Introducing AMD Ryzen

>>57986643
If it really does cost 500 grand then it's goodbye 6800k for me.

>>57986685
>>57986705
>>57986723
botnet

>>57986743
>>57986723
>>57986705
>>57986685
Sauce?

Jenny is so hot...
>>57986666
It's AMD, it's not going to be anymore expensive than Intel

>>57986811
Can I have a sauce?

I really hope AMD succeeds. Monopoly is never good for the consumer. The people who unironically wish for AMD to loose are just intel shills or stupid goys who want to get fucked in the ass.

>>57986775
>>57986829
http://hothardware.com/news/amd-to-attack-performance-desktop-market-with-ryzen-more-zen-architecture-details-revealed

>>57986685
How does this shit compete with broadwell-e when it doesn't even have quad channel ram?

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>>57986643

>>57986850
>implying

>>57986907
What were they testing n this?

>>57986940
They were doing some renders

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AMD.. Please...

>>57986981
what

>>57986940
Handbrake

i don't personally buy AMD products, but I hope to god that this shit does well. intel and nvidia need competition before they start severely price gouging more than they already do.

>>57986964
looks like video encoding.

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>>57987012
Please!

>>57987019
kek

>>57986643
>RYZEN
what a terrible name for my future processor.

>95W TDP
>5
>W
>
>T
>D
>P

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>tfw bought amd stock @ 2.30
feels good man

I was on stream, and renders was looking good.
As anon said, monopoly is never good, becouse you can sell some shit for shit load of money, evryone need rival, for the sake of technology inprovment and racional prices.

>>57987059
>not 1.60

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>>57987059
I like being teased, can't wait for Vega too!

>AMD announces something that sounds incredible
>they delay the launch of it for months
>when it does launch is mediocre at best and barely beats their competition at mid range bang for buck
>people who bought it defend it to death for 6 months until finally admitting they might have made a mistake
Every single time, and you fucks fall for it every single time.
This is like watching a battered wife defending their husband at this point

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>>57987113
Sometimes you just gotta dance, turn on Good Morning America, don't watch any re-runs, get it live. Pour a cup of orange juice and move a bit

>>57987059
Im in at 7$
Still happy enough

All this shit sounds like a meme

"Neural networks in your CPU reading your application's source code to determine what data they will access"

DON'T BE A PUSSY, THIS GUY SEEMS LEGIT

>>57987056
The tdp of an i5-6600k is 91W, so what exactly is your point?

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>>57987113
>X was bad so Y must be too

This meme needs to die

>>57987157
the TDP of the i7-6900K is 140W

>>57987157

And it shit all over the i5. Wiped its ass with it.

>>57987186
>>57987207
Oh, I thought you were mocking AMD. Now I get your point.

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>>57986705

Awww shieeet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DQsG3TKQ0I

>>57987175
>X company tricked me once, but that doesn't mean X company will trick me again
Fucking battered wife syndrome.
I'll wait for actual benchmarks and buy whatever is actually better once it actually launches

>>57987056
Sounds too good to be true, watch as this shit throttles itself or some similar scam

>>57986907
What was the intel processor

>>57987355
supposedly the 6900K

Can't wait for AMD to actually release the price for this and we find out it costs $50 less than the 6900k.
And then Intel releases their new processor for $20 more than the AMD and 5% faster.
And then we all realized that it doesn't fucking matter which brand you fucking buy because you're getting fucked either way.

>>57987248
>Fucking battered wife syndrome.

You're the fucking faggot projecting shit here without any evidence, kill yourself.

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>>57987086
Amada needs to go, Reisin is in

>>57987037
It was from /aco/ drawthreads right?

>>57987366
The 6900k isn't even that impressive.
When using multicores the 6900k have always sucked. The only thing it had going for it was all those 8 cores being ideal for streaming and creating video content. Now with RYZEN that is not actually the case anymore.

>>57987479
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulldozer_(microarchitecture)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piledriver_(microarchitecture)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steamroller_(microarchitecture)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excavator_(microarchitecture)
Or as I like to call them, the AMD shit shoveling series

This shat all over the 6700k, even over clocked. Matched the 6900k with less than 2/3 the power consumption.

Can't wait for Intel to finally get some competition and stop jewing customers

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>>57987525
/co/'s

So its gud or bad?
Or look gud but probably bad

>>57987261
I think the lies/omissions are probably:
> Ryzen only has 2 memory controller channels instead of the 4 in Broadwell-E
> Ryzen probably has all the AES-128 memory channel encryptors, interconnects, ethernet controllers, etc. disabled that are enterprise-only
> Ryzen may not use integrated VRMs unlike Broadwell

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>>57987557
It's designed by certified™ shitwrecker.

>>57987549
>This shat all over the 6700k, even over clocked.
Where are you getting your info? Do you have access to their latest processor?
Why aren't you doing benchmarks and posting them here?

>>57986907
That's it, going to buy AMD for my transcoding needs

if the Broadwell IPC thing is true I could probably get the 6 core 65w version and overclock it into an Intel shitwrecker

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>that whole announcement
>.09% after hours
It's almost like investors aren't buying this shit either

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>Neural net prediction
>Smart prefetch
>Precision boost
I lvoe marketing memes, i really do.

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>>57987541
>I don't have any clue what I'm talking about so I'm just going to assume things.

Get the fuck out of /g/, you tech illiterate faggot.

>>57986643
sauce for image, reverse search did nothing

>>57987700
I don't even know what you're talking about anymore.
Why can't you wait for actual reviews and actual benchmarks instead of falling for marketing memes every single time. That's all I want to know.
You're defending a product without a release date or price that supposedly can beat it's current competition. Don't you see the problem with this?

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RIZEN

>>57987663
we'll just break some pins on the CPU to disable those gimmicks

>>57987785
*botnets

>>57986643
Give me the Tl:Dr on this

Thanks

>>57987743
>You're defending a product

I'm not defending anything, you're the faggot who started projecting with the "HURR DURR BULLDOZER WAS BAD SO THIS MUST BE ALSO BAD LOL AMDRONES BELIEVING" like a fucking retard.

Kill yourself.

>>57986907
dam bitch, slow down

>>57987559
potentially, yes, but what matters is the performance, I personally dont need 4 channel memory, would be nice, but not needed, if that's a sacrifice to get 8 cores to sub 500$ i'm all for it.

>>57987808
You seem to be way more emotionally invested in this than me. This is not about Bulldozer being shit therefore everything else being shit, it's about people falling for AMD marketing tricks and then believing AMD marketing tricks again.
And AMD does seem to have this thing where they always announce a future product that will crush their competition and be cheaper and always fall short

>>57987797
INTEL KEKS ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>57987797
Look at the slidehsow in the start of the thread

>>57987412
I have a good feeling there is a reason they matched it up against a 6700k at 4.5ghz.

