AMD Radeon Vega Announcement in 3 days https://www.youtube.c

http://ve.ga/ countdown

>>58271371
So they're doing a Vega Announcement a day before Nvidia does their 1080Ti announcement.

Then doing a Zen display the very next day.

Either AMD's marketing department has become based and managed to put this together in like a few days or they played Nvidia like a fiddle.

>>58271443
This is going to be good

>150 watts
>passively cooled

what the fug

>>58271558
Built for Servers with high Airflow Cooling, so that they only need the passive heatsink

>>58271613
I wish I could have an enclosed HVAC system for my pc. Has anyone ever been inside an air handler? Shits so comfy.

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Join the rebel forces!

>>58271558
>doesn't know what TDP is

>>58271682

It's a damned shame that they aren't competatively priced in Europe.

>>58272004

What?

Nvidia is expensive as shit here everyone uses AMD

>>58272004
>>58272018
I thought nvidia is overpriced as fuck in euroland?

>>58272029
>>58272018
>>58272004
It's a clusterfuck over there with Nvidia being crazy overpriced in some nations and almost undercutting AMD in others.

>>58272018

Serious? Everywhere I look AMD models are overpriced by anywhere between 20-40 Euros, enough to make similarly performing nvidia cards far more competative unless you're looking for dirt cheap RX 460s. It's pretty fucking annoying because it makes the RX 480 into 250 euro cards.

Maybe this is something that only applies to Sweden but I somehow doubt that's the case.

>>58272029
NVidia is overpriced as fuck everywhere.

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>>58271371
what is this shit

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>>58272122
DELET MY USERNAME NOW

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>>58271371
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>>58272071
>RX 480 into 250 euro cards

Why are you buying an 8GB 480?

prepare do be disappointed

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Right here gtx 1060 6gb costs 280+ while rx 480 8gb 290+ euros. I was trying to build a "budget" rig with i5 6500 and 1060 3gb but basically gave up at this point because pricing/performance ratios are fucked and was going to get 480 4gb.
Should I be hyped about Zen and Vega? Do they plan make budget version? I just don't know anymore.

Is this going to showcase the 16gb HBM2 card?

>>58272346
I'm going to go Zen and Vega/Polaris. If your going budget get a Polaris card. If you go all AMD the integrated graphics on the Zen chip and Vega/Polaris will work together.

>>58272346
only Zen will have budget version ($150 for 4c/4ht and $250 for 6c/6ht), Vega is worthless for 99% of people who don't give a fuck about $400 cards (which will be $600 in europe so even more fuck off)

>>58271646
>air handler
what's stopping you from making one

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>>58272456
>>58272472
Why I had to plan to build shit on the edge of revolution.

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>>58272346
>>58272472
Continuing, well i bought gtx 1060 6gb for $368 from amazon.com with shipping, prices for EU region are fucked every AMD card is super overpriced there, so yeah Vega is worthless for 99% of people who doesn't give a fuck about 500-600 euro cards. $150 (so about 200euros) 4core/4hyperthreading Zen may be pretty good.

>>58272515
VEGA is not for the budget plus the 480 has been doing really well.

>>58272346

My advice is to wait for the release of zen and vega for no other reason that they will make Intel and Nvidia lower their prices.

>>58272456
what the fuck are you smoking, RyZen/Summit Ridge doesn't have any integrated graphics, you're thinking of Raven Ridge.

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>>58272577
I'm not sure about Zen either. Even with budget powerful CPU any card I'll pick now will probably just throttle it, won't it? And I haven't even tapped into AM4 motherboards.
>>58272660
Sounds like I have no other choice but to go into standby mode.

>>58272456
The first Zen CPUs that will hit the market won't have any integrated graphics at all and will be 8 core high-end models.

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This gem was in the drummer video...

Surely AMD must be really confident if they're burning nvidia like this?

AYYMD HOUSEFIRES

>>58272837
Volta confirmed DOA

>>58272837
wait a minute...if Volta is poor does that mean that Volta is an AMD customer?

shocking.

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>>58272837
AMD always does this shit throwing jabs at Nvidia, really unprofessional.

Meanwhile on the Nvidia side, at worst you get some Nvidia worker posting some witty remarks on twitter but nothing ever from Nvidia itself.

AMD should just shut the fuck up and release good products instead of trying to start some hype bullshit, only retards and fanboys eat that shit up, they don't even have anything to go against Pascal.

Meanwhile Nvidia still has the full GP102 available and if that ever makes it to the market as a Geforce card it will provide a significantly upgrade to the Titan X Pascal.

