucking link makes a very good job at making you look like a liar, a retard, or both. Personally I'm leaning towards both.

Is it me or is panic very evident in Intel shill posts?
They aren't even trying to argue anymore, it's just now either frogposting, shitposting or greentext.
Heck some even cut out paragraphs of review text to make them look bad, like they're the only ones who read the damn thing.


This is getting hilarious.

>>58358625
/g/ is the easiest board to bait so everyone shitposts. It gets boring though.

>>58358593
>I don't keep up with current news
>I didn't even know who dresdenboy was until just 5 minutes ago
>spoonfeed me or I'm right

>>58358601
The autistic I'm wasting time arguing with is putting forth his personal opinion as if its gospel truth. He doesn't deserve to be taken seriously at all.
Its not a coincidence that the $500 figure would up in that Chink's leak. Just like its not a coincidence that rumors of clocks for Summit Ridge were rapidly increasing months ago. Just like its not a coincidence that AM4 has two memory channels, Naples is a 4 die MCM, or any number of other things that have been known before being officially confirmed.

There was an autistic NEET who claimed to work for some government agency testing computer hardware who was adamant that enterprise chips were made form 16 core dies. I called him out on his bullshit, and the very next day AMD detailed their 2P Naples platform.
I don't doubt that this autistic is still here posting his headcannon as if its reality. Retards like this literally do not qualify as human, they don't deserve to be spoonfed basic facts that have been circulating the web for months.

>>58358686
So in other words, there's no reason not to assume you're lying. Fuck off and kill yourself.

>>58355157
>Anonymous 01/06/17(Fri)10:10:06 No.58355157>reality denying frogposters ITT
>
>Oh I'm laughing my ass off right now.
>Is that the best Little Blue bux can do? Greentext and frogposting?


You're really mad and no one knows why.

>>58358962
Is this some kind of bot?
Because that was way off mark on all counts.

>>58355222
>Vega is a 12tflop
Jarvis is 600tflops, so I'm not impressed.

>>58357602
Will be 599, print that.

>>58358734
>b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but muh $700!
I'd say its a 50% chance you're the very same retard I'm talking about.

Found the posts too
Dipshit claims there will be no 32c Opterons, pretends to have insider info
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/S56149579#p56157896
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/S56149579#p56158090
Same dipshit keeps presenting his opinions as fact, gets called, outs himself
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/S56339254#p56350880
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/S56339254#p56351062

Bonus: The same retard claimed Summit Ridge would only be single channel, and that L3 caches couldn't communicate, both of which are also wrong.

>but muh $700.
Same style of bullshit, overwhelmingly likely that its the same poster. An woefully uninformed NEET moron who adamantly pretends like his headcannon make believe is factual.

Almost as funny as Tony Dickey shitposting here before his lawsuit got thrown out.

>>58359136
>head-canon

ftfy

>>58355043

Kek prescott all over again

>>58359183

What im interested in tho is seeing what a 4core zen can do. if it clocks to close to 5ghz while wasting 50watt less than the intel then we have a fucking winner on our hands.

>>58359136
>I'm a lying piece of shit, please don't listen to me

Ok.

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>>58359136
>Toney Dickey
Holy shit that was a funny week or so. Those threads were pure gold.
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/S51243526#p51247267
>The case will be immediately thrown out, Tony Dickey. You're a fucking nutcase.
>mfw the case really did get thrown out immediately

I wonder if hes jackass who posts all the webms and youtube videos of poop smearing. Still crying because he wasted his disability money on a dead end fraudulent lawsuit.

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>>58357309
>>58357380
>>58357472
Cheap is relative

And who do you think I'm more likely to get a cheap processor from

AMD or Intel?

The only reason I would ever buy an AMD processor meant to compete with Intels HEDT as so many fags here seem to love to parrot, is if it were fucking dirt cheap. 350 USD or fucking bust.

If AMD doesn't take this chance to literally BTFO of Intel, It will be the final straw in a long line of disappointments.

>>58359102
It's censored, post uncensored, then youll get banned

this thread is full of ether intel shills or trolls ... or some of the dumbest motherfuckers on the face of earth

if the ES ryzen clocked at 3.13-3.4 can reach 3.6-4.0 ryzen is going to blow kaby shit out of the water

>>58359418
I don't know what that is

>>58358574
>needing a performance crown for self esteem
Just get awesome perf for a good price with AMD instead of
"da best" Gucci handback you can afford nigger

>>58359523
Well why the fuck not. Who would want to stick around here.

