Why are they trying to blame the Russians for the hacking? How

If there is a hacking anywhere in the world, 80% odds says a Russian did it. It's just what they do.

>>57929852
First question is irrelevant.

Second question can be answered by logs.

>>57929866

I beg to differ. That's what those squinty eyes rice patty eating fuckers do.

>>57929880

Chinese hack only whom their government tells them to hack.
In Russia, it's a sport.

jeez, they only want you to believe it was russians for their purposes.
have you read 1984?
wake up sheeple!

>>57929852
Anti-NATO man likes anti-NATO man

> Help me with my cartography homework plz Donald, I want to redraw Europe.

Sure, that why I'm the president

> Yeah that's right!

>>57929866
>i've never been to russia or cis countries

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>>57929852
They are just too prideful to accept it was a 400lbs NEET hacker living in their moms basement fueled by tendies and autism.

>>57929852
The US has been systematically eliminating all non ally governments in the middle east. The end goal is Iran, which both Israel and Saudi Arabia want destroyed.
Syria is left standing in their way, and also happens to be an ally of Russia.

The administration has been trying to grow anti Russian sentiment in the US so they'd have public support for hostilities against Russian forces in Syria.
They have been trying to lay the groundwork for WWIII.

Now that Trump is going to take over it won't be happening, and they're still butthurt about it.

>Trump claims theres voter fraud
>Obama laughs at him and says its impossible
>Hillary loses
>Now they're trying to claim Russia made Trump win through voter fraud

Typical shitlib behavior.

Trump is an unwitting Russian puppet.

>inb4 contrarian Putin-loving bootlickers

>>57929852
Because they do you fucking traitor. Letting the Russians pick your president for you. That's the ultimate cuckoldry

>>57929852
When Trump will be president, all the hacking will have been done by the chinese.

Fact is, noone can know for certain who hacked who. The only measurement is looking for certain code and hacking styles, and bind them to interests of certain countries.

But really, they can't know, so they just throw mud at a country that they want to villainify.

>>57929944
>Now they're trying to claim Russia made Trump win through voter fraud

If you had actually read the news, you'd know that's not what happened.

Instead, Russia selectively leaked DNC and Hillary campaign emails (while holding back hacked RNC emails), and put out tons of fake pro-Trump news, in order to dupe the American electorate into voting for Trump.

>>57929852
let's be honest it was either russia or china, and russia actually has motive

Obama knows that Trump is a dangerous man who wants war with Russia. Him being a racist, sexist, homophobe and islamophobe aside. Obama will do anything to stop him so Hillary can take over. She is by far more competent and honest than Trump.

>>57930014

China, on the other hand, would have motive to help Hillary. Trump made it abundantly clear how much he dislikes China.

>>57930006
You certainly are a good little brain washed goyim.
Stories about Russia being behind Wikileaks releases are "fake news" that Hillary's campaign started. There isn't a single shred of truth there.
Russia isn't behind the DNC being exposed as the lying, corrupt, filth that they are.

DNC staffers leaked those documents, and one of them was assassinated for it. Claiming that Wikileaks is in anyway compromised or controlled by Russia is pathetic, and shows you have no critical thinking skills whatsoever. You quite literally are brain washed.

>Everything that supports Hillary is the bible truth!
>Anything even remotely pro Trump is fake news!
>I'll just ignore all of the total fabrications put out by the Hillary campaign!

>>57930050
>You certainly are a good little brain washed goyim.

Hey, it's your guy who's an AIPAC/Likud puppet and will do anything to publicly kiss Netanyahu's ass.

>>57930032
>Trump wants war with Russia
u drunk?

>>57929852
>>57929866
>>57929874
>>57929955
>>57929965
>>57930006
>>57930014
>>57930032
>>57930038
Brainwashed ameritards. They really teach you in burgerland how russians want to take over your floating island, and idiots actually belive it.

>>57930074
Non-Jewish Trump supporters are literally cucked goyim.

