Hi /g/, I want to invest into some decent speakers, I'm

>>58059404
Location?
Better pick the nearest good vendor in your area, because everyone can build good speakers if he wants to. Same applies to instruments and other music equipment.

>>58059404
bought the mackie cr3 recently. I had no fuckin idea what to buy, went into a DJing shop and they gave mee them for around 130€ iirc.
I am pretty fuckin impressed. Was worth it.

http://mackie.com/products/cr-series

budget?

>>58059446
The Netherlands

>>58059479
Sounds good anon, looking to invest some more money though

>>58059525
I was thinking about €300-500, may be tempted to spend more

>>58059404
get jbl 305 instead
literally best 5" speaker / monitor under $1000

>>58059564
>The Netherlands
Hmm, things look bleak on this list
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_loudspeaker_manufacturers
Then again, fuck knows how accurate it is.

>>58059625
Yeah we don't really have local producers, vendors just import shit from all around

>>58059624
I will look into them thanks anon

>>58059564
>Sounds good anon, looking to invest some more money though
okay, then have fun with your choice.
I don't think you can do a totaly wrong choice if you invest more. But I have no real clue about sound shit. So I am outta here

>>58059479
Absolute garbage. Funny as Mackie makes good loudspeakers too.

http://noaudiophile.com/Mackie_CR3/

>>58059564
How are you going to set them up? LSR305 is an easy choice, has some caveats of course but there's nothing quite an good in its or near its price range. Hissy class D amps might be a problem in near field. If you are fine with spending even more than what you stated, there are a lot of good loudspeakers available. Doing research is hard, more so if you are tech illiterate. You can ignore the Audioengine crap in the OP btw.

>>58059564
go to thomann.de and check their monitors, you have room to get a decent audio interface too

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Go to your local Goodwill/charity shop or look on used sites (ours is Gumtree). Search for bookshelf speakers and Google the models. Once you find one you like run your finger around the outside of the speaker cone, if anything flakes off don't buy it. Otherwise it'll be fine.

You'll also need an amplifier, there's tons out there but for speakers anything from the 70s-90s is still fine in most cases. You can get a great speaker setup for not a lot of cash this way.

Video for reference: https://youtu.be/76w-Efjwagg

>>58059719
>Absolute garbage.
Maybe for audiophile niggers.
I don't know OP though. You hear that the bass lacks volume, but anything else is okay for my needs. I don't mind, bruh

>>58059787
retard

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>>58059788
It is a shitty loudspeaker, terrible engineering effort. There's no excuse for that and you don't have to be an audiophile to see why poor performance is not acceptable. I fail to understand why would you recommend them when you don't seem to get how poor they are and won't get anything out of it if someone purchased them based on your shitty recommendation.

>bass lacks volume
Yeah sure. There's no low bass, only massive upper bass emphasis. Boomy as hell.

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>>58059787
This 1000x. I browse the local classefieds every now amd then just in case something really cool comes up. The coolest thing I've seem were some infintiy kappa 7.1's for $200 but the guy didn't reply.

Pic related are some infinity sm speakers and a kenwood ka 3500. Though those took a little bit of easy work. Both sets of speakers needed the foam replace, but the rotted foam meant i got the small pair for $25 with a center channel and the big ones for $40. Refoam kit on ebay for the small ones was $15 and $30 for the bigger set including logo correct dust caps. It takes maybe 10 minutes of scraping to get old foam off and then you just let the glue set overnight on the new foam.

The amp was $35 and had some issues with the channels fading out. A little contact cleaner later and it works perfect.

I'm not going to pretend this is some audiophile grade set up, but for the ~$100 i spent between the big speakers and the amp, you'd be hard pressed to find something comprable brand new.

>>58059906
Okay. Now go watch an anime, bro.

Is there a difference between monitors and speakers?