Mods sit around while fucking newfags shipost stupid meme threads and shill products

Do it

Why does AMD blatantly shill on this board?

>>58359278
there wont be a 4c until raven ridge

>>58359564
>Why does AMD blatantly shill on this board?
Why does intel
nvidia
google
microsoft
apple

You name it, we have a shill for it

>>58358575
Jesus fuck do they all OC approximately like that or did he win the silicon lottery?

>>58359574
The nuances of how they'll handle binning of defective cores isn't totally known, but Canard PC did state on twitter that 4c parts were being pushed back later in the year. The APUs might be pushed back as well so they can focus on consumer CPUs and enterprise.
Some other outlets have mentioned that AMD told them a bit about segmentation of launch parts:

http://techbuyersguru.com/ces-2017-amds-ryzen-and-vega-revealed?page=0
Another few insights that AMD was willing to share with us included that the 3.4GHz base clock that has been touted will be the slowest Ryzen chip, and that there will in fact be multiple SKUs, some of them with a higher base clock. Furthermore, every single Ryzen CPU will be fully unlocked, and there will indeed be headroom available sufficient to fire up the passions of enthusiasts.

3.4ghz is the slowest chip, they have higher clocked ones at launch, and they're all unlocked. They didn't mention whether or not they'll all have SMT enabled though, so cheap 8c/8t chips might be a possibility.

Im gonna be so entertained with the flaming on this board when it turns out AMD is in the same position its in now.

>oh boy the 8 core clocks higher than the equivalent intel, and its cheaper

Their architecture is probably still inferior, so itll basically be what the 8350 is to the 6600k

>>58355173
Keep posting it in every AMD thread if that makes you feel better :^)

>>58359707
Lottery.

>>58359707
He probably got the best of the best, the kind of shit on laptops or embedded systems like the E9550 which has a 95W total board TDP with full Polaris 10.

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>>58359778
>Their architecture is probably still inferior

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>>58354896

>>58357718

That's actually pretty impressive. Most engines in a few years time will expand threads to whatever is availiable probably.

I predict all forms of computer cores will eventually converge through development, CPU's are becoming more like GPU's and GPU's are being used for more and more compute tasks these days.

Unified, expandable processing is the future

No matter who wins, /g/ loses.
Best case scenario, we get an amazing chip and have a Keller sticky filled with smug out of the charts from AMDfags, igniting shitposting for years to come.
Worst case scenario, it flops terribly with problems right of the gate, pajeet memes get spammed, and tears flow from everyone especially the Intelfags since their asses will keep getting destroyed.

>>58360001

NOOO MY QUADS SINGULARITY WHEN

>>58360023
never, bitch

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>>58358593
>disabled by choice

>>58357833
This more or less. Overclocking a processor with a 4.20GHz baseclock is not really something amazing anyway. How much can you realistically gain on air? 4.7GHz? Maybe 5.0GHz? That's like 15%

>>58360070
Binning in a nutshell.

>>58360011
There got to be only a handful of habitual shitposters who spam the same copypasta bullshit in every thread. It'd be easy to deal with, its just that no one reports the shitposting so it gets to stay.

>>58360100
I report all the time, but mods and jannies don't give a fuck. This board is absolutely disgusting, but I can't leave. Endless generals and consumerism at full throttle with shitposting so easy it's a wonder how the board hasn't been nuked yet.

>>58360124
Take screencaps and mail them to Hiroshimoot, or make a thread on /qa/.
I'll do the same. I swear it didn't used to be this bad.

>>58356769
>wanting to go full nvidia with 1.7% yields
yeah, no

>>58360124
The board is in dire need of quality jannies. Sometimes even decent threads are derailed into mindless shitposting.

>>58360076
Assuming the same thermals as Skylake? 4.8 on a 212-tier

>>58360157
No you don't understand
You also need to lower your production by 80% percent

>>58356678
They're back in the game but they have a fuck load of ground to make up to even get a 60/40 market share again, something which I've been wanting to see for a long time. That being said, I can't help but think Jewtel will be up to their old tricks again like they did with the Pentium 4s

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>>58360307
>they did with the Pentium 4s
Bribing OEMs?

>>58359946
I wonder if 2nd Generation Zen will only improve 5% like Intel

>>58360353
We don't know. But for now, Zen seems good. Very good.

>>58360337
No
Hyperpipeline housefires

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>>58360337

>>58360389
>Intel Designed Thermal Final Solution

>>58360337
Basically, this is what came from the court case

>That Intel paid rebates to manufacturers on the condition that they would buy all (Dell) or nearly all of their CPUs from Intel.

