>tfw ve.ga is shaping up to be the greatest graphics card

Where is official specification?
AMD's site is piece of shit and I can't use it

>>58336654
>greatest graphics card of all time
>30fps with tearing in an AMD favored game engine

There needs to be an AMD vega sticky. Half of us don't care about this capitalistic bullshit. Consumerism is disgusting

>>58336654
Sorry Pajeet looks like you need to go back to the drawing board with your advertising campaign. AMD stock is in freefall. Time to seek new employment

>>58338601
>millisecond hiccup on an engineering sample with very unfinished drivers.

Yawn. Nvidia shills will find any molehill and make a mountain out of it.

>>58338670
It's always muh drivers muh optimization muh engineering sample with you poojeet reddit niggers. AMDead Rebrandeon is trash and I can't wait for it to go away forever. Fucking poorfag Indian-loving subhuman.

>>58338865
That's a lot of buzzwords. Do you have a shitposting script using Markov chains?

>>58338865
You should stop visiting reddit that much, anon. You getting brain damaged.

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>>58339022
>When your products have consistently had the same unresolved issues for so long that every criticism has become a buzzword

>>58338535
We don't have much of anything right now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjhmbnCf81k&t=304s

>>58336654
Greatest house fire of all time

>>58338624
> minus 0.02 in two hours
>free fall

They should give us dates and prices, shit would go crazy.

>>58336654
Still slower than a 1070, did you see those dips in the game demos? In those games a 1070 typically gets a constant 60+ FPS at 4k, Vega is struggling to get 60 average with 15-25 FPS dips

>>58339096
60 FPS is a buzzword anon! You shouldn't support Chinese Jews!

>>58338670
Welcome to the computer industry where 1% is life and death, where nvidia and Intel always deliver 100℅ and AMD's 99 just isn't good enough to compute

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>>58338624
>freefall
>down $0.03 as of 12:30pm

At least make an effort man.

>>58336654
Now with 30% more driver overhead!

Vega is so shit that arstechnica haven't bothered covering it, they'd rather cover a robot teddy bear

>>58339096
>1070 typically gets a constant 60+ FPS at 4k
How much does nvidia pay you? Everyone knows a titan XP is the minimum for 4k high settings gaming

>>58339467
It's almost as if different games have different graphical features, optimization and frame rates.

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>>58338865
>t. Buttblasted Cuckvidiafag

>>58339504
DOOM vulkan is going to be one of the only heavily optimized games that'll work fine at 4k on a Fury X/1070

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>>58338865

You dumbfuck piece of shit, the video with VEGA running DOOM was made last year with an engineering sample and using a modified FuryX driver.

Now GTFO and just come back when you're over 18 and learn how computing works, fucking retarded!

And before I forget, go back to Re.ddit.

>>58339504
There are very few modern games where you can get 4k 60 fps on a 1070 without turning down a lot of settings

>>58339549
Where's your proof? Oh right you don't have any.

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>>58339549
not just that
the vents were also taped up
wouldn't be surprised if it was throttling due to heat

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AYYMD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT

>>58339607
DELET THIS
REEEEEEEE

>>58339607
lmao worse performance than rx480!

>>58339588
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/AMD-Radeon-Grafikkarte-255597/Specials/Vega-10-HBM2-GTX-1080-1215734/

"Zu beachten gilt jedoch, dass erstens kein Vega-optimierter Treiber genutzt wurde, sondern einfach ein Fiji-Treiber mit ein wenig zusätzlicher Debugging-Arbeit."

which translates to

"Note, however, that first, no Vega-optimized driver was used, but simply a Fiji driver with a little additional debugging work."

>>58339607

it's a 1 millisecond dip you goof

>>58339646
>frames per second
>showing frame number per miliseconds

choose one

>>58339607
wow, put it in the fucking trash

>>58339730
Regardless of how you want to define it, it's an incredibly brief hiccup on an early prototype that doesn't even have its own set of drivers yet. The average fps looks good.

>>58339644
The cards on the floor running demos are engineering samples too.
Pretty decent performance, even if there is a hiccup here or there. Shows there plenty of performance to squeeze out.

>>58339810
>>58339825
Get a load of these mental gymnastics. Reminds of me of the "b-but it's just beta!" fags lmao.

>>58339864
>basic logic and facts
>"""mental gymnastics"""

Okay.

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>>58339912
>s-stating that it's in beta is a f-f-fact!
>they'll f-fix it I swear!

LIKE CLOCKWORK

>>58340007
But it IS unfinished. They're still using Fiji drivers. If it was finished it would have it's own set of drivers.

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Looking up 4K Doom benches, the demo actually doesn't make AMD look bad at all. The average frame rate in the one little area they showed was 70~
Min frame rate was something in the mid 30s, but its an engineering sample with early drivers.
Performance in the game varies a lot depending on area at 4k. Some places youtube reviewers briefly hit over 100fps, but the average for the Pascal Titan X seems to be just below 80, with minimum frame rates of 50~.