There is still the GP100 with HBM2 too, while it could never be used as a Geforce card just the fact that Nvidia already has HBM2 in use and on the field shows they are ahead of the curve.


If AMD wants to sell me something they need to show me a god product, I'm not falling for that fanboy shit.

>>58273506
That's cause Nvidia is run by professional computer/electrical engineers while AMD is run "by gamers for gamers xdddddddd"

Source: did internships at both companies

AMD is always an unprofessional company, they always try to disrupt Intel Developer Forum by putting employees where IDF conference is happening

Low class company always flailing arms around saying look at us

>>58273579

lmao at this nvidicuck shill

sorry that you got outplayed, again

its just business, kid.

>>58273585
Nvidia is shipping GP102 for months now and launching GTX 1080 Ti this week

Vega isn't launching anytime soon, you dumb faggots got outplayed and destroyed by Nvidia, stay mad AYYMDPOORFAGS

>>58273579

yes

marketing potshots are always worse than actively looking to cripple amd cards and stuffing games with gimpworks in exchange for dev bribes

>>58273605
cant wait for more gddr5 boards, the way its really meant to be played tbqh

>>58273680
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5gqm2u/async_compute_disabled_on_gcn_10_since_1692/

AMD caught gimping older GPUs, stay mad AYYMDPOORFAGSs

>>58273715
HAHAHAHA AMD got btfo by AMD

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>>58273715
>nvidicuck shills unironically linking to reddit

you have to go back

>>58273821
>BUTTMAD AYYMDPOORFAGS GIMPED BY AMD DETECTED

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>>58273833

>>58273680
Maybe if they didn't spend their cash on marketing ploys AMD could make cards that aren't crippled.

Rally causes one to ponder...

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>>58273872
I really doubt AMD spends more on marketing than nvidia

Just look at all of the paid shills in this thread

#AMDomination

>>58273506
That chart doesn't make sense, only 9%~ of the shaders are disabled for Titan X's

GP100 also isn't anywhere near ready, engineering samples are in the wild finally, but if you think it's released then you're delusional.

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>>58273848

>>58271371
$400-600 in NA, $500-700 in EU

in trash it goes

>>58271983
>thermal design point
>implying anything can sap that much heat passively

>>58272018
bullshit, here in EU Nvidia is at least 10euros cheaper (some are still 20-30eur cheaper) and at launch of rx 480, gtx 1060 6gb was 50 euro cheaper than amd

>>58271443
I believe the new head of AMD marketing came from either Nvidia or Razer.

>>58272018
>>58272029
my mate bought his zotac gtx 1060 6gb for £220 like 3 months ago when the stock rx 480 8gb were going for the same price. nvidia tends to be cheaper here. my other mate bought a msi 390 a year ago for £330 when the 970 FTW was going for £300. at the time everyone was confused about the ramgate issue so we concluded the 390 was the safer bet.

turns out that 970 ftw is one of the best models available. almost 980 performance. oh well, you live and you learn.

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>>58275506
yep you live and you learn

What do more expensive motherboards have over cheap ones?
Expect more sockets/slots obviously

>>58275569
why are you posting stock benchmarks when none of the gpu i mentioned are stock? from recent benchmarks that have been posted on here with aftermarket gpu, even a regular 970 ssc (which is a tier lower than the FTW) beats even an overclocked 390x in recent games.

>>58271443
Nvidia event is January 4th, 6:30PM PST
AMD countdown ends January 5th 6:00 AM PST

Is AMD doing a special event that's not in Vegas? 6 AM would be a weird time for a presentaiton.

>>58275623
Nah you can't make that large a gap up with overclocking anymore, even with how well Maxwell overclocks.

>>58273506
>quadro p6000
lmfao
pretty sure the framerate is only that bad because of AA, turn it off considering it isn't needed for 4k anyways. and you should notice a massive improvement.

unless the game is really nothing but a poorly coded piece of dogshit ofc.

>>58275644
http://media.gamersnexus.net/images/media/2016/game-bench/watch-dogs2/watch-dogs-2-gpu-1080-ultra.png

http://media.gamersnexus.net/images/media/2016/game-bench/battlefield/bf1-benchmark-1080p-dx11.png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWgy9pq5W54

here are 3 with the 970 ssc. from what i've seen the stock 970 sucks ass now for whatever reason but the decent aftermarket versions are still pretty good. imo the best value gpu nowadays is either the 470 4gb at around £170 or a used 970 from a good vendor (ie msi, evga, asus) for about the same price or slightly cheaper. the 1060 and 480 are shit value considering a 1070 is like £100 more for ~40% extra performance.

