Is there a more JUST company than Sony ? What the fuck happened,

>>58231936
>Jap company unable to adapt
Why is this surprising? Everyone know that japs lack ingenuity and inventiveness. They are only good at perfecting things they already know how to do.

>>58231974
Its not just the japs, look what their american subsidiaries are doing

>angry because Japanese companies do not cater to idiotic western needs.

They've obviously become less popular but are still one of the best brands to get imo. Same for other "fallen" Japanese brands like Panasonic.

I actually like their phones, my Z3C is top tier

>>58232029
That's not the case with Sony though. They used to have market penetration and a good brand, but they've squandered that with shit offerings.

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their hardware was too fucking expensive. as soon as all poz fags die of aids, the same thing will happen to apple.

>>58232067
http://www.computerworld.com/article/3131906/apple-mac/ibm-says-macs-are-even-cheaper-to-run-than-it-thought.html

>>58232059
OP here, i actually fucking love their phones, but they went full retard with their business plan and advertisement for them, so its just leaking money.

>releasing 2 flagman phones per year
>literally 0 market share in USA

Honestly, they arent doing THAT bad here in Europe, but ive had american friends who didnt even know Sony makes smartphones

>>58232088
>le biased article meme

>>58231936
>What the fuck happened
They keep fucking up left and right
>PS Vita
>amazing handheld
>great specs
>proprietary memory card that's 1/3 the price of the unit itself

>Xperia phones
>low end Xperias which were actually pretty great for the price switched from qualcomm processors to mediatek which are (possibly) backdoored garbage with crap performance

>Walkman-branded devices
>overpriced trash, awful performance, subpar sound quality

I can't name a sony device I'd actually buy these days
Not even the playstation

>>58232196
Their cameras are still top tier, i guess

>>58232176
Keep hiding from the facts anon

>>58232163
Yeah fair enough on that front, their mobile division is quite a flop

>>58232196
well, to be fair everyone is pulling the same shit now.

I agree man, feels like Sony kinda just fell off. Still their bravia TVs are pretty nice, and ive always been a sony guy when it came to consoles. Now i just play on my pc and sony has no part in my life :/

You may not get the best value with Sony tvs, but the higher end models are legit. I prefer their menus and massive amount of settings. Even the shitty ones have settIngs for everything you can think of.

playstation > xbox

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There's a good sony exhibit going on in their ginza hq at the moment.

>>58232232
their mid to high and pro cameras are godly.

the cheap cybershots are fucking dreadful. 15 seconds to turn on, noise even in bright daylight, worse pics than a 15 year old nikon coolpix (the kind that rotates), they are sad. they should just co-brand with someone to write the software for the cheap cameras to make them good.

>>58232255
I havent seen a sony phone in the states outside of a couple of guys that buy unlocked, since hte old sony-ericsson phones.

>>58232354
>tfw all the lamers listening to def leppard on their knockoff walkmans
>tfw you pull out your brand new Sony Discman
>no need to flip casette
>effortlessly skip tracks
>tfw you become God

Kids these days will never know this feel

Sony is shit now but so is every other brand

Sony is just an unpopular Apple

>>58232059
they went downhill after z3c. Plastic, non-waterproof, worse battery life, everything is bad nao

>>58231936
poor marketing, lack of innovation, sony were known mainly for their tvs in the consumer market, and after crts died, sony died together with their trinitron.

current sony tvs are ok, but they are overpriced and lose out badly to samsung and oled technology.

>>58231936
Marketing happened. You see any ads for any Sony product other than the PS4? No, of course not.

People won't buy a product that they don't know about.

>>58231936
I'm not a sony expert but PlayStation but some time ago I read that PlayStation was the only devision making money so they kicked the CEO and the PlayStation CEO became the Sony CEO.

I would be surprised if they still sold the PS4 with loss. They did do that with the PS3 though.

>>58231936
They got into the media business which resulted in them putting DRM into all their products.

>>58232015
but Americans have the ingenuity of marketing worthless pseudo features to normals

>>58231936

Their cameras are nice as fuck

A6000 owner here

>>58232630
>A6000
I been mirrin those for a while now. What glass do you use? hopefully I can get a top of the line Sony camera once i figure a way out of being a poorfag.

>>58232630
I had sony camcorder years ago and picture quality was just so much better than my friends panasonic.

Also people used pay premium because sony was made in japan. Nowadays probably only sony high end cameras are still made in japan (and those sell well) but everything is chinese made and frankly people dont care anymore

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>camera division not making money
>mirrorless adoption stagnating
>they just got a pro lens line-up out but their system is still full retard for hobbyists

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>>58232354

>>58232623
Is that why all their movies flop?

>>58232673

I just got it two weeks ago, so it's just the kit lens. I'm probably going to have to do some more shooting to be able to say what lens I would want or need. For now it's just mostly something to try out as a new hobby.

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>>58232714

>>58232717
>movies
sure if that's what you want to call them
I can't remember the last time there was a semi-intelligent movie released that at least shows it was trying

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>>58232731

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>>58232751

>>58232714
shit that doesn't work

>>58232714
those shits were A E S T E T H I C AS FUCK.

>>58232726
Cool I hope you enjoy it, I love my Nikon that i got for a fucking song off a facebook sales group. you start looking at shit differently when you start photography. /p/ is alright, but holy god are they harsh as fuck sometimes in critiquing pics. the ones they do rag on, are bad though.

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>>58232792
Why?

>>58232630
For all the shit going on elsewhere in their consumer electronics, they always managed to do right with their cameras.

>>58232088

Here is some real facts.
http://www.technobuffalo.com/2016/12/29/consumer-reports-2016-macbook-pro-testing/

Consumer Reports is a based reputable source that actually tests these products.

>>58231936
>Afaik, they have some banks and shit it in japland, right?
they're essentially their own keiretsu, so yes

>>58232854
They make most of their money in the insurance business. Samsung too.

