Russia Hacked The US to influence its election. why cant government

Trump won
Get over it

>>58049171
>why cant government workers, institutes, and politicians use secure technology?
But OP

Only terrorists use encryption.

God Emperor Trump is going to ban encryption so we can spy on Chinese men and mooslem terrorists.

>>58049182

thanks for playing

>democrats fuck over their best candidate for a whore with no morals and shit policies
>lose the election
>blame russia
American politics.

we literally look like jackasses. anyone can hack the US, soon enough its going to cost us pretty big.

this has nothing to do with politics

>>58049171

Fuck off shill Hill.

>>58049171
>Russia Hacked The US to influence its election.
wrong

>i understand theres day zero attacks and all. but cmon
no exploit. it was someone leaking shit on purpose.

>hurr hurr russia hacked
even anything, they just published the garbage democrats did, and withhold garbage against the republicans.

you know what would have been nice? if there were no garbage to leak.

>>58049540
>wrong
Whoa anons looks like this anon knows something that the FBI and CIA don't

>>58049171
Social hacking with timed leaks and social media amplification. Technically correct, the best kind of correct. The ammunition for the leaks did come from the data breeches though.

But now what I really want to talk about. Why doesn't the US have deniable cyber-partisans the same way China and Russia do? Is it because our criminal class doesn't have the skill-set or because if you have the skills you can make more money elsewhere? It's like all the US has used is precision attacks.

The NSA should be broken up into defense, attack and monitoring. Clearly the attack mode is preeminent.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/17/us/politics/obama-putin-russia-hacking-us-elections.html?_r=0
http://qz.com/862535/how-to-keep-your-home-or-office-safe-from-russian-hackers-lessons-from-the-democratic-national-committees-cyber-security-disaster/

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>>58049171
>Russia Hacked The US to influence its election.
No they didn't. That's just nonsnese that LIBTARD KEKS and FAKE MEDIA are pushing.

>>58049566
top kek at all these leftists suddenly shilling for the CIA. 2016 was hilarious. I wonder what we have in store for 2017.

>>58050416
you think they fugged?

>>58049171
>why isnt there a standard to combat this?

For the military there is. They're called STIGs.
Ask anyone that has worked as a sysadmin in the defense sphere and they'll tell you about the pains we go through for STIGs.

But the weakest point of any system is the user. The DNC breach was started because a dumbass fell for a phishing email.
I would be willing to bet that ~99% of all breaches are user error.

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>>58050441
Except I'm not a leftist, retard. I could tell you to search "cia fbi russia hacking" and you'll have dozens of sources but you'd deny them all because they aren't Breitbart.

what specifically did russia do?
Leak all the dnc's emails?

How is that russias problem?
Donna brazille gave Hillary the debate questions... But fuck let's blame russia

Why don't they just use Gmail?

The Russians can't hack Gmail. As in actually HACK, not social engineering crap or phishing methods.

Wow Americans just accept that Mr. Trump won. Deal with it.

>>58050728
>Donna brazille gave Hillary the debate questions...
Yea and Donna Brazile got fired from CNN, why are you acting this shit is mutually exclusive?

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>>58049226

>cuck sanders

>best at anything other than taking it in the ass

unbelievable how reddit still worships this shitbag after he sold you all out.

so they are gonna get away with it?

don't want killary either, but fucking russia can't up and get away with this shit.

>>58050773
They got away with everything. They won, get over it. Figure out the rules of the new game and adapt.

>>58050773
>believing (((CNN))), funded by (((George Soros)))

>>58050482
Not really, anyone who takes Breitbart as a source is retarded as well. I'm not right wing either. Just think it's funny all of a sudden everyone trusts the CIA suddenly.

I'll believe it when the government presents some evidence rather than "X agency says X..." Russia didn't hack the voting machines, and I don't think that they were the source for Wikileaks either. Wikileaks explicitly denied that claim and they are a hell of a lot more reputable than the CIA. Even if Russia was the person who gave Wikileaks the information, then they intervened by... Providing the US citizens with true information about one of the candidates?

>>58049171
>proprietary software is more secure
No. Secure software is more secure.

Open software does not mean open scope of development.

Open software is just freely forkable.

>>58051198
>Trump's economic teams literally worked for (((George Soros)))
Really makes you think.

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>hacked the US

I don't know that I'd consider John "The Molesta" Podesta falling for a phishing email "hacking The US".

>>58050441
>>58050441
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BE95qqkTc0

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>>58049171
>Russia Hacked The US to influence its election.

[citation needed]

What happened to pic related?

>>58051252
>implying anyone hasn't

>>58049171
no it didn't
fucking shill

I heard they're stilly on floppy disks in Washington.

>>58049566
Haha this guy's an expert on which information that federal intelligence agencies disseminate is legit or not

Explain me this, big guy, why do you have so much faith that counterintelligence is going to be transparent to the public? How in any fucking way does that make sense at all? If you ran a federal intelligence agency, would you be like "Well, we have to tell the American people the truth 100% of the time about what we're doing, that makes total sense?" Fuck off ctr

>>58051269

Podesta is a weirdo, it's not surprising he'd fall for a phishing scam. Remember when he said he'd do everything he could to get the government to reveal the existence of ayy lmaos?

Best part about Podesta getting phished is that he was initially concerned with the email, so he contacted the DNC techs to check it out. They assured him it was OK.

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The idiots that got hacked fell for fishing attacks, the same shit that your grandma falls for, do you really want people that fall for that stupid shit running your country? these hacks were done by pissed off Bernie fags not russians.

>>58050476
"Ah shit I can't retort this from my retort bank, better just hit 'em with a meme"

HACK THE PLANET

>>58051348

According to WSJ they also tried to hack RNC but the RNC techs saw it and prevented.

>>58050482
>"You're wrong cuz I'm NOT that! Take my word on it!"
>"Take MSM - who it's been proven is the mouthpiece for federal propaganda in the hash-checked emails that weren't forged - as a source for all this totally real russia hacking shit! Ignore the content of the emails... RUUUSSSSIIIAAANNNSSSSS!!!!"
fucking faggot gtfo

>>58051384

Who are you quoting?

>>58050763
Debbie Wasserman-Shulz got fired, too. Look how well that worked out for her.

But really, she came out pretty good from that. So did Donna Brazille.

>>58051192
would be fine with it if it didn't have dire consequences to us and our current allies, just hope that pro ruskie posters have a dog in the fight and aren't just with them because their team won.

really have gotten too carefree after the ussr broke apart.

>>58050769
>equivalent of a first grader calling another first grader gay
>source your shit, cuck

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>>58051375
That's what you get when you hire based on diversity rather than merit.