>>58275754
>Nvidia promoted game
>and DX11 BF1

first youtube comment says it best
>in what universe is 1430 MHz an average 970? video should be called overclocked 970 vs stock 390. feels like I'm watching a digital foundry video

we were talking about the 390X, not the 390.

>>58273506
AMD history of this shit goes back to Prescott but at least Athlon was clearly superior then.

>>58275915
don't even click on those youtube links. It's wothless slavs and chinks who shill themselves out for free hardware or do paid for reviews. It's the cheapest way to get fake reviews out. Youtubers will do anything for $200.

>>58273821
>MAGA edit
literally newfag cancer

>>58275915
what is it with people here and the instant denial at everything when it doesn't fit their narrative? i'm not being a fanboy here. i provided my observation based on some recent benchmarks i've seen which stemmed from a situation i had with a friend over a gpu purchase a year ago. there is no fanboysim going on in my posts, so don't act like a fanboy yourself by going into a wall of denial instead of having an educated discussion about these interesting findings.

>Nvidia promoted game

since there is only a few fps between amd and nvidia gpu, i'd conclude that there isn't any of the hairworks crippling stuff going on there. performance looks about normal. it looks like the overclocked 970 just handles the game better than the other gpu, even the 1060.

>and DX11 BF1

dx12 mode is broken though and the guy in the video even mentioned it. even gamersnexus in their review mentioned it, as did techspot and guru3d. dx11 mode would have been the logical api for testing based on this. there is nothing wrong on their part there.

>>in what universe is 1430 MHz an average 970? video should be called overclocked 970 vs stock 390. feels like I'm watching a digital foundry video

again, be objective here. he mentioned in the video he chose the 2 best 390 and 970 he could get at those pricepoints. if the 970 ssc and sapphire 390 are the same price where he lives then that is a fair comparison. it won't be unusual to see this kind of comparison since i've already mentioned that i have seen first hand that a good 970 was in fact cheaper than a 390 by quite a margin >>58275506. pc part picker price history could probably confirm it for you if you really are bothered by it. also jokerproductions isn't biased if you think that. if anything he is slightly pro amd if you check his recent stock 390 vs stock 970 video he makes stupid fanboy comments which are weird and i hope they're just jokes.

>we were talking about the 390X, not the 390.

see the first 2 benches

>>58276150
Don't bother with poojeets.

>>58275385
This is the GP100 you fucking retard.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/tesla-p100.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbJa2ueGdTk

It has nothing to do with gaming you ignorant monkey.


GP102, GP104, GP106, GP107 are different architecture, the Quadro P6000 is the full GP102 chip.

>>58275750

>4k doesn't need AA

maybe on your tiny 4k screen it doesn't, but when you're using a real man's screen you definitely need AA.

now if you'll excuse me, going back to playing TW3 on ultra at 4k at 45-60 fps with AA.

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>>58276495
B-BUT NOVIDYA IS FOR /V/IRGIN GAYMERS
AMD IS FOR PROFESSIONAL WORK

>>58276743
>at 45-60
Cool power point presentation, Onii-chan

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>>58276855

eh, i normally just run it on 1440p cause it looks just as good and stays locked at 60.

>>58277019
did you collect your reward for kill the chort though?

>>58277059

on my way right now.

>>58276743
>real man's screen
lol you limp dick is showing anon.
4k certainly does not need AA, even infront of a 24inch from a foot away.

>>58277147

>24"
>4K

Thats how you spot a retard.

>>58277019
>cinematic 45 fps
lmaoing at ur life while i enjoy tw3 on my rx 480 maxed out with memeworks disabled at 60 fps constant.

>>58277176

good thing someone else knows what's up.

>>58277202

not in 4k you don't. and everybody disables memworks.

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I don't understand what is wrong you people.

How can anyone be this PERSONALLY involved in a company and its product without working in said company? This is beyond me.

Not only you're personally involved in some of the most inane arguments ever, there's the possibility you don't even OWN the damn products in question.

Are you insane?

>>58277176
>missing the point entirely
found the retard.
>27inch from two feet away
there, happy? does this help settle your cripling autism?

>>58277217
not even 1080p runs at stable 60fps max settings on a 480

>>58276150
>970 ssc
they clock at 1342mhz, that 970 was running at 1430.

>>58275452
I know people are sheeple and stupid, but check the minimum wage and compare it to the region you are comparing prices to before complaining please.

>>58277563
that's normal though. all nvidia cards since kepler have a massive boost above their base clock.

>>58276495
I know dipshit, the P6000 is GP102, Titan X is GP102

Their meme DGX-1 with NVLINK™ have GP100's, and that video has a platform with engineering samples.