At least Japanese companies manage to maintain some dignity in respect to upholding the quality standards associated with their brands

Every other brand (even enterprise) like Gookovo has decreased production quality and decided to pursue Apple style fashion to fit the new consumerist 2 year lifecycle

>>58231936
Sony's biggest mistake was trying to compete at the low end. They used to have one or two subsidiaries that sold their lower end kit. But in the early 00s did away with them.

Sony would be a much more respected name if they stuck at the upper range and made in japan quality. Same with Vaio. The computers that tarnished the Vaio name were the low end shitboxes they sold.

Samsung have the capability (literal slave labour, massive government backing) to literally shotgun the market and hope something sticks. Sony should never had tried to go toe to toe with one of the biggest and most corrupt companies in the world.

Don't get me started on Samsung's """"marketing""""

>>58232969
Not really. It's all the same Foxconn produced garbage unless it's made in Korea.

>>58232619
This.

Jews killed Sony.

The nips wanted to join the cool (((kids))) who do movies and music but little did they knew that with jews, you lose.

So, (((Sony))) America started to pressure Sony Japan to put DRM on everything.

All my friends started to avoid Sony's tv/dvd players because they were expensive and couldn't read "divx" movie.

Same with walkman, couldn't read fucking mp3.

Samsung and chink shit tv had a build in divx player, you could just plug your usb stick and watch your pirated movie. They were way cheaper than (((Sony)))'s one.

>>58232997
But nowadays you can get a sony TV with Android built in and run Kodi on it. Those are at the high end though.

>>58232997
>they were expensive and couldn't read "divx" movie.

"I'm from a third world nation and sony didn't make VCD players to support my piracy. better blame the jews1!!!"

>>58232997
Kys

>>58232997
the rootkits and the whole Liik Saang debacle killed sony for me.

>>58232969
Only more Japanese domestic brands like Sharp, Panasonic and NEC.
Sony is long gone in the quality department, except for their Audio products, those are still top notch.

>>58233085
>Only more Japanese domestic brands like Sharp, Panasonic and NEC
Yeah, that's what I meant. It's most likely because the Japanese market hasn't picked up the consumerist standard of electronic use so they expect quality that lasts

>>58233102
Nips are literally the most consumerist whores anywhere on the planet. Housing is so fucking expensive nobody even tries to buy, so they just spend everything on electronics and live with their kids when they get old.

>>58232969
sorry friend, but you'll find that most japanese products are made in china these days
at most some crucial components will be made in japan, togheter with some final assembly step. just enough to fool domestic buyers into thinking it's pure japanese quality folded a million times

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>>58233045
I'm from western europe. Sony was huge here and this "divx" shit turned all my friend out.

>I don't know what "flat screen" I should buy, do you have an idea ?
>You should try the sony xbr line or the nx one, with monolith design.
>Sony ? Na, they are so expensive and they are outdated, you can't even read divx.
>...

>>58231974
They have theif own share of inventions, stop spreading myths

>>58233085
>>58233102
I live in Japan, you don't know what you're talking about.

Western fantasy about brands that aren't popular in overseas. No, Aquos phones and Lifebooks aren't amazing devices.

>>58233085
>Sharp
Heh.
Foxconn already completed its takeover. New Chinese CEO trying to stop Sharp from bleeding out.

>>58233143
panasonic still makes quality laptops that can't compete with any western plastic garbage

Panasonic still makes arguably the best display panels

It doesn't matter if it's manufactured in gookland if it's under Japanese QC standards

>>58233143
I live in Japan as well and I regularly travel to the US for work, shit in the west is a whole next level of garbage.

>>58231936
Sony is also in insurance and banking, and as far as I know, they're doing extremely well in that part in japland.

It's the electronics division that's not doing very well.

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>>58231936
>Is there a more JUST company than Sony ?
Apple.

They're pretty much at where Sony was with the PS3.

>>58233175
This, my Surface 3 has a Panasonic LCD panel, uses less power than a 7" IGZO display and the colors are fucking amazing. LG and Samshit has absolutely nothing on it.

http://www.displaymate.com/Surface3_ShootOut_1.htm

>>58233121
the housing isnt expensive really, its escrow and taxes, and landlords acting like total drippy dicks about getting a fucking years rent up front just to move in.

as long as you aren't in a new building, or the big cities, you can get houses for fucking nothing. there are places in the boonies that rent for $400 a year, just so someone is there to make sure the place didnt burn down to the ground.

you can buy old ass houses in tokyo for nothing, you just cant rebuild them if there is an earthquake. you have to turn the land into a park or parking lot or something. no one seems to know how to fix places up without hiring a labor team.


>>58233205
Panasonic plasma displays R.I.P. homie.

>>58232454
>Not enjoying an 8 track in your shiny new Cadillac

>>58233185
did you even read op's post u mong

>>58233201
>one of the top 3 biggest companies in the world is considered "JUSTed" here

Bravo, /g/, you are reaching /v/ level of contrarianism and i fucking hate apple products

>>58232702
Why full retard? The idea is nice, so is the camera. Id buy it if it wasnt so expensive

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>>58233295
MY BABY ROLLED UP IN A BRAND NEW CADILLAAAC

>>58233205
Are there any low sized lcd screens by panasonic? Something Full HD while still under 14''

>>58232196
>mediatek which are (possibly) backdoored garbage with crap performance

explain

>>58233205
Panasonic Make top tier everything,

Their Drills are extreme top tier, their batteries, well, eneloop.

Their laptops are god damn fantastic, Panasonic are top tier>>58233175
we dont need your consumer arses.

>>58233391
Because of a lack of amateur level lenses. For example the Sony 85mm f/1.8 is Zeiss-branded and twice as expensive as the canikon counterparts. It is also optically superior, but really not worth double price tag (the people for whom that is worth it will be getting the 1.4 anyway)

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Sony at its finest

>>58232702
Apparently you don't know what you're talking about. They are making bank with their mirroless cameras.