>>58051346

>wow this email in broken english says to go to virus.ru and give them all my passwords
>I better check with an expert to determine whether or not it's a scam

>>58049540
>Hillary hacked the US so Drumpf would win.

>>58050773
Get away with what? Show me evidence. A bunch of MSM articles vs verified emails and independent research into shit that was already online and out there... Fucking propaganda cuck

>>58051307
was about to post this

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>>58051421

It still stings, doesn't it faggot?

>>58051446
not sure what kind of evidence would sway your mind, maybe server logs and emails?

and one would hope that kind of evidence is being combed through our intelligence, unless they are propaganda cucks too, and thus not to be trusted either? who exactly would be trusted then?

>>58051346
>They assured him it was OK.

From what I understand the tech guy realized it was a phishing mail and tried to warn him.

But instead of writing "it's illegitimate" he accidentally wrote "it's legitimate".

>>58051533

>who exactly would be trusted then?

random people on the internet
infowars.com and 4chan are the most reliable sources of information

It's funny that people are blaming hacking when Hillary won the popular vote.

>>58051554

infowars is below even huffpo and breitbart tier

>>58049171
> why cant government workers, institutes, and politicians use secure technology?
Because it's not as easy as you make it sound.

> why isnt there a standard to combat this?
And some protocols, supervision. and everything else needed to give you even just *basic* security against a state opposition?

Remember how you couldn't keep billion dollar military secrets secret?

You think way more understaffed, more underfunded civilian agencies can do it somehow?

> Create Secure Proprietary Hardware
Lel. That's like the worst way to design a complex system. Make it all secret. It'll have more security and sabotage holes than features.

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I think it's funny how liberals were losing their shit when Trump said he wouldn't automatically accept the results of the election without looking into thing first. Then they got their collective shit pushed in by Trump and now they are doing exactly what they were giving Trump shit for and then some but I guess that is a normal operation for liberals.

M-m-muh recounts. Funny thing is Trump gained more votes over Hillary during the recount in Wisconsin.

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>>58051613

There's nothing lower than the leftist lugenpresse. Infowars means well, as autistic and misguided as they may be.

>>58049171
>Russia Hacked The US to influence its election.

no they didn't

>>58051533
>who exactly would be trusted then?

Watch CNN and then believe the exact opposite of what they claim.

Not 100%, but close enough to the truth.

>>58051277
The jews wan the US and Russia to genocide each other so bad they can't even control themselves anymore.

I'm just waiting for the liberal media to start openly call for the extinction of the white race on national TV any moment now.

>>58051421
>source your shit
source what you fucking cuck

1. he didn't say anything that requires a source, he just insulted you

2. this isn't a fucking college essay, no one is required to provide sources when you're too lazy to google shit

>>58051504
>58051504

nice try ctr shills

>Why don't you just make it secure! Then it won't get hacked!

>>58049171
>Russia Hacked The US to influence its election.
Wrong, Assange was on Hannity's radio show just a couple days ago and confirmed not only was his source not Russia, but it wasn't even a state actor. That story from the UK Daily Mail about a pissed off DNC staffer mad about what they did to Bernie doing the leak seems to be the most likely.

>>58049566
The CIA has refused to meet with the House Intelligence Committee despite their claims, so there's no fucking evidence..

>>58049171
>why cant government workers, institutes, and politicians use secure technology?
If the current releases on how the hack occured are to be believed, then it was a social engineering click this bitlylink to reset your password level 'hack'

So there is little that can be done beyond not letting retarded old people use email for sensitive information.

I was happen when Trump won until I saw all the slimeballs he's putting on his cabinet.

Not sure what I was expecting though. I know he doesn't give a shit about lower-class or working-class people more than any other politician.

>>58051903
>I was happen when Trump won until I saw all the slimeballs he's putting on his cabinet.
Thanks for Correcting the Record, 10¢ has been deposited to your account.

>>58051903
you lost get over it

>>58051613
I'd honestly trust the humble water filter merchant and kikebart over huffpo and all the other MSM nowadays. They have zero credibility to anyone with a working brain.

>>58051923
>>58051918
I didn't lose, believe me I'm much happier to see Trump in over Hillary, but I don't know how much more Trump fans can go on believing he actually gives a shit about them without a single indication that he does. Everything so far seems to point to him being Bush 2.0 in him getting all his oil buddies in with him to start hijacking the economy for personal gain.

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>>58051828
>>58051421
>>58051772

You guys want sources? Here's some sources, your precious cuck Sanders ran a massive fraud, routing $80-90 million in campaign contributions through a marketing company that is registered to a house in Alexandria, VA that lists NO employees.


https://medium.com/@VonEbsy/old-towne-media-llc-buying-a-political-revolution-40cbac5cb4c3#.s0e35idsf

http://observer.com/2016/08/this-political-consultant-made-millions-off-of-sanders-campaign/

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/07/how_bernie_spent_his_millions_was_anything_but_revolutionary.html

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/08/what_happened_to_those__millions_from_the_bernie_sanders_campaign.html

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/5/31/1532953/-The-Potential-Scandal-at-the-Heart-of-the-Sanders-Campaign

https://vtdigger.org/2016/07/15/sanders-campaign-millions-go-to-mystery-firm/

https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/expend.php?cid=N00000528&cycle=2016


NO REFUNDS, KIDS!

I thought /g/ was liberal.

>>58051958
Obama was already Bush 2.0, just with a shittier foreign policy. Did you ever stop to think that Trump is just getting actual businessmen who know how to get fucking results for the the cabinet picks? You're just pissed because Rex Tillerson is da big bad oil man and all oil people are bad because hippies say so.

I'm also glad he picked Puzderfor Secretary of Labor. McJobs don't deserve $15/hr.

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>>58051962

>>58050763
oh, the scape goat got scoped. Nah, she was acting independent, certainly nothing systemic there.

>they hacked the gibsons
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Bmz67ErIRa4

>>58051957

>implying any of these websites have any credibility whatsoever

>>58051962
I am hardly phased by neoliberals trying to discredit real voices for change.

>>58050769
Sanders was a great guy, but a coward.

He wasn't willing to sacrifice his and his families lives for the election.

She threatened him and his family, and he chose his family over the well being of the US.

I still respect him, but we need a democratic socialist leader without fear.

Death to cronyists and corporate cocksuckers.

Taxation is a blessing.

>>58052045
>people don't deserve livable wages
Oh ok, so you're one of those people who still live with their parents or grew up in a financially secure family. Good for you.

Don't think though that any of those people give a shit about the people at the bottom level. They don't. The benefits they build for themselves and the economy have nothing to do with the working-class people you seem to hate.

>>58051957
>breitbart isn't mainstream media
Uh huh. That's why they are cited by MSM in the same manner that MSM cites MSM

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>>58049171
>Russia Hacked The US to influence its election.