>>58340007
not even nvidia fanboys are this retarded

>>58340131
Must have been posted by a pajeet then

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>>58340064
>>58340131
>it IS unf-f-f-f-fi-finished!
>they'll fix it I s-sw-swear!

BAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>58340123
>that pathetic maxwell titan x performance
has the gimping begun?

>>58340123
Doom graphics weren't maxed on that demo with Vega.

>>58338670
This
just wait 3 years for the drivers to mature, then you'll see nvidia crying

>>58340123
Also it looks like the number of titles playable at 60fps at 4k is still an extreme minority, and min frame rates here can really suffer.
I think 4k is still a gimmick.
1440p, more AA, freesync/gsync, and better frame rates still seems like the smart way to go.
Maybe resolution super sampling can work in a select few lesser intensive titles. I just wouldn't buy a 4K panel. It was way too lofty a goal for the industry to start shilling so early. Even 4K media is scarce, and the hype for 4K began years ago.

>>58340293
It was set to Ultra present, not Nightmare. Its in line with other reviews I checked too.

>>58336654
Nvidia is teaching advanced AI how to drive while AMD is tearing screens and doing 30 fps in a year old game.

>>58339421
>arstechnica haven't bothered covering it,
Arstechnica writes quality articles, not hype-train clickbait.

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>>58338612
great point comrade.

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Why is AMD using a toilet bowl full of diarrhea as their background?
Must be a statement about their products

>>58340878
>toilet bowl full of diarrhea as their background?
?

>>58336654
>amd pajeets hyping up next amd's POS

Wow I have definitely never seen this before

>>58339549
So you're telling me that amd isn't competent enough to put out a quality demo of their products and this is how they do things? Wow it almost reminds me of the quality of their products.

>>58340494
Which is exactly why they covered the Nvidia keynote.

>>58339549
You never see Nvidiots or Intel fanboys going "b-b-but you're just not looking at it right! Its just a beta!" when a new product is released

I wonder why...

>>58340855
This is true, but they get a little too pretentious most of the time.

>>58340123
>doom

This is gonna be the new ashes of singularity where people latch onto this one benchmark until the end of time, isn't it?

>>58340878
POO to LOO

>>58340984
It runs pretty well on even low end systems, just not at 4K. Though only a handful of games run well at 4K even with that ridiculous Titan X and an i7.
I actually didn't find too many 4K Vulkan DOOM benches. I think it'll probably be soon forgotten.

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>>58340977
>>58340959

Is it because they both RARELY show some product in development?

Did you happen to forget Intel's presentation using VLC? Did you happen to forget the Nvidia drivers burning the GPUS?

For fuck's sake, you guys are retarded or have amnesia.

This is unbelievable!

>>58340984
At the moment, it's the only notable game with Vulkan properly implemented. The fact that it's a AAA title, and actually a good game doesn't hurt, either.

>>58340984
It's just an example of what every AAA game should strive for

here's an FX 8 core with an RX 480 running it at 4k ultra

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBRaOorDgGU

>>58341339
>FX
>title literally says 6700k

Look I get it pajeet, but even AMD admits that bulldozer was shit

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>>58340984
At least it's a decent game this time around and not just a talking piece for AMD.

>>58339096
It can't be slower than a 1070, that would mean it's slower than their 2015 flagship fury x which is nearly as fast as a 1070.

The next step down from the 1070 is their mid range 480, why would they release another 480 unless its like 100 bucks?

>>58336654
Soooo Vega confirmed for just being Polaris + HBM2 and a fancy memory controller?

>>58339421
>Vega is so shit that arstechnica haven't bothered covering it

Covering what? A teasing press release?

>>58340227
If it was finished they would have released the card months ago

>>58341081
Or they're just dedicated shitposters who will say anything for a shot at a few (You)s. They're not really concerned with the truth.

>>58339525
Why is that man spraying the soccer player in that pic?

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>>58341370
was thinking of a different benchmark, but an FX 8 core doesnt bottleneck 60hz

>>58341534
He probably slid on his ass and got a friction burn.

>>58341510
Maybe AMD shouldn't be showing off their card if they don't have a production sample and production drivers.
AMD saying "engineering sample" and "modified [previous gen driver]" translates to "It's going to take 12-18 months before our card performs on par with its Nvidia counterparts"

It's been like this for years, there's no indication that this time will be any different.

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>>58339061
>>58338535
We do have some slides of a Vega based Instinct card. Consumer versions will be faster (non ECC memory and higher clocks).

>>58340977
Woodscrews

Your probably too young to remember

>>58341605
>your
>calling others young

lmao

>>58341587
>AMD saying "engineering sample" and "modified [previous gen driver]" translates to "It's going to take 12-18 months before our card performs on par with its Nvidia counterparts"

It already does, though. The battlefront demo proves that pretty conclusively.

>>58341543
Depends on the game, Fx cpus do terrible some games and alright in one's that are properly multithreaded

>>58341510
Or maybe they're holding off because they know their product is so underwhelming it'll only cannibalize their current low/midrange offerings.

>>58341587
Don't act like such a snotty little child.
In case you hadn't noticed CES started today. AMD opened the day by giving a little preview of the arch while they have demo systems set up on the floor at CES running the hardware.
You're literally complaining because a company obliged fans with a preview.