>>58231936
IT'S A SONY

>>58232630
A6000 owner here. This camera is GOAT. I am saving up for a a7ii.

>>58232673
The a6000 is the cheapest mid teir sony camera. You can find one for $300 - $500 if you know where to look.

>>58233638
Fuck, i had this dank ass NEC crt as a kid, that i kept in our garage for the last 10 or so years, but when i returned home ladt year i found that my mom gave it to some gypsy for free to "clean up space"
Im still fucking mad

Sony products are still quality. My tv is from 2009 and still working great. My next tv is going to be Sony too.

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The best camera in the world.

>>58231936
>At this point, i think Playstation is their only successful product, but i remember reading that it costs them more to produce it than what they sell
That was for the PS3 during it's first years, PS4s apparently cost a little less to make than they cost.
They also make a lot more money from Playstation now thanks stuff like PS+

>>58233732
The a7ii, a7s and the crop sensor cameras are also GOAT.

>>58233638

>16:10
>2304 x 1440

I would give 500 $ immediately for a working unit

>>58233175

My friend has a 10 year old viera plasma and I am always amazed how good the picture is when I go to his place.

>>58233831
>I am always amazed how good the picture is
That's more a plasma ting than a Panasonic thing

>10 year old
That probably is though. Certainly wouldn't have lived still if it was a Samshit

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>tfw when no RZ5

good quality 16:10 IPS panel
Panasonic build quality
removable Panasonic batteries

Too bad about:
Price
Western compatibility and availability
The sub par keyboard
Core-m

>>58231936
>the studio that doesnt have a single profitable movie this year

You should really do research before you go preaching. Angry Birds made their money back domestically. World wide they quadrupled their money. Its the only reason we're being blessed with the Emoji Movie.

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>>58231936
>samsung
>shitting on sony tv

yea nah son

i fell for the samsung tv meme but returned it for the sony meme after i realised the samsung had shit tier response times and a stupid auto dimming feature i couldnt turn off.

sony has better image quality too and its game mode doesnt even seem to reduce image quality in any way while still having damn good input lag for a tv.

>>58233215
>you can buy old ass houses in tokyo for nothing, you just cant rebuild them if there is an earthquake. you have to turn the land into a park or parking lot or something.

Wait, do you mean by law?

>>58232059
>>58232572
I have a 5c and it is by a wide margin the best phone I've ever owned. If it stil runs well in 5 years I'll still use it. Aside from having a non-removable battery it is the perfect phone.

>>58232702
At least it cheaper than Leica or Hasselblad.

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>>58232354
>tfw when you had a portable sony tape playeR

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>>58232702

Sony has been gaining massive amounts of market share though. Soon they will pas Nikon. As it stands, there is less of a gap between Sony and Nikon than Nikon and Canon.

As for e-mount, there are a lot of solid lenses for every price point EXCEPT for budget. It is the best mirrorless lineup except for m43.

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>>58235471
>2,467 years
Whoa dude, we all may be dead from nuclear holocaust.

>>58233529

He is spouting shit, they still use qualcom.

>>58231936

don't forget that they have been hacked every 3 months or so aswell kek

and their retarded phone naming scheme (X, XA, XZ, X performance, X compact), which is the fucking flagship phone here??????

>>58231936
Have you ever worked for any company with similar positioning in their market?

When a company makes a good product and is lucky enough to sell it things go great for a while, they go well for a very long time, then someone starts getting greedy, usually shareholders start pushing management they either capitulate or resign. Someone else comes in who doesn't give a shit other than their paycheck and not shortly after you have a hole company filled with those types.

By that point you're still selling shit because that's the effect of brands, costumers will continue to purchase the product until they figure out there are alternatives or better products and the company has been doing nothing less than resting on its laurels and successes of the past.

The stage before the end is when the management of the company goes around introducing new shit as if they were still number one, when everyone in the company incluidng their competitors with exception of management knows they're done for.

You can see this shit everywhere, food and bev companies in the US have a lot of this shit going on, look at hostess today as a good example of this, they're on the stage before they die. Look at polaroid and kodak on the tech field. Look at Apple and Microsoft, they're going the way of Sony, they just don't know it yet, and they're at the point where they can actually dial it back with the right people.

The thing shareholders don't always accept is that people make a difference and people aren't replaceable without losing something in the process, the Apple that launched the iphone 3gs and iphone 4s is not the same company today. The Microsoft that launched Windows XP is not the same that launched Windows 10.

>>58232842
as much as I like consumer reports... reputable isn't the word I would use for them. they basically sell awards.

They got beaten in the music market by Apple.

They got beaten in the phone market by Apple

They got beaten in the "fashion computer" market by Apple

People started realizing their TVs and sound equipment, while not bad quality, were overpriced memes. They also got beaten in meme audio by companies like monster and bose.

Their gaming division is actually great.

They went a propietary heavy strategy, but unlike apple, didn't manage to keep up the ecosystem to actually justify it.

Basically they're a company start started making second-tier products while charging top-tier prices.

>>58233771
Unfortunately for you that's the going price on them.

>>58236170
Sony sound equipment has been garbage for a long time, it breaks.

It's like this all over now. brands used to mean something. Now not so much. Just like cars. BMW. Brand used to mean "Hey I've got money,I'm set for life" Maybe not in a Porsche tier money bracket but better than say middle class folk. Now BMW is kinda a joke, can buy decent used one at quite respectable prices. MS folk who created Windows XP/2000/9x should be ashamed of those who created the absolute cluster fuck that was Vista/8/8.1 and Ten. Whoever worked on 7 should be praised for least trying to turn things back the right way. Bill was in charge back in the glory days of XP/2000. So bring back Bill.

>>58231936
I like the PlayStation brand.