>>58052150
>Not wanting to sacrifice his family's livelihood makes him a coward
Jeez man, you are a tough customer.

>>58051962
>tfw you'll never grab all those pussies

>>58052168
>a bipartisan commission of congress found substantial evidence indicating Russian meddling

Snowden said all the Hillary leaks were inside jobs by whistleblowers.

I trust him more than anyone else.

Inb4 le russia threatened him to say that meme

>>58052157
They don't, deal with it. Not all work is worth that much. Especially not flipping burgers.

>>58052166
They aren't, they're the boogeyman for the MSM that they can scapegoat as "fake news" just like this "alt-right" made up shit they're trying to pin on anyone who holds views that aren't either those of a progressive or cuckservative.

>>58052150
>he chose his family over the well being of the US

He did indeed.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/08/socialist_bernie_sanders_spends_more_than_his_reported_net_worth_on_his_emthirdem_home.html

>>58052220
N O R E F U N D S
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>>58052132
>real voices for change

>has never changed anything other than post office signs

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>>58052209
>found substantial evidence
yet none shown

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>>58052204

This guy has literally been swimming in world class pussy his entire life.

>>58052220
As a democratic socialist, I like regulated capitalism.

There is nothing wrong with living extravagantly as long as you pay your taxes to support the necessary social programs and businesses pay fair living wages.

Him owning multiple homes is nothing wrong.

>>58052213
how do you leak a Gmail account?

Not trying to deny it but I'm genuinely curious. Did someone compromise his computer?

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>>58052204
>>58052262

>>58052185
He should have let Hillary mysteriously suicide his family to expose the evil of cronyism, he should have called for revolution and the heads of the ruling class to instill fear into the next generation of government.

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>>58052278

>>58052274

John Pedesta fell for a phishing scam. Think it was Gmail.

DNC had their own servers and probably not secure.

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>>58051656
Alex Jones is literally a charlatan who says retarded things for money.

>>58052269
>As a democratic socialist, I like regulated capitalism.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>There is nothing wrong with living extravagantly as long as you pay your taxes to support the necessary social programs and businesses pay fair living wages.

You can have money goy if you give us everything we want!

>Him owning multiple homes is nothing wrong.

"poor" senator from VT

owns 3 houses, obfuscated nearly $100 million in stupid college kids funds through an untraceable LLC

>>58052157
Okay, let's talk about classism for a second.

Racism, like all the other partial-issue politic "isms" / "phobia"s, are used to divide the middle class and the normies. It makes them argue against each other and ignore the fact that they're all being buttfucked by billionaires.
It's easier to create a unified nation than a unified world, but it's a stepping stone. Hitler saw this, Mao saw this, Stalin saw this - all practitioners of the concept of socialism in one state. And it's easier to create a unified nation/state when everyone living in it is generally pretty similar. Throw a bunch of gooks, chinkers, spics, wops, faggots, niggers, heebs (ESPECIALLY), leafs, viking LARPers, autists, etc into one space and they're gonna disagree on some shit… which people who are more interested in personal power - who have a means of doing so (the almighty dollar) - can use to get everyone all hot and bothered while they steal everyone's power and influence.
This is why classism isn't included - the same starbucks-sipping normie middle class cunt who will bitch at people for "sounding racists" "being sexist" "homophobia" etc will totally tell some kid out on the street whose life is all shit cuz they left an abusive household and can barely function who's spanging for food to "get a fucking job".

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>>58052445
Part 2:
Classism threatens the status quo. Did Nazi Germany have any class problems? Fuck no. They made sure everyone had a place to live and a contribution to make to society, and then threw all the degenerates and fuckbags into degenerate fuckbag jail. And MAYBE gassed them. Jury's out on that, but they probably didn't go to the effort, cause you can just starve the assholes out while squeezing a little bit of work out of them. Concentration camps were a great move, and it's not like we didn't do that in the US to the japs.
But it ultimately doesn't come down to race. Pretty much any race can be shown the light; the niggers of every race get pissy about this and complain about white-washing but it's mostly just about deniggerfication. That goes for azns, blacks, indians, spics, all of 'em. They CAN and DO assimilate, but the ones who don't stand the fuck out… and maybe should just be put into camps.

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>>58052422

He's the equivalent of Stewart/Colbert/current year man on the left, then.

I still fail to see the problem.

>>58052434
No one ever said sanders was poor, he just wasn't 1%

He's upper middle class.

Nothing wrong with being rich if you pay your fair taxes and pay your employees living wages.

Social Darwinists need to drink bleach.

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even if you use old school tech people will call shenanigans.
the facebook sheeple (yes i hate to use that word but its accurate in this case) claimed that the EU vote would be tampered if you used the provided pencil, instead bring your own pen

The secure framework is already in place. Politicians just dont use it because they fear the data wont remain private.

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>/pol/lution and trumpfags will defend this

>>58052217
>can't fucking temp a burger to save his live
>uhh yeah this is mid rare
>comes out falling apart in bits of blood
>uhh yeah this is medium
>cooked into a piece of flavorless mashed up leather

maybe learn how to cook for yourself or go to better resturants

maybe if you want something that's microwaved just go to the frozen food aisle at wal-mart

fucking "flipping burger" faggot, have you ever worked a day in your life, or are you thirty and bitching at your mom for not supplying you with tendies? fucking NEET

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>>58052471
>Social Darwinists need to drink bleach.

They wouldn't, because they're Social Darwinists.

>>58052500
>scandal comes out
>FUCKING WIKILEAKS

>scandal comes out
>FUCKING SNOWDEN

>scandal comes out
>FUCKING FAKE NEWS RUSSIAN HACKERS PUTIN

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>>58052500

>not loving based Russia

What are you, gay?

>>58052396
then that's a "hack" not a leak, right?

Also isn't it impossible to tell that such a phishing scam link originated from a foreign state? Even if it was posted and set up from Russia, how can they reliably say it's from Putin?

>>58052453
I read your posts and tried to understand where you're coming from, but it feels like you're just trying to justify racial discrimination.

>>58052150
>Sanders was a great guy,
No

>>58052500
No, they won't. They won't defend some MSM dipshit on social media pushing this load of garbage and they definitely won't defend you reposting it, you fucking shill.

>UHH MUH COLD WAR TWO

The emails were proven. Doesn't matter if they came from Americans, Russians, or Martians. Everything in them is still proven to be true. Unlike this whole "russian hacker" narrative.

>>58052511
I've worked min-wage jobs before. Stop being so entitled. Hard work alone is not valuable, scarce and skilled work is. Flipping burgers is neither. Nor is serving tables. I don't tip.

>>58052531
russians are degenerate my son

>>58052157
The current minimum wage is totally livable outside of shithole metropolitan areas like NYC or the Bay Area. You realize states can set a higher minimum wage? Even counties and cities can do it.

