Have you nuked your botnet software yet, anons? http://hard

>>58090750
Don't have Intel ME in the first place.

>>58090765
At least you stay warm during winter.

>>58090750
I didn't fell for the botnet cpu anon.

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>>58090786
Oh totally, this 35W CPU's a fucking furnace.

>>58090802
Then you do nothing besides the most basic web browsing or similar tasks.

Try encoding a bluray or similar and check back with me in a week or two when it's done.

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delete this

>>58090821
It's all I need my desktop to do, I essentially use it as a thin client. Any real work is done on headless servers. As long as I can browse the web with a couple dozen tabs while listening to music or watching TV shows I'm content.

>>58090765
>>58090791
do you think you can avoid it forever?

>>58090860
Given I've made it this far without dealing with it and haven't even attempted to avoid it I don't see why not. Especially considering I don't plan on purchasing x86 hardware again.

>>58090765
Those ancient laptops won't last forever and they're getting more expensive.

>>58090892
>I don't plan on purchasing x86 hardware again.
what pray tell do you think will come to your rescue when your current setup fails?

Or do you simply plan on killing yourself by that time?

>>58090765
It's on most low power and mobile CPUs anyway. AMD has a similar thing as well.

>>58090923
you can browse memes with a raspberrypi or similar

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My C2D doesn't have this problem.

>>58090934
lol if all you're doing is looking at dank memes, why do you even care about avoiding x86?

The whole point of avoiding intel is to avoid being monitored and spied on, and unless you're into some crazy illegal shit, I just can't fathom why someone would purposefully make their tech life shit because they don't WANT to deal with x86.

You're shooting yourself in the foot, insisting you're actually fine and not hurt, and then walking through a half mile of human feces barefoot. It just doesn't make sense unless you're literally autistic.

>>58090965
Sure? Your network chip might have an earlier version. http://ark.intel.com/products/26550/Intel-82573E-Gigabit-Ethernet-Controller for example.

>>58090965
are you retarded? C2D is when they started.

>>58090965
On the other hand, it has a ton of other problems

>>58090982
you do you :^)

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>>58090992
Nope, don't have that either.
>>58090997
Yeah, nah.

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>>58090982
>crazy illegal shit
people doing that don't get caught using this system
this is meant for monitoring the people who try to fight against the elite

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>>58090998
Like what, performance?

>>58090908
What ancient laptop? And no shit, but it's already lasted 8 years and is fully serviceable, if anything dies I can replace it for next to nothing. Only thing that would be remotely costly is upgrading DDR2 memory compared to newer versions but it's still next to nothing.

>>58090923
>what pray tell do you think will come to your rescue when your current setup fails?
POWER.

>>58090933
I know what it is, I also know that my processor doesn't support it.

The new AMD Rizen™ does not have this problem.

>>58091074
Yes it does.

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>>58091074
yey!

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>>58091078
>muh ARM NSA chip

O rly?

>>58091074
(((predictive learning)))

>>58091091
AMD has their own equivalent to Intel ME.

>>58091033
>Yeah, nah
so what model C2D then? because the majority have iAMT 2.0 or 2.1, or if it's mobile, 2.5/2.6

>>58091067
>POWER.
lol? Are you in college or something?

Grow up kid and join the real world, you aren't doing shit with POWER at home, mainly because you can't afford it, but also because there is little to no consumer level support so you'd be flying blind and I just don't think you're anywhere near smart enough to do such a thing.

>>58091060
Performance and being stuck on a legacy platform, barely functional usb 3.0, no NVMe and alike

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>>58091127
I'll upgrade next year if possible, and nothing really of the shit you mentioned I need anyway.

>>58091116
>Are you in college or something?
No?
>you aren't doing shit with POWER at home
Not yet, PowerPC's damned close though.
>mainly because you can't afford it
Well I can't just go out and buy a POWER system right now but I am saving up for one. If the Talos never makes it to production I'll just buy a used POWER server.
>also because there is little to no consumer level support
I use MIPS and PowerPC regularly; basically everything I run is open sauce software that doesn't give a shit about your architecture. I'm good. I'd be happy to refute more of your assumptions if you really want to keep going though.

Can I solder out the botnet off my cpu?

>>58091176
no

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>>58091109
E6550 OCed to 2.9ghz.