>>57986643
>machine learning feature for "optimized performance"
>aka, "we want the CPU to store data even more, and better so that we can send it to the NSA"

neat

>SenseMI

is this how skynet begins?

>>57987887
I hope so, I have a 2.5y CPU and I want to change it but I don't believe in marketing bullshit.

>>57987634
after hours, if you watch stocks enough, dont rapidly change that much like they do during, news will disseminate soon and tomorrow will be a tell.

remember right now, till yesterday brokers were telling everyone sell because they have it at a target of 7.5 or somewhere there around.

>>57987887
the test with the 6700k was dubious anyway.
it was just MOBA livestreaming with a software h.264 encoder, which seems like a really fucking niche deal.

if somebody REALLY cares about encoder performance/quality, they'll have a separate box doing it, otherwise ShadowPlay/ReLive is good enough.

>>57987913
I think its still to limited for that anon, perhaps on the third or second gen we may start to have to fear this default, non specialized modo.

But imagine if this kind of thing could get hacked by outside forces

>distributed machine learning/neural net

spooky aint it?

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>>57986643
about fucking time

>>57987955
All their tests were sketchy as fuck. This is what worries me, if they had a true winner I see of no reason why they wouldn't have presented several benchmarks crushing intel.
I will even buy the meme about them not releasing the price so that intel can't price their new product accordingly but why withhold proof of your product being better?

>>57987852
>AMD does seem to have this thing where they always announce a future product that will crush their competition and be cheaper

Wow, so like every other company on the planet?

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I need more Amada pictures

So
Fuck intel fuck amd fuck nvidia and just fuck everything

>>57988003
>removing the rest of the quote

Price drop om FX when?

>>57988026
As far as marketing is concerned yes.
Always wait for actual benchmarks for products that are actually available for purchase.

>>57987918
I mean, look at it this way, they said all their base models will be 3.4ghz, they disabled boost, so right there is what we currently think the only advantage of the 500$ one would be kneecapped, so every cpu was performing at what we assume is the 350$ price point.

Here is my conjecture on that

They were just showing what the bare minimum was for the cpu. meaning their lowest price model. if the leaks are true, this is a 350$ price point with a 500$ price point also coming.
Those boost clocks are likely going to be better in the than the base cpu.
But why use an i7? why not an i5 or i3? if the goal was just to show we better choice?
I believe its because they are competing with the i7 at base price.

>>57987955
Possibly, but if they are showing off cpu alone, because lets face it, they are showing this to gamers, why use intel's quick sync? this wasn't gpu day.

and that's assuming they did turn that off, for me, I'm far more interested in the comparison to the 6900 because I have use for that power and because its a hobbyist use, I am running it on a personal machine that does more then just the workload I want to dump on it.

>>57988007
F A N G
A
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>>57987852
>You seem to be way more emotionally invested in this than me.

Yes, because pseudointellectual Fedora-tippers like you are nothing better than all these other effortless shitposters. At least you've got me.

>And AMD does seem to have this thing where they always announce a >future product that will crush their competition and be cheaper and >always fall short

Well yes, but this time there have been several indications of Zen not being another Bulldozer with Jim Keller as lead designer and entries on GCC showing a lot of similarities to Intel's Haswell, including abandoning CMT for SMT.

These Blender and Handbrake benches, taking them for what they are, also indicate at least having some remotely competitive designs. Unless they want to deceive investors and risk lawsuits. Anything Bulldozer (on the Desktop, at least) wouldn't even be anywhere near that 6900k. The 8350 couldn't even beat a 6700k in both of these.

This doesn't mean that Zen is going to be the savior, but it will get them into the right direction.

These baseless contrarian memes have to stop. /g/'s hardware is literally reaching /v/-tier now. At least bring something substantial on the table.

>>57988031
Rest of the quote wasn't relevant. Promising cheaper, better performing products is like marketing 101, and acting like that's something that's even remotely unique to AMD is retarded.

>>57988067
>they disabled boost
that's the thing, I don't believe a single thing they said
There is nothing that AMD can say that will hype me for this. When it's out, if it's cheaper and better I will buy it. If it's not I'll buy whatever is.

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>>57988007

>>57987479
Sorry to say this but >>57987248 is right, most retards here are going nuclear only with a fucking powerpoint and we haven't seen shit and this is not the first time this happens. To clarify AMD is not the only company that has done that, it's better to wait and see if it actually is what they say it is.
They will lie and make up numbers out of their ass because the whole company is riding on this shit.
For me I'm glad you all get super excited, I'm already making double for the shit stock I got from AMD and only took me 2 months to do so.
Right now looks too good to be true and I would do well selling everything I got to make a nice profit but I'm intrigued if they actually can pull it off this time.

What's the price realistically?

>>57988106
I don't see Intel doing the same empty promises. In fact Intel is fucking boring because they make a presentation to explain they are releasing something that is 5% more efficient than last year and have been doing that for the last six generations.

>>57988106
No, it isn't. The rest of the quote is the most important part.

>>57988088
>pseudointellectual Fedora-tippers like you are nothing better than all these other effortless shitposters
I'm just skeptical of marketing practices.

>These Blender and Handbrake benches, taking them for what they are, also indicate at least having some remotely competitive designs.
If they do have a winner in their hands why are they only doing these fucking sketchy tests? Why not do proper benches and prove their product is better?

>These baseless contrarian memes have to stop. /g/'s hardware is literally reaching /v/-tier now.
see the first part of my reply, I'm not contrarian I just don't believe marketing shit.

>>57988120
if they didn't, that opens them up to massive lawsuits.

I hope we all know intel has sat on their dick for years squeezing out incremental updates and lower tdp.

Then amd had the guy back for this cpu that literally everything the mother fucker works in is gold.

I have no doubt that amd is more than capable compete when your competitor decided to roll a joint, smoke it, and sleep it off. If anything, this lights a fire under intel's ass.

>>57988178
$800

>>57988178
intel price / 2 :^^)

>>57988201
what would a proper benchmark be then? as blender is on intel's recommended benchmark list.

>>57988178
$1099.99

>>57988221
>if they didn't, that opens them up to massive lawsuits
No it doesn't. This product is not out, they haven't presented any actual benchmarks that are reproducible.
All we have is Ryzen a 3.4 that beats the 6900k at rendering a specific thing by 5s and doesn't stutter while running software encoding and a moba at 4k.

>>57988247
A reproducible test that anybody with a 6900k could run would be nice.

>>57987587
who is this man?

>>57988223
>>57988227
didn't think they'd price them out or anything. kinda odd that they'd drop their budget model.