>>58052552
>we don't need investigation cause daddy trump won

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>>58052542
If you're going to live in this country, you should probably learn English.

>>58052269
>As a democratic socialist, I like regulated capitalism.
Leave this country, it isn't for you.
>There is nothing wrong with living extravagantly as long as you pay your taxes to support the necessary social programs and businesses pay fair living wages.
>muh taxes
No, fuck off. Taxes should be bare minimum to keep government functioning. Realistically you could probably fund the government entirely with import duties and maybe a federal sales tax.


And stop using taxation as a fucking punishment.

>>58052500
>where's the Republican outrage
There is none because Republicans aren't pants on head retarded and blame Russia for everything.

>>58052530
>I BET THE ALT RIGHT GREEN FROG DID THIS

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>>58049171
That's what happens when you demand use of software that makes it easy for you to spy on: it also makes it easy for other people to spy on.

>>58052584
Die Libertarian scum, this country isn't for you.

>>58051962

Holy fuck, this looks like a huge scandal. How did I never hear of Old Towne Media before? I knew Sanders was spending money like a drunken sailor, but I thought that was cause he was losing and desperate, not because he was putting millions in consultants pockets.

This is a fucking disaster.

>>58052583
Reading or writing?

>>58049171
>Anything government should use Qubes OS as a standard. Qubes OS as its Server os or simply create a custom OS
It would be even less secure. Do you have any idea of the men-power that goes and already went into OSes?

>Create Secure Proprietary Hardware and programs not accessible to the public.
>Proprietary

>DO not make major changes to these OS's or programs only security patches
That's what they already do, check the support of any commercial unix-like. Also, if you never implement the features in the OS you will have to implement in the userland, the problem persists.

>>58052601
You now realize 9/11 was 15 years ago. Some people here were 3 years old when it happened and will be spied upon out of fear of terrorism for the rest of their life due to it.

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>>58052578

>muh russians hacked shillary and told her to play identity politics and neglect the entire midwest

Goddamn, they're good...

>>58052606
I'm liberal bitch nigga. Founding fathers my kin, ho.

>>58052561
Both are.

Temping meat consistently comes with skill and practice. You've worked a minimum wage job, great. Have you had to temp twenty burgers at the same time for a room full of entitled-ass yuppies that are gonna freak the fuck out if every single burger doesn't come out perfect? AND have the experience to season every one right? AND be using some expensive-ass product - some local shit that was slaughtered two days ago and trucked in that morning?

Cuz that's still a minimum wage job, buddy. I did the service industry for 7 fucking years to support learning type theory outside of the mainstream education system. And even getting paid a dollar or two above it, or $14 in a state where the min is $9 or whatever is still jack fucking shit. $15 for fast food workers is extreme in that ppl who work fine dining for rich assholes make way less than that. Shit, Mother's Bistro in PDX only offers $12/hr for starting cooks. SF/oakland/whatever had to jack up their pay cuz they raised the way but it still comes out to like 13/hr to start at a nice place. You got skilled workers that are working the same hours for the difference of a couple bucks an hour and being like "they worked their way up" or whatever.

Also, don't you dare talk shit on servers. A good server is pretty much a professional hot chick - someone whose whole job revolves around looking amazing all the time and convincing dumbass customers that they think they're cool or whatever, for tips. There's a shit-load of skill involved in that.

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>>58052361

Jesus Christ, Oregon...

it's like i'm living in the 80's again


All of this has happened before
And all of this will happen again
So Say We All

>>58052665
>Temping meat consistently comes with skill and practice. You've worked a minimum wage job, great. Have you had to temp twenty burgers at the same time for a room full of entitled-ass yuppies that are gonna freak the fuck out if every single burger doesn't come out perfect? AND have the experience to season every one right? AND be using some expensive-ass product - some local shit that was slaughtered two days ago and trucked in that morning?
Since when does McDonald's do anything of this shit?

>>58052422
He's still fat...

>>58052664
>lrn2postleft
>lrn2bobblack
>lrn2feralfaun

the left doesn't even call itself the left anymore - liberal implies neoliberalism. all the ppl who are serious about it basically dropped out of society, get woke my nigga

>>58052685
LEARN how to fucking READ you fucking MEXICAN

>Cuz that's still a minimum wage job, buddy.
>$15 for fast food workers is extreme in that ppl who work fine dining for rich assholes make way less than that.

Don't straw man me you fucking cuck shill

>>58052686
I think it's a faked/shopped advert

>>58052697
i don't care what none of those pussy niggas do, i know what i am.

>>58052665
>Also, don't you dare talk shit on servers. A good server is pretty much a professional hot chick - someone whose whole job revolves around looking amazing all the time and convincing dumbass customers that they think they're cool or whatever, for tips. There's a shit-load of skill involved in that.
Now I know you're just laying bait, had me for a while though so I'll give you 1 tip out of 10.

>>58052656
Russia is not the point retard.

>>58052422
45 days later he learned how to hold his breath

>>58052656
This. Even if Russia did involve themselves in the election it I seriously doubt it was on a big enough scale to make up for the massive difference between them. I could understand if the election was a close on but the election wasn't even close at all and all the recount bullshit is a full on sham.

Hillary was the most corrupt and biggest POS candidate to ever run for president, hell even Bernie "Cuck" Sanders probably would of done better.

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>>58052674

>>58052578
>ignore the content of the emails. RUSSIANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111!!111#SCARY

fuck you

>>58051387
Whom art thou quotest?

>>58052769
Thou, knave.

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>>58052754

And we're supposed to believe Trump went wild over octopus lady on an airplane when he's surrounded by this all day.

Goddamn I fucking hate the lugenpresse...

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>>58052837

The media went full fucking PRAVDA this election. I couldn't believe it, the total arrogance on display. And they've somehow gotten even worse after the election.

Anyone that voted for Shillary was basically endorsing 1984. Fuck that.

>>58052761

>>58052725

>>58052459
>denying that they could lose instead of spending more money on the rust belt
W T F

>>58052959
Arrogance. That's what it comes down to. Like how they bought like 7 million in fireworks for when "she won".

>>58052534
Muh intelligence agency
>how can they reliably say it's from Putin?
That's classified. Just trust us goyim.

>russian hacked the US election
>there's not proof for that
>but must be real because Trump is the new elect president
Kek, Amerifats.
Hope that Trump mandates Voter ID, paper ballot on closed ballot box, inked finger and abolish shit like voting by mail. With that you reduce the posibility of fraud from russians, democrats and republicans.
Here in Chile we have that system and is pretty transparent, tough our political class is corrupt as fuck anyways.

