ITT: HDD shills try to convince me that it's acceptable

It's cheaper for use as storage media

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If you care about your data, SSD is the only way to go. So...

>15 TB worth on HDD
>$500
>15 TB worth on SSD
>second mortgage

>>58279569
>being a poorfag
>>58279665
>needing to store 15tb of data

>>58279613
This. If you want a facebook machine go with a HDD.

This is not how shilling works

>>58279537
>HDD dies
>It will probably still be accessible through a Linux live image
>SSD dies
>can't recover a single byte of information

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>>58279665
>15 TB

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>>58279692
>>needing to store 15tb of data

>>58279713
15TB is pleb shit
Gonna have almost 30 soon

>>58279613
>If you care about your data, SSD is the only way to go.
>not having backup HDDs since they're so cheap

I have several TBs with backups. This would cost me a significant amount more in SSD, and the SSD would last less amount of time because muh write cycles

Found the gofundme in OPs pic. Site URL then /3696qug

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>>58279665
>>58279713
>>58279722
YIFY plebs detected

>>58279744
black man here
i was trying to say he's stupid for thinking that 15TB is a lot

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>>58279725
Movie buff?

>>58279781
Movies, TV, music, books/audiobooks and other random shit I want to archive

>>58279537
>HDD
storage only
>SSD
performance

if you're constantly using software/programs that require constant reading/writing to storage, then SSD is completely justified. If you're not, then HDD is perfectly fine to use

it's 2017, you should realistically have one of each in your desktop anyway, and if you don't well it's your own fault for being a jew or retarded

>>58279537
HDDs are cheaper and there's no real difference in performance if you're not a gaymur faggot. It won't kill you to wait another 10th of a second for that gay porn video to open, you cock sucker. Stop shilling your stupid jew drives.

>2017
>moving parts
>in a pc

>>58279847
>non-passive cooling

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>>58279820
>archive
You should dump some links in your spare time.

What's the point of making this thread?

>>58279859
unboxing thread before anything is bought.

>boot drive: SSD
>storage: HDD

Not a fucking difficult concept. If you're still using a HDD as a boot drive you're a fucking 3rd worlder and shouldn't post on 4chan at all.

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>>58279537
I'm on an AMD system with some ChinkMicron/AssMedia/whatever SATA3 controller which would bottleneck an SSD hard.
I'm using a CRT monitor, faster boot times would be wasted because what's the point if my screen is going to still be dark by the time the desktop's ready.
HDDs offer vastly superior price to capacity ratio and they will still do that till the day they stop being mass produced and become retroware.
SSD prices have stopped going down and are about to go up.

Good luck trying to jew me, SSD shills.

>>58279858
I've only got 1Mb/s upload otherwise I'd host it all the non-copyrighted stuff publicly

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>>58279876

There's no excuse. Even some chink Micro SD cards would perform better than your 5400 RPM clickdrive and be more reliable.

>>58279924
>chink Micro SD cards
>more reliable.

gr8 b8 m8

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>>58279946
Exactly. Not to even mention doing something akin to RAID 0 with them.
>just 1 of the chink microSDs dies
>I lose all my data
No thanks. I'll stick to my 7200RPM HDD.

i use both

1 SSD for the OS
1 SSD for games
2 HDDs for storage

OP sounds like a laptoppoorfag

>>58280203

Whatever 3rd worlder, you're fucked both ways.

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ssd for the OS and everyday apps/games, stuff that will take full advantage the latency and iops. HDD's for literally everything else from pictures, videos, backups, important documents/data.. etc. hdd's are fast enough to easily stream 4k videos. There's no reason to waste the relatively precious $/gb of an SSD for most data. It's pure luck that the kind of data that you should keep on an SSD is also usually not a big deal to replace if it breaks, so the fact that there's no chance of recovery is hardly an issue.

If you're really price constrained and dead set on using an HDD, please at least consider picking up a 30-32gb ssd for the price of a pizza and just use it in tandem with a HDD as a pagefile disk, that's a noticeable improvement in performance for very little cost.

Me personally, I just use a 512gb ssd and periodically make a backup on a 750gb 7200rpm internal hdd just in case. I don't deal with a lot of data though so it's easy for me to get away with not needing any sort of external solutions.

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>>58280307
I am doing fine here but whatever you say, SSD shill anon. Literally the only thing that sucks here is buying computer hardware. If anything, you're the one who's fucked. I can already see progressivism doing damage here - it's definitely much, much worse in the "1st world" you imply you live in.

>>58279876
>HDDs offer vastly superior price to capacity ratio and they will still do that till the day they stop being mass produced and become retroware.

Not likely to ever happen. They will always have their place in a world where the materials and means to product magnetic disks and actuators is easier and cheaper than semiconductor lithography.. which should be forever unless things get really weird economically.

>>58280612

>SSD shill anon

Yeah SSD manufacturers need shills. Sure isn't 2007 in your mind and country is it? Nope. Get fucked pajeet.

>>58279711
This. he blessed with kek's too..