>>57930074
>actually believing Hillary isn't bought and paid for by Israel and Saudi Arabia like every other president in recent history
>when the money shes taken from the Saudis is public fact
>and her relationship with Bibi is well documented going back years

Yep, you are literally brain washed.
I didn't vote for Trump by the way. I didn't vote at all.

>>57929852
A ты нe вepишь им?

>>57929866
This isn't Counter Strike fag

>>57930135
No. A fucking php-monkey in the USA earns something around 90K USD a year, it's about 450K RUR a month. Who the fuck will stay in that shithole helping Putin with Russian salaries.

>>57929874
>Second question can be answered by logs.
basically this. honestly how can people on /g/ be so clueless that they don't have a vague grasp of computer forensics? this is like expressing disbelief at genetic testing. maybe you didn't learn about it in high school, but it's a whole thing that scientists have gone and become experts in.

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>>57929852
It's all media stuff, they're just trying to distract themselves from how BTFO Democrats got.

>>57929852
It's an easy all powerful boogeyman that you can blame all your problems on. Cold war tensions are still hot.

because they know when trump gets in, he has the backing of patriots in the fbi and theyre going to investigate all the crooks and child molesters all over our government and the whole system is going to explode. its to be expected theyd try this, their lives are on the line.

>>57930202
lol ok

There's a lot at stake.

>Trump wins
>Trump is friendly with Putin
>Putin has a blank check to do whatever he wants on the eastern hemisphere
>Ukraine is now a Russian territory

I mean really, Russia could annex every country around it and unite all the countries that were part of the former USSR. Clinton would never allow that to happen. So the question is, why wouldn't Russia want to get involved in the election?

>>57929874
>Second question can be answered by logs.

Logs? Seriously?

"Hackers" do not expose their ip or location. Logs would never know which country the attack came from.
With all of the pen testing I have done, I have always bounced my ip through a Russian proxy for the last hop.

>>57930006
>Instead, Russia selectively leaked DNC and Hillary campaign emails (while holding back hacked RNC emails), and put out tons of fake pro-Trump news, in order to dupe the American electorate into voting for Trump.

russia didnt leak anything, people within the fbi and dnc did. they killed one of them off named seth rich, wikileaks themselves offered a reward for info about his murder.

>>57930210
Isn't russia military very crippled right now and they rely on rusted and obsolete military technology and planes and tanks from the soviet era?

>>57930177
>Who the fuck will stay in that shithole helping Putin with Russian salaries.
Someone who will be well paid by the oligarchs or mafia?

>>57929852
by getting the NSA to ha-- i mean determine legally that that is the case

>>57929944
Pol is thataway.

>>57930006
>Instead, Russia selectively leaked DNC and Hillary campaign emails
While CNN gave Hillary questions in advance.

Russia didn't even need to leak anything,
USA does a good enough job as self-sabotage.

>>57929852
They have netflow data for the entire planet, and in some cases full packet captures into multi-day ring buffers.

That way you can track packets entering and leaving a computer node -- and trace the "behind 12 proxies" to the source.

Not sayin' it is true, though.

>>57930217
>russia didnt leak anything, people within the fbi and dnc did.

Got any evidence for that or is it just more wishful thinking pulled out of your/Alex Jones's fat ass?

>>57930222
Good enough to take over Crimea

>>57930214
>hackers

>>57930245
Who is to say none of the Republican primary candidates also had a media insider to give him debate questions in advance?

All we know is what the Russians have decided we should know.

>>57930182
Not sure if you are trolling or genuine retarded?

>>57930214
it's amazing how certain neophytes are that their countermeasures are sufficient. it's like the dunning-kruger effect is everywhere

>>57930251
yea i have evidence: wikileaks themselves offered money for info about his murder and insinuated he was a source. now wheres your evidence about the russian boogeyman? your side is the one going around asking to be believed after all.

>>57930202
future pizzeria shooter ITT

>>57930288
That never happened.