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>>58091197
>E6550
okay...

>>58091170
>basically everything I run is open sauce software that doesn't give a shit about your architecture
Oh sorry, you're some special FOSS snowflake, sorry I didn't know you were a part of the 0.00001% of autists who actually think that's reasonable.

Oh wait, you're a college kid who's 95% likely running windows, or a riced up Arch.

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>>58091220
No way. What am I supposed to.. do...

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>>58091245

>>58091231
Please don't associate me with freetards, you couldn't be more wrong. And actually I'm running OS X on my desktop (just because Opera 12), OpenBSD on my laptop and a few other machines, Debian on a few servers, actually the only Windows machine I have is a UMPC. Keep those assumptions coming though, it's hilarious how wrong you are. What's so hard to believe about a guy buying a used server?

>>58091245
Only thing you can do. Kys yourself.

>>58091284
It's hard to believe someone would waste that much time and money for the experience of not running x86. Because as we've already established, you're getting zero actual benefits from not running x86, if anything you're just making your own computering take longer than needed because you refuse to run on modern hardware.

MIPS and PowerPC are simply not viable for a home user, even if you are in your special snowflake niche use, which you'd be one of a handful of people in the world, you'd still be more expensive, higher power use, and slower than x86.

I just dont understand why you'd do that to yourself.

I understand having MIPS and PowerPC to learn on, I understand using all of the shit you use IN CONJUNCTION WITH new x86 hardware.

The raw performance you're losing because you simply don't feel like using x86 is retarded, and so far you've given zero reasoning as to why you'd restrict yourself in that way.

>>58090750
What if the packets coming from and going to Intel ME were forced to be nullrouted or routed to an embedded device (or some shitbox from 1999).

Disabling Intel ME may be tricky but keeping it busy is better than letting the NSA hack it.

>>58091315
>MIPS and PowerPC are simply not viable for a home user
You can compile a web browser and media player for these architectures. Isn't it a "home use"?

>>58091337
I guess that could work, as long as you are on your own network
>Disabling Intel ME may be tricky but keeping it busy is better than letting the NSA hack it.
what

>>58091344
Sure you CAN, but you couldn't hand the average person a POWER workstation and expect them to get a functioning desktop environment.

You can use an 8 socket E7 Xeon server for home use if you wanted, that doesn't mean you should.

>>58091315
>Because as we've already established, you're getting zero actual benefits from not running x86, if anything you're just making your own computering take longer than needed because you refuse to run on modern hardware.
I don't refuse to use modern hardware, I refuse to use x86. Pretty sure a POWER7 or POWER8 server will suffice. Not to mention that there are plenty of benefits such as having an arch that isn't a backdoored polished turd.
>MIPS and PowerPC are simply not viable for a home use
4u. I have no issue using them.
>you'd still be more expensive
idgaf
>higher power use
See above.
>and slower than x86
See above.
>I just dont understand why you'd do that to yourself.
Because I'm already positive everything I'll need to run will work and that the processor(s) will be more than sufficient for years.
>The raw performance you're losing because you simply don't feel like using x86 is retarded
Nah
>so far you've given zero reasoning as to why you'd restrict yourself in that way.
I don't need to give a reason, bitch. If you really need one though, Intel ME should be enough of one.

>>58091361
You're on /g/, a board for technology enthusiasts. You shouldn't be expecting everyone you're replying to to be an average home user, you fucking mong.

>>58091361
Go to Debian website, download Power8 iso, install.

>>58091394
we should still be concerned about them

>>58090786
Can somebody explain this level of retardation to me?

How would *not* having a ME increase your TDP?

>>58091400
Why? this affects them in literally no way whatsoever.

>>58091355
I'm not quite sure if Intel ME has the option to set a limit on connected clients. If it does, then nullrouting its packets is the best solution.

>>58091418
It was an AMD joke pun meme standup prank anecdote

>>58091419
because everyone has normie relatives and friends

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>>58091313
>kill yourself yourself

>>58091313
;^}

>>58091394
>Intel ME should be enough of one.
Oh you mean the thing we've confirmed can be disabled, not to mention if you already have older hardware that is pre-intel ME, just use that for a PFsense box and filter all your network traffic to only allow the things you want outside of your firewall.