Still have a working block PS1 and PS2 FAT

>>58231936
Sony is not one singular company, you fucking dunce. Sony Computer Entertainment =/= Sony Music =/= Sony Pictures =/= Sony Real Estate, etc. They're all independent companies that operate under the Sony brand.

Like the breadth of Sonys failure is pretty wide and happened for a lot of reasons and trying to simplify it into one overarching point is wrong. They're a multi-headed hydras and almost all of the heads of the hydra got lopped off for various reasons. If there was one single thing that fucked them, it was probably Apple.

They experienced a PR fallout similar to what Lenovo is experencing now over installing fucking ROOTKITS on peoples computers for DRM purposes.

Their PR was smashed again in their leading role promoting DRM. They generated nothing but ill will from the general public.

I think ultimately like if you have to choose between an overpriced sony product, a somewhat passe company that installs rootkits on their customers computers, and something like apple, with legendary customer service that makes the news for refusing to cooperate with the feds, I mean...

Sony just lost that that perception they were a "premium" company generally.

>>58236296
Vista was cluster but I think ultimately it really set the groundwork for 7 to be so successful. It also got rid of microsofts and developers fucking awful security practices that resulted in users having admin privledges at all times. A lot of the early compatability bugs with Vista was because of microsoft punishing bad security practices by developers by making their programs unusably annoying. Once developers got their act together a bit, that reduced warnings, as well as microsoft tuning down UAC. It was a bad OS that laid the groundwork for a better OS.

Windows 8 was an abomination and an overall bad idea. Having two seperate taskbars had to be one of the most retarded UI decisions I have ever seen, to use a metro app from desktop mode you had to enter the metro screen, and then you had to select your program from a fucking hidden taskbar. You had to memorize the most new shortcuts of any windows version in recent memory. They rearranged where things were in the OS, most infamously they changed where the power off button was located, and they had no actual reason for doing this.

It was microsofts attempt to try and leverage their PC marketshare to get into the phone market that ended up just pissing off their users and still resulting in microsoft having no marketshare in the phone market. Windows 8 was a bigger failure, in my mind, than vista, but not as bad as ME. Support for Hyper-V, powershell, and right-clicking the start menu were alright at least.

>>58233348
Apple is on the edge of a cliff. Digg was huge until it wasn't too.

>>58234919
yeah. at least with traditional Kyo-machiya style houses.

its fascinating to read about all the shit someone has to go through to buy a house in a foreign country.

some links to pretty old houses.
http://www.hachise.com/
https://www.realestate.co.jp/en/forsale/listing?prefecture=kyoto
http://www.globalpropertyguide.com/Asia/Japan/Buying-Guide

>>58231936
They were too arrogant and people had enough of that shit once they released a huge stream of broken products.

Laptops with exploding batteries, TVs which are the same quality as the competition (unlike Trinitrons which were leagues ahead), rootkits on CDs and telling people they shouldn't care about it, everything about the PS3 (suing people for posting the crypto key, 599 US dollars, removing backwards compatibility, PSN leaking bank numbers), and also the PS1 and PS2 were designed to die from use so you have to buy another.

That's just from the top of my head.

Why buy anything from an arrogant piece of shit company that does not make any product that is better than the competition?

>>58236116
Microsoft is a very bad example of this meme, they're one of the more innovating and risk taking companies in tech when you really pay attention to them. They're doing much better than when ballmer was running the company into the ground I think. Their stock price certainly reflects increase confidence in them from the market.

If there's a company that meets this description, more than microsoft, more than apple, it's facebook. What a fucking dinosaur company that has nothing going for it other than a social media platform kids don't use, attempts to start an internet monopoly that keep getting them kicked out of countries, and a second rate VR platform?

Apple isn't what I would say going in the wrong direction innovation wise, they just sort of lack vision. They released a fucking nintendo DS and charged $1500 cut every proper USB port while making their laptop less appealing for pro users. Yeah I know their philosophy, force users to change, but it makes it harder for their computers to interact with peoples existing equipment without going full dongle. You think the first macbook air would have taught them a lesson about going too far in their quest to eliminate ports, but nope.

>>58236503
Digg was in a long state of decline before Diggv4 if you look at the metrics. Diggv4 was more of a nail in the coffin. I also think people misattribute why digg got abandoned so quickly, it's becasue they tried to transistion the site to profitability by flooding the site with literally MOSTLY blogspam from less than 20 websites. It's amazing they DIDN'T think that would kill the site.

>>58236116
>The Microsoft that launched Windows XP is not the same that launched Windows 10.

Windows XP was a million worse than Windows 10 though.

>>58236402
yeah they had the fucking rootkits that no one knows who signed off on them, because its all blind eyes and deaf ears there.

then they sued the only people that had the tools and parts to fix disk read errors on ps2's and GC's, at a price point that you could make a living off of it.

BASED LIK SANG. I paid my mom's bills off, bought myself a car, and moved out, from how much money i made fixing PS2's and GC's lasers using their parts and tools.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lik_Sang

::.: It's a Sony.

>>58236599
>>58236474
The only good thing about Win10 is that they finally got a unified codebase for everything. Windows Phone and Xbox isn't running their own forks and their own departments anymore, they use Win10, minus some modules.

This ends a two decade long clusterfuck for them.

And anyway, the biggest problem with Win10 is that they think they can get away with the same thing that Google does.

>>58236614
How quickly we forget.. Windows XP was when first released if the computer was attached to the internet, which most were not at that time so it worked ok.

But the major point of why Windows XP had a better chance of success vs Windows 10 is TINA (there is no alternative), today there are alternatives.

>>58236653
>Windows XP was when first released if the computer was attached to the internet, which most were not at that time so it worked ok.

I browsed the net from win98 for years; though back then I only left the computer running for a few hours max.

Win XP was a travesty. Its security had more holes than swiss cheese. I still have my 2003-6 backups, I had to reinstall the OS every 2-3 months on average because it just fucked itself up way too easily. You could make computers running XP reboot from a commandline and an IP.