Is Ryzen gonna be in modules like the FX series? 4 core, 6 core, 8 cores?

>>57988088
>These Blender and Handbrake benches
so they went with that as actual proof that the new design isn't shit. Doing that is the equivalent of talking about making a car and only showing an engine revving on stage and nothing more, no chasis, no wheels, no interior. But hey, we are making a car, you know it can do this thing!
Fuck companies that pull that shit, fuck zealots that defend innane crap like that and fuck you for being so ready to suck cock after watching 4 slides on a stage with some numbers.
If you had anything resembling a brain you would just shut the fuck up and wait for soemthing to be actually released.
And I do hope AMD gets their shit together this time, we need a viable option to Intel and if this time they can't pull it off, they need to die.

>>57988178
there is a reason they specifically showed it against a 6700k I believe, otherwise they would have used an i3 or i5

>>57988277
they released/are releasing both screens, so if you got a 6900 go for it.

>>57987155
Google "neural net branch predictor" and read the white papers, kid.

>not a single benchmark throughout the entire presentation
Confirmed for being slower than skylake.
AMD just can't get anything right.

>>57988287
so... showing 2 benches is not showing any benches at all?

>>57988247
>>57988277
But expanding on my answer they could run all the usual synthetic benchmarks that everybody does. That would be a start.

>>57988299
where?

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>Nobody has any engineering samples yet
>0 independent benchmarks

The wait continues, I mean when investors don't even buy into AMD's spiel you know there's nothing to be excited about.

When I see a bunch of benches from around the place then I'll give half a fuck about "Ryzen"

>>57988284
There will be 4, 6, and 8 core variants

>>57988312
Not when you go out of your way to make sure your tests don't fit any actual real world scenario.
>>57988334
You better be careful with making sense like that, someone will call you a shill

>>57988307
The new intel shit is slower than skylake, too.

>>57988287
>so they went with that as actual proof that the new design isn't shit.

I don't even know what you want? Yes, they could've shown more, but for now, we have to take the information they have provided us, and that one shows us at least a direction. Take it or leave it.

>fuck you for being so ready to suck cock

Yes, I suck cock for analyzing facts instead of just doing the usual /g/ fanboy-shilling. Maybe you should acquire some brain cells yourself before blabbering about them. Kill yourself.

>>57988334
>being a clueless dumbfuck
>spreading FUD

AMD sent out OEM samples some time ago. Final silicon. Engineering samples were surfacing half a fucking year ago.

>>57988322
in a synthetic bench, intel is going to win, hands down, and it would be fucking embarrassing if amd won.

Amd made zen to handle as they said 80% of the workloads just as well as intel, the synthetics will show the best possible, while real world will show you what really happens.

Its kind of like ssds, where up to around 400mb read, you see real world benefits, but then past that you only see them do better in synthetics, with all real world coming out to be exactly the same.

you will see intel win in high fpu workloads every time. but if you never use those workloads what is the real difference?

>>57988350
so rendering a 3d scene, or encoding video are not real world... ok then.

>>57988359
>shilling for AMD
>at least I'm not shilling
pottery

>>57988341
how much do you think realistically for each?

>>57988389
>Dismantling anti-X shitposts
>Y...you're shilling for X!

Cancer like you is one of the reasons competent people leave this board.

>>57988382
>software encoding 4k h264 while playing a moba
No, it really fucking isn't.
>rendering a specific 3d scene that nobody else can reproduce
yep, again nothing

>>57988312
you seem to lack reading comprehension. There has to be something better to bench than converting a video on Handbrake. Still I get that they go for the "real usage" factor. I do hope it performs like that on a lot of other stuff, I do want for once that they make something good and not the shit tier fuck ups they have been churning.

>>57988359
nice, talking about brains when all you can do is taking everything they say as holy word and as soon someone isn't sucking cock by your side you tell people to get brain cells. Do you see the irony there? I guess is hard to see anything with those sweaty balls on your face.

>>57988382
>Amd made zen to handle as they said 80% of the workloads just as well as intel, the synthetics will show the best possible, while real world will show you what really happens.

as much as I can agree with you there, there has to be something from actual real world that you can notice a difference or improvement.

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>>57986643

>>57987355
>>57987366
>>57987538
It looks the be 5930k if you look at the right in the task manager

Jim Keller knew it's gonna be slower than Kaby Lake so he jumped ship to avoid the upcoming embarrassment.

>>57988427
>dismantling
You're working with "stats" that AMD marketing gave you calling out anybody that dares be skeptical of them suddenly pulling a winner out of their asses with a fraction of intel R&D
I sure fucking hope you're being paid for this

>>57986940
8 core zen vs 6700k

5 seconds faster, 90 tdp vs 140 tdp, 3.2ghz vs 3.7ghz

rumors that zen overclocks to 4.2ghz on air cooling

>>57987634
>>57987694
Market's not too excited about the reveal. in fact, it's disappointing that the best AMD could showcase was parity with Intel, which will not be enough to regain a foothold in key markets such as the enterprise market. Intel knows that they could stem potential losses to AMD by reducing the prices of their CPUs in the short term or adding financial incentives to keep their relationships going. The largest consumers in this market are not expected to drop everything and switch to AMD overnight, nor in the future as adopting a completely different set of hardware is expensive and time consuming, not to mention hazardous due to the initial lack of support for the hardware.
It will be a slow transition at best, and AMD simply has not shown enough to the investors that they will be able to accelerate or sustain this growth. There is nothing here that makes the market trust AMD's ability to meet their growth projection. We were duped by Radeon this year and won't fall for the same trick in the next.

>>57988404
No idea honestly

Obviously it will have to be cheaper than intel

>>57988443
Nobody was expecting zen until Q3 2016 the earliest you retard.

>>57986907
its all over Intel bankrupt and finished

>>57988440
>nice, talking about brains when all you can do is taking >everything they say as holy word

Except I never did that, you projecting faggot.

All I did is dismantling gloom-and-doom shitposts with current evidence and what it likely implies. Nothing is final - I've never said that - but at least we have some information to analyze.

The fact that you label me as a fanboy for this already reveals your own bias.

I know that (underage) newfriends like you might not remember this, but people used to actually discuss technology here.

>>57986643
source PLEASE

>>57988482
And now it's Q4 and nothing. And this one supposedly will be released Q1 2017.
How much do you want to bet they delay it?

>>57988500
>current evidence
There isn't any. There is a market presentation with sketchy tests that prove nothing.
You are taking them at their word, and insulting anybody that dares to disagree.

Infinity Fabric™ is honestly my favorite term to come out of this. Sounds like something to come straight from Sony's marketing department

>>57988440
>as much as I can agree with you there, there has to be something from actual real world that you can notice a difference or improvement.