>>58277606

how long until nvidia's cards are pushing 2.5 ghz? 3 ghz?

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>>58277606
baseclock for the SSC is 1190mhz, 1342mhz is the boost clock

>>58277639
and the base clock of my 980 is 1229 with the boost at 1330 yet it regularly boosts above 1400 mhz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R8F-aN6W4g

>>58277677
Yeah before it heats up. When doing reviews it's important to get the system at thermal equilibrium before running the actual test.

>>58277625
GP100 doesn't have basically any of the front end stuff for rendering, it's pure compute.

calling it now

AMD bankrupt

1080 Ti most sold GPU of 2017

>>58277711
>Yeah before it heats up.

what? under full load it still manages to stay above 1400 mhz. i'm talking at even 80+ degrees. it generally doesn't even get that hot unless my room is hot. it stays around 70C.

>AMD so fucking poor they let some underage boy perform "le after the uprising"

haha

literally nobody joined their pathetic rebellion

>>58277897

Lol. Amd marketing team is awful.

A hall filled with drums.

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I really like that spot
the drums are awesome, the rise in volume shaken my room

do you know of PC hardware marketing spots that are better, that dont only do presenting specs/hardware/showing product?

>>58278036

you are retarded

they showed you drums instead of gpu's

on their next Zen trailer they will show dirty toilet seats

very innovative without even mentioning a single info about specs, price, date

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>>58278141
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSlhbBBBi3A
>they did not even shown me specs of the car

Nvidia has on same date their 1080 Ti presentation. They have a countdown on their websites too.

AMD btfo ?

>>58278247
good that you bothered to read first 3 comments ITT

>>58278262

delete your post

>>58278240

that trailer atleast makes sense and car manufacturers have detailed info beforehand on their websites.

>>58273537
Then how the fuck did they develop all this shit

>>58273537
> did internships at both companies
How the fuck do you become an intern at two fucking companies? How long are you planning to be an intern?

>>58273537
Ye, the company that gave us x86-64 is surely run by them.

>>58275638
Pajeet doesn't want to fix his jet lag

>>58271646
But loud as fuck up close to the refrigeration unit.

>>58273537
you interned in the marketing side, you absolute walnut

No guys keep waiting, in 20 years Nvidia will make a GPU with 5% better price/performance, don't waste your money on a new GPU now, better wait

>>58275638
Yeah, the OP fucked me up and I didn't check the

That is a very very weird time considering CES will be going on and also it's 2 hours before the doors open for the day for CES so it has to be some outside thing.

>>58272071
SWEDEN YES

>>58271371
P A L E
A
L
E

I miss IN elite.

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>>58272029

AMD is either on par with Nvidia or more expensive here in Finland.
Makes absolutely zero sense to buy those cards here.

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>>58281579
pls buy our gpus
they're futureproof and have true dx12 support

Realistically, will they be able to compete with nVidia and Intel's current cream of the crop?

>>58281666
No, Satan. If you have the money, you go nvidia+intel.

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>2X PACKED MATH


I WANT PACKED MATH


WHAT IS A PACKED MATH

>>58281666

I bet that Vega is going to trade blows with 1070 at best, but it's going to consume 2x more power or something.

AMD should have brought this out months ago.
So many people have already gotten the 1070 that their potential market has shrunk quite a bit.
They might be able to compete against 1070 regarding performance, but are they the more attractive option? Probably not.
Especially if they're going to be selling for similar prices.

>>58281741

>2x Packed Math (this appears to hint at the fact that there might actually be a dual GPU beneath the hood – but as you will see below, this is actually not the case) and will be passively cooled. Since this is primarily an accelerator, no video output feeds are given.

ALL THAT MATH

HOW WILL THEY PACK IT?!?!

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>>58281859

i think you meant wtftech

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>vega will compete against volta not pascal
are you ready lads?

>>58281944

if only we could summon kek to make it so.

>>58282016
>summon kek
>>>/pol/
/r/the_donald

>>58277147
I've been playing the witcher 3 on ultra 4k at 30fps on my fury and just finished the witcher 2 also on ultra 4k but at a better 60fps.
Witcher 2 definitely didn't need aa on my 55in television (i know i know 30fps on a tv consle pleb whatever) from about 4 feet away and I had to get up right next to the sceen and look real hard to see even a shred of aliasing, and enabling it knocked off a good 10fps on average putting me below the 60fps mark.
But the overall higher object detail and vastly increased draw distance of witcher 3 makes aliasing more noticeable. Not anything like, say, gta v 1080p without any aa, but it is noticeable.
I turned it on since it only made like a 1-2fps difference and i was using vsync anyway so it didn't affect playability.
4k is plenty great without aa but having it on makes it just a bit better.

