/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

didn't post this in time last thread

currently using xubuntu and arch, thinking of hopping

how's fedora for general desktop use?

besides gui and some packages it comes with is their actually much difference between debian and ubuntu (+ ku, lu, xu, etc). seems like theyre all just debian really

>>57975438
>general desktop use
these words have no meaning though

>>57975438
systemd will destory you

>>57975500
basically, these are my needs

>recent kernels, mainline or close behind
>extensive repos with proprietary software if needed
>no breakage or very little

arch just keeps fucking breaking these days and I'm tired of it

xubuntu is pure ass

>>57975567
yeah it's fine
not sure about the second part though, you have to fuck around a bit for that to work if i recall correctly

>>57975584
yeah apparently I need third party repos to get anything proprietary. not good, rather have that with as little hassle as possible.

fuck, I wish arch could be a little more stable. everything else just feels incomplete in comparison.

>>57975606
You're looking for gentoo. You can have older packages (not sjwbian-tier old) for the stuff that breaks most often but you can still have the bleeding edge packages for anything you want

puppy linux or xubuntu?

>>57975635
Please stop posting horse shit.

>>57975662
I haven't though, what exactly in my post is "horse shit"?

>>57975606
correction: the RPMFusion project is actually ran by fedora devs so I'm guessing it's robust and won't randomly fuck me over like RPMForge did

I'll take KDE Fedora for a spin and post my conclusions in a few weeks if I remember

>tfw can never get Linux to work with my Wi-Fi or audio
just end my life senpai
the last time I successfully installed Debian the grub magically forgot where it was one day

I'm trying to get off windows asap. Wanting debian but having problems. First, it seems like you need to already have some linux system to boot from USB for installation. What is up with this? Then I tried unetbootin but it said that it I had hardware that needed proprietary software. Not preferable, but OK. Thing is it wanted me to have the software on some usb or something and install it right then! I was like, uhh. And then I quit out.

Did I do something stupid? Was I on the right track? What about slackware?

>>57975657
>>57975697
>>57975705
>sjwbian or sjwbian based shite
no...
just do yourself a favor and avoid it.

>>57975727
>>57975662

>>57975705
>First, it seems like you need to already have some linux system to boot from USB for installation.
no, just change BIOS boot order.

>Then I tried unetbootin but it said that it I had hardware that needed proprietary software.
first time I hear about anything of the sort but if it's a relatively new laptop I wouldn't be fucking surprised.

what are you trying to install this on?

>Was I on the right track? What about slackware?
I wouldn't look at debian or slackware for a windows replacement. the former will frustrate you with its lack of recent software and the latter will put you so far out of your comfort zone you'll probably just give up.

I'm going to get shit for this but I would personally recommend ubuntu.

>>57975727
if not Debian then what?
>Mint
no
>Arch
no
>Ubuntu
deprecated Chink botnet Debian
>Solus
kevinnet

>>57975727
pls explain

>>57975705
Also, I partitioned my hard drive but I don't know how to use this free space. Obviously I want to put an OS there but how do I go about this? Will the installer address this? In the debian installer it seemed like it wanted to partition then, but I had done it before.

>>57975745
explain yourself.
>>57975755
>mint
sjwbian based shite.
>arch
just a bloated piece of shit, not that bad though
>ubuntu
sjwbian based shite
>solus
just plain shite
>>57975757
everything sjwbian based is just literal horseshit, you can't even call that a distro

>>57975697
Such is life with Broadcom wifi.

I dual boot Arch and Gentoo, if it matters.

>>57975755
>if not Debian then what?
Gentoo Linux with GNU removed.

>>57975746
>no, just change BIOS boot order.
This is what I gathered from the debian install guide. They were talking about some command which would format the usb correctly.

My computer is lenovo ideapad u530 touch

I actually went to the website for ubuntu just before posting this but was scared by the corporate product feel. That's when I went to look at slackware.

I'm not super concerned with the distro being hard to use when I'm in it, I just want to install something. Preferably more free.

>>57975798
>>57975662

>>57975727
puppy linux is sjw?

also with >>57975705
i was having heaps of issues using debian as a first distro, booted without gui and couldnt install wireless drivers. just use a buntu or eos, will be much better for you

What's the best non-SJWbian distro for the Raspberry Pi?

>>57975784
DELET

>>57975804
>>57975667

>>57975808
suicide linux

>>57975782
>sjwbian
Did the people doing debian offend you or is this something against the product in and of itself.

>>57975755
>>57975782
jesus christ you cunts are the biggest reason nobody wants to use linux

>>57975832
it's simply shite, install gentoo

>>57975832
Both, it can't really be separate since the first will always have some influence on the second.
Those retards change standard naming conventions like slave and master because it isn't in line with their political ideology.

Ok guys, I'm giving up arch linux. Can't even install BCM43142 driver on my laptop. What the actual fuck can I do? I'm stressed!

>>57975854
I see.

>>57975832
>>57975846
look at >>57975854
>>57975862
>!
thanks for letting us know
now we know your stressed
>>57975865
>im losing an argument
>better just tell everyone not to talk with him xD
yeah kid, that's how it works. you can just force two people not to talk since it offends you.

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>>57975846
nobody wants to use Linux because the distro choices suck ass and Lennart has contaminated it

>>57975862
Arch is sjw trash. just avoid it and install a better distro.

>>57975881
Thanks for noticing it, pal. Now I can continue being stress :D

>>57975806
I'll try eos, thanks. The install guide is pretty easy so far.

>>57975826
A literal meme distro, anything else?