>>58279537
My SSD died after a year, yet my HDD remains functional after 4.

>>58280850
It's called dubs not keks... Fucking newfags.

HDD shills are poorfags that want to defend shit performance and poor load times.

SSD in my desktop + laptop, only my NAS gets HDDs because I don't give a shit about performance for large video files.

>>58279725
66 hours at PEAK performance to fill her up, i hope you don't suffer some sort of catastrophic failure. that's a lot of money to lose. time too
having such stupidly high storage makes SSDs look genuinely useful.

>>58279537
Why not both?

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>>58280831
>Get fucked pajeet.
Nice ad hominem. So far the only one getting fucked here is you. You still haven't brought up a good reason for someone like myself to buy an SSD.
>Yeah SSD manufacturers need shills.
Yes, they do. For decades everyone was happy with their HDDs and then you SSD shills came with the "oy vey goy, you absolutely need this new thing that speeds up the load time of your OS by 5 seconds and the loading of your web browser by almost 1 second, the goy next to you already has it, are you a true member of the one and only PC Master Race™ or not? this thing costs only 10 times more than an old and very slow hard drive of similar capacity but you have my (Schlomo's) word that it's definitely worth it, go buy it goy".
The fact that others are getting jewed easily doesn't mean that you can jew me,

>>58279613
>leave drive unplugged for a few months
>my data is gone
yeah, this sure is superior! $0.50 ssd shekels deposited.

>>58280504
neck yourself, furfag

>>58281239
If all you're doing is shitting around on a desktop there's really no point, If your workload needs heavy IOPS, SSDs (esp nvme) are pretty awesome, since that's where they just whip on hard drives.

>>58279537
>I give a fuck what other ppl think

The famous 4chan slogan applies: "Kill yourself".

>>58279537
>>58280911
>HDD shills

HDDs don't need to be shilled for, they're an already proven technology. SSDs can't compete yet as pure storage devices.
The current situation of HDDs and SSDs is like the situation of CRTs and LCDs about 13 years ago except instead of much thinner screens we get much faster load times. The first few generations of the new technology have issues but once the new technology gets more refined, manufacturing gets cheaper and the prices go down the new technology pushes the old one out of the market.
SSDs will push HDDs out of the market eventually but that time is yet to come.

>tfw supposed NAND shortage
Give me a fucking break. Still waiting on the cheap SSD revolution.

>>58281433
>IOPS
Ahh, the buzzword you SSD shills love to use.

>>58281620
Yes, being able to make lots of writes and reads to durable storage rapidly is not useful at all and totally just a buzzword.

>>58281633
>implying every SSD owner is editing uncompressed 4k 60FPS video

>>58281688
Well, I was thinking durable storage for hypervisors or database servers.

>>58279537
40TB of storage as SSDs would be pretty expensive.

>>58281620
IOPS is what you looked at for HDD as well. It still is.

>>58281700
Which is totally the same thing as the SSDs for home use you're shilling for, right?

>>58281750
For desktop use? I have them, because Schlomo got to me already.

I don't really care if you buy them or not, it does not offend me if you never buy an SSD. I just think it's silly to discount them just because they cost more per unit of storage than HDs. They offer performance advantages that are worth considering for certain tasks.

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>>58281338
Why though?

>>58281750
And really, all things considered, we have what would have been called supercomputers in the 90s, on our desktops. SSDs just represent another step in that advancement. And then 10 years later we'll just be using memristors and someone will be like 'fucking memristor shills!'

>>58281239

>You still haven't brought up a good reason for someone like myself to buy an SSD.

I don't want someone like you to buy an SSD you dumb fuck. You think I'm trying to convince you of anything? You're evidently tech illiterate and think the natural progression from spinning HDDs to NAND chips is a Jewish plot.

Its amazing that this is a tech board.

>>58281239
excuse me sir but "an SSD" makes no sense. I know that when you say it in your head it sounds like Ess Ess Dee so your brain wants to assign 'an' to it, but the reality is you should be typing "a SSD" as in "a Solid State Drive

>>58280504
>>58281338
>>58281818
He isn't just a furfag, he's a furfag for one of the worst, most generic gay furry VN's ever.

...D-don't ask me how I know though. Um, my retarded friend I used to know played it. Get lost

>>58279692
15tb isn't even that extreme.

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>>58281847
mistakes into miracles, anon.

That's not how it works. "an SSD" is correct.

>>58279876
I have ssd in my thinkpad t60p which only supports sata1. Boots as fast as my desktop pc. Not that I need it to, but I don't say no to performance

>>58279711
>doesn't know shit about data recovery
>believes everything cs professor says

>>58281869
>ATM Machine

>>58281843 A and an are based of SOUNDING like vowels. So since it DOES have an E sound it IS "an SSD"

>>58279711
To be fair, if durability is a concern, you should have replication in play.

>>58281882
if the controller dies you're fucked

>>58281893
>>58281843
This is why people hate SSD's, everyone is pronouncing them wrong and you sound like a 2 year old so they don't buy.