>>58277217
I can run 1080p 60fps with hairworks on my fury with tessellation limited to either 6 or 8x don't really remember. And thats not on just geralt, that's with it toggled to "on" with 2x msaa. Toggling it on and off doesn't make much of a difference, maybe ~5fps. It's a lot worse at higher levels of msaa but i feel 2x is fine.
Hairworks really isn't that big a deal when its not running at retarded levels of tessellation.

>>58277568

tell that to the brazilians, low income, high prices on electronics.

also here in Norway the amd cards are priced too high, if you check komplett.no's list of most sold graphics cards, the top 10 are all nvidia, even the 1080 outsells the 480 here because the sapphire 480 8GB Nitro+ costs 290$ (and thats because its on a january sale right now)

the 1060 is priced roughly the same now. but Nvidia probably outsells amd 3 to 1, so AMD always needs to be cheaper to compete, which it isnt atm.

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>>58281944
$350 1080
$350 6900K

Year of AMD?

>>58281751

already proven to be on par with a 1080 tho.

nvidia will release the 1080ti to always have the "better" card on the market, just so they dont lose the performance crown.

Amd might drop the price a bit, so we can get cheaper 1080/Vega cards. hoping for this.

>>58283177
You realize USA PC gaming market is smaller than china and eastern europe? 480 is cheaper there.

Western Europe it varies from country to country, so I'd say it's 50/50 there.

AYYYYMD IS FINISHED AND BANKRUPT FOR GOOD

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>>58283187
if it is going to be RX490
pricing would be under $400 which is instant buy to me even if it's 10% slower than 1080
But if it's some "fury" kind of branding, then it will go for $500-650.
AMD is rather consistent with their MSRP from gen to gen.

>elitz club
>log in to record videos
>paid gaming service

I must say farewell to Nvidia, even though I don't have anything against hardware, it's what you pay for for a reasonable time.

>>58272837
KEK

>>58283228
>AMD is rather consistent with their MSRP

No company is nowadays really , depends solely on where you buy. Amazon for an instance , literally skyrocketed the RX480 prices to fucking 300 $ when it first launched because

>muh demand

Only card I saw have its MSRP fozed at launch was the Titan ,Quadro and Tesla cards, and only because they were sold directly by nvidia.

>>58283413
Fucking keyboard , I meant fixed*.

>>58272456
The apus launching early this year are excavator cpus with the top end chips having barely over half of an rx 460. They will however use Am4 socket if future upgrading is desired. The zen based apus won't be out till second half of 2017. No word on what they'll be rocking gpu wise iirc. Presumably Vega based.

6GB 1060 Asus strix or 8GB RX480 Asus strix?

Both are same price here.

I just dont know.

>>58283429
Bristol Ridge is just a Carrizo refresh, and they launched a long time ago now.

>>58281579
>the two worst rx 480s listed are the most expensive
>1060 3gb priced the same as a 1060 6gb

Your prices are all fucked up.

>>58283429
I hate apus. Had nothing but trouble with my wifes sons buget gayman computer with an apu. Fuck amd apus in the ass.

>>58283558

RX480.

its performance will only increase (like it has the past two months)

the 1060 is stuck in its place.

>>58283608
>this upsets the nvidia shills.

>>58272029
>>58272004
EU has different countries.

>>58283654
But the same terrorists

>>58271371
>Born in 1997
Oh no wonder AMD excites you, you're still too young to have a real job and haven't had the pleasure of actually using nvidia because your parents wouldn't buy the expensive brand.
It's like coca-cola vs store brand, everyone knows it tastes different and the store brand families are poor

>>58283721
>being an adult and still acting like fucking braindead idiot fanboy
i feel sorry for you but you should honestly just kill yourself already.

>>58283749
My monitors cost more than your parents make in a month
how does that make you feel

>>58283764
post you rmonitors you stupid fuck so i can make fun of you and your poor purchase decisions.

>>58283764
>but it took me 6 months to buy one of them

LMAO

>>58283187
>already proven to be on par with 1080

Hardly. It was demo'd in a build with undisclosed parts running ONE game at 4k 60fps.
This hardly proves anything except that it runs 4k 60fps in that particular game.
And 4k is so demanding that the difference between a fury x and a 980ti shrinks to like 3fps in a lot of cases. Which is still >10% when we're talking ~25fps average
I'd be happy with amd making something between the 1070 and 1080 at 1070 prices as the 1080 is in no way worth the premium. it'd be nice to see a true xx80ti competitor but I'm not holding my breath and also not interested in spending that kind of money.