XP was a complete joke, and was just barely stable after SP2.

>>58236553
PS3 was massive success for sony that played a key role in winning the Blu-ray format wars. It didn't hit quite the success as the PS2 as a pure gaming device but I don't think anybody expected them to repeat a product as disgustingly successful as the PS2, and the PS3 was a massive success in its own right.

I that generation Nintendo, Sony, and MS were all happy. Nintendo made a bazillion dollars, Sony won a format war, Microsoft won marketshare and the 360 played a role in popularizing PC gaming down the line via easier console ports. Sometimes everybody wins.

>>58236614
People not old enough to remember windows XPs release don't realize it was a terrible product before at least SP2. Its security was an absolute joke until SP2 with it not including a fucking firewall, it was STILL a joke after SP2 because everybody logged in as admins at all times, it had plenty of release day bugs, and in every way was a more disappointing product than Windows 2000.

>>58236648
Most of the horrible parts of Win10 were also in Win8, which is when I really see microsoft starting to ask themselves "If everybody is willing to give up their privacy using phone OSes, why don't we make them give up their privacy when using their home OS?"

Win10 is not a bad release. Windows Server is pretty innovative even if it's pretty expensive, nano server is cool as shit, so is docker. Microsoft is increasingly making their server products better to the extent it's starting to highlight major flaws in Linux, somehow STILL managing to justify the price of their products to businesses. Hyper-V is a legitimate threat to VMware in the long run. Their moves to cloud integration have been pulled off very well and their office division is managing to stave off stiff competition from google. Powershell is good. I love having a linux shell on every stock windows machine.

Microsoft is actually going in good directions in some ways even if they're made windows into an utter botnet.

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Their new movie passengers was great

their studio monitors are goat
other than that... trash

>>58236728
Though SP3 XP was fantastic.

>>58236729
>PS3 was massive success for sony that played a key role in winning the Blu-ray format wars.

The only reason they won that was because the HDDVD encryption was broken first. When that happened, every publisher moved to Bluray. Then once Toshiba (I think) announced that they stop HDDVD production, the people who cracked HDDVD immediately released the crack for Bluray encryption too - it was withheld on purpose for that reason.

>>58236745
It really was not a good OS, it's security was just so fucking bad I can't take it seriously. I think people talking about XP being great just liked it because it was microsofts longest lived OS which meant it had very few issues in regards to things like compatability and people got very familiar with.

Objectively it was bad, and linuxfags were objectively using a superior OS when XP was out. Vista was the first Microsoft OS with security that wasn't an absolute meme, but it also caused more headaches and user annoyance than any other windows OS I could name.

I bought the Xperia XA, gorgeous and cheap but meh specs, at least it has FM radio and SD slot plus "curved" screen, I'm gonna wait until march to decide between their next flagship or the HTC 11, my XA and G4 Play will suffice until then.

For 220 bundled with sony earbuds and a girly strawberry case it was a steal though, not that I'd use it in public but it was "free".

>>58236745
It was more of an update rollup than a proper service pack, though.

And by that time you also had Vista SP1, which was infinitely better.

>>58236786
>Vista SP1, which was infinitely better.

Though its reputation so damaged by Vista RC that Microsoft simply cut losses and moved on to Windows 7 speedily

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>>58231936
I dunno I bought a Sony 3d 4k UHD Smart TV last year and so far it's been incredibly good.

It basically runs Android and a lot of android apps. I've even learned to load emulators and plugged a controller into one of the 2 USB ports.

It has 4 HDMI inputs and I can also run KODI

Seriously haven't had a single regret. It has awesome picture quality, the colors are good, and it's all around just a great TV

Not sure if I would have liked a Samsung better but that Tizen shit wouldn't have cut the mustard. The only one that would come close is LG with its WebOs from the Palm phones.

Like, Windows XP was the OS that decided "WE NEED TO SPLIT WINDOWS INTO SEVERAL DIFFERANT VERSIONS AND INTRODUCE ACTIVATION"

People mocked it relentlessly for it's fisher price UI. Green and Blue.

It was worse than 2000 AND 98SE if you played DOS games for like a fucking year.

Between about SP1-SP2 it actually became the best OS, by SP3 you should have been using Vista SP1. But you were probably misled by memes saying it was bad and instead used XP logged in as admin with nosecurity and got buttfucked by malware.

>>58236905
>you should have been using Vista
>recommending Vista

Wintards are such wonderful creatures

>>58236972
If you were playing games, Vista SP1 at the time was the best OS.

Before Vista was released and XP was around, that was probably the time Linux OSes had the biggest advantage over windows if it weren't for the lousy software ecosystem.

>>58232043
Panasonic stuff used to be sooooo fucking good, everything I bought from them was god-tier. I saw an 80's/90's Panasonic bicycle the other day was jelly AF.

>>58236972
But he's not wrong. Vista SP1 was sublime. The only problem is that Vista core had suffered such an ugly debut that they literally just decided to dress up Vista SP1 and re release it as Win 7.

>>58232477
Dubs speak truth.

Im pretty sure sony's major downfall was that they couldnt push formats like they used to in the 80's and 90's.

Hits:
80's: Cassettes, walkman, CD, CRT's
90's: Handycam...

Misses:
90's: DAT, Minidisk vs MP3's, Microcassette, Picrocassette
00's: CD DRM, Memory Stick Pro, Minidisk

Sony's problem is that they stick with a dying format for a long time and cant pivot onto more mainstream formats, or they insist on using something no one wants to invest in, like psvita memory cards or ATRAC encoding.

I can't even remember anymore when it was that I just sort of completely wrote them off. They're never good for anything.

>>58232765
Minidiscs were so sick for the 5 minutes between CD's and MP3's.

>>58231936
They are fine.

Sony is a financial services company that's where most of their money come from. They have insurance companies and other stuff.