>>58059994
and I quote

There are (at least) two types of speakers referred to as monitors, and (at least) two types of speakers referred to as loudspeakers:

studio monitors -- speakers that are specifically designed to have flat response, minimal distortion and so on. Their intended use is in the context of a recording studio to provide unadulterated playback of the recorded material.
live monitors -- speakers that are used during live performance (sometimes for playback during recording) so that the performer can hear what they, and the rest of the ensemble are doing. These need to be loud enough for the situation at hand, and need balanced output, but don't need the pristine characteristics of studio monitors. Often, these are wedges positioned at the front of the stage, projecting back towards the ensemble.
live loudspeakers -- the speakers that are used to project the sound of the performer out to the audience. More often these are referred to as "PA". Here overall power, and distortion free operation are the prime considerations. Some deviations from perfectly flat frequency response are sometimes acceptable, esp. if other speakers, e.g. sub-woofers, can fill in the missing signal.
stereo loudspeakers -- the speakers used to project the sound for home audio systems. These are tuned to produced sound that is more pleasing for listening entertainment.
The important difference between stereo loudspeakers and studio monitors is that the former are often voiced in a way that affects sound away from what is recorded; e.g. some may be bass heavy, or have a smile shaped frequency response curve etc. Ideally, studio monitors do not introduce any color of their own, but, again ideally, perfectly reproduce the recorded sound being played back on them. This reflects the different purposes: the former are designed for enjoyment, the later are designed for critical listening.

>>58060034
I see, thanks. So if I want flat response to listen to music in m apartment, studio monitors are the way to go.

>>58060062
yes

some people just want phat bass and call it a day, some others of the autistic persuasion prefer a neutral sound, like me, I got some yamahas which are rather flat, and I love the fuckers

>>58060062
Might as well throw this in there: just because it advertises itself as "studio grade" or "a reference model" doesn't meant it actually is. Marketers know they can make the average joe go "oh golly gee if they use in the studio to make the music, it must be good!"
In reality it's not like there's any standard such a title has to live up to. Any company could label any product that way even if it's complete junk. Take beats studio headphones for example. Though they're certainly less shit than the rest of the beats line-up, I doubt even Dr. Dre himself would use that garbage when producing music.

>>58060224
What you really want is anything "military grade". Because if the military uses it, it has to be the best.

>>58059788
>review points out its a terrible speaker
>it's just what audiophiles think

just get the micca mb42x

>>58059987
>+-8 dB 80-18000 Hz

>>58060332
I don't think that anon would know what thay means

>>58060224
I'll be sure to look at amplitude response analysis.

OP here, sorry I had to leave the thread to go do some stuff.

The primary thing I'm seeing here is a debate between a bass-heavy sound and a more neutral sound.

I've had a bit of both worlds, I guess I like a more neutral sound. But I've had headphones where the bass is so smooth you barely hear it, I don't want that either.

Any suggestions based on that?

>>58060987
get bookshelf speakers and a subwoofer

>>58059787
>>58059916
I didn't know about this. Going to take a look next time I go thrift shopping. Thanks!

>>58060340
Maybe he or at least someone else will catch on and start to research, maybe even learn a thing or two.

>>58060987
Your loudspeakers' job is to reproduce the signal accurately while minimizing the effect of the room or at the very least make the loudspeaker and room interaction as predictable and consistent as possible. If you truly think you want to pay for some kind of special coloration(which you could just as easily do with an equalizer), that's up to you but I certainly don't recommend it. Simple low and high shelf tuning controls are common in active loudspeakers and in receivers/integrated amplifiers. Get an accurate pair, tune the sound in other ways if you want.

Something to understand about low frequencies... When you put the loudspeakers in a room, bass is going to be all over the place. Reflected sound dominates lower frequencies due to their wavelength and interacts with the room creating room modes, resonances, which cause standing waves and cancelation of others. The magnitude and range of the effect is a somewhat complex relationship between the room dimensions, sound sources and their positioning, objects in the room and surface materials. These resonances can shift the lower frequencies up to tens of dBs even if the loudspeakers you have are flat on-axis in an anechoic space. Fixing them is hard, without equipment to measure and correct them, multiple subwoofers and/or acoustic treatment even impossible so you shouldn't put too much emphasis on this area right now. Correct measurements done in an anechoic space correlate with in-room performance. A good loudspeaker design still matters.

emotiva airmotivs

4s if you want small for pc speakers, 6s if you want to blow up a room. Ribbon tweeters are the shit

>>58060987
Use and EQ?

>>58059404
>>58060987
Get a lsr308 and use a eq.