>>58283772
Let's see your computer so I can laugh about how my 1080 cost more than your entire box

>>58283774
Sounds like you're mad I have an actual job? I'm sure ITT Tech will pay off :)

>>58283798
The local school called and they need the best projector we got.

>>58283819
You have software I wrote on your computer, what's an accomplishment you've made?

>>58283840
I highly doubt it.

>>58283840
Sure kiddie

>>58283840
Gabe is that you? Fix your shitty steam OS.

>>58283840
this morning i made my own tendies

>>58281579
Too young to remember the Jimm's Nvidia rebate fiasco?

>>58283840
I wiped my own bott bott

>>58283796
If you buy a $600 graphics card for anything less than 4k you are retarded.

>>58278036
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R706isyDrqI

by Apple

>>58281601
>have true dx12 support
Hey GCN 1.0, What happened to your Async?

>>58283572
Huh, could have sworn they were supposed to have polaris based gpus. So its just a tweaked carrizo with ddr4. Thanks for pointing that out. Though they're only released to OEMs currently.

>>58283558
Why asus for AMD?

>>58283608
Gotta love the "free performance" feels

>>58284015

Bristol Ridge = Excavator modules with improved GPU

Raven Ridge = (Ry)zen based APU (with Vega GPU)

Summit Ridge = Ryzen CPU without GPU for enthusiasts

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>>58283840

>>58283979
fuck you nvidiot
amd knows best

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>>58271371
So it will be fury x all over again?

>>58283979
Hey 500 and 600 and 700 series, what happened to your Dx12 support?

Will they announce the price and release date?

>>58273715
>>58283979
temporarily disabled because they need to fix some problems specific to GCN1.0 async before reanabling it.

next time do some reserach before believing redditors.

>>58283952

what. some of us want 144fps on 1440p.

even the 1080 fails at that

>>58281579
Those prices WTF Funland

Importing from Germnay would save you at least 50€

>>58277059

it's east to kill desu

fuck forktails tho

>>58284629
>some of us want 144fps on 1440p.
>even the 1080 fails at that
see: retardation
144fps only makes a difference in competitive games. All of those run at 144fps "1440p" on a toaster.
For cinematic AAA games you really can't tell the difference between 80fps and 144fps.

High end GPUs are for 4k, not WQHD.

t. someone running WQHD 144Hz on a R9 390

>Vega and Zen will both disappoint

feels bad man

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>>58283796

yeah...

>>58284731

i get why you use the word retardation so much since you clearly have one.

just because your gay eyes dont notice any difference between 80 and 144 does not mean that we dont.

you do realise that 80 is almoast half of 144... or is math a skill you are retarded in as well?

and this is coming from someone who has a 390x and a korean qhd monitor.

my other pc has a 1080 with 144hz Qhd monitor.

the difference is staggering. even in starcraft2. I even notice a difference just working in windows, moving windows around is so much smoother :)

>>58283764
And their house costs more then your whole worth.

>>58284848
>you do realise that 80 is almoast half of 144... or is math a skill you are retarded in as well?
>80 is almost half ov 144
>80
>half of 144

>>58271558
>ETHEREUM

>>58284862

Yeah you fucking retard. 144hz is 1.8x 80hz. thats almost twice as much. I worded it incorrectly in the previous post. but at least it gave you a nice way of dodging the real issue.

>>58271371
Scopio coming.
It seems will be ZEN+Vega.

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>>58284435
Bloody well hope not. As a Fury X owner, I'm expecting big things from Vega.
I mean, I doubt I'll upgrade this cycle because the Fury X is on a custom loop now and gives me decent performance anyway, but even still, it'd be nice to see AMD push ahead again.

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>>58284731
>>58284848
Shut up, the both of you. Fury X on 2560x1440~144hz Freesync monitor here.
Seriously though, I'd appreciate getting above 100 more often if I could.

>>58285448

so what do all those buzzwords mean exactly ?

>>58285735
Vega is a failure

>>58285735
lots of x

>>58285735
> 8x capacity/stack
> 2x bandwidth per pin
HMB2 improvements courtesy of gooks

> Next Generation Computer Engine
> Next Generation Pixel Engine
> Vega NCU
"we upgraded some design parts and can't let you forget that"

> 2x Peak Throughput per Clock
> Rapid packed math
fp16 half-precision math will have 2x of fp16 float math.