>>57975888
systemd isn't normalfag deterrent

it's unixfag deterrent

and that's a good thing

>>57975892
>pal
literally who

>>57975912
that's my name lmao
he somehow hacked my linux with his python

>>57975906
t. Red Hat

hey i got a question with qemu and graphics passthrough.

so basically, i want to run XP on my chromebook, but the trackpad is connected using I2C, so only windows 8+ would work.

if i were to install a minimal distro, and run qemu at boot, would i be able to get mouse/keyboard working or no?

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>>57975918
>hacked my linux

>>57975946
where the fuck did you get this image of me?!

Yo im setting up a new installation of lubuntu but im getting "unsafe swap space" and then it stops.

What do i do

>>57976637
stop using hate speech

>>57976637
see >>57976648

>>57976648
>>57976682
Guys im scared please help

>>57976728
Guys i fixed it but im stuff having issues with this, i cant install it, a plethora of errors mostly relating to the disk appear. Ccan i format it somehow before doing this install or what? My previous install was encrypted and all

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>>57976926
You can install GParted on the live USB and format it with that.

>>57975862
Hi
I have the exact same wifi chip. You have to install this package:
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/broadcom-wl/

However if you have grsec enabled you need this https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/broadcom-wl-grsec/

If you are using the -ck patchset in your kernel you want this
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/broadcom-wl-ck/

What distro should I use if I like privacy? I'm using ubuntu right now, should I switch to tails? Is there an in-between?

>>57977264
https://prism-break.org/en/

>>57977264
tails isn't designed to be a primary distro

>>57977118
Actually im trying because it was installed on the live usb but it wont open

>bought a keychain usb as a resuce disk and general move shit around
>it's so small I can't get it out of most of the devices I own because it sits nearly flush
>also they called it a "jump drive" on the packaging

>>57977279
Why not? And what do you mean by that, should I run another one? Sorry, new to linux, so I don't know much.
>>57977277
Those are mostly programs though. I'm using some of them already.

What's the best Windows these days? I'm switching from Linux.

>>57977704
are you moving on from arch? arch user here just wondering why you are leaving is all.

>>57977736
Yes, I'm using arch.
Just never used windows and I was wondering what's the best one out there.

>>57977752
W7

How would I configure ranger to open a file with a GUI editor (Leafpad) that is separate from the terminal session so that it doesn't close if you close ranger/the terminal?

>>57977854
>uses le epic cli file manager to be a cool hacker
>doesn't use vim
lmao
at least get your memes straight

Trying to install Arch, I already have a windows disk and I'm trying to put arch on a completely separate disk including the bootloader.

The systemd bootloader booted alright but there was no arch option, should I just go with GRUB? Has systemd memed me already?

>>57977958
wrong post my man

>>57978069
are you using efi? you don't even need a bootloader then, look up efistub

>>57978164
Yeah I'm using a 512mb efi partition for /boot

I was just following the guide, which is written pretty awfully desu.

I'll give it a go, thanks anon. So will I be able to just boot the disk through bios then?

I know pacman -syu can fuck something
Do i have to backup something? Any config?

>>57978202
yeah, it's really convenient and that way you don't have to be extra cautious about grub overwriting anything windows related

>>57978286
By the way im using arch if it's relevant

>>57978426
Pacman have any diffrences on manjaro?

>>57978346
Cheers for that anon I've booted in to the system now. efibootmgr and efistub were exactly what I needed

Any recommendations for a DE?

>>57978547
KDE is literally the best. Also check out i3 if you want just a tiling wm.

>>57978286
pacman doesn't fuck up anything

Autopartitioning uaing lvm failed.

What does it mean and how do i fix it? I just want an encrypted disc

how stable is arch? im thinking about switching

>>57975808
Anyone?

>>57978697
pretty stable, Arch never broke for me

Is it possible to limit firefox download speed on linux?
Like some program that can limit interned usage to specific apps

Just wrote a script to set random wallpaper from /wg/. You can change the board is it from editing the python script. Change the name of python script to pape.py.
Also in the script you can change interval, and the way wallpaper is it (this one is for gnome 3).
https://files.catbox.moe/gw1p66.sh
https://files.catbox.moe/bon2bt.py

>>57975906
systemd sucks balls

>>57979299
Name me actual problems with systemd, except the default problems of standardization.
Just to say I was also a member of this 'le fuck systemd' group but got bored of autism you guys have.
Also
>sjwbian
really
really
guys.

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I feel like this has been asked to death, but in palemoon/fire fox how do I just get the KDe file picker to work?

i went into about:config and changed ui.allow.platform.file.picker to both settings. on true it lets me preview one file at a time, on false it shows pic related. forums seem all over the place giving advice on how to fix this.

So far ive used windows 10 for all my main stuff and kali linux for linux stuff . however its quite unreliable as an os and i want to switch to a more power linux as i have to use it more often. My favourite window/desktop manager is gnome. Between arch,debian or ubuntu (the latest ones) , which one should i use or not use and why? Thanks

>>57979246
>json
>python
no thanks lmao

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a "tmp" folder popped up in my home directory on Ubuntu.

Is it safe to remove?

it has a file named "odch" in it.

>>57979349
>sjwbian
choose anything but this.

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noob here
what do i do now?
i have an i5 4590

>>57979607
Install the kernvel version without -pae.

I forgot the sudo password so im using a guest login. Can i delete the sudo account and make a new one? I dont care about data

>>57979488
>>57979574
kill yourself already and stop shitting up this thread holy shit

>>57979488
>he posts using memearrows in late 2016
just kys

>>57979246
Pretty cool idea.
Improvement ideas:
- Drop the papes to /tmp/.
- Write the resolution check and the loops also in python and make it a single script.
- Check for more wallpaper setters like feh, so it doesn't rely on gnomes gsettings.

>>57979791
The papes are dropped to tmp already.
Really I stopped writing python some time ago, so really I just made it work and was happy with it.

