>America >Some of the slowest internet in any developed

Cool thread

But there totally are competitors! You can choose to overpay for cable or overpay for DSL!

this is the result of monopolies

>>57991268
:/ thanks


>>57991376
The speeds are shit though, and not worth the money. Can google fiber even hit all areas? I live in a tech center in Colorado, why is the internet so fucking slow?

Also, what do you guys think about internet ads targeting people, is everyone affected by this or social media followers?

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>>57991401
At least it's better than no internet.

bcus muh illusion of freedom

>>57991259
monopolies that shut down any other businesses

>>57991259
But capitalism is the best system r-r-right guys?

Just guessing, but does the size and distance between population centers mean more infrastructure and inherently lower speeds? Transmitting information from New York to LA would take longer and involve more cabling than between 2 servers in Worst Korea.

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>>57991259
>Canada
>even worse internet for a higher price
>barely any competition even in big cities
>data caps are the norm

>>57991388

donald's gonna fix this you just wait

>>57991701
electricity moves at the speed of light you retard

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>Australian internet.

>>57991701
No, it's because of lower population density outside of cities. In cities, it's a pain in the ass to upgrade shit. Also the companies are lazy and corrupt and use both of those as excuses to not upgrade a goddamn thing.

>>57991388
This is actually the result of meddling by the government.

>>57991796
haha wow you've really drank the kool-aid haven't you

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Yuros are the ones with shit speeds actually.

And Yuros get BTFO when compared to states with similar populations.

>>57991796
Negative. Cooperations are the enemy of the people.

>>57991815
>average speed
>it's calculated as the mean instead of the median

>>57991259
We'll I'm sure if we lived on top of each other in urban hell holes like in the EU we could have fiber everywhere. Don't know if you've looked at a map recently but America is pretty big.

Australia has the same struggle to an even worse degree. Not many ISPs want to run 200 miles of fiber to hook up a population of 15,000 so 100 nerds that live there can torrent hentai faster.

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>>57991259
That's nice. I don't even use the internet anymore except to browse shithole image boards like this and pirate music. Sometimes I'll also visit Wikipedia or do a Cuck Cuck Go search for something I need info on. The internet is 99% cancer now and a good 80% of that requires heavy JS that totally ruins your browsing experience. I use Lynx which is a text browser to view most stuff on my Librebooted T400. New web is mostly crap.

>>57991401
I don't see any ads at all. I also Google my full name to see what comes up. As far as Google is concerned, I don't exist.

>>57991908
>I don't see any ads at all. I also Google my full name to see what comes up. As far as Google is concerned, I don't exist.

Shit, I work in the IT field and doing just a first name search brings up my internet profile....

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>pay reasonable price
>get reasonable internet speeds
:^)

>>57991801
haha wow you really believe in the government
>>57991829
Corporations may try to fuck the consumer but with the help of government they can do it with impunity.

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>>57992372
In the USA this really isnt a thing. Im LUCKY to have this with no data cap for $75/mo.

>>57992442
I think this is £15-20ish/month, but I got a discount as I caught them trying to fuck me over surcharging me for a free callout

>>57992442
For 75/mo including equipment I have 150/150 internet in America with no quota.

local ISP came through and rolled out fiber.

gigabit up & down, $100/mo.

Time warner is sending people door to door begging for them to come back.

CAPITALISM IS GREAT!

>>57992501
Nice. Traffic quota?

>expecting Bumfuckistan, Fly-over State (Pop. 17,923) to have good internet

Metropolitan cities in the US have internet speed comparable to most cities in Western Europe and Asia. You can't expect the same in some spread out suburban environment with houses and huge distances between them.

>>57992501
What city do you live in?

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>>57991739

Vancouver here. Normally its 170 but I am netflixing and downloading.

>>57992509
nope.

>>57992524
Central-ish NC.

>>57991259
in a lot of places the local cable company or telecom giant pays off city councils and state legislatures to grant them monopolies.

>>57991689
It is, if you let it work. As in, if you allow competition to happen, instead of getting fucked over by elected officials taking bribes.

>>57992553
>Central-ish NC.
Not worth it.

>>57992567
>not worth it
lol, i'd agree, but i'm too busy scraping shit off the web.

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>>57992442
Depends on where you are at in America really, some places have good some bad.

I had 1Gbps fiber in my Manhattan apartment for $50/month. I had 2Mbps (When it was working...) internet in a small town outside of Roubaix, France.

It's really dependent on the industry and demand in your local area and not the country.

Are you retarded?
The internet in the states is flying compared to Australia.

>>57991259
yeah there needs to be some legal work done to combat the regional monopolies but the old farts in congress don't know how the internet works so we're at the situation we're at

>>57991259
Basically it works like this:
>America invents internet in 1960's
>First lines start connecting universities and government agencies up through to the 80's
>90's Internet boom; nation-wide infrastructure is built
>Next two decades, new lines and connections are built on top of existing ones, because it's cheaper than replace outright
>It's almost 2017 now and out network is built on tech that's at times over 30 years old
>Third-world countries like Romania, which were late to the game, have the newest servers and data lines, allowing for super-fast internet at dirt prices.