They just showed it in 2 ways, people use gpus and other hardware to accelerate encoding sure, but its still demanding and can be done on a cpu

when intel recommends blender to bench with, its valid to use blender as your bench.

I'm honestly drawing a blank on what else they can show to show off the cpu because so much is also hardware accelerated without also turning that hardware acceleration off.

I know with the pentium 4, they showed off 5~ videos playing at once as their benchmark, I'm trying to think of one for amd, and personally, I have web browser open, winrar, a video, image editor, image viewer, image archiver, along with a fuck ton of background apps, my real world use would be handling that load while doing something else, so if I encode a video, or play a video game, my cpu isn't shitting itself while all that is going on.

can you think of a real world benchmark that would show it off, in numbers, the advantage amd could have? or would any real world use for it boil down to how the computer feels when you hit it hard?

>>57986652
>poo splash in the background
You just can't make this shit up.

>>57988505
Very unlikely if they have working retail models now. All they need to do now is just make them at the fab plants and CC them before selling them to retailers.

Anyway I'm pretty excited for zen, I've been using an i5 2500K, would be nice to get that 8-core ZEN for around $500.

And the cycle restarts.

Now that amd have finally stopped being utter shite it will kick intelvidia back into action and they'll undercut amd once again. This Amd hype won't last very long once the intelvidia billions have had their say.

Competition is good and I'm glad amd are doing this obviously but ultimately they're just making me excited for what Intel and nvidia have in response which is what I'll be buying.

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>Tfw bought a 6700k two months ago

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>fat nigresses as AMD's red team
Meanwhile in Japan

>>57988538
Don't bother, they want SuperPi and Cinnebench otherwise it's not valid.

>>57988560
This is part of the reason why large investors are now dumping their shares of AMD stocks.

>>57988549
I hope it's good because I want to change my CPU but there is just no way in hell I'm trusting amd just to get burned again.

But will zen bring a new generation of budget APU's?

A new apu to replace the popular Athlon 5350?

I want a 3ghz quad core, under 45w, that costs under 50$ and has mini itx mobo options that also cost under 50$

If AMD can bring me that, ill also buy into their Radeon ram modules that cost 10$ more per stick than regular ram because theyre slightly faster

>>57986685
>PGA still
haha

>>57988604
>to replace the popular Athlon 5350
You mean the FAILED Athlon 5350 and AM1 socket

>>57988466
>>57988530

That's not how it works. Yes, these stats are provided by AMD, but they will literally open themselves for lawsuits if they deceive investors like that. You can't just claim anything and then pretend "it is just marketing bro". Corporations plan purchases in advance, imagine AMD pulling a ruse on this.

Obviously, we have only seen a few, very specific applications so far, but it is clear that Zen is going to succeed there, which allows for some interpretation of other metrics. Look how Bulldozer fares in Handbrake, for example. I mentioned that one already.

The rest is still open, but I never claimed anything else. That is your biased projection, as you seem to immediately assume positions.

Now fuck off back to >>>/v/ or whatever underage board you came from.

>>57988538
neither of their tests can be reproduced.

>>57988574
I've been waiting half a year to see what AMD's vega and zen would look like before going all-in on a new computer

wanted to buy in at ~$6 stock price too, but couldn't be assed to figure out how to buy stocks

Everyone told me I was retarded for wanting to invest in AMD but I'd have made a 30% return or so by now.

>>57988613
>break a pin on PGA CPU
>bend it back
>break a pin on LGA mobo
>lol good luck

You're retarded for breaking either in any case, and AMD uses LGA for its enterprise chips.

>>57988467
intel is able to also, there is not a massive difference between top air and water coolers.

>>57987261
Why would it be too good to be true? If they let the chip get hot then could make the TDP as low as they wanted.

>>57988613
Opteron SP3 socket will be LGA

>>57988623
>they will literally open themselves for lawsuits if they deceive investors like that
Good thing that they made sure that literally nothing they did during the presentation can be tested.
It's another good thing that they haven't even announced the actual model they were testing and only gave us the name Ryzen.
Otherwise you would be right.

>>57988637
The point is that AMD is beating intel clock for clock and overclocks to at least the same, if not higher frequencies

>>57988635
Yes that's a great reason for having PGA. Never mind how limited you are on how many contacts you can have with PGA.

>>57988467
*6900K

What do you niggers want AMD to actually test? Modded Skyrim? Intel recommends Blender, meaning it plays to its strengths, a mix of int and floats without all that much branch prediction, a perfect throughput test without leaning too much into pure integers or floats.

>>57988658
>The point is that AMD is beating intel clock for clock*

*[note] in certain benchmarks maybe
:^)

>>57988670
A CPU that has 1150 pins doesn't need to have 2500 pins, if AMD needed more pins they'd use fucking PGA, like they do for Opterons where they DO need those pins.

Literally a non-issue .

>>57988658
overclocking is not a known and we know intel has issues with getting passed 4.3 on their 8 cores too.

They definitely showed something interesting and if base model is 350$ im getting it, depending on what the difference between the base 8 core and the supposed higher binned 8 core is, I may also get that too, but need some reviewers to get both and see what its all about there.

>>57988589
Well you could always get one + AM4 motherboard and if it turns out to be shit you can always return it in a few days.

I'm pretty optimistic about zen because if AMD fucks this up then intel will keep and expand their enterprise market and make AMD money problems worse.

Pretty sure AMD really really doesn't want to fuck this up.

>>57987589
From the stream you dumb jew.

>>57987157
The point is that it can beat an Intel chip at 140w when AMD is only at 95w.

>>57988732
They hired keller for a reason

This cpu is AMD's last chance at the server market, they've put everything into it

So far it's looking pretty fucking good, better than I was anticipating to be honest

Maybe I should go and buy that amd stock

Where is our AMD women?

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>>57988283
GET OUT!!

>>57988732
There is nothing AMD can do now to prevent their asses from getting REKT by Intel. Zen won't flop, but it will end up sinking AMD's ship not being able to pay off the massive debt they've been accumulating since Bulldozer's development. Zen only put them further into this debt. And in a climate like this were even a giant like Intel is shedding blood, AMD stands no chance of surviving beyond 2020.
It won't matter how many consumer CPUs they sell, AMD can not win back the enterprise market that they sorely needed to with this product line.

>>57988655
>Good thing that they made sure that literally nothing they did during the presentation can be tested.

twitch dot tv slash amd slash v slash 107255320

Around 35:00 - preset mentioned
35:55 - Lisa Su claiming you can download the video files and Bleder demo

And well... http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/new-horizon

I can't find the video file - but there's Blender, at least.