The Playstation divison makes a lot of money.

The movie division also makes some (lol ghostbusters).

The electronics part is doing poorly: TVs, Sound, etc.

The phone division is dead.

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>MiniDics

damn they marketed these things everywhere

>>58237106
>Sony's problem is that they stick with a dying format for a long time

No, they pump out proprietary formats, force people to use them, and then drop support and switch to another format with even more DRM.

>>58237136
>implying they didnt stick with betacam forever
not disputing the drm factor though

>>58237158
Netflix will make them totally irrelevant in the movie industry shortly anyway and we won't have to deal with their bullshit.

>>58237058
Peoples entire opinion of Vista is based around memes. Most of the early issues were caused by UAC being oversensitive, new kernel, and developers asking for admin privledges to run fucking everything which drove UAC crazy.

Vista also added 64-bit support which was far less meme than 64 bit XP. Which was great because I was playing lots of chess at the time and chess engines were both mostly written for windows and got big performance boosts from 64-bit.

By the time the issues were worked out which was around SP1, Vista was nearly as good as 7. Vista SP1 was really the start of windows turning around its OS to not be such a joke when stuff like OSX 10.5 and ubuntu 7.10 were competing against Vista Gold and XP SP2. Like holy shit Windows was positively getting BTFO by goddamned freetards.

>>58237170
yeah, but no one has cracked 4k hdmi drm yet afik unless im not up to date, but thats not sony tech anyway

>>58237113
they were the hot shit in the 90's. its just that there was so few places to buy them, being no amazon or whatnot. half the DJ's i knew in the rave scene in florida in the late 90's had their whole set, completely prerecorded on minidiscs and a dual deck system to switch through seamlessly. they'd be getting their dicks sucked, and setting up lines in the booth, and no one caught wind of it.

>>58237178
>Like holy shit Windows was positively getting BTFO by goddamned freetards.

I actually remember this well. Too bad alternative OSs were such a small and niche market for freelords to have fully capitalized on Microsoft's bungles.

>>58237200
They also went from a monopoly in browser marketshare to second place and falling because they refused to compete with firefox for years, and when they did they released IE7 which sucked.

IT went from having the highest fucking marketshare smartphone OS to ending up getting its balls smashed by Apple and Android.

I have no idea what crack Microsoft was smoking during this time in its history.

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They also released this abortion-tier version of office in 2007.

I seriously don't know what was happening with microsoft around this time. Everybody started using OpenOffice and Microsoft failed to release a compelling version of office until they had the bright idea of charging for subscriptions and doing cloud integration years later. Thunderbird became an actual Outlook competitor. Company went fucking retarded and it all culminated in the same year, 2007.

>>58233016
watching HEVC 10-bit on my Sony TV. Best thing ever from Sony.

Protip: it's probably a hidden feature from that TV, they didn't even advertise about HEVC support. I had to personally test it before buying that TV.

>>58237327
pre-docx, I prefer 2003. docx era, 2010.

Windows OEMs also dropped the ball hard.

2007 was a fucking kekworthy year when Apple released the fucking fastest windows laptop.

https://gizmodo.com/317060/macbook-pro-is-the-fastest-windows-vista-notebook

>>58232595
Is this why AMD are unknown to everyone outside of /g/?

>>58232840
I'm surprised I've never heard of that thing until you posted it

>>58237419
Holy fuck yes marketing has much to do with Intels success. I was still underage B& when the athlon 64 was competing against the Pentium 4 which was a complete meme CPU with an absurdly long pipeline that led to low IPC because Intel had long stopped caring about anything because MORE GIGAHURTZ

I could not convince my parents to buy a fucking AMD CPU that was much better value over an Intel one because of intels marketing. I got so salty. There was an old copypasta floating around this time

>If your son has requested a new "processor" from a company called "AMD", this is genuine cause for alarm. AMD is a third-world based company who make inferior, "knock-off" copies of American processor chips. They use child labor extensively in their third world sweatshops, and they deliberately disable the security features that American processor makers, such as Intel, use to prevent hacking. AMD chips are never sold in stores, and you will most likely be told that you have to order them from internet sites. Do not buy this chip! This is one request that you must refuse your son, if you are to have any hope of raising him well.

AMD is mostly unknown now not because of marketing, but because they make inferior products to both Intel and Nvidia that give laptops lower performance for the typical user and less battery life. They have traditionally been more competitive in the shrinking desktop market where they've been getting crushed in marketshare. They're a low-end value brand with a fraction of nvidia and especially intels advertising budget.

Like during Athlon64 vs Pentium 4 when AMD was selling Higher value AND better performing CPUs, and Intel was still seeing strong sales for no other reason than marketing and brand recognition, that's when you really say how much of an impact Intels marketing made.

>>58237472
ohh fuck where do I remember this from

>>58237498
Intel flat out bribed oem's not to use AMD's chips back then. They even got caught and charged for doing it.

>>58237552
Found it. http://adequacy.org/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html
BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos Torovoltos, before the Russians lost the Cold War. It is based on a program called " xenix", which was written by Microsoft for the US government. These programs are used by hackers to break into other people's computer systems to steal credit card numbers. They may also be used to break into people's stereos to steal their music, using the "mp3" program. Torovoltos is a notorious hacker, responsible for writing many hacker programs, such as "telnet", which is used by hackers to connect to machines on the internet without using a telephone.
Your son may try to install " lunix" on your hard drive. If he is careful, you may not notice its presence, however, lunix is a capricious beast, and if handled incorrectly, your son may damage your computer, and even break it completely by deleting Windows, at which point you will have to have your computer repaired by a professional.
If you see the word "LILO" during your windows startup (just after you turn the machine on), your son has installed lunix. In order to get rid of it, you will have to send your computer back to the manufacturer, and have them fit a new hard drive. Lunix is extremely dangerous software, and cannot be removed without destroying part of your hard disk surface.