> High Bandwidth Cache
> High Bandwidth Cache Controller
better L2 cache crossbar, speculated to be a bottleneck in GCN and in particular Fiji's surprisingly lackluster realizable bandwidth

> 512TB Virtual Address Space
bigger address space, maybe useful in HPC shared memory setups?

> Primitive Shaders
who knows what they changed? geometry/tessellation shaders are already a thing

> Draw Stream Binning Rasterizer
Rasterizers, which convert triangles into new pixel shader thread warps/wavefronts/whatevers, might be smarter and try to group outputs by relatedness for higher cache locality, similar in aim to what Pascal's macro-tiling rasterization does.

> 4x Power Efficiency
lol, Vega Nano will get 4x better perf/Watt than some overclocked 390X in a cherrypicked benchmark using fp16 or something.

>>58271371
MI8 has the same specs as the R9 Nano

>>58286036
that's what it is

>>58285963
>fp16 half-precision math will have 2x of fp16 float math.
is it a good thing?

> Draw Stream Binning Rasterizer
this is a good thing, current method is slower than nvidia

>>58286036
it is fiji chip on 14nm as far as a I know
is it downscaled or not though?

>>58286105
Fiji was never ported to 14nm. Its just a lower clocked die, exactly as the Fury Nano is.

>>58286094
fp16 at double rate of fp32 is what it means. This brings some improvement for graphics, but the big thing is deep learning. AMD wants a piece of that deep learning market.

>>58286105
Same TDP so probably old node. They have enough trouble sourcing 14nm parts as it is. Shrinking Fiji makes no sense.

>>58285963
>fp16 half-precision math will have 2x of fp16 float math.
2x of fp32, doh

>>58286094
>is it a good thing?
for post-processing and "Deep Learning" I guess

>>58286094
>this is a good thing, current method is slower than nvidia
tiling is good in principle maybe, but nobody has shown quantitatively how much it actually helps.
improving cache subsystem probably matters a lot more.

anyone remember what was time frame from Polaris similar reveal to release? was it like two months?
Basically they went full offensive and want Vega+Ryzen launch?

so what are they announcing? specs? just gameplay footage? prices? launch date? what?

>>58286233
it was several months between the Spring announcement and the June launch.

the first (ry)Zen chips are expected this month or maybe February, but I don't think anyone honestly expects Vega until Q2.

The CES dog and pony shows are just for Nvidia to announce an even more cut down GP102 variant (i.e., a chip 50% bigger than the GTX 1080 but only 30-35% faster as the TXP already) and for AMD to shit on their parade by hyping a maybe comparable and hopefully cheaper card coming "soon".

>>58286314
Zen is definitely mid/end February, AM4 boards are in full production.

I thought polaris event was in the end of may, and got released in mid june.
Closed part for vega already happened early last december. They pretty much paper launched it there for enterprise.

>>58286314
They already demoed working samples of Vega in early December. The samples were supposedly fresh from the factory with just slightly patched Fiji drivers to get them running.

If they are in production since early December they might make a Q1 release. Maybe.

>>58286347
>I thought polaris event was in the end of may, and got released in mid june.
i think you're right on that. the full event was May, with a few teasers and leaks earlier.
the question is how much a full launch event the CES thing ends up being.

>Closed part for vega already happened early last december. They pretty much paper launched it there for enterprise.
it's a bit scary how much every HBM2 product launch so far has been paper.
estimates for GP100s in the wild range in the mid hundreds several months after "launch".

>>58277363
animooooooooooooooooooooooo

>>58277801
but will it be finished tho

>>58286427
GP100 is a gigantic chip.
Vega should be around 400mm^2. Definetly smaller than GP102.

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>>58286546
>Vega should be around 400mm^2. Definetly smaller than GP102.
that depends heavily on how much AMD want it to be a player in the HPC space.
The GP100 isn't 600 mm^2 because it has 6000+ ALUs, it's because it has a ton of NVLink interconnects, massive register files in the SIMT units, and 4:2:1 fp16:fp32:fp64.

2x HMB2 controllers should be smaller than 384b GDDR5+, but even a simple 2x Polaris 10 chip with no extra features on silicon would be around 450 mm^2, so my wild-ass guess is in the 500-530 mm^2 range, assuming no 2:1 fp32:fp64, a modest amount of interconnect IO, and skimping somewhat on ROPs again.

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>>58286677
The die used in the RX 480 was designed to sacrifice density for lower defect rates. It was made with everything in mind for it to be very economical to produce and sell with healthy profit in a $200~ GPU.
Future designs may not forego density as it did. If one were to take the Fiji ASIC and scale it down to 14nm with maximum possible density then the 64CU die would come out right around 180mm2. Ultimate die size comes down to projected defect rates, thermal limitations from localized hot spots, and back end metal layers. Tuneable things that are entirely up to AMD to control, so guesswork based on faulty premises is entirely pointless.
Also one 1024bit HBM PHY is very close in size to a single 64bit GDDR5 PHY.
Also a PHY is not a memory controller.