I expected this, making a wide performant core isn't all that hard by itself, getting the prefetchers, decoders and ROBs to play nicely and guzzle juice like a Polish hooker is hard, you need some good software talent for that.

>>57988201
Are you stupid? BENCHMARKS ARE FUCKING USELESS

I wanna see fucking real applications like handbrake which I actually fucking use.

>>57988814
I dunno man, these things look a little bit more energy efficient than intel processors. That's always been a thing the server market has looked for.

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I'm really interested in AMD's new scaling technology.

Intel currently requires cores to be completely shut off for slight boosts. Let's see what AMD brings to the table...

>>57988322
Synthetic benchmarks are fucking stupid, stop asking for them.

>>57988717
>a non issue
>they don't have quad channel memory

>>57988856
they've got some kind of dynamic boost that boosts as high as your cooling can handle

>>57988475
If AMD can match Intel neck and neck that is massive. They have 10% the staff and 10% of intels cash. Matching any where close is brilliant and should worry Intel.

>>57988464
Jim Keller really likes creating new things, that is why he jumps around.

this is common in the tech industry. A have a buddy that only works as a consultant, all he does is go around and work on huge projects that are 6-18 months long and then go to the next one as soon as it is done.

>>57988284
4/8 cores for start.
rumors say that a 6c variant will appear, but its far away yet.
2c variants for tablets and hybrids in q2 2017.

>>57988464
or he didn't want to sit on two years of countless minor revisions and bug fixes and extensive soul grinding testing

after all he doesn't need to, he can work anywhere he damn well wants

>>57988635
Lga are easy to fix.

>>57988880
Buy a 32 or 16 core Opteron and you'll get your precious 4 channel memory which you so desperately need.

>>57988847
>I dunno man, these things look a little bit more energy efficient than intel processors
>a little bit
That's not enough to give enterprise clients reason to dump their existing Intel systems and spent millions on AMD's. Transitioning to a new vendor is costly and time consuming, so a product has to be that good to justify a shift. AMD has not been able to give these customers a reason to shift to their platform. Minor improvements is not enough to justify a significant cost burden for a yet-unproven platform.

>>57988887
Intel has been laying off its CPU staff, most of its staff have nothing to do with CPUs anymore.

AMD did well.

Maybe it will be better or worse than what we speculate, but it's enough competition to drive market prices down.

>>57986907
AMD is back baby

>in one benchmark

AMD is back baby... hopefully

>>57988945
If you are trying to compete why not actually compete? Intel has has quad channel memory since 2011 came out.

>jumped ship from 8350 280x to 6700k and 1070 because too impatient
>the months pass by incredibly fast, haven't done anything that required this power

I shuld have fucking waited, I didn't think time was going to move this fast.

>>57988887
>If AMD can match Intel neck and neck that is massive
No it is not. It's not enough for AMD to match Intel, they needed to one-up Intel at their own game, or introduce new features that customers can't do without. Intel can just lower prices or give out heapings of financial incentives to keep enterprise and OEM clients from jumping ship to AMD. There is nothing AMD can do about that, and there is still nothing they can do short of working miracles on their Zen+ platform to be better than competitive than Intel.

AMD needed to show investors and OEM customers a reason to align themselves with AMD. All they have shown today is reasons to beg Intel to lower their prices.

>>57988993
I'd still give it 4 months. Intel will respond to AMD and prices will take a nosedive.

>>57988945
The 32c/64t Naples platform has octa channel memory.
Its two channels per Zeppelin die.

>>57988989
I guess tickboxes are soulfood for idiots like yourself.
More money than sense is what they say.

AMD did well.

It might be better or worse than what we speculate, by ryzen should provide enough competition to drive prices down for everybody.

>>57988993
Time always moves fast.

To kill time waiting to upgrade my 8350 I started learning 2 new languages. Now I am almost fluent in spanish and I can almost watch my animu without subtitles.

>>57987634

>AMD AT 10

FUCK WHEN DID IT LEAVE 1.3? I SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT INTO TO IT

>>57988454
The 5930 doesn't clock at 3.2GHz, Su also mentioned the 6900k.

>>57989005
You clearly know nothing about Intel.

>>57989014
Wow, what is this level of fanboyism called? Are you really this delusional?

>>57989003
And if AMD can keep doing that while selling then it's really not bad.

>>57989005
The faster Intel shifts the more scared they are

>>57989049
It's called not being a fucking idiot and paying for extra memory kits and more expensive motherboards because of a shiny "QUAD CHANNEL!!!" sticker on the box.

>>57988334
You know the major stakeholders are just shorting the stock to gain off of the wave of actual buyers coming, right?

Besides all of that AMD is in for big commercial wins, more product releases, and future contracts and designs already in the testing phase.

It's skyhigh from here and you should have started buying in 4 years ago like the rest of us "shills"

>>57989031
It only sank to like 1.68 at the lowest

t. guy who's been watching the stocks every few months but never bought

>>57988440
they showed gameplay with zen and vega you dumb fuck

>>57989045
Nice projection faggot.

>>57989068
It will be fun to watch.

>>57989098
Everything was staged, the golden rule of /g/ is take everything AMD says and decrease it by 40%, you're quite clearly a newfag

>>57989063
AMD will not be able to offset the billions in debt they've been carrying to fund this Hail Mary product. Unfortunately, that Hail Mary involved winning back an exact percentage of the enterprise market in order to break even. It doesn't matter how many Zen CPUs they sell to consumers, that's just a drop in the bucket compared to the money enterprise and large OEM clients pay for. Zen could be a commercial success (and I'm not doubting that at all at this stage), but it still will not give AMD the capital they need to remain afloat. The enterprise market is likely not that happy with the results they've been seeing and see no reason to switch from Intel. AMD is boned.

>>57989116
Don't arbitrarily create shitty rules for us, they're not funny much less useful.
Your act to foster some kind of misshapen camaraderie clearly stems from reddit, get the fuck back there and stay there for the remainder of eternity.

I switched from Power to Intel, never had AMD on x86 and I've never tasted more delicious tears than these Intel shill tears. I only went with the best bang for the buck, but the amount of denial I face right now in chatrooms and irc is just too funny.

Based AMD. Even used Nvidia in the demo. Kudos.

>>57989174
All I'm seeing is AMD tears, Intel fans are being cool and collected stating facts while AMD shills keep hyping and denying reality(just look at their stocks)

>>57989121
Yes I'm sure that ultra lucrative deal in China won't keep the afloat or the consoles or apple or the patents they just "shared" to intel for GPUs or a hundred other ventures.

>>57989121
There is no word on it either way, but I will concede that the enterprise market does not look good for AMD right now.