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>>58049171

>>58053183
>Voter ID
Fuck that
>paper ballot on closed ballot box
Yes
>inked finger
Good idea


Why can't you foreigners mind your own fucking business, though? What makes you think you have a right to dictate what goes on in America?

>>58053214
The same I can ask you: Why the fuck does the US dictating what we doing in our shit holes?
Remember Allende? Military Juntas? Operation Condor? School of Americas?

>>58049171
>Russia Hacked The US to influence its election.
But that's bullshit. Where's the proof? Do you know what a proxy is?

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>>58052754

>ywn be in a naked sandwich between Virginia and West Virginia...

Why live?

>>58049171
>Russia Hacked The US to influence its election.
Nice try, but your shilling's not going to work here like it did on all those other social networks.

>>58053232
>The same I can ask you
Not really, no. You're complaining about shit the government does that we basically can't control without a revolution at this point, sorry, we don't want them doing it either. I've never gave a thought about what should go on in Chile and I doubt many Americans have. Meanwhile every fucking foreigner piece of shit wants to try and dictate what our country should be.

>>58053214
>>Voter ID
>Fuck that

t. nigger

>>58053214
>Voter ID
>Fuck that
Why because you want your illegal pals to go vote and subvert the will of all legal citizens? Even pooinlooistan has voter ID. I can't wait until Republicans pass FEDERAL voter ID, despite the fact that I usually oppose Federal anything, just to see the liberals freak out and cry
>muh voter suppression
>don't you know these dumb ni- I mean people of color are disadvantaged and can't be pressed to get IDs to vote

The tears will be as glorious as election night and I can't wait.

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>>58053214

>>Voter ID
>Fuck that

Get out you fucking commie

>>58053276
You can't understand the point, really?
US Goverment (Or Giga Kike, there's not difference these days) has influenced the world too much. You inaction has authorized your government to make our lives impossible.

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>>58049171
What I want to know is how the Russians managed to hack into a voting system that is not even connected to the internet? And they managed to do it without leaving any evidence behind... Really makes you think.....

>>58053183
Your country is named after our dinner, fuck you

>>58053340
>t. democrat nigger

>>58049171
HAHAH MY GOD, YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT BULLSHIT. Get out of here and never come back, sheep.

>>58049171
The Russians didn't hack shit

you white-haters and your old hag lost fair and square, deal with it

>>58053369
>b-but muh popular vote ;_;

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>>58049182
This. The elections are over. Nobody should care about Russian involvement.

>>58053331
They're talking about the DNC emails and Podesta's emails, not the vote itself. They backed themselves into a corner with that since they mocked Trump for talking about voter-fraud and even they know how hypocritical people would see the media if they tried that narrative.

So instead they're harping on
>muh russia
>muh russia

trying to say these hacks influenced the election. Maybe they did for some people, I highly doubt it. But they're ultimately mad that the Truth came out, not where they're saying it came from, that's a pure deflection.

>>58053346
Said the guy made out of beans and canned tomatos

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>>58053392

>>58053396
>confirmed as liberal nigger

>>58052583
>this country
I didn't realise 4chan was a country.
I also started reading his blog post but he lost me at "okay" and then I zoned out from boredom.

>>58049171
>believing the sour grape lies of the dnc
Russia did not hack the election. (Many gov't folks are, however, rather dim.)

>>58053369

It's hilarious, Trump was the only candidate that actually followed the fucking rules. Shillary stole debate questions, rigged the primaries, paid legions of faggots to astroturf the Internet, gave out classified intelligence about nuclear weapons at a fucking presidential debate, basically owned the entire establishment media... And lost to the guy from The Apprentice.

>>58049182
The election being over just means Trumpcucks are no longer shilling, it's just 100% bootlicking now.

>>58053431
Literally Mr. Burns in "A Star is Burns"

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>>58053439
cry more faggot

>>58053439
>t. cuck

>>58052584
You are the stupidest person so far on this thread. If you think you can fund an entire government's expenditure with 'import duties' you are literally less educated than a high school student

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>russians dindu nuffin putin is a good bois

The thread

>>58053457
I never cried to begin with.

Hillary won the popular vote. It shouldn't even be a question. Drumpf has no plans of his own. He has no political experience. He even went bankrupt 4 times.
Hopefully the electoral college does its job and picks someone more sane.

>>58053463
t.bootlicker

>>58053500
>t. cuck

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>>58053431
>gave out classified intelligence about nuclear weapons at a fucking presidential debate
Hah, I'm happy I'm not the only one who remembers that. I'd be scratching my head wondering about how the hell she got away with that for anyone else.

>>58053479
But we can found goverments with practically none producing shit because all shit goes to taxes, right?

>>58053481
Reminder that we do not live in the year 1990 Grandpa.

>>58049171
>Before the election, it looks like Hillary will win:
Haha haha, how could the election be rigged? Stupid Drumpf.
>Trump wins:
HOLY SHIT THE RUSSIANS RIGGED OUR ELECTION
Really made me think.

>>58049171
Is there any chance Russia or Putin hacked the US election in any way? No. It is cover for something else. The controllers don't even need to hack actual machines anymore, since they can control the numbers more directly. They just make them up out of thin air and then report them via the media. It is all a virtual reality. There is no longer any connnection between the voting machines and the numbers reported, so there is nothing for Russia or anyone else to hack. They would have to hack the report of the manufactured numbers between Langley and Google, for instance, or between Langley and CBS, in real time. There is no possibility that happened.

>>58053508
You can shut up now.

>>58053522
Sorry I don't speak Spanish

>>58053549
Cuck :^)

>>58053536
no, what kind of motivation would Putin even have. People even believing it for a second have no fucking idea of world politics, Putin is too busy fucking shit up in Eastern Europe to bother with another superpower

>>58049171
trump can't even spell president / precedent

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>>58053572
yesterday

>>58053555
>t. beaner

Must be a difficult task sucking Russian cock and being an apologist on an internet imageboard. Did you guys learn from your moms or sisters?

>>58053585
give him candy crush to play with
he'll be ok
feed him bs .. yer president .. keep slapping him on the arm mr CIA man
'yer precedent bud yer doing ok'

>>58053565

Why would Putin even prefer Trump? There's mountains of blackmail material on Shillary, he could fucking own her retarded ass easily. She's a totally known quantity.

Does anyone really think Donald Trump, the uncontrollable madman, is somehow easily subjugated by Putin?

>>58053597
>says the unemployed astroturfer
>>58053612
Both wants a multipolar world, and make policies against Giga Kike Soros.

>>58050353
dont quote regulation to me

>>58053572
>>58053585
>Trump literally gets his retarded opposition to market his message

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>>58053565
>no, what kind of motivation would Putin even have.
Putin didn't do shit, but he would absolutely have a motivation. Trump is the only one who isn't in cold-war mode in politics, and the only one who actually extended an olive branch to him. So it's pretty obvious he'd not want someone who wants to sanction Russia more or possibly start and other war over their involvement in the middle east or their cyber-warfare.