But yeah, going full retard and wasting hundreds of dollars on Power7/8 is the better plan.

>>58091428
Do you carry your forewall box with yoursefl everywhere?
>>58091435
Whyen I see these posts I want to kys my s

>>58090982
>>58090923
More importantly

What makes you think the alterantives will be any more botnet-free?

>>58091429
But AMD has the exact same thing

>>58091337
Doing this would require knowing what packets are going to and from the intel ME. And as far as I can tell, nobody has any evidence of the ME sending or listening to unsolicited packets

So exactly what blacklist would you add to your firewall?

>>58091445
Yeah, why? Haven't heard of the Raspberry Pi?

>>58091463
But it is not ME.

>>58091432
And? Nobody's going to be using this machine but me. Even if I did let a "normie" on my machine, it's quite trivial to get them set up
>hey anon, can I check my facebook on your computer
>sure
>proceed to open SeaMonkey then let them take over
Wow, that sure was tough.

>>58091439
>But yeah, going full retard and wasting hundreds of dollars on Power7/8 is the better plan.
Well considering the plan is literally the same since I found out about Intel ME you're in no place to criticize it based on that criteria. I just threw a random example since apparently I need to justify everything I do to some autist on the Internet.

>>58091477
But it's the same shit

>>58091463
>exact same thing

No it does not.

>>58091487
college kids piss me off

>>58091476
Raspberry Pi has proprietary SoC drivers and can not be trusted in this case. Also, it is overcomplicated. You can get a SBC computer a size of USB ZIP Floppy Disquette to run your firewall and also act as a Wireless network 802.11 Wi-Fi corldess card.

>>58091475
Not blacklisting, but limiting the connections. If you limit the allowed connected clients to 1, you can connect your shitty Pentium III from 1999 to your PC with Intel ME and forget about the privacy issues that surrounds Intel ME.

>>58091432
If you can;t install your gnu/linux os, then ask people on your usergroup to do that for you.

>>58091496
AMD TrustZone

google it

>>58091529
>If you limit the allowed connected clients to 1
what the shit is this even supposed to mean

one active TCP socket? Because that would be a retarded as fuck limitation

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>>58091488
It ain't but I'd still like to hear from how it is.

>>58091537
It is not the same thing, you mongol. It is called other name, it uses different architecture and has different structure.
It was developed by different people ffs

>>58091501
You want to talk about getting pissed off? Here I am planning a build I've been aspiring for for at least five years and about to make it reality and I've got some autist on the Internet calling me a college kid repeatedly like it's some insult (even though I've made it clear I'm not in college), whining about X and Y even though it affects him in no way whatsoever, and trying to tell me what to do with my own damned money.

>>58091529
ME has full DMA, it can interact with your OS, it can inject acket into SSL traffic and so on.

>>58091537
Even though being an alternative to Intel, it's no where near as bad as Intel's solution. It's not the same.

>>58091475
Intel ME uses the network stack on it's own, in order to do this is has to have it's own IP address, it ALSO has it's own MAC address (even though you only have one NIC, it is given two different MAC addresses).

It's trivial to allow connections from one but not the other.


At the end of the day though, I have never seen the intel ME try and send or receive unwanted packets. The whole it's an NSA backdoor thing might be true, but I have seen no evidence of this.

>>58091560
>aspiring for for at least five years
say no more, you've already confirmed you're just a tech autist neckbeard who wants to jerk off to esoteric technology.


be on your way.

>>58091560
https://www.raptorengineering.com/TALOS/prerelease.php

Are you aware of this?

>>58091593
Do you get off by looking down on people on the Internet? That seems to be the only logical explanation for your behavior. Oh yeah heaven forbid I have interests and hobbies.

>>58091612
Yes, that's what I plan on buying. >>58091170
Used POWER7 or 8 server is just the backup plan.

>>58091551
>>58091552
>>58091580
Wow, the AMD shill defense force is real

>>58091588
>Intel ME uses the network stack on it's own, in order to do this is has to have it's own IP address, it ALSO has it's own MAC address (even though you only have one NIC, it is given two different MAC addresses).
That's not how networking works at all you dumbass. There's not some magical entity that “assigns” IP addresses uniquely with a “one per NIC, no cheating please!” rule.