>>57989140
You sound frustrated

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>>57989194

>>57989194
What a joyous fantasy you live in.

>>57989194
Kill yourself, wannabe business midget. If you're on here you'll never make it on the stock market. Because if you would, you wouldn't be here.

>Sent from my sandy bridge

>>57989194
>AMD tears

Uh what?

I need AMD to succeed because G-Sync monitors are fucking expensive.

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>>57986907
>>57987355
>>57987366
>>57988454

Bigger image, I think you can more clearly see it.

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>>57986685
Did they just take a flat or nearly directly on top image and stretch/skew the fuck out of it for that image?
That's the ugliest picture of a motherboard I have ever seen being used for promotion of said board.

What the fuck AMD?
Whoever made that should commit sudoku. Shamefur dispray.

>>57986789
This is Skynet, your image clearly says so: Skynet built right into the Zen chips!! itsatrap.jpg

>>57989116
The golden rule says to call you a nigger.

Nigger.

>>57989218
>China deal
That wasn't good news at all. What AMD did there was hand China the keys to enter the CPU designing kingdom in exchange for a tiny amount of capital. They've essentially created a potential rival in the market that has an enormous advantage in the home market of China and could eventually compete very well against them overseas.
>consoles
That's also relatively minor news. AMD was able to retain clients who are experiencing a slowing growth in their own markets. Console sales have been flagging in the past two years and it's likely that the new refreshed consoles won't be enough to change the tide of the market. Even Microsoft's entertainment division is no longer banking on their XBox One market.
>Intel patents
Again, that's not a very significant deal. Intel is just paying AMD a penance so that AMD won't sue them for dubious patent infringement. The money involved on the larger scale is nothing compared to the revenue Intel will make out of it.

>>57989276
At least their not spending money on media instead of engineering :^)

I just hope AMD doesn't succeed with these shady tactics, we don't need AMD, we need someone else to compete with Nvidia and Intel, I say run AMD out of the market since theyre unwanted.

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>>57989315
This! This is NOT supposed to happen. AMD shouldn't be winning like this. STOP IT AMD!!!

>>57989300
Racist bigot, as I would expect from a AMDpoorshill

>>57989079
Stock noob reportan

My understanding of shorting stocks was that you'd sell them now, buy them back at a lower price, I don't understand how you'd gain after other buyers came along. Plsexplain

>>57989315
What shady tactics?

>>57989334
Go harp about womyn and minority rights somewhere else you fucking cuck.

>>57989315
Thanks Goy!
2 shekels has been deposited into your Intel® account, and you're entered into the draw to win a free Intel® snowboard™!

>>57989309
>Even Microsoft's entertainment division is no longer banking on their XBox One market.
No shit that the loser of this generation isn't too optimistic about it's shitty console. Like saying Nintendo isn't banking on their Wii U

>>57989315
>let's give Intel a monopoly
>sure let's see what happens
>check segments of market where they have a monopoly
>price gouging everywhere

Kill your self.

I want to put my snake in that robot's oil chamber.

>>57989354
Lying about benchmarks, using different hardware and hiding it, specifically optimizing software for their hardware, etc etc.
we don't need this, we need non biased companies.

>>57989383
All companies do this :^)

>>57989383
really nigger

you're the guy who was mad at amd for advertising the specifications of their cpus the other day

>>57989396
AMD is the worst offender, this is a fact

>>57989071
You sure it isn't called being a fucking idiot? Because that's what it sounds like.

>>57987054
My first thought too: what a horrible name, what were they thinking? They had some bad names before, but "ryzen"? I'll just keep refering to it as Zen and perhaps write a browser extention which changes Ryzen to Zen so I never have to see it.

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>>57989383
Yep like Intel® trademarked tactics of "pay off OEMs" and Nvidia Gameworks®

>>57989345
I'm not going to spoonfeed a shrub carving artist commune the facets of business you illiterate fuck

>>57989406
Can anything really get worse than this? :^)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAGrPyMKA_k

>>57989383
Intel's IDF sure finds weird shit to be indignant about, especially considering every commercial and benchmark software under the sun uses ICC to boost Intel CPUs.

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>>57986723
>>57986743
>these awful marketing graphs

At the VERY LEAST the y axis should've been labeled POWER CONSUMPTION. That graph is completely incomprehensible to the mouth breathing and drooling normies (journalists) it's meant for.

pic related is what they should've done

>>57989345
There are facilities that allow you to borrow stocks, sell them, let the price drop, and buy them back so you can return them.

>>57989431
That was a joke though

>>57989478
>was a joke
LMAO

i am not going to buy amd cpu ever again

>>57989478
Yeah, yeah, it was a "joke".

The jokes are Intel's GPUs and CPU progress for the last 4 years, a very funny joke.
I'm literally in tears on the floor clutching my ribs, too funny.

What is wrong with you fucking people.

BUY THE BEST CPU (AND GPU FOR THAT MATTER) AT THE PRICE YOU ARE WILLING TO PAY, REGARDLESS OF WHICH COMPANY MADE IT. IF THEY'RE ABOUT EQUAL, LOOK FOR A SALE OR FLIP A FUCKING COIN.

My current computer was Intel/nVidia. My last computer was Intel/ATI, and the HTPC I built around the same time was AMD/ATI. My computer before that was AMD/NVidia. If I upgraded my video card about now, I will likely get an AMD. Don't shill for one vendor or another, don't buy subpar garbage on principle, get the best bang for your buck, that's the whole fucking point of building a PC.

There, not so fucking hard.

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>>57989478

>>57989507
Intel and Nvidia are always better so fuck off poorfag shill

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Anyone have sauce for OP image?

>>57989478
What about
http://www.agner.org/optimize/blog/read.php?i=49

or specifically tuning the ikml for better performance on intel cpus

>>57989478
You Inteldrones are not far from being as obnoxious as the resident snot flinging Nvidiots, I mean your fanbase seems to be a little older, but not that much apparently.

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>>57989507
This guy might be on to something

>>57989533
>2010
Kek

>>57986789
That's actually pretty cool if it actually works better than other kinds of branch predictors.

>>57987732
>>57988504
can't find the image but here's the same artist
http://rule34.paheal.net/post/view/1682004

>>57989530
it's ragu

>>57989550
That's actually pretty standard and is used everywhere from arms to intels for like several years

>>57987145
>DancingLamb.gif
It's an alpaca.

>>57988624
>>57988817
You two are apparently too stupid to find a link...

Here you go:
http://download.amd.com/demo/RyzenGraphic_27.blend

No, I am not going to time how long it took Ryzen to render for you. I'm hoping you can handle at least one simple task for yourself.

>>57989639
Is it an alpacasso alpaca?