>>58053572
>>58053585
pic related

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>>58050416
>>58049467
>>58049182


OP here holy fuck are you literally stupid? did you not read the post? im talking about Technological flaws within our countrys computer infrastructure. i can give a rats ass who won, im simply using it as an example

>>58053637
>a cancer meme face

>>58050478
interesting, i never knew that. but about the user thing

>>58053630
Both don't even think alike, Putin's a Autocrat, Trump is a populist

the only thing both have in common is the "not giving a fuck about political correctness" part

>>58051539
lol

>>58053637
all the russians have to do is hack twitter
that is the comman/operational instruction base
the nuclear launch codes will be linked to trumps 4am rage tweet mechanism

>>58051539
Praise Kek!

>>58053519
if hillary hadn't been so selfish as to run, we'd have bernie sanders now

>>58053667

>Putin and Trump both want peace.

>That must mean the KGB has taken over and we should go to war!

Libtards actually think this way.

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>>58053685
https://archive.fo/OJjlI

>>58051630

> Because it's not as easy as you make it sound.

its not supposed to be easy that the point right?

>You think way more understaffed, more underfunded civilian agencies can do it somehow?
Then make this shit more STAFFED, thats the problem no one is taking this seriously until fucking nukes are launched by enemies, and lets face it, WE HAVE ALOT> the military has no problem staffing people, this needs to be a top concern


> Create Secure Proprietary Hardware
i mentioned this because, for example, APPLE has very good security. alot of the reason why many Techs hate them, because a lot of the shit is proprietary. i understand there a process to get to that point, skillsets needed, etc. but realistic i dont see this as impossible

>>58053667
>Both don't even think alike
I never said they did? Whether or not the two think alike, Putin obviously would favor Trump over any of the cuckservatives or any Democrat in power because of those choices, Trump is the only one not out to ram a cactus up his and Russia's ass out of vendetta. It's pretty simple.

And like I said, Putin didn't do shit. He didn't need to, the democrats self-destructed internally as all liberal groups eventually do, and got caught by babby-tier phishing tactics.

>>58053298
I couldn't give less of a fuck about what "pooinlooistan" does. You people bitch about spying and whatever, but as usual you don't actually give a fuck about freedom. All you give a shit about is your bitch ass "side". The day every Republican and Democrat fucks off to another country will be the first day of freedom in America in a long time.
>>58053325
Sucks for you, doesn't mean you matter even a bit to our country. Stop being self righteous and self important.

>>58049171
I like how obongo is so pressed about this but ignores when the EU put sanctions on US goods in order to influence the election like 10 years ago.

>>58051841
nothing is unhackable but god damn it we need to be the leader in computer security, innovative if we expect to accomplish this. its we have a digital Great Wall of China wall, but everyone is penetrating anyway

>>58049171
No they didn't, retard.

Quit trying to start a war.

>>58053766
No. I will reclaim until you gonna crazy.
Besides that, you know I'm right.

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>>58053719

>America would've voted for a socialist!

HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>58051277
>What happened to pic related?
"rigged" was literally meme buzzword trump started

it's not the same as the collective findings of intelligence agencies that have been investigating the matter for a long time.

you can question their motivations and such all you want, but the possibility of some kind of conspiracy is not proof of one. and the random spouts of trump have as much worth as any random shitpost on pol.

as for evidence, we'll have to wait to see how much is shown, it's likely you will never get the complete evidence because it involves state secrets, that's standard practice. if we get a full-on investigation with public hearings you will get quite a bit though.

>>58052150
>we need a democratic socialist leader

No we don't

>>58053890
You don't even know what the term means since Republicans have been using it since 2008 when they swapped it for nigger.

>>58053936
This, I don't understand what drives people to try and make America like every other country on earth. As if the world has homogeneous political views and fuck anyone in the minority.

>>58053936
you need a bullet in your head.

>>58053967
Leave my country.

>>58053766
>but as usual you don't actually give a fuck about freedom
Having to carry an ID to the voter booth is not a fucking infringement on freedom. You give your information to the DMV, and you even can get fucking registered at the DMV. But you don't wanna provide proof of who you are when it comes time to vote? Don't be fucking stupid, spying my ass, that's all information that is public and given to the govt anyway. Make the IDs payed with tax-payer money so they are all free, there will be no barrier except who's a lazy piece of shit and who isn't. And that barrier to voting is just fine in my book because it is self-imposed by the voter themselves.

Only three groups are angry at voter ID
>illegals
>liberals who can no longer pretend their minority pets don't have the intellectual agency to get registered and get ID so they can virtue signal how they're helping them
>actual lazy niggers

>>58053967
>tolerant leftists

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>>58053967

>>58053985
>your state has your information so you must submit to the federal government having it
good logic. proves his point, ya'll niggas just some fascists like the other niggas.

>>58054007
>implying the feds don't give a treasure trove of personal information every year with federal tax filings
fucking idiot

>>58052269
Him using money he made through donations meant for his campaign is wrong. Him using money his wife made from loan fraud is wrong.

>>58054017
>just submit
no

i never filed my taxes :^)

>>58051962

Holy shit.

>>58054007
This is public information, not something personal like medical records or anything like that that would be an invasion of privacy. How do you think the state collects taxes or delivers your mail you fucking idiot? Or is that somehow "fascist" now too? Not that that word means anything anymore.

>>58054022
Calling the IRS right now you little fuck, enjoy prison.

>>58054058
suck my dick statist

>>58049171

1. There has been no evidence presented that Russia were the hackers. It's just been the MSM saying "sources say...", it's literally nothing. This is the same MSM that said Clinton can't lose.
2. The US wasn't hacked, Hillary Clinton's illegal, private E-mail server was hacked, the government has no security over private e-mail servers, that is why they are illegal for politicians to use, they aren't secure.
3. "influence the election" - All these hacks did was release Hilary's e-mails that show her corruption and ineptitude. The absolute truth SHOULD influence the election, this is a good thing. The MSM only makes out that it's bad because their masters were the ones that lost.

The MSM has been frantically pointing fingers at strawmen and scapegoats ever since they lost "the un-loseable election" and were exposed as liars and frauds. The government is literally blaming Russia (with no evidence of guilt presented) for Hillary's crimes that in part lead to her bad PR.

Fuck these cunts.

>>58054068
You'll enjoy plenty yourself once Uncle Sam has you in one of his finest establishments, you poor bastard.