>You want me to get a what?
>Buy an "seesdeh"
>A what?
>"SEESDUH"
>Fuck you
>"SSSSSssDEE"

look at me im a retard

>>58281908
>>58281908
How do you pronounce the letter S wrong?

SLC Caching is cancer

>>58281981
muh benchmarks

>>58281158
if They didn't cost 10x a much they would be

>>58281882
It's personal experience you dumbfuck.

>>58281738
>he fell for the "high performance" hard drive meme

You got jewed just as much as people who fell for the SSD meme.
Convince me you needed anything more than a WD Blue/Seagate Barracuda/Hitachi Deskstar.

>>58282169
You don't. You could shitpost just fine with an 800 mhz PIII from 2000. Desktop hardware is vastly overpowered.

>>58279537
SSD's are for boot drives and files you need to access quickly, Hard Drives are for Usenet/Torrenting/Backups/Long term storage.

>>58281325
That actually isn't true you huge fucking faggot, it has been proven not to be.

>>58279735
here's your (you)

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>>58282211
Fucking this, why would you ever leave sensitive data on a SSD, just use it to boot OS and programs that can easily be reinstalled
Data on a HDD

>2017
>not using SRAM
For applications that use a lot of reading and writing to ram this is the way to go.
Go ahead SDRAM shills, give me one reason SDRAM is better.
Pro Tip: You cant.

>>58282206
some web pages even make my haswell i5 chew its food, and the same ones bring my pentium D to its knees completely unable to do anything.

>>58279537
Can I get a 4TB SSD for $120? No? How about 2TB? Hell, even 1TB for a reasonable price.

It's cheaper and faster to just buy a ton of RAM and cache your shit while also giving you the benefit of more persistent storage. Even if I had an SSD I'd still use RAM over it for most of the work cases where I need speed, it's faster and doesn't have the same write limitations.

>>58282275
Stop going to those sites.

SSDs do make a slight difference. Your PC will boot faster and be usable faster once it reaches the desktop.

It is also more snappy when opening applications, and transferring data.

Other then that I haven't noticed such a huge difference performance wise.

I have a Crucial MX300 275GB as a boot drive, a WD Blue 1TB as a game drive, and WD Green 4TB as a mass storage for porn, movies, tv shows, game torrents, isos, and etc.

>>58281325
>car drives by outside
>needle on HDD gouges out disk due to vibrations

Wow gee a spinning disk platter sure is great storage medium

>>58282360
>weekly electromagnet truck drives by house
>all data is gone from all medium
Good idea idiots

>>58282285
You're not going to see reasonable prices, what, $~600 for a 1TB nvme SSD. It'll have more throughput than a dozen hard drives, though.

>>58282379
>Not storing all your data on encrypted S3 bucket
>Amazon goes out of business and you lose it all

>>58282041
cost does not apply when discussing performance, and the necessity of things.

for a pci e ssd that can max out a x4 lane, it would only take four hours to fill up 30tb, without losing 15% disk space in the process as well.. HDDs get stupidly slow when you dont leave 15% free, idek why.

then again, you would need some incredible ethernet, or a thunderbolt port to copy something with enough read speed to cover the ssd write speed, the bottlenecks and the cost, just don't make ssds worth their high price.

>>58282407
How frequently would are you filling up 30TB that it would justify that price increase?

>>58282407
>idek why
Read speed varies depending on where the data is, it's faster to read from the edges than it is from the center because the circle is smaller and fits less data which almost always means you have to seek to another track or whatever they call it on platters where you move the needle. It's the same reason people pad CDs. AHCI should make this less of an issue though for HDDs.

>>58282169
What I was meaning was you looked at IOPS with your HDD as well to see how much it could handle.
I'm loaded up with Barracuda ES drives from a decade ago, still working fine.
The Desktars had better IOPS and might have been a better choice given the current IOPS.
That being said, these drives have served me for over a decade so I'm fine with that.

>>58282425
No /g/ shitposter is going to be buying that much SSD storage outside of work.
Considering line speed on 1GBe is 125 MB/sec, if you're just setting up a NAS, a shit ton of hard drives is fine. You could also get some 10GBe cards and ensure your moeblob animu collection is stored away quickly.

>>58282593
Are you gonna remove it from the enclosure? That is what I did with my 4TB.

>>58282632
It's working just fine USB. 40C and getting 175MB/s reads and writes. I don't have hard drive cages so there's no pressing need to put it on the stack with my other drives.

>>58282694
Sounds good. How did you get it so fucking cheap? Also those speeds are pretty quick.

>>58282949
Fry's after Christmas special.
The deal went live half a day early. Sheer luck I happened to refresh the page when I did and get one.

i like HDD because it makes funny sounds

>>58279537
For storage an HDD is fine and if you keep it unplugged most of the time, it's even better

>>58279537

Just raw storage HDD is still better.

If you ahve a drive you install shit to or run games off of or anything at all performance related SSD best.