There's fuck-all stopping an integrated ME or BMC from piggy-backing on top of the existing NIC's MAC and even IP.

>>58091628
Proper virtualisation support, would that mean you could stick a 1080 in and game in a windows VM decently well despite the underlying POWER8 arch?

If so I kinda do want that system.

>>58091628
>for around $5,300 USD
kkkkkkkeeeeek

>>58091549
>>58091569
Let me simplify it for you:
> Set the number of people allowed to control your PC to 1 (either by IP or MAC)
> Get a shitty computer (Pentium III) or an Android phone and control your PC using said shitbox or phone
> If anyone else tries to control your PC using Intel ME, they won't be able to do it because the only device that is allowed to control your PC is your shitbox or your Android phone
> Since you're the only person allowed to control your PC, nobody will be able to do shit to your PC unless someone gained access to your Android phone or shitbox.

There, got it?

I just wish that there's a way to completely disable Intel ME or just make it an add-on feature for business computers (Integrating it to the motherboard instead of the CPU, for example).

>>58091657
>game in a windows VM decently
>game
>POWER8
sure thing kid

>>58091653
Why not go read the developer guides regarding intel AMT before responding like a moron.

Everyone on /g/ pretending it's some NSA backdoor is hilarious to be honest. I use AMT all the time for managing remote computers at work.

>>58091657
Doubtful.

>>58091658
What's the issue?

>>58091664
This is the dumbest post in this entire fucking thread

>“control your PC”
jesus christ, what the shit is this even supposed to mean. You sound like your entire understanding of networking comes from reading the F1 documentation for the windows remote access tool

>>58091664
You can simply disconnect all network devices and use this computer locally with a keyboard and monitor. No need to reinvent the wheel.

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>>58091631
>no explanation
>ebin googlel
Okkkkk

>>58091671
We use AMT at work too

>developer guide
Yes, I should totally trust a developer guide written by Intel to tell me all about hardware backdoors that Intel may or may not have embedded into their chips

Fucking retard.

>>58091677
Assuming you're getting the 8 core variant you're getting 3 year old performance for 8-10x the cost.

>>58091116
The Plex server that I built for my family requires some CPU horsepower, especially when streaming up to 8 clients at once.

I know this is only one example, but there are plenty of other instances requiring high performance components

>>58091753
sure, but you'd save yourself $4500 by buying a 5820k or 6800k and an x99 motherboard.

There is simply no reason to look at POWER or MIPS for home use unless you just want to be esoteric and have something weird that no one else does. That's obviously what the other anon wants.

>>58091074
AMD Platform Security Processor™

itt people who believe they can hide from government hackers, literally the best of the best minds with unlimited resources by using a cuck processor and using linux

>>58091737
And? Given I'm currently using an ~8yo dual core CPU and am content with its performance, this thing should last me quite a while. Not to mention I'm more interested in threads than cores as this'll also be a VM server so those 64 threads will definitely come in handy.

>>58091768
That's not what I want at all but keep pretending you know what makes me tick. You've only been wrong what? 30 times just itt?

>>58091784
Better than just bending over and dropping your pants.

>>58091418
You must be new here.

>>58091792
>That's not what I want at all
yeah because it's a totally rational and sane purchase decision to spend $5300+ on hardware you don't need.

Even if you do want more threads, just buy two high core count ES/OEM E5 v3/v4 off ebay.

Two 20 core, 40 thread Xeons right now would cost $1400 on ebay.

That's 40 cores and 80 threads, not to mention supporting DDR4 RAM, NVMe, USB 3.1, ECC, etc.


What you're proposing to build is just retarded for the performance you expect to get. If you're NOT doing it just to be esoteric and different, please explain, why exactly you're doing it.

If you admit you're just doing it because you want to be different and a hipster, fine at least that's a fucking reason

>>58091835
>buying engineering sample CPUs

>>58091824
Sorry, I usually hide stupid fanboy >>>/v/ threads so I'm not up to speed with your latest and dankest memes

>>58091869
>buying POWER architecture for personal use

>>58091835
>yeah because it's a totally rational and sane purchase decision to spend $5300+ on hardware you don't need.
If that upsets you, just think, that's just the price of the board and processor. I've still got to buy 32GiB ECC memory, 5x4TB HDDs, 240GB SSD, and other shit.
>If you're NOT doing it just to be esoteric and different, please explain, why exactly you're doing it
Again, I don't need to justify shit for you. But since you're so annoyingly persistent I'll throw you a bone. I want to do this because ever since I've found out about processor architecturesd I've been entranced by the fact that x86 has practical total world domination yet practical alternatives still exist. Early on I became a fan of POWER and given it's still a viable alternative and I can afford it now you can bet your fucking ass I'm going to do it.