>>57930182
>basically this. honestly how can people on /g/ be so clueless that they don't have a vague grasp of computer forensics?
Because most everyone with an opinion about it are political ideologues or conspiracy theorists who believe in all sorts of things regardless of research or forensics.

>>57930277
evidence for your claim? oh you have none. bt we do have full evidence the dnc rigged the elections, the debates, and even that bernie was in on it. too bad for you :)

>>57930295
Hello, CTR.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/wikileaks-offers-reward-in-killing-of-dnc-staffer-in-washington/2016/08/09/f84fcbf4-5e5b-11e6-8e45-477372e89d78_story.html

>>57930280
considering that you don't seem to know how to use an adverb or whether your post was a statement or a question, it might be more helpful for you to reflect on the possible merit of posts you don't immediately agree with or understand. it's probably more likely that you just don't understand than anything else is.

>>57930313
So retarded it is.

>>57929880
>not the hacker 4chan

>>57930288
>now wheres your evidence about the russian boogeyman

Literally everything that the American intel community has reported since the middle of this year. Are you going to say they're all in Hillary's pocket too, now?

>>57930319
it's not a great tactic to self-diagnose, anon, but start from there and get help, buddy

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>>57930186
>It's all media stuff, they're just trying to distract themselves from how BTFO Democrats got.
Being in this much denial

>>57930327
>everything
oh wow thats some good evidence you got there CTR

>>57930329
I was not the one who posted retarded statment exposing own complete ignorance of the subject and making idiot of myself. But keep posting.

>>57930341
lol okay, buddy

>>57930336
Whatever you say, Evgeniy/Mordechai.

>>57930334
>haberman
>fake news
cmon you can do better than that

>>57930225
Fair enough. It could be a one-time deal with international pros.

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>>57929852
>Why are they trying to blame the Russians for the hacking?
They're still in denial that Hillary lost. They believed all their stupid polls that said Hillary had a 99% chance of winning because they samples Democrats as half the electorate. Hillary lost so it must be the Russians that caused it.

DNC whistleblowers and the FBI are exposing the child molester "spirit" party cult within the government by releasing their own emails and they are scared shitless. I can't wait until President Trump gives the go ahead to put all of them on trial for treason.

>>57930214
I second this. I'm not a pentester because I'm no white chicken shit hat. I do things my way.

But I usually use Tor over a stolen WiFi to connect to a compromised machine, and SSH tunnel from that to one of many compromised servers.

Even still, my exploit system and initial reverse connect shells aren't the same as the other servers C2.

Logs only reveal my initial exploit server which I know will be caught. No fucking point.

wait are there still people here who think the child molester shit was real? how do you people drive cars and dress yourselves and stuff?

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>>57930350
Open any news website and check who's gonna be in Trump's government. 70% lobbyists and the rest is a bunch of neocon generals and jews.

>>57930415
>10 cents per post to cover up the child sex trafficking within the DNC

>>57930387
>voter fraud

>>57930404
if you think the last hop is the only thing a nation state can investigate, i think you're getting ahead of yourself with the whole white hat/black hat thing. you're more of a pink fedora.

>>57930415
Prove it's not real ;^)

>>57930270
That's why I used quotes

>>57930434
as hard as it is to believe, i'm genuinely worried about the state of people who don't realize pizzagate was the fever dream of some john nash wannabes.

>>57930446
prove you can dress yourself without your parents or a nurse helping you

>>57930432
>open up fake news who said hillary had a 95% chance of winning
no thanks. ill just wait for trump himself to list the people and why he picked them.

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>>57930466
yes we all know how worried your boss Soros is, he is paying you to post after all.

>>57930006
proofs faggot

>>57929852

they are just butthurt losers (democrats, cia and mainstream media)

Why?

>Democrats
They lost the election and are butthurt

>CIA
Trump is gonna put an end to CIA proxy wars in other countries

>Mainstream Media
They lost the election and are butthurt

>>57930277
>Who is to say none of the Republican primary candidates also had a media insider to give him debate questions in advance?

common sense. anyone with even the slightest shred of intellect could easily see which way the scales were being tipped

>>57930442
Which is why I took precautions before the last hop dipshit. I take precaution on all 7 layers.