>>57979678
nah, kys yourself first bruh
>>57979690
>he calls them memearrows
>hes clearly a newfag from r*ddit
just kys you'reself already

>be newcomer
>interested about linux
>join this thread
>see this exreme autism
>turn 360° and go back to windows
>t-thanks

is this the goal of this thread?

>>57979833
>he wastes time of his life for shitposting on 4chan

>>57979877
>she thinks shitposting isnt my life
kek
seriously go back to r*ddit though

57979862
yes
"people" who think like that dont deserve to use linuxes

>>57979862
why would you even come to 4chan for that, just go to the gentoo wiki

noob here
in ubuntu VM
now what
when do i do proper stuff?

>>57980091
idk
try unistsalling noobuntu
and install
Pepe Linux

>>57980091
133t haxor here
in Arch Linux
now whatever
Hack some shit.

Can I install gnome theme on Ubuntu 16.04?

>>57980140
yep, unity runs gnome under the hood, which again uses gkt

>>57980125
expert here
in gentoo
please wait a sec
compiling some shit

>>57979862
Idk thus thread used to be nice but its urter bitterness right now. I think its just 16 year olds

>>57980249
>her kernel cant manage the cpu so that you can still fully use a browser while compiling
lol

Is there a version of IE available for Linux?

>>57980314
these fucking trolls... i can't even!

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noob here
gentoo VM
now what

>>57980518
lmao
"epic" "troll"

>>57975567
Check out fedora. You have to install rpm fusion repo, bit that's easy enough.

>>57975567
Gentoo linux

>>57980518
now do pacman -S systemd

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>>57980577
didnt work

>>57980597
try apt-get install systemd

>>57980602
apt-get command not found

>>57980635
i dont believe you. post a screenshot

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>>57980636

>>57980649
thats strange my mate
try dnf install systemd

What do i do anons:
>Add torrent
>Limit it to ~100kb
>Downloading started
>boom internet connection dead, only torrent working, cant browse and shit
>pause downloading
>internet works
>have 10mb internet
is this qbit problem?

>>57980671
not found

>>57980677
it actually downloads at full speed then deletes most of it to account for the limit. thats why.

>>57980680
your lying

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>>57980703
heres my evidence

>>57980518
echo 'sys-kernel/gentoo-sources deblob' >> /etc/portage/package.use && echo 'ACCEPT_LICENSE="-* @FREE"' >> /etc/make.conf

>>57980711
hmm... really thinking right now...
try pkg install systemd

>>57980724
is there a way to paste that?

>>57980735
didnt work

>>57980724
>enabling a nonexistent USE flag
ebin

>>57980750
How to do it correctly?

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call an ambulance

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Is puppy linux on USB flash drive a good portable distro?

>>57980756
message the gentoo devs

>>57980763
post anime or gtfo

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>>57980750
yeah ebin :DDDDD

>>57980358
no, there were solaris/hp-ux ports of 4 and 5, but i'm unsure if those work in linux

can i run cygwin in wine?

>>57980763
No.

>>57980762
^c

>>57980788
probably

>>57980724
USE="deblob" emerge ...

>>57980763
nope

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Anyone know a free desktop environment that arranges files like mac does?

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>>57980778
Better?
Is it better to use puppy linux? or use the qemu-puppy fork?
>>57980790
>>57980824
Why is that?
I was thinking of putting my Firefox profile with all it's extensions.
To use it when I can't use my machine.
Just boot up any machine and use it.

>>57980838
>reddit/imgur filename
>he thinks this newfag shite is "anime"
no...
try again mate

Hey /g/, I'm practicing some Ubuntu for my uni course and my lecturer has asked me to set up a networked rsync with crontab, as far as I can tell I've got the rsync working with ssh keys as to not need passwords every time it happens although for the life of me I can't seem to get it working along side crontab at all, I'll paste the crontab job below, any tips?

40 14 * * * /usr/bin/rsync -av --delete -e "ssh -i /home/client01/id_remote_backup.pub" /home/client01/Backups/ [email protected]:/home/client_01/Backups

>>57980820
Is that setting it just for one emerge?
>>57980829
kde

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>>57980852
Are you talking shit about aoba?
On /g/?

I'm a pretty frequent lurker in /dpt/ /fglt/ & /csg/

I love Linux, I love the community around it, I love the people who selflessly support it, I love the whole premise of controlling the machine that you use right down to the firmware level

I love GNU & the FSF and all the work that they so tirelessly, thanklessly, persistently, forcefully, commit to, even if I think that sometimes their zealotry is somewhat overbearing they have an incredible commitment to a free society

I also love cheap hardware I can use to knock out code on the go, which is why I bought a Cube i7 Stylus, networking didn't work out of the box on Ubuntu but drivers were on github & pretty easy to compile

This touchscreen does not have drivers
I have looked everywhere

I'm not looking for tech support, I want to write a driver for this motherfucker, I'm decent in C/C++ though I haven't worked on anything major outside of small bugfixes to existing projects, and I've never written (or shit even really thought about) a kernelspace application before but I figure it's time I nutted up and gave something back to the Free & Open Source Software community, even if that something is relatively insignificant and will benefit almost no one outside of a limited range of people with similar hardware.

So how would an amateur programmer go about writing a driver for an unfamiliar device? I'm not even sure where to start

>>57980882
Is this a Mongolian Moving Picture about anime girls running *NIX clones?

I don't think I've ever been this hard

How have I not HURD of this?

>>57980882
>new filename
>he doesn't talk shit about literal shit
mate...
>>57980898
>How have I not HURD of this?
you don't have basic hearing support yet

>>57980882
>>57980898
awwwwwwwwww it's just about game development

Still neat

>>57980916
Year of the HURD desktop when?