Take a look at your posts, your shitty childish attitude, and ask yourself if a mentally healthy adult would actually talk like that in person. You need to grow up, kid.

>>58340959
Private demo for investors on ES silicon and debugging drivers does not = review benchmarks retard. Its like you know absolutely nothing about large silicone development.

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Will Vega be coming to the 560 / 570 or is it only on high end meme chips?

>>58341618
>what is mobile posting

>>58341637
>The battlefront demo proves that pretty conclusively.

You mean the 30-40 second demo showcasing cruising through space in one of the best running games out there?
That wasn't a conclusive demo. A conclusive demo would be showing it running in a proper match with shit going on.

>>58341672
What? 5 series is vega

>>58341700
yeah but will it be ACTUAL Vega or rebadged Polaris on the 560 / 70

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>AMD announces new mobos for Ryzen
>not a single high end mini ITX board

Whats the point?

>>58341666
Gee, someone sure is butthurt that other people aren't sucking their favourite hardware company's dick.

>>58339607
expanded.

>its 37FPS guys
*cough*

yeah right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku5OMWYVKSs

>>58341732
Further proving my point by acting like an immature brat isn't going to make you sound any better.

>>58341722
Polaris was a stopgap product (hence no big Polaris or tiny Polaris). Vega will cover low to high end.

>>58341775
That's good to hear, because I'm planning on a GPU upgrade in Q2.

>>58341679
>blames a phone for not knowing the difference between your and you're

L M A O

2. You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.

>>58341757
AMD needs to murder there entire gaming marketing team.

>>58341775
Polaris was entry level and mid range. The Vega GPUs are high end.

>>58341798
There will be scaled down versions for mobile and mod range (without HBM).

>>58341697
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNTAMApSlz4

Here's an overclocked 1080 frequently dipping below 60 fps on endor (same map used in Vega demo) even when there's not much going on. Same settings and resolution except for FXAA, which is disabled, the Vega demo had it set to high.

>>58341842
Designing a chip with HBM PHY and a separate GDDR5 PHY would be a tremendous waste of die area and would bring unneeded leakage.
Unlikely. As far as AMD has stated there are two Vega designs coming, and both are high end.

>>58341758
>Further proving my point by acting like an immature brat isn't going to make you sound any better.

I'm not the one accusing others of being children and "[acting] like such a snotty little child" when others are critical of their favourite company.

Please, enlighten us to how showing off an a product that isn't ready and causing people to doubt and/or question the product's performance is a good idea.
At least when Nvidia revealed the 1080 and 1070, they had a finished product with finished drivers to show everyone.

In the thread right now, fanboys are screaming "It's an engineering sample!" and "but these aren't launch drivers!", this shouldn't happen.
If you have to excuse a product's questionable/suspicious performance left and right, maybe the product wasn't ready to be shown in the first place.
They should have waited a few more months until they were confident and held their own press release/reveal event a few weeks before product release instead.


Stop taking every critical statement against AMD as a personal attack on your character.

>>58341792
>what is autocorrect
>L M A O

>>58341543
>fx-8370
>less fps than a dual core i3

Christ

>>58341679
Get the fuck out

>>58341852
>3 minutes of proper gameplay footage vs 40 seconds of spaceflight

>>58341666
>>58341758
>BUT IT'S AN ENGINEERING SAMPLE
>BUT THEY'RE PROTOTYPE DRIVERS
>BUT IT'S JUST RELEASED
>BUT NEW DRIVERS WILL FIX IT

I'm not waiting over a year until my card is working properly at the performance level that was promised.

>>58342003
i believe he might be referring to this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTQ-LbHx2jU
However, the greentext still stands somewhat, as the gameplay shown in both videos is not the same, with the GTX 1080 video showing a high speed chase scene and the demo video I linked to only show on-foot gameplay without any actual action taking place beyond just moving around.

>>58342003
>spaceflight

Uh, it was a player walking through the Endor map, actually.

>>58341967
Who are you trying to convince, kiddo?

>>58341946
It literally is an engineering sample, final drivers aren't ready. These are facts. People are pointing that out because immature low IQ children, namely you, are shitposting.
A single momentary drop to 35fps~ is not the end of the world, and for DOOM at 4K its not even unheard of. They were averaging about 70fps before that one drop. The Titan X Pascal averages about 80fps, and can drop down to 50fps at times.
This isn't showing bad performance. You're childishly twisting reality to fit a fanboy narrative rather than looking at things objectively.

Take a look at this thread. Look at all the shitposting in it. Its coming from immature /v/ posters like you. Adults do not conduct themselves this way. 13 year old fresh from 9gag do. An adult would not talk like this when conversing with someone face to face. I call you a snotty immature child because you are one.

This:
>>58338601
>>58338624
>>58338865
>>58339068
>>58339096
>>58339421
>>58339607
>>58339628
>>58339864
>>58340007
>>58340227
>>58340494
>>58340878
>>58340920
>>58340959
>>58340977
>>58341029

Is childish bullshit, and its the exact same level as your posts. In fact I'm sure I quoted some of your posts in there.
If you're over the age of 18 and are a high school grad in a first world country you should be ashamed of yourself.
This level of immature shitposting belongs on /v/. Stop dragging this board down because you have the mindset of a 13 year old console fanboy.