>That it paid retail stores rebates to only stock x86 parts.

>That it paid computer manufacturers to halt or delay the launch of AMD hardware, including Dell, Acer, Lenovo, and NEC.

>That it restricted sales of AMD CPUs based on business segment and market. OEMs were given permission to sell higher percentages of AMD desktop chips, but were required to buy up to 95% of business processors from Intel. At least one manufacturer was forbidden to sell AMD notebook chips at all.

>>58360337
>the fucking filename

Jesus I wasn't ready for that

>>58356728
This, plus they have soldered heatspreaders unlike Intel who use shitty TIM which makes temps stupidly high.

>>58360508
>Intel who use shitty TIM which makes temps stupidly high.
Just delid it. :^)

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>>58360516
>buy a car with 1.6L engine
>just make it bigger with a file in a garage

>>58360552
Just do it. It's Intel™, surely it's better than poointheloo AMDshit. :^)

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daily reminder that the patrician strategy is to wait for intel's answer to zen

>>58360665
>what's a roadmap

Great answer there, Intel.

>>58360665
>intel is now the waiting company
>intel is now the moar coars company

this is like gender-swap fanfiction but less believable

>>58360708
Intel was also moar gihaherz company back then. During athlon days.

>>58360728
and add moar cache

>>58360750
I feel old now because like half of the board forgets countless Intel failures.

>>58360776

They got shilled/brainwashed by jewtel.

>>58360860
Who cares. Now history repeats itself. Optane looks like another failure.

>>58360873
I'm actually glad. The amount of salt here will reach critical mass.

>>58361081
Yes, especially if mods will sticky Keller.

>>58360728
Don't forget that fucking Prescott pipeline

Jesus

>>58360665
You mean like their current iteration, Skylake v2, and their next two iterations which are just Skylake v3 (Coffee Lake, possibly 6 cores on mainstream platform) and Skylake v4 (die shrink)? No IPC improvements coming any time soon mate. Skylake was the new architecture and that was barely 5% IPC better than Broadwell.

>>58361168
Actually it was even less than 5%.

>>58361147
Prescott was nice. For a space heater.

>>58361188
Be nice and count the AVX improvements in the average.

>>58361284
Average IPC uplift from Broadwell to Skylake with DDR4 is only 2.7%, measured by Anandtech. In an intel sponsored review no less.

>>58361360
That can't be right.
New architecture and barely any SIMD performance improvements?

>>58361384
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9483/intel-skylake-review-6700k-6600k-ddr4-ddr3-ipc-6th-generation/9

Intel has not provided big uplifts to anything since Haswell. There was no big FPU revamp in Skylake. Haswell was the arch that made tremendous gains in certain FPU ops vs the prior generation Ivy Bridge.

>>58361459
So for desktop gaming haswell refresh is the new sandy vagina?

>>58355309
Moka from R+V

>>58361621
Haswell Refresh was just a higher clocked and hotter version of Haswell, basically what Kaby Lake is to Skylake.

>>58361621
The Devil's Canyon chips are basically exactly the same as original Haswell, just factory clocked a bit higher. I do recall they claimed to improve the TIM, but people still complained about it.

Any lot of Haswell should be considered equally good. Skylake is fine too, but if you can build a cheap Haswell system go for it.

>>58361648
>>58361662
How much fucking money did Intel save by cheapening out on the TIM? It still makes me mad.

>>58361698
Who knows. Its fine as long as goyim are still buying Intel and not complaining.

Might be time to upgrade my i5 750 finally. Hell, might even ditch nvidia for them if a new card pans out.

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>>58360414
>Tejas and Jayhawk were to make several improvements on the Pentium 4's NetBurst microarchitecture. Tejas was to originally be built on a 90 nm process, later moving to a 65 nm process. The trace cache capacity would likely have been increased, and the number of pipeline stages was increased to between 40 and 50 stages.

>>58361789
That would be a sensible upgrade. Nehalem shows it's age.

>>58361830

Yea, I haven't noticed it too much since I'm only a gaymer, but it's waaayy behind in the benchmarks these days. The newer Intel cpus just haven't really been that great looking.

>>58361830
Got a Westmere, no issues for anything. 12 threads for encoding films for holidays, no games I play are held back by CPU.

>>58359707
the gtr xfx are the higher binned consumer polaris gpus

polaris is amazing, but gamers got the shit they couldn't sell to businesses.

losing hope on vega a bit due to them seeming to give businesses priority.