>>57980920
its shite
don't even bother mate...

>>57980928
damn, I saw that terminal and what looked like a Japanese book on C
I got really excited

Guess the only series that'll ever tackle something like that is SEL

>>57980938
>Japanese book on C
it's a "beginner book" on C
the anime is shit though, don't even bother

holy crap who wrote this article

>Many channers call Arch Linux a "meme OS". This is mostly due to the fact that it does have a package manager, however it is very glitchy and most Arch users compile. Furthermore, a large number of users in their community are underage and in a middle school grade level. There have been many criticisms for Arch Linux for not using the GNU coreutils and instead using busybox for its userland. This is mostly a criticism of followers of the Free Software Foundation, and users of Arch Linux (and members of the Open Source community) often refute it by stating that the GNU coreutils are bloated in their coding.
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Arch_Linux

>>57980986
>who wrote this article

Some zealot Arch user trying to justify his use of an operating system that makes things needlessly complicated for no practical benefit, attempting to field claims from more sensible individuals

I'll never understand Arch, if you're going to go that deep go all the way and pick up the LFS book, compile your whole system you really wanna learn how linux works

>>57980986
But Arch is using coreutils?

>>57980986
>holy crap who wrote this article

>"...the fact that it does have a package manager..."
someone mad that their favorite meme os didn't get them approval

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>>57975407
morn /g. i am wondering what g thinks of kde.widgets vs xfrce.conky.

i like kde layout, but like conky system monitors.

*pic kinda related

>>57981166
>>57980829
is moot^2 scaling down images now?

>>57981166
>conky
shit.

>>57975407
Is there an alternative to OneNote on Linux?

>>57981207
TwoNote or KNote if you're on kde

>>57981182
what would u suggest for system monitors and DE

>>57981244
kde, which is literally the best

>>57981228
>KNote
It's just sticky notes, desu.

>TwoNote
Can't find it on Google.

>>57981056
Arch used to be about "do as much as possible without getting in my way" and you had sane defaults and a simple installer.

But the devs stopped caring and make the users do more and more pointless shit and the people who still use Arch eat it up because they believe they learn something by following a step-by-step guide from the wiki.

t. someone who used Arch when Judd was still in charge

>>57981274
https://www.linux.com/news/best-linux-distros-2016


Most Customizable Distro: Arch Linux

Arch Linux is the best rolling-release distribution out there. Period. Ok, I could be biased because I am an Arch Linux user. However, the reason behind my claim is that Arch excels in many other areas, too, and that’s why I use it as my main operating system.

Arch Linux is a great distro for those who want to learn everything about Linux. Because you have to install everything manually, you learn all the bits and pieces of a Linux-based operating system.

Arch is the most customizable distribution. There is no “Arch” flavor of any DE. All you get is a foundation and you can build whatever distro want, on top of it. For good or for worse, unlike openSUSE or Ubuntu there is no extra patching or integration. You get what upstream developers created. Period.

Arch Linux is also one of the best rolling releases. It’s always updated. Users always run the latest packages, and they can also run pre-released software through unstable repositories.

Arch is also known for having excellent documentation. Arch Wiki is my to-go resource for everything Linux related.

What I like the most about Arch is that is offers almost every package and software that’s available for “any” Linux distribution, thanks to the Arch User Repository, aka AUR.

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How I draw a strike line on GIMP?

>>57981328
>Arch Linux is a great distro for those who want to learn everything about Linux. Because you have to install everything manually, you learn all the bits and pieces of a Linux-based operating system.
Exactly the cancer that killed Arch.

Arch used to be for people already familiar with Linux.
Not retards that want to learn about it.

>>57975407
Would you recommend Arch to a beginner?

How much experience do I need before jumping on Arch wagon?

>>57981274
>sane defaults
like breaking python

>>57981348
use krita instead

>>57981394
Arch is a meme, don't fall for it.
Beginner? Go Ubuntu. Don' fall for Mint or simliar crap.

I'm not a linux pro so be gentle.
Recently I loaded into Arch I installed two years ago to try send my .vimrc to buddy.

Just usual I though I can copy/paste it from text editor to web based social network messanger and that's it.

Found out I need to use "=y "+y :%y+ to yank into system clipboard
Found out my vim is compiled without clipboard support so I need to install gvim (and it conflicts with vim so I need to install gvim and uninstall vim)
Found out my installation is two years old and I need sudo pacman -Syu
Found out I have to create
mkdir ~/.gnupg
touch ~/.gnupg/dirmngr_ldapservers.conf
empty file for pacman -Syu to work

Everything is fine at this point, I delivered my vimrc

I rebooted the laptop.

warning: /lib/modules/4.8.12-3-ARCH/modules.devname -not found - ignoring
starting version 218
ERROR: device 'UUID=...' not found Skipping fsck.
ERROR: Unable to find root dvice 'UUID=...'.
You are being dropped to a recovery shell
type exit to try and continue booting
sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
[rootfs /]#

FUCKITALL

>>57981397
Please make yourself usefull or fuck off.

>>57981409
>x is a meme
learn the fucking definition of the word "meme" before constantly using it where it isn't applicable.
that being said arch is shit and shouldn't be used, just like noobuntu or mint.

>>57981409
Which Ubuntu flavor would you recommend other than vanilla Unity?

>>57981430
I'm on Arch, if it matters.

>>57981430
you didn't ask a question

>>57981450
maybe check out Ubuntu Mate

>>57981441
why is arch shit?

>>57981463
Sorry 'bout that. The question is: What's happened? Why is it, I just updated the system, why should it blow up in such unfriendly way? How do I fix it?

so soory for being a newb, but really what the fuck is a meme? is that like short for pepe?