>>57988283
Jim Keller.

>>57989519

For what I'm running (1080p @ 60hz), it was close to a coinflip for the games I was actually interested in, but the fact that the RX480 fucking annihilated the GTX 1060 running Doom + Vulkan, a game I bought at release but can't really play more until i get a better graphics card, tilted the needle in AMD's direction for me.

However, I didn't actually end up buying anything. If enough time passes before I decide to buy a new card, I'll re-evaluate at that point. Or I might just save $50 and get a GTX 1060 3GB, since I don't really play many AAA titles anyway and from what I've seen it's solidly ahead at that price point.

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>>57987732
>>57988504
>>57989530
http://brokenlynx21.tumblr.com

http://the-collection.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=brokenlynx+xj9

>>57989814
I'm kind of curious about the 460 with the bios firmware flashing wher eyou can get more bang for the buck. The 460 and 470 both are priced really good. It'll be interesting to see what's best bang in a couple months when I bite the bullet.

>>57989022
intel does not lower prices, if they announce something at a price point, that's what it will be, to cut prices would just make everyone see how much they were getting fucked. we may see a dip in prices or new sku with the 8000 chips but not the 7000

>>57989071
>>57989408
for most people that's all quad channel is,

>>57989345
the current target for amd is around 7.50
meaning everyone is telling everyone 'it would be smart to sell' and because there are no new announcements, the stock could either stay the course, or go lower, a lot of people are betting on it going down short term, which it likely will till the next showing or launch which will be ces.

so they are selling it at what they perceive to be their peak till ces, and buying it back for up to 3$ cheaper for the next announcement.

>>57986723
>>57986743
stupidest possible way of making graphs
someone should get fired

>>57990049
I fixed it

>>57989441

>>57989121
amd refinanced the debt recently, and if i remember right they had 2 billion~ long term debt.

intel is going to license from amd after nvidia is up, and they paid 1.5 billion to nvidia last time, just struck a deal with google, and looking at zen, everything looks bright in their future, not curbstomping intel's profit nice, but get the fuck out of debt entirely nice.

>>57986723
>unoptimized silicon
What about the performance of activated almonds?

>>57986643
I would insert my CPU into her MOBO if you catch my drift

>>57989174
nvidia in demos was because if the graphics failed, they had nvidia to blame, they have vega and working vega, just not driver ready at this point. possibly, and this would be funny, lead nvidia to price the 1080ti as high as they want, then release theirs after nvidia releases theirs this time around. Remember, nvidia dropped the bomb of 980ti to kill all enthusiasm for the fury, and it worked, would be fun to see amd do that but also twist the knife with a lower price point.

>>57989262
I was smiling and laughing so hard during the conference tears were coming out... that count?

>>57987663
>neural net prediction
>meme
even arm cpus are doing it now

>>57987955
>it was just MOBA livestreaming with a software h.264 encoder, which seems like a really fucking niche deal.
Pretty common among vidya streamers desu. Wouldn't be hard to overwhelm a four core cpu like that but a 6+ core job won't even blink at it.

WHERE IS THE 490X?
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE how the fuck does it take them so long?

>>57989507
personally its more complicated, sure best price performance, but lets put it this way, if amd is competitive, ill go them over intel or nvidia just out of spite, they don't need to be better, they just cant be so far behind its sad.

current amd cpus are this way, and is why i'm on a phenom II, I have only recently felt the need for an upgrade, but not so big a need it's unbearable.

with gpus, amd trades blows regularly, its only be the last 2 gens where nvidia had a clear high end win in the non retard price range, but even then, I buy mid range most often than not, so its usually amd with the better deal.

never discount spite, nvidia fucked me hard and I don't want to give them money if I don't have to, and intel fucked everyone hard, raw, with no lube and if I can avoid them I will.
This isn't about brand loyalty to amd, its about fucking despising intel and nvidia as companies and only having one other choice.

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>>57990273
Excuse me sir, but you cannot "kill all the enthusiasm" for 4KBit large memory bus graphics cards. That will just not happen.

These AMD GPU are goddamned expensive but should last a really really long time. The larger the memory bus the longer the GPU lasts. Applies to Nvidia as well, my 9800 GT lasted half a decade or something.

But the rest of your post is actually a pretty sharp observation.
Anyone noticed how "meditative" the guy running these tests sat there? I could feel the nervosity across the whole globe. That backup plan of blaming Nvidia seems legit.

>>57989071
Not understanding that features are all that matter now that performance is stagnated

>>57990258
What did he mean by this?

>>57990458
meh, performance is what matters, amd can have all the high numbers they want, the the 980ti beat it out at launch, and still after updated and updates, beats out the fury line at dx11 with the fury's only surpassing it at dx12, vulcan, and in some cases higher resolutions.

if vega is not at least titan x level or higher, nvidia has the 1080ti to drop and price match amd, and this would more or less kill enthusiasm for vega and lead people to vega.

If what we think is going to happen happens, gpus are going mcm next cycle, at least on amds side, this will drive the price for gpus into the fucking ground and skyrocket performance, as
1) smaller silicon chips = larger yields
2) 1 silicon design for an entire lineup

lets look at the 480, 4gb of ram seems to cost 40$ so take the ram off completely the gpu is now 160$ put 2 of them together, that is 320$ and add 8gb of ram that is 400$

in ashes, amd showed of 2 polaris 480s were as good as a 1080 with a 13% performance loss due to crossfire/multi gpu.

with an mcm that performance loss should not be there...

I went on a tangent.
What I meant to say, long term value is pointless after this generation due to what amd is potentially doing on the gpu side as price for performance is going to fucking tank hard.

>zen beats $1299 cpu
>amd sells their for $899

so that means 99% of /g/ cant afford the zen cpu and should stop discussing it


fucking gullible morons, you think amd will sell a cpu worth $1299+ for like $300?

GET A GRIP AND BUY A 6700K BECAUSE YOU WILL NEVER EVER AFFORD THE ZEN

>>57990573
all i give a shit about is the 490x

my i5 4690 is more than happy shitting out 100fps+ in most games so zen isnt needed for me yet

>>57987634
>No prices announced
>No 490/490X to go along with the announcement
>Nobody uses AMD CPUs anymore
>AMD

>>57990596
ok, why did they compare it to a 6700?

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>>57986643

>>57990596
oh great its the FX51 all over again

Hopefully this time next year or year after the 590 and Zen Gen 2 will be out because amd dropped the ball in 2016
>muh 480
so what my 390x beats it big whoop

>>57990596
I will never again buy an Intel CPU that has a "0" in it's name. The 2K memery has to find an end. There was just no end in sight until yesterday.

Prices will play a major role though. The "5 year" research has to be financed.