Keep being an illiterate.

>>57929874
>Hey Putin let's hack the us and be really really not stealthy about it by doing it out of russia because we totally don't have the funds to send a bunch of people to some shithole to do it from there.

>>57930558
Hillary won by over 2.5 million votes (and counting). Suck shit, Trump Chump.

>>57930586
These fuckers don't know what layers are.
The more time I spend on g the more I realize how tech illiterate they are.

Because Russians are mostly white males, and white males are evil.
Just like the white males who voted for Trump.

If Democrats and liberals weren't so obsessed with insulting, degrading, and generally waging a Jihad against white males, Trump would never have won.
But they couldn't help themselves to stop insulting white males, and the white males decided "enough is enough, have my middle finger you fucking shits, i'm voting for Trump and this is my way of throwing a brick out the window".
And now they are still waging a war of hate against the white males, and they are still gonna continue losing since condescending self-righteous hate is all they are capable of.

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>>57930623
that doesn't mean shit because we're not a democracy you fucking retard

>>57930210
being friendly with putin doesn't mean sucking his cock you idiot

and yes you are right clinton would never allow that to happen she would just go and start ww3 but that would be ok as long as we don't even concider to act like civilized people towards other stateleaders

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>>57930623
Nice consolation prize.

>>57930634
>MUH WHITE GENOCIDE

>HELP I'M BEING TRIGGERED. THE MEAN LIBRUHLS AND SCARY BROWN PEOPLE ARE SAYING BAD STUFF ABOUT ME. I NEED MY BREITBART SAFE SPACE.

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>>57930653

Because they fucking did it. I voted for trump but it's naive to believe the election wasn't influenced by russia.

>>57930637
But you are a democracy you stupid fuck.
You are a democratic UNION. You are not a democratic nation-state, but a democratic UNION.
You are a FEDERATION OF STATES.
That means that STATES VOTE, and NOT the GENERAL POPULATION.
The electorate ensures that MINORITY STATES ARE REPRESENTED.
It ensures that MINORITIES ARE PROTECTED.
It ensures that FEW STATES WITH THE BIGGEST POPULATION DON'T FOREVER DICTATE, AND ESTABLISH A TYRANNY, OVER THE OTHER 45 STATES.

That's by any and all definitions, DEMOCRACY WITHIN A UNION.

If you don't like it, then you have to change the name of the country from USA to something else, and make it a nation-state, and rearrange all the borders and political divisions.

>>57930681
proofs

>>57930681
>influenced
just as it is influenced by that random fag on youtube
it's irrelevant as long as nothing illegal happened

>>57930689
>rearrange all the borders and political divisions.

Nah, Republicans already did that after 2012.

>>57930689
>what is a constitutional republic

>>57930653
You sure are doing a good job convincing anyone to vote your way anon.
Oh wait!

>>57930634
Slavs are considered white now? Things sure have changed.

>>57929852
Because the USA is always looking for a scapegoat instead of admitting that they are just that fucking stupid.

Some kid shoots up the school? blame it on rock music and video games.

>>57930707
>something with its own meaning that doesn't substitute or invalidate a federation of states type division, or a union if you will

Are you retarded anon?

>>57930729
how is this applicable to the overall popular vote?

oh wait, it's not

>>57930724
>blame it on rock music and video games.
That's so 90s anon. The 2016 way is to blame it on whites or the alt-right or nazis or whoever is the big evil right wing boogeyman.

>>57930740
It is, since a popular vote is only relevant in nation states and not federal republics.
A constitutional republic can work for both nation states and federal republics and unions.
Are you still gonna keep being retarded on a semantic level?

>>57930755
I'm pretty sure we agree here, so no. It's all good famalamasenpai

>>57929852
Nice apologist thread Ivan you get some bread and heating oil tonight.