>>57981468
Alright, thanks.

>>57981480
it's trolling people into "simple and lightweight" while it's actually the opposite

>>57981480
its a bloated piece of dogshit

>>57981502
lurk moar, newfag

>>57981480

people install it for the logo because it's cool to have installed a distro without installer

tfw tempted to build a shitbox for daily browsing but can't until Zen is out and prices for old CPUs might drop even more

>>57981525
So the same reason why people install Gentoo?

>>57981480
SJW distro for harrassed womyn.

>>57981490
can't imagine messing with vim had anything to do with it
but something's off with your initramfs

what i'd do;
- reboot and load up the fallback initramfs
- if you get the same prompt, manually mount your rootfs to /new_root and exit
- if that works, rebuild your initramfs with "mkinitramfs -p linux" (assuming stock kernel)

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>>57981525
This is why u install arch

What would be better? regarding making packages for personal use...
Puppy linux or slax?
For some reason 4 chan no longer allow me to post pics.
Good job Hiro.

>>57981525
how can you possibly know this?
also that didn't answer his question
the correct answer was >>57981506 and >>57981514

>>57981567
How do I defend myself against Arch hackers?

>>57981586
stay off the net

>>57981586
use something that helps against stack overflow (the only thing their capable off KEK)

I tried to install Directx9 with winetricks. But i got a fuck ton of errors during the install and Directx9 seems to be broken now. Applications tell me that i need Directx9 to run them.

But i dont know how to reinstall directx9, since if i try to install it again it says it already exists. I tried googling but it didnt really help.

Anyone know how to fix this?

>>57981525
>>57981543
like that shit still matters when people can just easily try it in a VM without any consequences

fucking up a gentoo install used to mean being without a computer for a while and you had no smartphone to continue shitposting with

>>57981567
Why is the aesthetics of Linux always so repulsive? Why can't they into flat design like Microsoft?

>>57981604
winetricks --force directx9

also, you should try "d3d9" before "directx9", the first installs only the common libraries, the latter runs the full installer, which you don't need most of the time

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>>57981586
install pentoo
http://www.pentoo.ch/

>>57981627
Linux is a kernel; it doesn't have aesthetics.

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>>57981658
all u poor fags cant afford a real distro.... WINDOWS

>>57981561
>can't imagine messing with vim had anything to do with it
Yeah it's not. The fact that I did pacman -Syu after 2 years of not updating anything matters I think.

thank you

>>57981650
>>57981604
oh yea, don't forget wine has an "add/remove programs" control panel item as well

wine control appwiz.cpl

>>57981671
GNU/Linux

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>>57981650
>d3d9
it should already be installed right? i can find it in the winecfg library.

But ever since i tried to install Dx9 with all the errors, i can no longer run anything.

>>57981692
i usually don't bother trying to fix broken wine prefixes, there's not really any clean way to remove things even on actual windows
this is one reason why i use a prefix for each program, if something fucks up, i can just delete that prefex and make it again, without affecting other programs

>>57981690
Nothing in the screenshot is a GNU project.

so g i messed up with my boot allocation and only gave it 100 megs. and now cant install the grsec kernel. is it easier to decrypt a drive and gpart, or just wipe and start over?

Are there any desktop environments that use vector fonts? Fonts that scale infinitely and do not get pixelated at huge sizes like regular computer fonts do?

>>57981804
Every DE uses vector fonts unless you're still running CDE.

>>57981727
Nothing in the screenshot is a kernel.

>>57981804
hello time traveller, everything uses vector fonts nowadays, you have to go out of your way to use bitmap fonts

>>57981804
>using blurry vector fonts
>not using pixel perfect bitmap fonts

Why aren't you following rms' rss feed?
https://stallman.org/rss/rss.xml

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thought of dx11 games on linux ?

>>57981938
>games
which games?
haven't played your game so wouldn't know.

>>57981938
>playing overwatch
>not wacking to overwatch r34
heh, always lowering my expections, hmmm /g/?

>>57981952
jacking off to video game characters isn't as good if you aren't familiar with the characters

>>57981935
because i'm not a leftist (I'm not mentally or socially disabled)

>>57981981
>isn't as good if you aren't familiar
so its better if you're familiar?
gotta verify that double negative on such a serious issue.

>>57982008
yes

>>57982008
yes. i can confirm it works the same way with anime.

>>57981935
But I do, anon.
>>57981992
You're stupid.

>>57982021
>>57982042
yeeeh

>>57982043
>You're stupid.
why is that?

>>57981935
>he is a c*rbyn supporter
I didn't think it was this bad. Thanks, now I know.

>>57981992
could you please already stop with your anti gnu, stallman sucks, sjwbian etc trash? it's not funny, it's simply annoying

>>57982138
When have I ever said that I'm anti-GNU?
I'm anti-FSF and anti-Stallman since I'm not mentally disabled aka left wing.

>>57982167
boo hoo muh left disabled :(
we don't care for politics here. go back to the politics board for discussing that please.

>>57975438

Fedora is fantastic for desktop use, it fills the gap between Debian and Arch

>>57982138
nah, you'll have to suck it up
go back to your shithole
im guessing you crawled out of leftypol right?
well, go back there and never visit this website again.
>>57982193
>he's in a far-left political thread and pretends to not be a leftist retard
nah, you won't trick me.
i'm staying here though, thanks.

>>57981166
kde widget
<=this
what is this widget; custom?

>responding to the bait
How new are you all?

>>57982212
>stormfag
now everything makes sense

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>>57982224
shit forgot pic
image attach ^

>>57982193
>boo hoo
>muh
I'm thinking this might be an immigrant from reddit. Even worse than leftypol, which is pretty hard to achieve.