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>>58339607
I suppose you're taking about this tiny fraction of a second drop, correct?

>>58342195
And later on they zoom in screen so you couldn't see fps.

>>58342185
>If I call everyone a child or childish, that makes me mature!

Also see >>58342090

Stop being so fucking defensive and acting like a butthurt fanboy over a hardware company.

They are not your friend.

>>58342154
It's performing roughly the same as an overclocked 1080, and running with higher settings to boot. Even if you take into account the extra action in the 1080 video, it's pretty clearly very close if not equal in performance.

>>58342195
Jesus christ, the stutter is horrible. Fuck AMD, they're driving the industry down with their garbage, fucking us all.

>>58341842
HBM may happen for mobile ships. The lower power use would help battery life.

>>58342254
You are even further proving my point that you absolutely are a child. You are incapable of conducting yourself like an emotionally stable adult.
I'm plainly posting facts, you are doing nothing but shitposting because you have an agenda against a company. I have no emotional investment in AMD or their products. You however, just like all the other shitposting children in this thread, do nothing but spread FUD and disinfo at every turn. Believe it or not we used to have decent discussions on /g/, but the rampant /v/ spill over has gotten worse over the years, and posters like you are always the culprits.

If you want to keep up this ridiculous childish behavior, if you want to keep projecting your console fanboy mentality, then stay on the console fanboy board where you belong.
I'll take your response as ample proof that you are neither older than 18, nor are you a high school grad.

>>58342185
Maybe because Vega is slower than Titan X Pascal like Fury was slower than Titan X Maxwell

>>58342301
I think that has more to do with my shitty webm. The only noticeable tearing is during the brief fps drop. Otherwise, it looks much better in the actual video.

https://youtu.be/Ku5OMWYVKSs?t=23s

>>58341599
And potentially cut down, so also slower.

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Microsoft Scopio is Zen+Vega.
Another weak generation.

>>58342195
Pretty amusing no one brought this """""minor"""" detail to attention yet.

http://techreport.com/review/31224/the-curtain-comes-up-on-amd-vega-architecture/4

>>58342090
To be fair, nothing was promised in terms of performance.

>>58342382
>So how's it play?
>High-level architectural discussions are one thing, but everybody wants to know what Vega silicon will look like in shipping products. AMD constantly demurred about actual implementation details of its Vega chips last month, but we've speculated that the Vega-powered Radeon Instinct MI25 would pack 4096 stream processors running at around 1500 MHz thanks to its 25 TFLOPS of FP16 power.

>AMD did have an early piece of Vega silicon running in its demo room for the press to play with. In the Argent D'Nur level of Doom's arcade mode, that chip was producing anywhere between 60 and 70 FPS at 4K on Ultra settings. Surprisingly, the demo attendant let me turn on Doom's revealing "nightmare" performance metrics, and I saw a maximum frame time of about 24.8 ms after large explosions. I also noted that the chip had 8GB of memory on board, though of course we couldn't say what type of memory was being used.

>Though that performance might not sound so impressive, it's worth noting that all of the demo system's vents (including the graphics card's exhaust) were taped up, and it's quite likely the chip was sweating to death in its own waste heat. By my rough estimate, that puts the early Vega card inside somewhere between the performance of a GTX 1070 and a GTX 1080 in Doom. If that's an indication of where consumer Vega hardware will end up, we could have a competitive year to look forward to from AMD. Until we learn more about Vega, though, we're left with only this tantalizing taste ahead of the card's first-half-of-2017 release.

>>58342382
Thing was probably throttling like crazy.

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>>58342329
Christ almighty how thick are you to respond to slightly-better worded/thought-out bait posts?

>I have no emotional investment in AMD or their products.
You sure make it look like you do by responding to every bait/shitpost and calling them immature children while simultaneously trying to excuse (in their eyes) poor performance.
Rule number 1: Don't feed the trolls

>>58342333
Thats fine if it is. When its finally released benches will be scrutinized, nuances of the various architectures will be discussed, perf per watt, and perf per dollar will be discussed.
Thats what this board is for. This board isn't for shitting childish memes everywhere like the comments on a 12 year old's facebook wall.

We don't need the millionth
>X IS FINISHED AND BANKRUPT
>PAJEET
>HOUSEFIRE XDDDD
thread. The general atmosphere here only degrades when shitposting children are tolerated or ignored. Its against global rules. It doesn't belong here.

>>58342357
You can see the frame rate dip as it stutters.

>4096 cores
>8gb hbm2
>still can barely beat a 1070 in a heavily amd optimised title

Welp, time to go nvidya

>>58342423
Would explain the 37FPS drop at least, also nobody even mentions that the Ryzen CPU is at a much lower clockspeed than the competition in a game that doesn't properly utilize more than 4 cores at best.