>>58091874
Literally nothing wrong with that. At least I won't be buying possibly malfunctional illegal CPUs.

>>58091887
>I've been entranced by
Oh look, we're back to >>58091593

>>58091873
Lacking Intel ME means it's an older CPU, which in turn means lower power efficiency.

>>58091897
You're retarded.

>>58091898
And lower clock speed, die area, etc.

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>>58091906

>>58091773
It's not the same thing as intels

>>58091922
>weeb
Makes much more sense, I've been arguing with a degenerate turboautist the whole time. I'm going to bed, have fun wanking to cartoons and thinking you get to dictate other people's hobbies and finances.

>>58091943
yeah and it totally doesn't have any pesky NSA backdoors :^)

The problem is really bricking your shit and without any reflashing tools you'll fucked up the rig and it doesn't magically work even it says working for your CPU
https://github.com/corna/me_cleaner/issues/12
Unless you have spare hardware laying around and don't need it anymore I would test it on that but read the risks

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>>58091949
>degenerate turboautist
says the person willing to spend over $6000 on outdated POWER8.

>>58091954
but it doesn't :^)

>>58091922
>>58091949
>>58091960
As much as I hate weebs, they have a point. You can't exactly call someone else a turbo-autist when you're doing something even more autistic (If you don't think buying POWER is autistic that kinda just proves the point further).

>>58091960
That in no way makes me a degenerate nor an autist, however your cartoon obsession and better than everyone else attitude most definitely makes you both.

>>58091998
>better than everyone else attitude
whoa, i'm not better than everyone else, far from it.

But I know for a fact i'm better than some poor bastard wasting $6000+ on POWER8.

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>>58091997
>having hobbies is autism
Sure thing bud

>>58092012
...you just called him autistic for watching anime you literal retard.

So buying old unheard of and unused by the consumer market architecture is a hobby, but watching Taiwanese finger paintings is autism?

>>58092012
yeah anime isn't a hobby buy spending $6k+ on POWER8 is.


fuck off and kill yourself.


I hope your POWER8 garbage disappoints you more than you disappoint your parents.

seems like someone got triggered

>Destroying your working PC intentionally

TOPPEST LELKEK

>>58092044
triggered by your inability to keep a consistent argument?

>Buying a botnet cpu in the first place

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>>58091954
>>58091954
The amount of bullshit outta yo mouth, wow ahaaaha. Your even doing it for free awhaghaaa, it's not the same goy.

>>58092073
Yeah the NSA required intel to install a backdoor, and when AMD finally gets around to installing their own similar encrypted module, it's TOTALLY not a backdoor.

Fuck off.

>>58092010
>I have no interests other than wanking to cartoons so when someone actually invests in something they enjoy
I can't help but make fun to fill the void left by my lack of friends, hobbies, and other things that make life worth it.

>>58092024
>you just called him autistic for watching anime you literal retard.
And he is, you fucking blimp fart.
>So buying old unheard of and unused by the consumer market architecture is a hobby, but watching Taiwanese finger paintings is autism?
Someone's finally catching on!

>>58092034
Spending money on hardware isn't a hobby. Assembling over the top builds with interesting hardware and then using said hardware is.
>I hope your POWER8 garbage disappoints you more than you disappoint your parents
I honestly don't see how I'd be disappointed. Vastly higher specs in a build I've been yearning for for years.
On the bright side my CPU can't possibly disappoint me more than your existence disappoints the human race.

>>58092062
Try to keep in mind that there are more people than just you and me on this site; that wasn't me.

>>58092062
not even the autist you're arguing with but you mad

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>>58092073
But Intel IS still superior!

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>>58090786
Kek.

>>58092079
It's not even out. Intel shills said the same about the current FX lineup and it turned out different.