>>57982234
>stormfag
i'm not a leftist though
i thought i made it very clear

>>57982236
a kde wallpaper on a xfce DE

>>57982257
Where did you got the idea that Free Software is a communism/leftism thing? Did you grow up under Steve Ballmer?

>>57982285
just stop responding, his stupid will suck you into a black hole

>>57982236
wtf? confusing

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>>57982285
Those were good times.
You had a clear enemy with Microsoft.

Now they're actively funding Linux development and you have self-called Linux enthusiast ruining it by pushing crap software like PulseAudio and crying about having choice.

>>57982212
i am leftist. my point still stands of not wanting political discussion here.

>>57982372
Not him, but you can't remove politics from any discussion. Politics is everywhere, everytime.

>>57982422
it doesn't have to reach the level of 'c*rbyn supporter :^)' or 'mentally disabled left wing', because it just isn't relevent to an operating system.

>>57982372
This isn't a political discussion. It's just a faggot, blindly insulting others because their choice of distro, software, rss feeds doesn't match his political views.

>>57982462
>implying forcing the anti-free software, anti-gnu, anti-stallman, anti-sjwbian memes and other trash is a "political view"
it's just an ordinary troll, lads
all he wants is to trigger you, and you're all falling for it

>>57982285
What do you mean by free software here? I don't think any open source software licensed under the GPL, BSD or MIT license is left wing. Stallman and the FSF both are though.
Yeah, you could say that since I'm not 15 years old like you. But I don't know much about him and I'm anti-microsoft.
>>57982301
Haven't I explicitly stated that I'm not left wing? I don't think I can harm him more than his current state.
>oh no, someone with a differing opinion better stop talking to him xD
Also laughed pretty hard at that one, this is why nobody takes you guys seriously.
>>57982350
Why do you always have to imagine yourself as a "fighter" against something?
>>57982372
Then remove the political figure from the OP and we have a deal. Until that point this thread remains political and I'm going to regularly post here about anti-left politics. I'm sure you will like it. I'll see if a few of my friends would enjoy this place as well since they like Linux too.
>>57982458
>it doesn't have to reach the level
It has to and it will.
>'mentally disabled left wing'
that's redundant.
>>57982462
How is that rss relevant to OS discussion? It isn't. Take your politics elsewhere if you don't want political discussion in this thread.
>>57982493
>he disagrees with me = he is a troll
Ok.

>meanwhile on microsoft
>"reeee, linux is communism"
>meanwhile on linux
>"reeee, gnu is communism"
>meanwhile on bsd
>comfy_pepe.png

>>57982503
>Why do you always have to imagine yourself as a "fighter" against something?
I don't.
It's just nice to have someone to hate and blame for everything that goes wrong.

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>>57982540
>Isn't it ironic that the proprietary software developers call us communists? We are the ones who have provided for a free market, where they allow only monopoly. If the users chooses this proprietary software package, he then falls into this monopoly for support. The only way to escape from monopoly is to escape from proprietary software, and that is what the free software movement is all about. We want you to escape and our work is to help you escape. We hope you will escape to the free world.

>>57982540
>>comfy_pepe.png
more like
>reeee no drivers

>>57982540
>meanwhile on microsoft
>"hey bsd, thanks for the code, very communism from you"

>>57982564
Yeah, that's very much like you guys.
>>57982565
>implying I disagree with any of this
>implying I'm a proprietary software developer
>>57982540
>>57982581
>reeee
Use the memes correctly, redditor. It isn't meant to be a simple expression of anger.

When i try to change the start button icon with a selfmade one i get this error
"Error on line 1 char 1: Document must begin with an element (e.g. <book>)"

>>57982721
ok

>>57982721
found out myself
don't need the help of autistic kids on g anymore

>>57982745
heh, rekt

>>57982745
why did you bother trying to get help from autists in the first place, autist?

>>57982786
cause I'm a leftist retard kek
i can't think for myself

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>>57981569
Anyone?

>>57982849
why is retard_tux_icon.png so popular?

>>57982866
It the logo of the "Just Linux" community.

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>>57982893
Nope, this is our official logo

>>57979553
From my limited knowledge, everything in the "tmp" folder gets deleted after you reboot, so I guess deleting the folder now shouldn't be an issue.

>>57982907
That's the kernel logo.

>>57982914
Is there something prohibiting it from being a logo of more than one thing?

>>57982922
well, why not use the firefox logo?

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>>57982907
no

>>57982941
because that's not relevent to linux or its community?

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>>57982954
>not posting the HD version

>>57982849
Just go with Slackware.

>>57982972
Oh, you're referring to the kernel developers community.

>>57982914
Right, so Linux logo

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>>57982866
Has no one ever made a sexy Tux logo?

>>57983008
how does firefox relate to linux?

>>57982989
Both are slackware based.
But none have a repo, and most devs doesn't compile applications for either.
So you'd have to compile from source, which defeat the purpose of modular design.

>>57983023
you're confusing the linux kernel with the linux operating system, tux is the logo of linux, the kernel, linux the operating system's logo is retard tux

>>57980649

haha ha what a funny joke mate, never been done before so original. You must be a hacker or something :D

>>57983023
It isn't are you stupid?
>>57983063
kek

>>57983063
I like this meme.

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>>57983015
asains made a whole cartoon

>>57983106
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>/a/

>>57982954
I am the chairman of said community and this is the official version >>57982907
>>57983118
>not liking and watching anime
>>>/r/eddit
just fucking close this site and never come back

>>57983106
not furry enough

>>57983118
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4FlL1FCbvA

>>57983131
eeeh? that's what you wanted?

dubs checkem: >>57983166

poster 57983118
go to link -> https://www.reddit.com/

>>57983181
clap clap clap clap

>>57983170
Wouldn't you rather have a cat girl than a girl with a retarded cat helmet on?