Anyhow, we already know the tflops of the chip, it's 12tflops fp32, which is equal to gp102, why do people think this won't be close to a Titan?

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>>58341969
I don't know how open GL vs vulkan is on the i3

but on my FX 8 core at 4ghz + RX 480 4GB

Open GL is on the left of the graph, GPU utilization is up and down, fps average around 100, 80-90% CPU usage

using Vulkan on the right GPU utilization is at 100% at all times, CPU is at the same 80-90% utilization

but my FPS peaks to near 190fps, and seems to sit around 130-140fps

>>58342438
>The general atmosphere here only degrades when shitposting children are tolerated or ignored. Its against global rules. It doesn't belong here.

You responding to them doesn't deter them, it enables them.

>Its against global rules
You haven't been here much, have you?

>>58342483
that's 1440p 50% render scaling on low settings naturally

>>58342463
>why do people think this won't be close to a Titan
Because AMD themselves have demoed several games and it is close to a GTX 1080 instead.
>DOOM Vulkan
>Battlefront
>AOTS leak putting it in the middle of the 1080 pack
All of those show it producing very similar results to a 1080, every single one.

>>58342483
Why is your fan spinning so fast yet you're hitting 70c? Should have bought an aftermarket 480.

>>58342185
Two words for you man, Astro, Turf.

Literally every site covering vega, every news post, was covered in comments like these.

>>58342463
That DOOM demo in the video was running on an i7 4790k. They didn't use a Ryzen system.
DOOM handles threads pretty well too.

>>58342500
Ignoring it is tacitly accepting it.
Culture only shifts to what the majority permits.

I am excited and hopeful, but this wait is going to be agonizing. I would have rather not known anything and just been told 2 weeks prior to release.

I think companies need to realize they are dealing with an instant gratification generation. This whole architecture preview 3-4 months before production even starts is wicked blue balls man

I need my escapism simulator to be faster and more encapsulating god dammit

>>58342528
Battlefront showed it performing better than the 1080, granted it wasn't nearly as an intensive scene as the jet-bike video someone linked earlier in the thread.
Honestly all I want is a proper competitor to Nvidia so that they're forced to reduce their prices to something more competitive in the high-end card range.

>>58342536
It's a sapphire nitro, the numbers on the left are peak, you can see that in the top left

the fans don't even spin when it's at idle

>>58342195
I don't get it. What's the issue here? It looks flawless to me.

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>>58342536
>>58342670
Even with the peak there that's only 50-60% fan speed

>>58342603
It's the same shit or extremely similar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUWxu_C6QZM
>7 month old build of the game, missing any potential improvements since
>actual busy server
>slower 2700K @ 3.5GHz
They are pretty much identical, or at the very least close enough to need a controlled, reproducible benchmark to tell apart. Also was Vega running the game in DX11 or DX12?

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>>58342185

Fucking this! FUCKING THIS!

Seriously, there are hours that make you want to not attend this board. It's full of kids in this place!

>>58342697
Goddamn it why is this UI so ugly

They had one job. Grey and black is objectively the worst combination. I'm tempted to get a 1070 just so I don't have to deal with either gfe or wattman. Obs + msi afterburner is the only way.

So should I jump ship for AMD now. I'm still kinda mad about muh 3.5 970 meme

>>58342772
As if it mattered how it looked, you only ever need to touch it while working on your GPU, otherwise Wattman works great and I can only see them adding additional functionality in the future

>>58342772
of all the nitpicking I've seen today this has to be the worst

>>58342778
If you have a 970 and 1080p display there's no reason to upgrade unless you want a free-sync display

>>58342778
same broski

I could have glossed over the 3.5 shit but gsync was the final nail in the coffin for nvidia

>>58342794
>>58342806
What's wrong with a 1070?

>>58342878
Whats your monitor and current GPU?

>>58342794
i just want a graph with non shit increments from wattman. Let me see the voltage and clock ranges ffs.

>>58342878
The fact that you can buy an entire computer with that money

>>58342878
Nothing, but one of the Vega cards might be more competitive. AMD are claiming that they're going to be "very, very competitive", and I take that as them undercutting Nvidia by a large amount, as Nvidia's 1070/1080 pricing is the result of no competition in the high-end market.

So the RX 580 (or whatever it will be called) might perform similarly to the 1070 at 1080p & 1440p, but with better 4K performance for $50-80 less.
I'm making that assumption on how we saw the R9 Fury X perform against the 980ti, below 4K they were fairly equal, but at 4K the Fury X outperformed the 980ti.

>>58343008
I don't know what you mean, you can set everything to manual and see the exact values, you can also move things in increments of 1 even

>>58342997
280 and i5 4460. Going to buy a 65" 4k TV soon. I don't use pc monitors and my pc is always hooked up to my TV.