>>58232731
Tfw phones goes from big to small, and goes big again.

>>58237583
Intels ability to sell utterly shit products through shady means and marketing absolutely baffled me and infuriated everybody reasonably knowledgeable about tech at the time.

>>58237614
Ah you beat me to it.

>3. Has your child asked for new hardware? Computer hackers are often limited by conventional computer hardware. They may request "faster" video cards, and larger hard drives, or even more memory. If your son starts requesting these devices, it is possible that he has a legitimate need. You can best ensure that you are buying legal, trustworthy hardware by only buying replacement parts from your computer's manufacturer.

Oh dear, I think my younger brother may be a hacker.

>>58237472
it does my heart good to see that.

my brother was an authorized AMD reseller back in the early 2000's when the palomino and appaloosa chips were out. We were hardcore AMD fanboys from hell back then.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2012/04/20/sayonara-sony-how-industrial-mba-style-leadership-killed-once-great-company

It has some good observations about them

>>58238152
it was the palamino chips that i was thinking of.

wiki is wrong about the dates they hit street though, i had one in my computer in june 2001. we had it water cooled and overclocked to hell. goddamn i loved that desktop. I had done a paintjob on it that was so fucking tacky and gaudy, that it looked like a bass boat from Jeff foxworthys worst nightmare and the beginning of my dark descent into case ricing.

In fact the ps4 is getting lower sales .Because of ps4 has not enough original ps4 game and mostly ps4 Multi-platform game can play on PC.
When consumer is out of fashion,I will also buy sony's production only headphones.

>>58232232
Their cams are on the verge of top tier, as in the idea of them should be tip tier, but like with all things Sony they fail in execution. They've been forcing the market forward and getting the older, sluggish camera makers to get off their ass and into action (they haven't though).

Problems with Sony: patchy qc. If good, it's great to use as the results are spectacular. Poor warranty repair in USA as they outsource official repair to some shitty third party that does fuck all because it keeps costs down for Sony. No pro support like Canikon. If they fixed this be they'd be even more on the right track.

The UI for their cameras is fucking retarded, and designed by some programmer that has never actually used a camera before. Menus and sub menus with little logic or reason for their layout. If they fixed this, then great. As it stands I feel like banging my head against the wall when I have to use it (have to, because they've got the tech that can do what I want, so that's something going their way).

A badly designed camera that becomes a chore to use is not good business sense. I have no idea what makes them do the shit they do usability wise. Still, they're making slow, incremental improvements but these don't keep up with the pace of their technological advance.

I heard that the guy in charge of Sony's cam division has a philosophy of "just throw a bunch of shit and money at the wall and see what sticks" - so things get made, and instead of improved upon are abandoned for something new and shinier. This hasn't been how the pro camera market has functioned; pros would keep their gear for several years before upgrading.

Sony's attempt to force typical mass consumer electronics release schemes (2 new bodies every year! Better fucking upgrade!!!) have created more amateur photogs more interested in spec sheets and amassing gear rather than actually taking photos, though Sony can't really be blamed for how retarded consumers act.

>>58232765
>minidiscs

My long lost love!
Where did you go?
Won't you come back to me?

>>58233123
This.
Japs will not buy Jap brands that say "made in China" on the product, so the companies do some finagaling (legally) and makes some with "made in Japan" on them solely for domestic sale. Debate rages online as to whether or not there's any actual difference. Some think that the Japs keep the "best" specimens for domestic sale, others think those fags are just fooling themselves and it's all the same shit with the same Chinese QC overseen by a Japanese foreman.

>>58237395
How times has changed though, now Windows 10 runs faster and better than any version of OS X on a Mac.
http://www.laptopmag.com/articles/windows-10-vs-os-x

>>58236350
False.

>>58231936
Xperia phones would be great if they had finger sensor

>>58239064
Except they do...

And they're on the side, really fucking convenient on my z5p

Unless you're a lazy burger

>>58239095
Yeah

Burger here

And yes we do decide the market so don't say Sony should just ignore the entire American market

>>58232997
So basically Sony tried to westernize and it backfired

>>58233732
>>58233759
Only part of the company that doesnt fucking suck shit through a crazy straw.

>>58234894

Sony objectively makes the best HDTV's and best mid to lower audiophile tier audio equipment.

>inb4 senheiser shills

>>58236296

>bmw
>joke

K....

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>>58239126
Well the fingerprint scanner still works provided you flash international firmware

And no you don't decide the market, burger, no one wants to work in an overcrowded industry with shitty carriers, CDMA (wtf is this shit still alive?), retarded number of bands and dumb consumers who don't buy anything that doesn't have a fruit logo on it.

>>58239192
I'm the one burger who bought an HTC 10

I don't understand how no one here bought it

Why won't sony just make a fucking DSLR-form factor fullframe mirrorless?
>much better battery life
>potential for better processor
>compact mirrorless is a joke

>>58239204
RIP that phone

Made me truly think that HTC was still back in the game

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>>58239213

Like the a7 series?

Besides, their a99ii is mirrorless and full sized.

Also Sony has the best battery life of all mirrorless. Slap a battery grip onto an a7 and it is even better. Short battery life of mirrorless is due to the screens. It is unavoidable. Though Sony could certainly make some higher cap batteries in the same size as the current ones.

>>58232717
It's not just movies. Literally every smartphone American brand other than Apple is shit and has less quality than chink phones.

>>58239254
>Short battery life of mirrorless is due to the screens
And that is exactly why they should make their cameras the size of DSLRs instead of shaving 40% off for muh compactness. Better battery life, better performance etc.

>just carry spares
For people who actually spend their time shooting rather than on /p/, the inconvenience of having to carry, change, and separately charge batteries greatly outweighs that of having a camera that's slightly thicker

>>58239146
>So basically Sony tried to westernize and it backfired
It's more that record companies and movie studios are their natural enemies. They want the highest prices and most extreme DRM possible. A company selling audio hardware is the opposite, the cheaper and more accessible music is the more hardware you sell.