>>57983212
a catgirl; yes.
a penguingirl; pls no

>>57982540
>>meanwhile on bsd
>>cuckold license reeeeeee

>>57983302
What exactly is "cuckold" about it?

>>57983313
Unlike the GPL, the BSD license doesn't protect your code from companies taking it, making it proprietary, and selling it back to you. The BSD license basically allows you to watch while others are fucking with your code.

>>57983313
you watch some have sex with you wife... but you're not supposed to enjoy it ? even though its your fetish?

>>57983371
besides >making it proprietary,
companies can do the same with your GPL code.

>>57983371
"Your" code isn't your anymore if it's on another system. Unless you believe in bullshit like ip of course in which case you are retarded.
>companies taking it, making it proprietary,
That's fine though and it means the GPL is a more cucked license than BSD. I'll be sure to use BSD if I ever publish any software.

>>57983414
But it doesn't make you a cuckold.

>>57983425
>"Your" code isn't your anymore if it's on another system.
Your not in the sense of property, but in a sense of relatedness, like your children.

>>57983425
When I choose a free license, my goal is that the code for my program is free for everyone. Allowing others to take it and make it proprietary is the opposite of my initial goal.

>>57983433
You're not any less of a cuck just because the GPL forces them to grant sloppy seconds to everyone.

>>57983450
Nope, it has no relation to you if it's being used in other systems, especially if modified by another entity.
This of course assumes you don't believe in bullshit like ip. Do you believe in it?
>>57983470
You are contradicting yourself, how can you possibly be free if you can't do whatever you want with that piece of code?
The proprietary version of your code isn't your code, it's a modified and relicensed program based on your code. If you can't do whatever you want with a piece of code you aren't free, simple as that.

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>>57983265
>he doesn't want to have sex with birds5

>>57983500
>how can you possibly be free if you can't do whatever you want with that piece of code?

>how can you possibly be free if you aren't allowed to murder your neighbour?

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>>57983506
no thank you , i already have a waifu

>>57983500
Freedom is not doing whatever you want, it's not being a slave of anyone; living in freedom. If you support proprietary software (with your code), you support slavery.

new thread when?

>>57983500
>Nope, it has no relation to you if it's being used in other systems
It has a relation to me if I made it. I'm the author that's my relationship. Are you an autist or something.

>>57983576
see: >>57983181

>>57983542
>exerting some kind of unconsensual influence over another person is totally the same as doing what you want with a piece of code which is owned by you.
Good logic.
>>57983558
It's not my code though, you are literally retarded or you believe in ip(which is the same thing)
I do not own the code if I have publicly distributed it, I own that particular copy on my hard drive but once you download it to something that is physically owned by you it stops being mine, simple as that.
>>57983583
Yes, but it has no legal relation to you.

>>57983576
>>57983166

>>57983602
nobody said anything about ip or ownership, stop being stupid

>>57983602
>Yes, but it has no legal relation to you.
You wouldn't want your adult son to do drugs even if you can't legally stop him. If a license like the gpl prevents (legally, mind you) your code for being used to abuse users, than that's at least acceptable compromise (assuming I buy the nonexistence of ip, which I'm not convinced about) from an utilitarian standpoint.

>>57983660
>If a license like the gpl prevents (legally, mind you) your code for being used to abuse users
It doesn't

>>57983645
Your entire argument implies belief in ip. Which you haven't answered by the way, where do you stand on this issue?
If I transfer some code to you and you run it on your system it isn't my code anymore. It stops being my code once it reaches something physically owned by you.
>>57983660
I wouldn't want him to and I would try to influence him but I would have no right to stop him from doing so.
Changing code in any way can't possibly be defined as "abuse". If you think the gpl has anything to do with freedom you are being contradictory and inconsistent.

If it's like this guy says >>57983698 you literally have no point here, the gpl already does what it should do if it is even remotely related to freedom.

>>57983738
>Changing code in any way can't possibly be defined as "abuse".
Changing it an licensing under a proprietary license abuses the users freedom. And the code one supplied is being used as an instrument for that oppression.

>>57983779
This assumes it will have any users or it will have more than one user (the creator of it)
In no way does my freedom get "abused" if I license and run my own software under a proprietary license.

Also your freedom can't be abused if you chose to install it willingly and knowing that you can't see the source code. Your privacy might and probably will get abused, but anything that happens as a result of you installing proprietary software is your own responsibility and is a result of your own retardation.

You are using some kind of retarded definition of freedom where doing things to items you own is considered "unfree"

Answer this by the way - do you believe in IP?

>>57983858
>Answer this by the way - do you believe in IP?
Yes. Ip is abused but one has a small right to ones work (e.g. someone shouldn't be able to take credit for your work anymore than they're able to distribute malicious things under your name). In short term (~2-5 years) one deserves remuneration from innovation one comes up with to incentivize innovation. It's a restriction of freedom carefully made to pay for the costs of innovation. Right now it's been perverted to hell, and the name is misleading anyway, but the general idea is legitimate.
>Also your freedom can't be abused if you chose to install it willingly
Even if I choose to not run proprietary software, I can still be pressured in many ways to do so, most obviously as a job prerequisite. If such license was considered unethical an harmful, to the extent of precluding its usage with copyleft, we could have made the companies producing them compromise and release it under better terms. So we do have a ethical need to oppose it.