>>58092088
The amount of time you've spent trying to justify and defend your position is enough to tell me you know it's a pretty poor choice.


Enjoy your hobby of wasting money.

>>58092112
>and it turned out different
lol?

According to whom?


There isn't even a confirmed backdoor in the intel CPUs, it's just speculated. Now you're telling me you can CONFIRM that AMD CPUs have no backdoors whatsoever?

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>>58092100
Also, no AC.

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>>58090750

Kido, this is for adults. Come back when you turn 18 and stop believing in bullshit of the retarded and their baseless conspiracies.

>>58092100
>temperature = heat
Everyone point and laugh at the retard

>>58092114
I can't sleep and every other thread I've got open is dead. I'd much rather argue with some sperg than just sit here doing nothing. I love how you still think you're inside my head. That's another reason I keep replying, you're hilariously retarded.
>Enjoy your hobby
Of course I will. If I didn't it wouldn't be a hobby of mine.

>>58092120
Never said it had no backdoor, but it's not the same as Intel's and not as bad.

>>58092131
>Of course I will. If I didn't it wouldn't be a hobby of mine.
yet anime isn't a hobby. GG boys pack it up, the god of computers has spoken.

>>58092141
>not the same as Intel's and not as bad
We have no evidence intels even exists, so you can't make either of those claims.

>>58092148
If, you say so. ;^]

>>58090750
>botnet
Just block it on your router.

>>58092164
The burden of proof would be on you my friend, you're the one claiming an encrypted piece of firmware has a backdoor, it's on you to prove that it does or doesn't.

I can with confidence say that no one here knows for sure either way, and anything you say is just guessing.

We have no proof the backdoor exists, yet somehow, it's demonstrably WORSE than AMDs which isn't out yet...?

>implying

>>58092143
It's not, it's just something you ferociously wank to constantly due to your endless list of mental disorders.

>>58092206
>ferociously wank to
of the over 6TB of anime I currently have on my hard drives, less than 500GB is hentai.

It's hard to wank to 5.5TB of slice of life, scifi, etc.

>>58092179
I'm talking about AMD's current lineup and not Ryzen. And as you said only from speculations I'm seeing people explaining how AMD's current solution not being as bad. But yeah there's nothing there to say that Ryzen's chip couldn't or could be worse.

>>58092217
We both know you actually have 12TB of degeneracy and it's all hentai trap shit

>>58092236
I have 18TB total storage, but no. Only about 6-7TB is anime. Another few TB is movies and TV, with about 500GB of music.

>>58092280
Whatever helps you sleep at night.

>>58091439
I can't tell whos trolling if either. If this anon wants to run his macbook g3 to chug along on slackintosh then who gives a shit? How much is intel paying you? jesus

>>58092313
You're retarded.

>>58092321
Explain. Or is that too expensive and slow for you to do right now?

>>58091956
>you somehow extracted, patched and reflashed the bios image without flashing tools
oh here we go, mr wizard

>>58092313
He wants to spend $6500+ on a POWER8 workstation. That's hardly a G3.

>>58092172
Do you bring your router everywhere you go?

>>58092354
>MacBook G3
Quite a few things wrong here. MacBooks weren't a thing till Apple switched to Intel. G3s are old as shit, fist appearing on the market in '97. I'm discussing buying either a workstation or enterprise server with processors that are relatively new (POWER8 came out in 2013) and have only very recently been succeeded by POWER9, not some ancient shittop.
>slackintosh
Again, an Intel thing. This has literally nothing to do with Apple other than the fact that PowerPC is based on POWER.

>>58090965
dumb frogposter.

>>58092024
Sitting on your ass, watching anime and mouth breathing is not a hobby

>>58092422
Yes you are right and again who cares. Show me where power touched you so we can further diagnose why you think using alternative and older hardware is bad

Youre on /g/ ya normie faggot

I discovered I don't have ME either on my 4 year PC.

>>58092627
yet sitting on your ass jerking off to POWER9 is?

>>58092706
>being this defensive

>>58092721
You're on 4chan and you're saying anime isn't a hobby.

I'm not the original anon, just defending anime from retards pretending their hobby is somehow any better.

>>58092677
You have, unless it is AMD.

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>>58090750
>Phenom II X6 BE is be the best processor without built in botnet
Who masterrace here?