Let's wait for AMDs 4 cores. 8 cores is overkill anyways. I don't drive cars with 8 wheels. Dogs have 4 legs etc. Even the fattest cat in the world still only has 4 legs max.

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>>57990651
Bigger cars have more wheels you fucking retard. Have you ever seen a semi truck?

Fucking Intel shills
>Computers dont need more than 4gb of ram, just the way it is, anything more is overkill

>>57989897

I'm not BIOS flashing a card for performance. I am long past playing games with my hardware to save a few dollars. If my hardware is defective, I want to know for sure it's their fault and not mine so I can RMA it without worry.

And anyway, the whole point of my original post was that taking sides in the Intel vs AMD vs nVidia wars is for fucking idiots...

>>57990434

...like this dude, stuck on a fucking Phenom II out of simple spite.

>>57988178
>>57988290
You have to keep in mind that the one they showed off is going to be their highest tier CPU for Zen, of course it's going to be super fucking expensive. Expect some cut down cheaper Zen processors to be announced by next year's end.

>>57990690
Well I did not intend to insult you, my truckerdude.

Looks like AMD ReeZen was amde 4u

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>>57990651
OH SHIT
6 WHEELS
BTFO
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>>57990651
>Let's wait for AMDs 4 cores. 8 cores is overkill anyways. I don't drive cars with 8 wheels. Dogs have 4 legs etc. Even the fattest cat in the world still only has 4 legs max.
fucking cuck i have been waiting for a decent 8 core cpu for literally 6 years.

Finally we get one that just so happens to be from AMD and it ISNT shit.

Even if its $500usd i am getting it, fuck intel up their ass my i5 4690 was barely faster than the i7 920 it replaced

>>57988322
Aren't most synth benchmarks heavily biased towards Intel CPUs?

Where are people getting this $1300 intel figure from?

Weren't they comparing to an i7 6700 ($300)?

>>57988361
No they didn't, quit lying on the internet already

>>57990718
the 'ryzen' will be around $500-900usd i am guessing.

Hopefully they have some lower clocked/binned models that oc up to a stock i7 6900 level i'd be all over that

>>57990705
Maybe modern technology was made just for me, Intel shill
>anything over 4gb of ram is overkill
>any resolution over 640x480 is overkill

>>57990709
It's actually 10.

Two front wheels, 4x2 over the trailer connection area.

>>57990713
>cpu beating a $1299 cpu
>$500
you might get the heatsink for that


amd hinted at $999usd

>>57990749
>amd hinted at $999usd
welp nobody is going to fucking buy it then.

looks like ill be sticking with my 3.9ghz i5 4690 for a while

>>57990718
amd benched it against the 6900k

>>57988197
Thats because they can get away with it. They dont even have to try. They've gone so far as to charge a premium for processors that can overclock and can can only do so on their most premium expensive motherboards.
Theyve become complacent. Why bother being competitive in a market where theres not competition? Thats just throwing money away.

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>>57990771
Where was this? I see 5930k >>57986907

>>57990702
no, not necessarily.
effectively what could they cut out of the cpu to make it bad?

If we believe them boost was disabled,
we have seen with the 480, the process they are using has some extreme lottery potential. its possible the low end 8 core does not boost for shit, but that was the point of this, showing what the bare minimum was.

then showing it off against a 6700 at the very least I believe was showing a value comparison. as in, you are getting 6900 preformance for 6700 price, otherwise why would they have ever used an i7 apposed to an i5 or i3?

Here is what we know.

Amd has a weaker fpu
Amd likely has dual channel apposed to tripple or quad
Amd is half the size of their 8350
And amd has said for quite a while, they are not looking to grow in the consumer market, either that means they wont make more money or they arent selling to us.

seeing as they are selling ot us, you have 2 further options

1) they won't sell many sue to cost
2) they won't gain money because of the low price.

now, why would amd sell lower then intel if they equal intel?
in the past when amd had a CLEAR fucking advantage, they did this.

sold a 300$ cpu that matched intels 1000$ e line, then every cpu above the e line was sold at higher then intel prices, they have president for not fucking people.

intel on the other hand has had how many die shrinks, yet they still charge more each time, for next to no performance gain, while it costs them less?

Intel has been fucking you hard, raw, and with no lube for quite a while that you bleed so much you made your own lube and it started to feel good.

everything amd has been saying points to a winner due to them cutting areas most people don't use, areas intel will have an advantage such as high fpu workloads, or loads where memory bandwidth is vital, at least outside of the opteron line up, where its assumed amd has octa channel memory.

those cut corners dont effect us but also cost us less to boot.

>>57990769
they hinted at the same price range as the 6700

>>57990834
zoom in, 6900 at 3.2

>>57990718
because people cant believe that intel has been fucking them raw, cpus cant be that cheap, intel cant have been full jew.

look, they showed against a 6900 for performance, and then showed it against a 6700k because that's where its going to be priced in that range, at least base model, they removed the boost, because the boost is going to be what separates the base model from the higher end ones.

>>57990921
Why are they imposing all of these limits and switching things around? It sounds like they're trying to pull a fast one here. Wouldn't be the first time for AMD.

>>57990815
binning, that's it. its likely that the lower binned i7's cant oc at all, look at the k i7, they ALL overclocked to 4.6 now imagine if instead of all, 30-40% could get that overclock.

you are paying for a higher binned chip.

personally, I'm willing to pay a premium for a guarantee and intels premium isnt that bad.

>>57990945
because this was a press conference for the masses, and they were focussing on gamers, they turned off bost because this is what separates their base model 8 core from their premium 8 core.

>>57987559
Non-integrated vrms are the ideal situation since those fuckers made broadwell hot for no gains

>>57990010
ty

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>>57989441
Wrong. This is how you should do it.

>>57991287
I think the point is that TDP becomes even less apples to apples when one model has FIVR and the other doesnt since they do get hot

>>57986643
Why does Jenny have breasts?

She's canonically a DFC.

>>57989275
Confirmed being i7-6900k @ 3.2GHz

>>57988042
Soonish?

But why the fuck would you bother with the FX lineup anymore? It's more than likely that even the "Mid tier" 4 core/8 thread Ryzen chip will shit all over the 8350. Unless of course the lineup goes wayyy the fuck down in price, making it a sort of low budget option for poorfags

>>57991642
TDP isn't "apples to apples"?

How the fuck not? Does each chip have its own definition of a watt?

>>57992309
Across manufacturers sadly yes.

>>57992231
I'm hoping it does since I am one, but id pay money if Zen becomes a long lasting product and not just throwaway marketing bs.

>>57992335
No. What you mean to say is that TDP doesn't have specific load criteria.