>>57930251
>burden of proof fallacy
hey retard, how about you start by proving it's actually russians?

>>57930327
That's not evidence senpai

Where is the evidence?

>>57930387
Where did she even get 1.3 billion dollars? Some people work their entire lives and never earn that much.

reminder that wikileaks is /compromised/ and assange has info about trump before he went into hiding/got killed by russians

>>57929944
>The end goal is Iran, which both Israel and Saudi Arabia want destroyed.
What a nice alliance will be this. :^)

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>>57930923
rich oil sand niggers

>>57930479
Real talk, all you guys who supposedly knew Trump was gonna win all along, how do you claim that you knew this? Gotta admit I for one thought that while he might pull a surprise victory, his chances were overall low all the way through. Were there some secret honest polls that none of the news agencies were reporting or something? Or were your predictions just based on /pol/ and your personal acquaintances saying they would vote for Trump?

>>57930653
Good job on proving his point

Please keep it up, this attitude will ensure you'll keep losing elections

>>57930967
nobody knew that trump was going to win, people that say that are memeing you hard

it's just that, looking back, it's clear WHY he won even though the polls said he shouldn't. the general feel on /pol/ / the_donald was that clinton was gonna win back when he was polling at like 8%

>>57930967
because it's incredibly difficult to go three terms in a row for either party. elections are about change, and Hillary was the exact opposite of that. leftist retards pushing shit way too far too fast and reactionary culture pushback against all that. etc etc etc

>>57930984
Yeah honestly it seemed to me that even Trump thought he was going to lose right up until the end, going by the general tone of his Twitter and stuff he said.

>>57930967
it was obvious to anyone following closely that trump would win if they couldnt rig it hard enough against them. that was basically his only losing condition.

>>57930967
That's not what they're saying though

They're saying the MSM who all constantly posted what was, in hindsight, obviously false polls can't be trusted on anything relating to Trump

You didn't have to predict a Trump victory to see how corrupt most of the media is

>>57931002
But what I'm asking is WHY was it obvious? What data did you have that I didn't? Yeah it's easy to say after the fact that you knew it all along, and maybe you even did expect things to turn out this way, but I'm genuinely curious if there was something leading up to this that made it easy to predict that so many people just missed.

>>57931005
Yeah, I'm not denying that the polls were bullshit. But that still doesn't explain how people like >>57930997 found it so "obvious" that Trump in fact had the lead. If the only polls you have are bullshit ones then what are you using to make these kinds of predictions?

>>57930993
desu if it wasn't for the e-mails clinton would've won, with or without the stuff that got piled on trump near the end

both of the candidates were fucking garbo, but the air of distrust is what cost clinton undecideds who went for trump/3rd party. maybe trump would've won because of the working class, but i feel many of them voting for "not clinton" so idk

any other republican candidate would've stomped clinton hard

any other democratic candidate would've stomped trump hard

>>57931037
Meant to quote >>57931002

>>57931026
i didnt know it all along. i thought it was equally possible he would lose via rigging. aside from that, its clear he had the most energy behind his campaign: the giant rallies with 35,000 people and hillary only getting hundreds of people, the real hillary scandals compared to trumps' manufactures scandals about how he "said something offensive," etc.

>>57930341
Lol are you sure?

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>>57931002
>>57931005
>D+10 sample
>Hillary +2

>>57931026
L.A. Times Daybreak polling was pretty accurate imo. nearly every other single poll massively over-sampled Democrats, women, and minorities. they were almost entirely predicated on the 2012 turnout, which was ridiculous

>>57931005
wasn't breitbart even polling clinton to win when trump was sitting at 5% or w/e his low point was near the end?

>>57931057
was daybreak the one where they gave a single black dude 12% of the poll or something? i know some LA times poll did that

>>57931037
It wasn't obvious for me so i don't know

I was just responding to the part about not trusting anything from MSM which was the post you quoted

Can't help with the other senpai, sorry

>>57930479
That's a sad denial.