>>57983779
>oppression
lmao
go back to your shitty leftypol

>>57983996
I'm not talking about it being abused. The concept itself is utterly retarded.
>(e.g. someone shouldn't be able to take credit for your work anymore than they're able to distribute malicious things under your name).
Yes, that would be fraud. Nothing to with IP.
>It's a restriction of freedom
Then it's literal shit with no reason to exist.
>but the general idea is legitimate.
No, the idea of you owning an "idea" is literally retarded.
You don't infringe on anyone "intellectual property" by reproducing the exact vibrations of their vocal cords while they're whistling, they don't own the sound or the melody that comes out of them.
You can't own data or thoughts, you can only own physical manifestations of them, as in you don't own a program but you own the thing it runs on.
>I can still be pressured in many ways to do so, most obviously as a job prerequisite.
So your own choice? Leave the job then if this is such a problem to you. If you don't then you value the job more than not running any proprietary software, fair enough. Which is your own personal choice, why should everyone else be forced to not use proprietary software for you not to be "pressured" into using it?
It isn't unethical by itself and you haven't done anything to prove the opposite yet.
>to the extent of precluding its usage with copyleft,
>I believe in freedom but I think you should be prohibited from doing something with things you own"
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

>>57984151
>I believe in freedom but I think you should be prohibited from doing something with things you own"
Yes. In order to maximize the amount of freedom, restrictions of freedom are sometimes necessary, there are such things as indirect effects. I don't see what's so unusual about this.
>No, the idea of you owning an "idea" is literally retarded.
This is why I said the name is misleading. Maybe it would be better to call it something else? It's still a good mechanism for paying for the cost of research. (By the way this is also the reason I think researches at universities have much less rights to ip, they're already payed for it with taxes)

>>57984283
>In order to maximize the amount of freedom, restrictions of freedom are sometimes necessary,
No, how can you not see this as being contradictory? You are using some retarded definition if you think this is somehow possible.
Not being allowed to kill people isn't an imposition on your freedom since you didn't have that right to begin with.
>This is why I said the name is misleading. Maybe it would be better to call it something else?
It's the perfect name since the concept claims you have a right to "intellectual property" when such a thing doesn't even exist. You have a right to own property, you don't have a right to own thoughts. IP implies you literally own other people's brains if you think of something first and then someone thinks of the exact same thing.
>It's still a good mechanism for paying for the cost of research.
It's not though, it just slows down any possible new research which might have been done because you have to pay royalties

>>57984350
>It's not though, it just slows down any possible new research which might have been done because you have to pay royalties
Before patents, the usual way about this was by trade secrets, and that could slow research for decades. It's stated purpose is the acceleration of research. If it fails at this (it might, but I would need to see this with empirical research) then I would consider it harmful.
>No, how can you not see this as being contradictory? You are using some retarded definition if you think this is somehow possible.
I don't see the problem, honest. Seems like a standard game theoretic scenario.

>>57984465
>I don't see the problem, honest. Seems like a standard game theoretic scenario.
If you think maximizing x is preferable you can't possibly think that restricting x is an acceptable scenario. It's a contradiction since you are literally saying one thing and then doing the exact opposite.
>and that could slow research for decades
Same with ip, it's obvious that having to pay for "intellectual property" will slow down or even make certain research impossible.
> If it fails at this (it might, but I would need to see this with empirical research
The concept itself is utterly retarded, you can disprove it in your own head.
I hope you don't think going around and measuring circles to empirically research and prove that pi has the value it has is something worth doing.

>>57984580
>The concept itself is utterly retarded
I don't think so. So
>, you can disprove it in your own head.
I'm not convinced.
>Same with ip, it's obvious that having to pay for "intellectual property" will slow down or even make certain research impossible.
Yes. This is why I'm against the current terms. Copyright is something like the life of the author plus 70 years (and empirical research shows there was no gain from it, which I consider obvious but it's the honest way to proceed) So I consider the current terms harmful. Not the general idea obviously.
>It's a contradiction since you are literally saying one thing and then doing the exact opposite.
It seems we're not understanding each other,
if I forbid you from imprisoning bob, that's a restriction of freedom which has indirect consequence (bob's freedom) and is overall good.
This scenario is a bit contrived as you have nothing to gain from imprisoning bob and bob is a clear loser, but in standard game theoretic scenarios involving cooperation like the prisoner dilemma, the wrong incentives can make respectful and well intentioned parties act against their best interest. Changing the incentives by introducing restrictions is fairly pedestrian in such situations.

>>57984768
If the examples in my previous posts about the implications of ip as a concept sound completely logical and rational to you then you have some problems.
>Not the general idea obviously.
So the general idea of you owning something nonexistent is fine?

Your example presupposes that I have a right to imprison bob, which I don't. Which then means you haven't restricted anything since I did not have a right to go around and imprison or kill people in the first place.

>>57984872
>So the general idea of you owning something nonexistent is fine?
What do you mean nonexistent? it currently exists and it's enforced. Do you mean artificial? I don't put much stock in "natural rights" I'm an utilitarian.
Do you mean it shouldn't exist? Why?
So if it works for it's stated purpose I don't mind if it's artificial. Aside from the name being misleading I don't see what you've said against it. We could call it "the scheme for the incentivation of research" or CIR for short (I suck at names), the name is only important when it's misunderstood. Now the name has been misunderstood by the people in charge of setting the terms, so I agree that coming with a better name is probably important.
>Your example presupposes that I have a right to imprison bob
Say then, that you would imprison bob with his sayso (I'm not sure if that's legal, I think it is). Why would bob agree to that? You should probably do some reading on the prisoner's dilemma, that's the part of the picture you've given me the impression of missing.

JESUS CHRIST WHAT IS THIS!?!? seriously

>>57985378
Lel, license discussion. I see why people generally don't engage in it. Consider it a newbie scratching the itch. I've probably been cured of that for a while.

>>57979314
>can my mum be my gf
>cute boys
wtf man