>>58342878
I want
>adaptive sync
>FLOSS drivers
>long term viability
>good support for future APIs
Nvidia is unable to provide any of those

>>58343107
oh good, i'm just used to seeing that stupid 'state 1, state 2, etc' graph

>>58343115
I don't care about any of these or even know what half of them are

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>>58343107
>>58343139
forgot pic

>>58343108
Wait for Vega

also how can you live with that latency? Samsung TVs seem to have the lowest latency overall

you'd need a GPU with HDMI 2.0 in any case, or a display port adapter for that card

but in any case, Vega should be doing proper 4k gaming for less than the cost of a titan XP

>>58343194
ok that's actually not bad, i wish it had greater incrementation the way PrecisionXOC does, but still

>>58343194
I have a Samsung TV right now and it's set to pc dvi in the options which had basically eliminated any input lag. Image quality is still good though.

>wait

There's a palit 1070 dual going for £350 right now. I'd assume vega will be at 1080 pricing and I'm not willing to spend that much. I don't care for resolution as much, just fps. I play at 900p/720p right now as it is just so I can get 60 fps in games like deus ex with this shitty card I have now.

>>58343148
>I don't care about any of these or even know what half of them are
You are irrelevant

>>58343148
then buy the thing

>>58343272
Vega is going to be two cards, one 1070 competitor, and a 1080 competitor.
As AMD are claiming they're going to be quote "very, very competitive", they're going to undercut the Nvidia monopoly price of the 1070 and 1080.

But, if you've found a 1070 for £350, that's a steal.

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MUH FINE WINE TECHNOLOGY

It looks like it will land somewhere close to the 1080 mark. With proper drivers maybe between the 1080 and the 1080ti.

If they can price it correctly it can be an awesome card, what is disturbing though is that die sizes have also leaked, and it's fuckhuge, bigger than the titanxp, so also more expensive to manufacture, definately with HBM2.

>>58343345
OK

>>58343359
>>58343368
Cheers

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>>58343262
>i wish it had greater incrementation the way PrecisionXOC does, but still

What do you mean? you can change it exactly and in increments of 1 mhz or 1 mV

>>58343272
Mankind divided? a 1070 can't do 4k even at medium settings, the 480 is only 5fps behind it, it's a pretty hard game to run due to poor engine optimization

Just get a cheap decent dual fan 480, you can always run most AAA games at 1080p high-ultra and get perfect scaling

this one's around 200 GBP, close to half the cost with 80% of the performance
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/sx98TW/xfx-radeon-rx-480-4gb-rs-video-card-rx-480p4lfb6

Going down to 1080p medium the 480 averages over 60fps, and I just played through the game with an FX 8 core and 480 without much issue

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2016/08/23/deus-ex-mankind-divided-benchmarked/3

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What if all this is when AMD finally goes full madman and releases the tech the government didn't want them to. And puts out a card for $120 that outperforms the 1080ti

>>58343510
At the £200 mark he can get a 1060, which out-performs the 480 in most everything.

>4K

4K is a meme, 1440p is a much more reasonable resolution.

>>58343716
>he can get a 1060, which out-performs the 480 in most everything.
Nice meme 1060 shill

>>58343716
Not anymore? on average even in DX11 the 480 is now faster

DX12/Vulkan put it well over the top

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEw3CaNSbUo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s12S74umruY

>>58343716
>he can get a 1060, which out-performs the 480 in most everything.

Not really, it's about 50/50 these days.

>>58343716
and the cheapest 1060 6gb is a single fan model at 230 GBP

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/Ft7CmG/zotac-geforce-gtx-1060-6gb-mini-video-card-zt-p10600a-10l

no one should buy a 3gb 1060

>>58343716
>tfw 1060 is already spoiled milk
It was a good buy then too, holy shit what the fuck happened?

>>58343737
>>58343744
>>58343763
It's still not a clear-cut case. But the poster in question is looking at the 1070.
Don't get me wrong, the 480 is a great card. But trying to sell it over a 1070 by claiming it's "80% of the performance" is extremely disingenuous.


S/He should either pull the trigger on the 1070 he spotted, or wait for the Vega 1070 competitor.
Either way he can't go wrong, as all he does is play games.

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>all this shitposting
>everyone ignoring the best news about AMD today

Latest steppings of Ryzen are 95w 3.6ghz with 4ghz turbo.
The fucking Naples Opterons are going to have 32 cores clocked near 3ghz if they can hit 3.6ghz at 10w per core. E7 8890v4 is 24c/48t clocked at 2.2ghz.
Zen has near Broadwell IPC and potentially a massive clock advantage in the enterprise segment now.

>>58343826
Oh no, I wasn't saying the 480 was better than the 1070 at all. But I was saying it and the 1060 are about equal, the 1060 doesn't outperform it so frequently like you claim.

>>58336654
>tfw ve.ga is shaping up to be the greatest graphics card of all time

It just about beats the 1080 in an AMD sponsored, Vulkan API game.

It'll be worse than a 1080 in everything else, or at best, equal on average. The second they release a Vega GPU, Nvidia will just counter with a price cut for the 1080 and 1070, and announcing the 1080Ti for $1080.

And even that won't happen for at least a few more months.

Fuck that, I'm buying a 470. Best bang for the buck, and runs most games in 1080p fine.

>>58343885
>But I was saying it and the 1060 are about equal, the 1060 doesn't outperform it so frequently like you claim.