>>58054068
>cries about Russian interference in election
>but voting without identification is just fine

>>58051962
all those articles seem to be opinion pieces criticizing him for running a conventional campaign. the idea of a few groups handling massive amounts of money is worrying, but no more than you would and do see in every campaign. the sources of your "sources" do have actual facts, but they are nowhere near proof in themselves of fraud.

so basically you THINK it's fraud, because it could be. that's not proof of a fact.
if you want to bring up campaign finance and how it should be regulated that's another issue.

>>58054068
Go back to your DIY safespaces. Oh wait, "internet fascists" are successfully getting them shut down by calling the local fire depts for inspection. Tough luck, commie.

>>58054104
i never said anything about russian interference, and i don't support electronic voting. national IDs should be treason.
>>58054111
if i hate government nigga why the fuck would i be a commie?

>>58054135
>national IDs should be treason
Why?
The only thing No ID's help with is voter fraud.
Shouldn't being against voter ID's be treason?

this has nothing to do with technology anymore

Damn. Libcucks are such salty bitches that it's spilling into /g/? LMAO XD

>>58052453
>>58052445
so your argument is you have to oppress people in order to prevent them from being oppressed?

sounds like weak justification for reactionary, illogical, and all-around intelligent thinking that you project on everyone else while engaging in it.

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>>58051307
>crimes
do people believe this?

>>58054104

you might be just trolling but:

- People have a constitutional right to vote
- a lot of these people don't have drivers licenses

The issue with voter ID laws is that they usually make it impossible for people to vote, because either they do not have the required IDs, and the alternatives are nearly impossible to get (have to drive 100 miles to a place open only on wednesdays, at least a month before election)

Imagine if there were only one "voter ID" in your entire county, with nearly impossible access. You actually don't have to imagine this, because this is what happens!

There's a constitutional ammendment against poll taxes because this used to be how we prevented poor people to vote.

Offer a voter ID law that doesn't make people without drivers licenses or passports need to take 2 days off to vote, and then we'll talk.

>Russian hacker denialism
Here's the facts:
>The DNC was hacked twice
>The second time, the hackers stole a lot of the same information
>A lot of other Democrats were targeted
>The first hacking matches everything we know about The Dukes, a hacking group that the industry has suspected works for the Russian Government, and has been active in messing in elections (Mostly in Eastern Europe) for at least the last 7 years.

Got a link if you want more info on The Dukes.
https://www.f-secure.com/documents/996508/1030745/dukes_whitepaper.pdf

All in all, the level of sophistication, the scope, and the methods matching The Dukes makes it so that the most simple explination is that one of the two hacks was Russian in origin.

The only other possibility I can think of is that the CIA/FBI were in on it (It's not a coincidence that the FBI decided to announce they were looking into Clinton's emails again right before the election. She obviously has some enemies in the inteligence community)

That being said, unless the CIA/FBI did it themselves, they have no incentive to lie about this, as they obviously wanted to see Clinton lose, and got their way.

It's funny, because I figured that Clinton supporters would want to deny it was the Russians, due to the FBI already doing their best to screw Clinton with the email scandel re-investigation, and FBI/CIA being a better scapegoat... But instead they're supporting the Russia theory. Trump supporters are saying they don't think it's the Russians, but most of them are conspiritards, so that's to be expected. The FBI could say that the sky is blue, and they wouldn't believe it.

>>58049171
https://youtu.be/CNIrPLHVfdI

everyone is a libcuck that doesn't believe the same crazy things I do

>>58053992
The problem about leftists is that they try to be tolerant. They should just go to Trump and Shillary rallies with machine guns and just kill you all. Things would improve immediately.

>>58049171
Why is this shit spilling into /g/?

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>>58054203

>>58054240
>i don't care about the constitution unless my party tells me to
Why the fuck do you people live here? Fuck off already.

>>58054240
pretty much this. The Democrats are still mad we freed their slaves.

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>>58054105

>lots of smoke so big it's noticed by left and right sources, but no fire, goyim!

>>58054240
>buying into a right
holy fuck, kys. you're worse than the people who supported the NFA.

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>>58054254

>>58054271
>what is income tax
>what is property tax

>>58054135
Communism is literally about dismantling the government and the state, and running a self dependent and democratic economy. But of course believing Soviet and anti Soviet propaganda is easier than loading up Wikipedia for 5 minutes. Anarchists are commies that want to dismantle it from the outside, and Leninists from the inside.

>>58054283
things that shouldn't exist

>>58054203
>have to drive 100 miles to a place open only on wednesdays
interesting, I thought the disproportionately affected were poor urban blacks
you don't have to drive at all to get to the DMV in major cities
and I don't think the hours for polling places are that different than the DMV

really makes you think

>>58049171
Technology had little to do with it. It was social engineering. You need better education, not technology.

>>58054203
>and the alternatives are nearly impossible to get (have to drive 100 miles to a place open only on wednesdays, at least a month before election)
This is extreme hyperbole, maybe a town or two over, but 100 miles? Don't be a lazy nigger, you have to go get REGISTERED in the first place at these places. Should we not have registration either? These aren't barriers to entry unless they are paid, which can be solved with tax-payer funded IDs, very easy.

Quite frankly, we should go back to having voting being only for land owners like it used to be, so that way only people with a real stake in the country get to vote.

>>58054203
Anyone who is too stupid and/or lazy to acquire proper voting identification does not have an opinion that is worthy of being heard or represented.

>>58052565
>The current minimum wage is totally livable outside of shithole metropolitan areas

barely being able to afford a roof and food + bills while on a miserable treadmill with no hope of advancement in your situation is not livable.
one used to be able to get a job that could support a whole family, in their own home. and you didn't need college or massive debt or a silver spoon to have a good chance at getting that either. the poor can now afford shit phones and TVs or whatever but on the whole their living situation has gone down. the problem with the modern right isn't that they're wrong (about that anyways), it's that they have a bad understanding of the problem and terrible, overly simplistic solutions which are basically a massive opportunity for those already in power to control them even more.

to give people fair and equal and accessible employment, that provides an actual living wage requires massive examination and re-structuring of the way the economy works, not only nationally but globally. but no one really wants to take on such a high order, easier to blame immigrants or provide other simple answers that keep people stupid. not that dems are much better, they provide band-aids that work sometimes. the left ceased to be about intellectualism and classical liberalism a long time ago.

>>58053967
typical commie

>>58054257
if I saw smoke I would go and see if there was a fire before reaching a conclusion. how terrible of me. I'm sure your way is better.

>>58049566
The FBI and NSA (along with wikileaks themselves) are the ones telling us the CIA is making shit up.

>>58054341
>one used to be able to get a job that could support a whole family, in their own home. and you didn't need college or massive debt or a silver spoon to have a good chance at getting that either.
Get rid of the illegal spics driving down wages and stop companies from moving out of the country by stopping strangle hold regulation and all of a sudden you don't have this problem any more.