Sony stupidly let their record company division decide on DRM, how to region lock everything and generally make buying digital music as unpleasant as possible. The entertainment industry is incapable of working with others, CD sales gave them more money than digital so they tried to kill it with DRM.

In the end music sales are worthless compared to what they gave up, the ipod and iphone market. Much the same thing happened in movies, with their PS3 and TVs they were in the perfect position to create a netflix type service years before netflix. Of course the movie studio people hate anything that competes with expensive discs let alone a subscription movie service. So they would never allow sony to create such a thing. In the end they have to sell their movies for even less money on netflix and sony has no digital movie platform let alone hardware sales.

Then there was the time their music division added malware to CDs that damaged PCs around the world. They didn't get fined much but loss of sales due to public outrage would have been many billions.

If they fired every music department employee in the 1990s and closed sony pictures down the day they bought it they would probably be worth 10x as much.

>>58236296
Vista was a painful and necessary step for Microsoft.

UAC, security policies, using unicode natively... There was a lot of really great things that happened when Vista came. But your unsigned trackpad driver from Boris Quality Codink wouldn't work. What a tragedy.

Vista Service Pack 2, or as MS called it, Windows 7, didn't have these problems, because for some strange reason, it was released AFTER people had gotten the bugs ironed out. Really makes you think.

I used Vista when it was new. It was fine.
I also used ME, which was also fine, provided you had the necessary drivers. Virus incompatibility was a "problem" though.

And anyone pretending that XP was rock solid forgets its first two years as well. If they weren't 3 years old when it released they'd have noticed that a lot of shit on XP didn't work right when it was new.

If 10 is what happened with Ballmer gone, I think he should be dragged back by a team of developers developers developers developers so that he can set MS straight again.

>>58236972
Vista SP1 was superior to Windows XP.

That's how bad XP was, but people were just too used to XP, so they didn't notice how shit it really was.

>>58237327
I wish I COULD use Thunderbird as my email client for work, because Outlook is overcomplicated shit.

Now that I use both Linux and Windows everyday for more than just launching steam, I can honestly say that Windows is utterly shit at UX compared to Ubuntu.

> How do I install my home printer on Ubuntu?
You plug it in. You wait for the notification that says that it's ready to pop up. You're done.
Ditto for my Wacom tablet. Plug in, it works, use it.

Far more painful on Windows.
The Windows store doesn't have dick in it. I can't get Visual Studio through it? Or Office? I can get Minesweeper Student Project Edition though.

And whereas Ubuntu is consolidating control-panel stuff into fewer and fewer places, Windows has what, 3 control panels now?
That does almost the same thing?

I wouldn't mind so much if that would be fixed in 6 months with the next half-year release of Windows that I could install, but that's not how MS works.

And the 10 start menu is a blatant rip-off from the stuff Unity, KDE and whatever Mint calls its stuff these days have been doing. When MS steals design from DESKTOP LINUX, you know something has gone wrong.

And they don't even steal it well!

>>58239547
>but people were just too used to XP,
It's known as the Stockholm Effect.

>>58232714
https://youtu.be/AowJGns66_4
The tiny discman

>>58232969
In that way, xaomi has some dignity left.
>>Inb4 xaomi is an apple ripoff hurr

Apple is simply the better company.

>>58232196
Vita is actually quite underpowered, most games run at sub-native resolutions which is preposterous for a handheld gaming system.

It's because Japan was known for electronics in the 90s, but now it's South Korea that more or less took over

>>58241867
Sony only got away with their bullshit for so long because technologically illiterate people didn't know they were paying a premium for proprietary formats with assfuck drm.

>>58239169
bmw is a terrible fucking car, it always was and will be a dumb status symbol

>>58237498
>AMD was selling Higher value AND better performing CPUs, and Intel was still seeing strong sales
There's something key you're missing here: even though the Athlon was better, AMD had no ability to supply the market. If they sold every chip they could make with their foundries, they could supply about 20-25% of the demand. By the time they decided to sink billions intomore fabs, Intel came along with C2D.
Other things, Phenom bugs, Bulldozer, the ATI acquisition, negotiating with Dell to spurn the rest of the industry - AMD has made many missteps and dubious decisions on their own.

>>58241867
>South Korea that more or less took over
Japan threw out its engineers and found gooks waiting to greet the ronin with nice, fat salaries.

The average age of a Sony engineer is 55.

That's what happened.

>>58233771
>>58236189
I bought one in great condition for 100 USD a few years ago.

Then it died 6 months later.

No regrets, considering the price. But fuck was I sad to see it go.

>>58232607
Don't matter, they're printing money with the Playstation.

>>58231936
>What the fuck happened, barely 20 gears ago, the name Sony meant quallity
Exactly, when they started to. compromise the consumers noticed.

>Samsung and other gooks shit on their TVs, Walkman is dead, they fucked up big time on the phone market losing billions, VAIO was a disaster, etc.
Walkman, died with the rise of mp3 players and ipods.

>At this point, i think Playstation is their only successful product
I would still be a console babby, when I bought a PS3 and I found out it wasn't backwards compatible, I was pissed. When I found out that their update removed the option of installing a custom OS, I was pissed. When Sony took Hotz to court and argued that you do not have the right to do whatever you want with your own electronic device - that's when I knew Sony was utter shit.

>>58232619
>They got into the media business which resulted in them putting DRM into all their products.
This, Blu-ray was completely a fucking jew-technique cash grab. We have passed the 50GB dual layer BR limit with other formats - they set themselves up for failure and fucked themselves by making BR a proprietary format.

>>58231936
>Samsung and other gooks shit on their TVs,
Based on what I've seen first hand with the Sony display model TVs versus Samsung (fuck other manufacturers besides these two,) Sony has better picture quality and color.

>sony

Gramps pls