>>58286829
I don't think we'll ever see reasonably complex 14nm chips with >3:1 density scaling over 28nm, and I'm also skeptical that Polaris 10 would throw more than 10-15% density on reliability, though I'd be happy to be shown proof otherwise.

All that said, I'll come back and prostrate myself here after launch if the 4k shader Vega variant is under 400 mm^2 or even anywhere close to it.
GCN has aged long enough that I speculate that AMD has substantial new logic they've been waiting on the 14/16nm shrink to add.

> and yes I understand the distinction between a RAM controller and a PHY, but realistically they're parts of the same macro-structures, and the PHY has been and will continue to dominate area over buffers/scheduling logic due to poorer scaling.

>>58286829
Did full tonga have a 256bit bus or 384? Was it only the M395 part which had that or was it hearsay. Eitherway, the image of the tonga die there 6 parts which look like a phy, the top and bottom pairs look more the part than the two on the left side and they seem to be a little bit smaller as well.

>>58287761
tonga was a 384b card shipped only in 256b setups, since they found that the perf gains didn't outweigh higher power draw.

dunno if they lost a third of L2/ROP capacity with it though, since those pieces are typically all tied together pretty heavily.

>>58271371
AMD better not fuck this up, it has to be as fast or faster than a Titan XP

>>58287934
> AMD
> not cheaping out on ROPs and geometry throughput
pick one

>>58286664
>Raja will shit on the floor
ftfy

>>58288003
this

>>58281751
Diehard AMD fag here and I have a 1070 because this wait is so asinine

>>58283840
better get a virus scanner so I can make sure I don't.

>>58285503
we know where nvidia's 980ti is performance wise, we don't know where amds is or the price.

we know potential flops, but at the same time we don't have a real world counterpart to compare it to.

I REALLY hope, and this would just be for fun, that amds lower cost card is more powerful than a titan, and amd throughout their entire conference just shows their 400$ card, their 600$ card and a titan x they call a 1080ti and just put the fps and the price right next to each other.

I really want a company just to openly flip someone off again publicly, Its so fun to watch the few times it happens.

>AMD GPUs
>Space heaters with awful drivers that are perpetually 2 years behind Nvidia

Nty

Ryzen where?

>>58285963
>who knows what they changed? geometry/tessellation shaders are already a thing
Probably a shader intrinsics rehash
http://gpuopen.com/gcn-shader-extensions-for-direct3d-and-vulkan/

>>58272004
Europe...as if Islamic terrorists need graphics cards. I'm pretty sure most games are haram so the European caliphate doesn't count anymore.

>>58288856
so mandatory Facebook integration late 2018 then?

>>58277950
amd marketing team cant even their products released on time.

marketing =/=advertisement anon

>>58290903
just keep an eye for wood screws in the nvidia event.

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>>58290903
>>58292087
Nvidia trying to be on time so they used wood screws. Then they showed a card and it was fake, they literally took an older card and cut it with a saw and said its their new card. Nvidia, it's like shop class in high school.

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>>58292087
>>58292780

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>>58271371
>nvidia doesn't even pack their math
TOP KEK

>>58271371
> high bandwidth cache/controller
> fixing longstanding GCN deficiency a feature
> lmao

but seriously, Vega might actually not be a disappointment if AMD learned its lessons with Fiji and finally gave GCN a real overhaul.

fp16 might be great for our Orwellian overlords wanting better ubiquitous image recognition, but I'm not convinced that enough vidya shader pieces can use half precision to make much of a difference.

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>>58271371
This shit better be like 50% faster than a titan XP with AMD throwing out shit like this

>>58296323
isn't Volts going to basically be GP100 rolled out to the rest of a product generation?
The GP102-GP106 chips are clearly little more than Maxwell shrinks, whereas GP100 has the HMB2, 2x fp16, better shader scheduling, etc.

>>58296516
Last rumors I remember put volta squarely as a server thing

>>58296279
>fp16 might be great for our Orwellian overlords wanting better ubiquitous image recognition
vidya might not use it any time soon (aside from consoles that need all the help they can get to not run like shit) but having it available on a 'consumer' card would be a great thing for students and hobbyists experimenting with machine learning stuff

I need a good FP64 GPU and AMD GPUs are best then Nvidia GPUs on FP64.