>>58054234
>lefty cucks
>owning guns

lol

>>58054329
>Quite frankly, we should go back to having voting being only for land owners like it used to be, so that way only people with a real stake in the country get to vote.
I disagree with this on account of having a fixed supply of land with an increasing demand, essentially meaning only the rich will be able to vote eventually. No different than a large poll tax.

>>58054341
>barely being able to afford a roof and food + bills while on a miserable treadmill with no hope of advancement in your situation is not livable.
Huh? That's not what minimum wage gets you. I lived in a very nice apartment and drove a decent car on minimum wage when I was 19 in a small town. The only place that 7.30/hr isn't livable is in large areas with high population density. These places can up their minimum wage independently of the rest of the country.
>one used to be able to get a job that could support a whole family
Those were never minimum wage jobs and metros weren't nearly as crowded as they are now.
>to give people fair and equal and accessible employment
Is not in the purview of the government in this country, though that didn't stop them from making it worse by subsidizing college educations.

Democrats were never about liberalism and the country as a whole hasn't cared about actual liberalism for at least a century.

>>58049171
>russian hacked the us
>not Russians hacked Hillary Clinton insecure email,and hacked her campaign,who for some reason did get the memo to secure their shit,while they were trying to false flag insecure email server had nothing important on it

>>58054329
Just leave the country, retard. There are places like that already. Don't make this place even more unfriendly to the transience it was built upon.

>>58054397
Yeah, maybe you're right about that actually. Not about the poll tax because I wouldn't care about it for having an objective baseline in having a stake in the country, but about the fixed supply of land. Too bad, because we'd be able to invalidate almost the entire urban vote with that.

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>>58054439
>Just leave the country, retard.
>but all these filthy foreigners who hate our country and only want gibs me dats can come in unchecked

>>58054203
I've never had a driver's license. I paid $5 the first time I got a state ID and $5 every couple years when it needs renewed, and all I had to do was show up with my birth certificate and an old school ID and health insurance card. You can substitute those last two out for multiple things.
There's no reason for voting to not require an ID.

>>58054372
>spics cause inflation

>ignore that America is basically a war economy
>ignore obama fuck'd the petrol barrel in usd up

>ignore that the one percent own more than all the other percent together.

you think less regulation gonna help you?

You think you gonna get your job,cause now they cannot pay some fag overseas 5 dollars a week,and are forced to deal with your unions were you get payed 15 an hour for 5 screwing 5 bolts nuts?

You are delusional, Machines will take those jobs cause fuck paying a fucker 15 usd an hour for something I can make robots do.

Face it fag China one, they got all the gold,they controlling their cash flow to prevent it from leaving the country.

What we need is war. A war to clear debts, a war to get some land under the USA'S control to invest and profit off of.

>>58049171
>corrupt democrats store corrupt emails on the cloud
>"MUH RUSSIANS INFLUENCED THE ELECTION!"

>why cant government workers, institutes, and politicians use secure technology?

It was offered to Hillary, but she couldn't use it because that would subject her entire email history to government oversight and FOIA requests.

And when you're a fucking criminal you can't have that.

>>58054494
>There's no reason for voting to not require an ID.
Why should a constitutional right require ID?

>>58051200
This anon gets it.

>>58054512
Good point, we shouldn't have ID checks for gun sales either, but here we are.

>>58053549
Aren't there bulls that need prepping, cuck?

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>>58054395
Leftists are pro gun. How do you think the Ukrainian, Spanish and now the Kurdish revolution happen? Your amerifat pinko neoliberal tumblrinas are not leftists.

>>58054512
the same reason you need it to buy alcohol you fucking retard. to verify you even have that right in the first place

>>58054528
No we just want everyone ELSE to have guns. That's why we're giving all our guns to mexico.

>>58054521
>Let's make it worse because it's already bad!
Unless you were being sarcastic, in which case, no we should not require ID to buy guns.

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>>58054512
>Why should a constitutional right require ID?

The NRA agrees.

>>58054372
no, because immigrants did not do away with those jobs, there was immigration back then and before, in many cases more immigration. the "free market" economy some worship so much and technical advancement destroyed those jobs.

>stop companies from moving out of the country by stopping strangle hold regulation
that's not going to do much without making the us into china. removing certain taxes and such to incentivize more US-based business and some jobs could help, but it will not being back massive lower-class industry, which is the only class of jobs that can employ entire large nations. those jobs always move where wages as lowest. so you can't improve people's lifestyle since you have to destroy it. even china doesn't want to be itself, they're experiencing all the problems with that system now and needless to say their people on average are not living well. even china has been getting undercut for a long time by cheaper asian countries where people are treated even worse. if you depend entirely on jobs that can disappear like that, the problem is with your economy, not the people who just want to live by getting what work they can.

>>58054538
see>>58054547

>>58054549
No, they don't. They're scum.

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>>58054528

>>58053384
t. Russian

Trump won, but he should be scrutinized for hiring Exxonshills who only have the interest of Exxon and Russia.

>>58054562
that post does not address verification at all

>>58054554
>those jobs always move where wages as lowest.
No, they move where the TCO is the lowest. Wages play part in that, but making it more expensive for companies to move out in the first place and stay moved out is the key. Removing the red tape is one way to lower the TCO.

>>58054594
It addresses the fact that it's a restriction that shouldn't exist.

>>58054620
Some people do not have certain rights, so verification is necessary.

>>58054547
kek, what a thread

>>58049291

They can't hack certain things but they will hack a lot of important things. The same is true of other nations. If real cyberwar breaks out then you'll see some shit like a countries internet pipes going down before they can launch a counterattack.

>>58053985
What about those who don't have driver's licenses?

Is owning a car now a requirement to vote? Might as well go back to land ownership

>>58054318

In states that enact these laws, the voter ID is not gotten at the DMV. Nor are many state IDs

People aren't against the concept of checking who a person is. They're against methods which make it way too hard for some people to vote

>>58055130
Obviously we need a national fucking ID card like every other civilized country. Holy shit how are we so ass backwards now?

>>58056284
We kinda have one or two of them. You can get a passport which is sorta like a national ID but no one has one. The other is a SSN which is used like an ID even though it's was never intended to be one and has no personally indefinable information attached to it except a legal name.

>>58055130
States with voter ID laws must issue IDs for free I think. The main complaint frequently cited is that the number of DMV locations might be too small for some areas meaning excessively long wait times(sometimes several hours). If you're poor and have a busy work schedule you might miss the opportunity to get an ID. To get one means you might have to use a vacation day(not everyone gets them). If you simply put it off for later which a lot of people apparently do then you might forget about it and only be reminded when you do something that requires an ID like voting.