One of the posts was arguing that (using the "80% of the performance" meme), and it looks like I'm wrong about the 1060 figures, 3-4 months ago it was true. Looks like AMD have finally unlocked the card's potential.

>>58343826
Titanfall 2
480 82fps avg vs 1070 at 101 fps avg

http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/1271/bench/1080p.png

Battlefield 1
480 92 avg vs 1070 at 126 avg

http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/1267/bench/1080p.png

Mankind divided
480 62 avg vs 1070 at 82 avg

http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/1235/bench/Medium.png

70-80% is more accurate, but still it's over 60fps in most AAA games at 1080p

>>58344069
are you sure that's mankind divided and not human revolution? because mankind divided runs like shit on all hardware

>>58344081
Oh damn, I was talking about Doom, sorry. I'll delet

>>58343972
>but still it's over 60fps in most AAA games at 1080p

That it is, and I'm not doubting it's a good card. But that's also a here & now performance. In a year or two the 1070 is still going to easily outperform the 480, probably by a larger margin.
And if that poster gets a 1440p display, he'll benefit from having the 1070 due to its fantastic 1440p performance.

Also, I take issue with using percentages as an argument, since it can be very misleading. Take mass ratio/fraction in rocket science for example.
A 92% mass fraction rocket and a 95% rocket look similar, but the mass ratio is actually 12.5 for the 92% rocket, and 20 for the 95% rocket. That visualizes the difference far better.

In the benchmarks you provide, we see the 1070 consistently performing 20-30fps better at 1080p, that's a significant difference in performance.


If the post was looking between at a 1060, you'd have a better argument (480 now performs better than the 1060 in most cases).
But the poster was specifically looking at the 1070, and I'm fairly certain that he wants to keep running on that card for a long while.
Taking that into account, the 1070 is the more worthwhile purchase. I sat on my Phenom II X4 & GTX 770 (previously a HD5770) build for a long time before building my current Skylake system.

>>58343510
>actually playing at 4k when no card currently can play at this res without shit fps or settings

the best combination if you have a 4k tv/monitor is a 1070 and super resolution. a 1070 can handle 1440p 60 fps ~high/very high settings just fine and 1440p doesn't look bad on a 4k screen. the 1070 even has some headroom at 1440p so you cajn bump the res upto like 1600p or even 1800p and still get 60 fps at ~high settings. native 4k is a meme right now till the 1080 ti comes out but even then it's going to cost an arm and a leg, and so will the vega equivalent. 1070 is the best bang for your buck if you have a 4k screen.

>>58344165
>native 4k is a meme right now till the 1080 ti comes out but even then it's going to cost an arm and a leg, and so will the vega equivalent.

Native 4k is going to be a meme for at least another 3 years. When Nvidia's *70 cards and AMD's equivalent can do native 4K60fps, then the meme will be over.
But then you'll get into the argument of 4k60fps vs 1440p120fps.

>>58344195
>But then you'll get into the argument of 4k60fps vs 1440p120fps.

couch gaming on a pc has become really popular recently. i'd assume most people will just buy a 60hz 4k tv rather than a 1440p high refresh rate monitor.

i won't be surprised if we get variable refresh rate tv's in the future because of consoles.

>>58336654
>http://www.pcgameshardware.de/AMD-Radeon-Grafikkarte-255597/Specials/Vega-10-HBM2-GTX-1080-1215734/
>Eine mögliche Erklärung, warum AMD den Consumer-Vega bisher nur mit 8 GiByte gezeigt hat, könnte bei der Verfügbarkeit von 8 GiByte großen HBM2-Stacks (acht Speicherlagen, "8-Hi") liegen - solche scheinen momentan nämlich quasi nicht erhältlich zu sein. Im Falle von SK Hynix sieht es sogar bei den kleinen 4-Hi-Modulen mit 4 GiByte schlecht aus. Wurde im Juli noch eine Verfügbarkeit ab dem dritten Quartal in Aussicht gestellt, heißt es seit Oktober lediglich "Availability to be determined", zu Deutsch "Verfügbarkeit noch offen". Samsung hat seinen Product Selection Guide zuletzt für das erste Halbjahr 2016 aktualisiert und sich auch sonst zuletzt im Januar über die anlaufende HBM2-Produktion mit 4-Hi-4-GiB-Stacks geäußert. Interessant wäre an dieser Stelle, ob auf den ersten MI25-Samples auch noch 4-GiByte-Module oder Vorserienmuster von 8-GiByte-Stacks verwendet werden. [Update Ende]

looks like AMD will not be able to produce their little "super" toy, or they will have to reduce the performance.

inb4: use google translate, I am not your nigger

>>58338601

it lagged for a millisecond lol.

listen to this crazy idea, ITS NOT A FUCKING FINISHED PRODUCT AND IT DOESNT HAVE FINISHED DRIVERS.

tho i did expect to have at least 25% more power than Titan XP.

looks like its only 10% faster

>>58340349

4k in gaming is kinda dumb. in windows desktop it makes sense, but in games, you can just drop to 1440p and add +2 AA and be just as well off with better FPS.