>>57992407
Gov didn't do anything, that's the problem

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>>57991259
My city is frustrating as fuck.

these are my only two options.

on top of this my city has refused to allow fiber optics in for basically no reason.

>>57992884
>Roubaix
Isn't that literally the datacenter city in France?

>>57991259

Trump is about to fix that. America will have the most bigly yuuuuge Internets pipes by 2018. Magic free market business bigly brain huge thinking will pay for it all. Infrastructure. Investment. Ba'daa boom. Done.

>>57995388

Now, explain 10 gigabit free wireless throughout Sweden, and 100 gigabit infrastructure in Japan.

>>57991796
Which creates monopolies by establishing barriers to entry in addition to the ones that are already there

>>57991829
Oh what and the government is your friend?

>>57991689
Fuck off commie.

>>57992558
Why does competition happen in muh-socialist-gibmedat commie europe? why do they have fast as fuck internet?

because free market is trash and it just doesn't work

>America
>developed country

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>>57995892
1. Ericsson made fiber optics 70-90s
2. We had a state monopoly until 1992 - Televerket

Since Ericsson was the pride of Sweden, the state gave them orders for fiber optic infrastructure to fill their pockets. We even had so much fiber that they started laying it down outside of Sweden, when the monopoly was removed three companies was created; Telia (ISP), Skanova (Fiber owner) and Telia International Carrier. Telia is the largest owner of fiber in the world, owning most of the transatlantic cables and backbones in Europe - all thanks to Sweden trying to make Ericsson look good.

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>>57996048

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>>57991259
also
THEY HAVE DATA CAPS

>>57991796
without government meddling you'd pay 300$ for 1mbit

>>57991259
America is fucking huge.

We've got a metric fuckton of flyover, and our coastal and metro areas mostly have fantastic internet.

>>57995929
In the US the government is run by corporations.

>>57996091
see
>>57996079

>>57995388
Bullshit, top lying to make it seem better, I actually work in telecommunications, in Denver.
It's the monopoly, our lines are great.

>200 people living in my area
>1h drive to nearest grocery shop
>1gbit internet

t-thanks

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>>57991259
The companies competing for the internet are the reason for lag, if there was teamwork in routing the connections the connections would work better, but sadly humans are disconnected from each other while machines arent.

>>57996121
Must fucking suck.

>live in fucking nowhere
>nice quiet nature, peaceful, huge two story house, no rent or mortgage, just power and water (no hurricanes or earthquakes also)
>nearest shop is 15min walk away
>nearest market is 10min drive away
>no niggres, jews or muslims anywhere, we don't take refugees also
>pay 21€ for 180/60MB/s internet

Thanks, I love my life.

>>57995396
You don't know shit.

>>57991259
>not Australia
American cuckship allows for monopolies to abuse people.

>>57995948
>Fast as fuck internet
>Germany: 2GB of 5 mbps fast internet= €15
>Austria: 1GB of 5 mbps fast internet= €13
>Hungary: You don't get past 6 mbps in the countryside
>European countries with fast internet: France, Finland, Romania, Denmark
>All of these have a free market economy
Great memes you have there

>>57992501
*Corporatism

>>57996921
estfag here, 18€ for uncapped 20MB/s down internet, countryside

>>57996980
This is one of the reasons why I want to go to Estonia and Finland: Fast as fuck internet, comfy winters

>>57996080
Wrong.
>>57996103
Like 1 company that isn't a mobile ISP has traffic quotas.

>>57996980
No, you have 20Mbps down.

>>57997024
>Like 1 company that isn't a mobile ISP has traffic quotas.
>muricans literary bitching every day about their 250GB caps, lying to themselves that who needs more

>>57991741
>muh no regulation
>implying American internet will get better
If anything, less smaller companies will be able to get in cause of aggressive marketing from big companies. I really don't understand why they think less regulation means it's better for Mom and Pop stores.

>>57991767
>electricity moves at the speed of light you retard
Go ask your grade 4 science teacher what electrons are. You realise this is a over 18 website, right anon??

>>57995948
Assuming you are correct, which you're not (see >>57996921)

The United States has much more land than Europe. Texas in itself is larger than Germany. Thus when data centers are in one corner of the continent, it's easier for data to pass through, focusing on less total infrastructure and more on the quality of infrastructure

>>57991908
>I also Google my full name to see what comes up. As far as Google is concerned, I don't exist.

H-how do you remove yourself if your name comes up on search engines??

>>57997033
Nope, 160Mbps aka 20MB/s.

Be jelly faggot.

>>57997035
Uh, no. Doesn't happen. Comcast is the largest ISP that has traffic quotas and they're like 1TB.

>>57997054
RETARD ALERT

>>57997054
Electrons are slow, electric current is fast. Go ask your 4th grade science teacher to slap your bitch ass, Eurofaggot.