Or get a sub with bookshelf speakers and a amp like pic related

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>>58062167
forgot pic

>>58062167
€419 for the bundle, that seems alright. Even leave s €150 for the small mixing panel I wanted to get

>>58062167
>>58061990
wait what do you mean exactly with EQ? I have an external soundcard but it's pretty shit desu

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Not OP but I'm curious as to what /g/ thinks about rokits. I was planning on buying a pair after I buy the modi 2 uber, which would complete my listening setup.

>>58062887

They look like fucking minions.

OP just get yamaha hs7 and be done with it.

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Any JBL bookshelf speakers and an amplifier.

http://www.jbl.com/loudspeakers/STUDIO+230.html?dwvar_STUDIO%20230_color=Black#start=1
http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/hifi-components/amps/a-u671/?mode=model

>>58062887
those speakers sound boring compared to dali zensor 1

>>58063736
>>58063140
It was the cheapest pair I could find that still got rave reviews. Is the dali zenzor 1 worth the extra $200 though?

>>58063736
>boring
anon pls

>>58063811
Also, I was looking specifically for studio monitors specifically.

>>58062887
Objectively worse than the lsr305.

>>58063895
Is the lsr305 objectively worse than the Yamaha HS7?

>>58063951
Probably yeah. I'd rather go 305 with a sub than more expensive monitors though.

>>58064000
Solid advice. Thanks. I'll consider it.

>>58064036
Also this might be controversial but IMO the best bang for your buck on gear is to get a cheap measurement microphone and EQ your speakers with that.

>>58064138
No Audiophile already has corrected dsp for alot of good speakers, especially for the lsr305

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>>58064138
you can fix problems in a single measurement point and on-axis to some extent but to do that you need to have pretty solid measurements. i would do quasi-anechoic gated impulse response measurements on and off axis first and then measurements at the port and drivers to assess the loudspeaker response thoroughly. you can get a picture of what can be fixed with equalization quite well by that. then move them to the place where you want to listen and do room response correction.

or you could just buy something competent like lsr305 and just do the room response stuff if you get a suitable mic. getting a mic to actually do simple in-situ measurements of the system is a key in any decent setup. doesn't cost you a lot of money to do this either. dayton, umik, behringer have very cheap gear to achieve this and ARTA or REW are freeware as are a lot of equalizers such as EQ APO.

getting flat on-axis response is easy. not fucking up the rest while you do that is not and things like directivity can't be equalized.

>>58064138
>>58064209
>>58064335
I'm completely new to this so I'm lost. I'll look into this stuff though.

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>>58064335
forgot to loop jif

>>58064369
probably the best to focus on some good loudspeakers first, worry about the mic and measurements later if you get interested. if you do, or just want to start researching, here are some stuff to start from. gets you further than most audio enthusiasts would ever go.

http://www.linkwitzlab.com/Loudspeaker-Room/tests&measurements.htm
https://www.minidsp.com/applications/acoustic-measurements/loudspeaker-measurements
http://www.audioxpress.com/article/testing-loudspeakers-which-measurements-matter-part-1
http://realtraps.com/art_measuring.htm#1

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OT but not deserving of its own thread.

So the tweeter in one of my computer speakers died. It's a pair of Audio Pro addon t8's that i've been very happy with.

Took it apart and measured it and the tweeter in the second (passive) speaker is totally dead.

My question is, is it worth getting a cheap replacement tweeter like this:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2pcs-1-5-inch-6-Ohm-10W-tweeter-speaker-silk-imported-film-louderspeaker-outside-diameter-40mm/32646209326.html

Or should i just say fuck it and buy totally new speakers?

>>58064444
I'm definitely interested. Sound and sound design is a personal interest of mine that I'm still not too knowledgeable in. Thanks for the resources.

>>58064458
>My question is, is it worth getting a cheap replacement tweeter like this:
hardly. only if you truly know that it's the tweeter which is broken and not something else and you can get that exact same model then maybe.

>>58064538
>hardly. only if you truly know that it's the tweeter which is broken and not something else and you can get that exact same model then maybe.

I know for a fact that the tweeter is the problem, but finding the exact same replacement tweeter seems impossible. As far as i can tell it's some in house audio pro stuff and they wont send me a replacement (speakers are obviously out of warranty)
I measured the one that's working and it appears to be 6ohms, so i'm good there.

>>58064458
If you're gonna do it then you should replace both. It's gonna take some fucking with the crossover (is there one?) or some time with an equalizer. At that point the price and effort might not be worth it.