>caring this much about brand loyalty

>>58342090

the card isnt even out yet newfriend.

you are talking like you actually have it in your system right now and it has issues you are trying to fix.

wait until a decent review is out then start your micropenis measuring competition.

>>58340123
A bigger benchmark is the Starwars battlefront one. No Vulkan advantage for AMD but the Vega card still maintains a rock solid 60FPS lock at 4k ULTRA it only dips to 59 and occasionally 58fps.

This is undeveloped silicon with fucking Fiji Drivers and its performing like this? holy fuck AMD has a monster on their hands.

how do we know it's it's not just a shrunk fiji with some tweaks?

>tfw vega and ryzen
All the waiting has paid off

>>58344608
Another rebrand 100%. Like they did with 480!

>>58344608
Because they showed slides of the architecture.

>>58344143
he's buying a 65" 4k TV

>>58339467
>>58339530
>>58339566
Just tried it, doom runs 55-70fps at 4K with a 1070, everything on high/ultra (no nightmare settings)
Doom is not that fucking hard to run, and graphics settings barely make any difference in performance for doom
Doom is just really well made and shouldn't be used to compare hardware at all

>>58339598
why would they do that?

>>58341722
Vega is 500 series
The 490 is still up in the air whether it's vega or not, they already said the RX 480 is the fully ungimped Polaris chip so who knows what it'll be
I'm betting on a crossfire card, a 480X or something

>>58338670
>engineering sample with very unfinished drivers
Incidentally the drivers will never be finished

>>58344608
they overhauled almost every part of the architecture. most importantly the core

>>58340878
>Literal poo in loo background

>>58344621
I have been waiting for six years. I really want to upgrade my 3570k and GTX 970. I'd like to finally get rid of 1080p.

>>58343451
Nobody can give an absolute answer on the die size yet. I have personally seen values ranging between 430 and 550mm square and thaws a gigantic range.

>>58339607
Damn, Really AMD?????????????

>>58344979
Then he should get a 1070, run games at 1440p or 1600p, which looks good on a 4K panel, and run the desktop at native 4K.
1440/1600p (or even 1800p, if the game is well put together like Doom or Battlefront) upscaled to 4K gives you the benefits of high-resolution gaming without the low performance of native 4K.

>>58346357
1440p scales to 2880p

1080p scales perfectly to 2160p

Or better yet he should just wait for Vega

>>58342689
>I don't get it. What's the issue here? It looks flawless to me.
Exactly! It's just like >>58338670 says.

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>>58342185
Either the greatest ayymd fanboi ever of just a genuine poojeet shill.
>yfw

>>58341727
wait for their APUs later this year. Summit Ridge Vega are CPUs without graphic units, they are not ideal for very small form factors.

>>58341599
what's a packed math

>>58336654
>cheaper and better than nivdia

AMD wins again baby

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What's after vega? What should I wait for now?

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>>58347916
NAVI DENDI BEST ESPORT CARD ON MARKET!!!!

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>>58347953
Due to our astonish nest gen technology you could run whole tournament of Dota 2 on single Navi Card.

Make some "fart" noise.

>>58341727
what the fuck is this boards fetish with mini itx?

>>58348055
just want to point out, there is no way in hell amd is beating nvidia on opengl, at least use a vulcan chart

>>58345630
Yeah 3.5GB isn't enough for 1080p

>>58348163
terrible meme. i know people who own old 2gb cards and their games run fine.

source: i play with them - bf1, fh3, gta5 etc

>>58348163
It is, but it's slowly not being the case now that the midrange has 4GB+ cards as the norm.

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>>58348238
Vulkan always favoured AMD cards so in real games it will land below gtx 1080 which is still really good. But anyway that card will cost over 400 euros in europe so who fucking cares?

HOW AYYMD EVEN RECOVER
>37fps

>>58348277
Based fat kid

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>>58339143
>Nvidia
>100%

>>58348277
>>58348310
Didn't his brother steal his GPU?

>>58348439
yes, AMDfats are pathetic

>>58348439
Yeah, he stole his virginity too.

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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6CrvyXeT9Q
>the state of AYYYYMD

>>58338612
Consumerism is technology
Free markets gave you everything you love

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>>58348542
>Enslaving kids to make ads

wow i'm impressed by Pajets

>>58345134
so no sneaky bastard would try to get any info on the card/pcb/etc.

>>58348093
The new architecture is better than nvidia on openGL cry about it

>>58340231
Maxwell titan x is out performed by a 980 ti, so it's not that surprising the performance isn't much higher than the 980 equivalent pascal.

In dx11 980ti is and always was around 1070 level.

>>58350790
not exactly. The 1070 has lower minimums than the 980ti and when you crank up settings there are a lot of games at 1440p that lag behind and when a heavy OC on a 980ti happens it blasts the 1070 in alot of games.

The clockspeed gains are legit but the lower bandwidth and fewer CUDA cores do show when the 1070 is taxed.

The biggest advantage of the 1070 is power efficiency and lower cost.

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>>58340878
>Network storage
>Even GPUs are botnets

>>58348542
>make some noise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fycqzteifsA