>>57997054
>The word electricity refers generally to the movement of electrons (or other charge carriers) through a conductor in the presence of potential and an electric field. The speed of this flow has multiple meanings. In everyday electrical and electronic devices, the signals or energy travel as electromagnetic waves typically on the order of 50%–99% of the speed of light, while the electrons themselves move (drift) much more slowly.
Speed difference is negligible, it might as well be instantaneous over small distances, a few seconds between either side if the Earth.

>>57997071
KEK, 1TB caps? What is this, 2008?
My monthly average is 8TB
Sure must suck to be cucked so hard

>>57992558
>As in, if you allow competition to happen
Capitalism is naturally anti-competition because the biggest companies just swallow each other up

>>57997033
kek, must be hard to comprehend for cucked tards

>>57996921
Germany here, I pay 30€/mo for 150/10 Mbps uncapped

>>57991259
Australia is worse.

>$90/m
>alds2+ 9Mb .8Mb
>500GB cap
>no NBN because the company the goverment idiotaclly gave the money for the infrastructure just pocketed it

>>57997090
Yea sure must suck for the small footprint of Comcast's network that has quotas or the people who only have Comcast. Most people aren't in that situation, though.
>>57997110
It's not hard to comprehend, people just often don't know what the fuck they are talking about. 160mbit internet isn't impressive.

>>57991815
>Yuros are the ones with shit speeds actually.

Oslo, NO here. I have 80/80 Mbps fiber.

>>57997156
Trash, I have 500/500 fiber.

>>57991486
Is that even legal?
I am certain that they flog you for that in Singapore.

>>57995497
You have hamlets in the bum-tiddly-dumfuck of nowhere with better internet than that?

Why don't you invite your friends over for a tea party? Worked last time.

ITT:
>have 1Gbps up and down
>all I do is shitpost

>>57991815
>living in the countryside in US
>cucked internet
>living in the countryside in EU
>perfect cheap uncaped internet

sure must suck that they force you to live in a flat in the city, can you even have a party at 3AM and turn on your hi-fi vol without getting arrested? hows enjoying the summer sun and peace and quiet with your shitty chinkpad in your garden? oh wait, you don't have a garden

>>57997309
What the hell are you saying?

When are Europeans going to be banned from 4chan?

>>57991259
*Australia

>>57997320
Sounds drunk

>>57997320
Kek, why so butthurt suddenly?

He explicitly said well populated areas in US are as well off as EU countries.

>>57991768
This is my daily struggle, mine's worse though :(
>>57991863
This, it makes sense how wide of an area the country is and how spacious the population is. But when you announce to your country you're going to invest $50bn into making it happen, make it shitter, fall way behind on schedule, doesn't even work in half the places AND THEN go another $20bn over budget - beyond ridiculous
>>57993282
>>57997330
Exactly, this cunt has nothing to complain about
>>57997113
>$130/m (phone line included though)
>not even adsl2/2+, we get ADSL1 with ''''turbo boost''''
>300GB cap
>nbn '''''build commenced''''' in my area but I haven't seen one person working on infrastructure for two months at least, and our city/suburb just got funding cuts as well which will probably slow shit down

Is it just because the EU's countries are all comparatively smaller in area making infrastructure easier to run, or did they just do something inherently better? I just want to be able to use the internet to a decent degree when someone else is watching YouTube/Netflix, fuck me sideways cunt

>>57991259
Did you just watch the Adam ruins everthing episode to learn this?

>>57991863
>Not many ISPs want to run 200 miles of fiber to hook up a population of 15,000 so 100 nerds that live there can torrent hentai faster.

I got fiber from 60km away because I told them I'm interested, now this shithole of 200 people has fiber as an option, with me and one other person using it. Still only pay 30€ for it monthly.

At least our ISP is nice and does not want to cuck it's people.

>>57996069
>>57996048
RADERA DEN

>>57991259
Probably not going to get any better under Trump either. Actually he might even make it worse.

>>57997605
That faggot is so annoying.

>>57997151
>160mbit internet isn't impressive.
At least I can enjoy it in the countryside and even pirate shit without VPN because my ISP is not a spying faggot.

>>57996921
40€ for 300/300Mb reporting in, get cucked amerifats

>>57997915
>ugh, truth hurts
typical 'murifag

>>57997932
No, he just presents everything in such an oversimplified manner that he ends up being basically wrong and then he looks like a smug faggot doing it.

>>57991259
You want the honest truth?

This entire cluster fuck of infrastructure was self induced. Local municipalities here in the states should have been (and in some cases did) create a fiber backbone. The only problem was they didn't have the funds to light it up and become an ISP. So they signed non compete clauses to get comcrap and medicom to come in and lay coax everwhere so people could get "fast" internet. The big boys can actually sue cities for breech of contract of they light the fiber up so we all have to wait until the contact expires which, will not happen for quite some time as the media giants just keep pumping money into the local campagins. It's a fucking joke and Internet connectivity needs to be a public service.

>>57992558
This fucker knows what's up!

>>57997918
Not him, but my ISP hasn't cucked me ever while pirating without a VPN.

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>be amerishot
>suck a cock

>>57991739
you realise canadian dollars are worth less than american dollars?

>>57997918
Same.