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all of you faggets, get passive speakers and smsl small amp

you will thank me later

>>58059404
Any audioengine speaker is great and wont dissapoint.

>>58059479
3inch woofers
>impressive


Why the fuck is 4chan full of actual retards?

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>>58065016
judge me by my size do you

KRK RP5 vs JBL LSR 305?

JBL is good, there's nothing wrong with that choice. But Emotiva 5s are better. 6s if you have a big room. 4s if it's just for sitting on a desk a few feet away and size is an issue.

>>58061784
>>58061797
lmao, thanks for this

>>58064823
Already suggested here
>>58059787

>>58064869
>meme engine
>good
are you a "tech" YouTuber by any chance?

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>>58059404
Magnat Vector 203 are sold in the Netherlands and are pretty amazing for the price. I got mine for 135€ from a NL seller, but I just use them as rears

Honestly, I'd just watch eBay/local_craigslist_equivalent closely for a while. I was able to get some very nice Quadral speakers from 2005 and a '90s Sony amp for <100€ and wrap up a nice birthday present.

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>>58059404
you need at least 10k for it to sound not shit

>>58068305
>same bait for weeks
time to finally come up with something new, m8
this board, and especially the audio side of it is way too small for that

>>58068358
its not bait im serious

>>58068373
it's ok bro
just try harder next time

>>58068398
stay mad pleb I bet you don't know what actual bass sounds like

>>58068416
>sounds like
>not feels like
you lost man

>>58068474
you should ask my negibours what 20hz aat 119db feels like post your sub then cuck boy

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>>58068502
Here's my sub you twink

>>58068541
you don't even have one does your wifes boyfriend have one

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>>58068559

>>58068598
putting that much effort in but why I think you need to get the golden ear then you will understand

>>58068633
Why don't you lend me yours and I'll tell you what I think about it

>>58068732
get 4k and buy one yourself

>>58068743
Are they really worth the money?

>>58065344
jbl, no contest

>>58068852
Not OP but I've seen this answer a couple of times in this thread. Is it because Rokits are bad for the price or because the jbl is exceptionally good for the price?

>>58068927
the latter

>>58061784
Is the Philips unironic? If so I am looking for some speakers around 20 dollars because I am too ghetto to get more expensive.

>>58068955
nope
get a concert ticket instead for that money

>>58059624
Adam A5X wants a word with you. The LSR are fine as entry level monitors, but they're far from the best below 1000. Maybe below $500 and that's stretching it.

>>58069228
you mean eve sc205, from the engineers that bailed out when the company went bankrupt because it's completely shit now
also neumann kh120 eats all that other trash

>>58059404
price is very telling of the quality of the speakers

>>58069454
no

>>58069463
yes. Magnets drive speakers. Believe it or not, magnets cost money. Bigger magnets cost more money. Better speakers use bigger magnets. Better speakers cost more money.

>>58069500
2/10

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>>58069546
>can't provide counter
>assume it's a troll

classic /g/

>>58069588
well just try to make it less obvious next time

>>58069605
you really don't know much about speakers do you?

>>58061784
>>58061797
please stop this bait

>>58068305
>not even stacking your ominous oversized black boxes on top of eachother for maximum autism aesthetic

>>58061784
>broght

>>58069295
>Neumann
We're talking below $1000. The KH120 cost like $1400 a pair.

Is it bad idea to use LSR305's as a living room speakers? Listening distance will be between 10 and 15 feet.

>>58071069
they won't be loud enough in a lot of cases with that kind of distance

>>58071113
Do I need bigger ones? Yamaha HS7 maybe?

>>58071206
not much of a difference
stop looking at nearfield monitors, I'd say

>>58071237
What else I can buy in this price range? And I've read that even Bronze 2 sound worse than LSR305.

Hey same here, can someone help?

Looking to get a pair of speakers for my bedroom, ive already got hs8s in the studio though.

>>58071206
>near fields
Why? Even hs8 arent good for that distance, thwy will be loud enough but theyre meant to be 20cm to about 1m away

>>58063140

this. I also have a pair of HS7 and I love them. Good bass big enough for my room.

>>58072140
Not him but i like the hs7 when im doing additional mastering. Usually ill stick with hs8 but the 7 and 5 give a more "consumer" sound