>>57931040
Disagree. The hatred for Clinton is deeply rooted over decades, and people would have turned out massively to stop her either way. The hatred for Trump is only 18 months old, completely fabricated, and it actually ended up giving him just as many supporters too as people got fed up with it.

Rubio probably would have won, but Cruz would have been slaughtered. A Trump v Sanders primary would have been a win for the American people, but the Dems have a little more work to do before they're able to completely blow up their party like Trump just did to the Republicans.

>>57929880
>rice patty
Allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality. I have a sick sense when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of moral righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go.

>>57931060
No idea but looking at the actual result it's pretty clear the people making the polls are extremely incompetent at best

Given the shit leaked about MSM and Hillary, like getting questions in advance, i lean towards them being corrupt liars

>>57931086
Yea, i mean the MSM have proven to be totally reliable and not pushing any agenda right?

>>57931099
> it's pretty clear the people making the polls are extremely incompetent at best
theyre not incompetent. the left gains all their power from social engineering, lying, coordindating "fake news" stories, getting people fired from their jobs for being politically incorrect while they define the term, etc. theyve done it for decades, theyre only losing their grip now because of the internet.

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>>57931099
>>57931105

>>57931098
You had me going for the first 2 sentences

>>57931114
Oh i absolutely believe they're completely corrupt

>>57931117
>statistics aren't science
Well, the problem here is that the polls were fake not that you can't do reasonably trustworthy polls. I'm sure they thought they would get away with it because they were so sure Hillary would win, in which case most people wouldn't question them

>>57930572
Yep. To add to this they were even being tipped against trump from high-profile cuckservatives within his own party.

>but russians tipped the election in favor of trump!
>using romanian clickbait sites!
>when the actual current US president used taxpayer dollars to campaign for hillary!

damn those russians for their schemes to ruin a fair and balanced election

>>57931057
>>D+10 sample
>>Hillary +2
That's not even bad by this year's (((polls))) standards. Remember that poll that had Clinton winning Arizona by one or two points that had a +34 dem 70% female sample?

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>>57931159

>>57931079
the problem is all media is garbage

msm is corporate-controlled far-left bias, but alt sites like breitbart or infowars or w/e are sponsor-controlled far-right bias. stuff in the middle doesn't exist in america. maybe newspapers in 3rd world countries would be unbiased, who knows. trust pure press releases and audio/video footage i guess.

>>57931087
undecideds don't hate clinton THAT much though

you'll have your republicans that can't stand the clintons ofc, but most of the people i know that voted for trump did it because of the e-mail stuff, not because the_donald's lock her up mentality

clinton lost because of the e-mails leaking out and poor ground game in swing states towards the working class

i mean fuck, trump should've been decimated by the working class but clinton's game there was so weak they went for him. those same people hated Romney with a passion for laying off some workers years before the 2012 election and being a mormon, but the ground game was so poor that a new york billionaire who laid off more and isn't that religious (might be wrong on this)

literally knew a guy who did house-to-house polling in alabama for the dems in 2012. went to some crazy dude's house and when asked who he's voting for he said "well, if i had to pick between a nigger and a mormon, i guess i'll go for the nigger"

It's just the current bogeyman

a few years ago it was always the Chinese hackers
and before that the North Koreans

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>>57931197
>undecideds don't hate clinton THAT much though

the Democrats somehow managed to make a billionaire playboy the underdog. He connected with the average Joe Blow on the street much more than the career politician, end of story.

>>57931228
it's just weird to see joe blow go for trump, since joe blow probably voted against romney in 2012. i get why mr. blow went for him over clinton though

>>57929944

Despite your dubdubs, you have decided to make up your own narrative rather than read the actual report. You are a nincompoop.

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>>57931260
politics are downstream from culture, and people were at their wit's end with all this political correctness bullshit. I very much believe this

>>57931260
Romney wasn't able to connect with Joe Blow because he's not a crass, vulgar, ignorant boor like Trump.

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>>57931260
it's also because Dems/libs have resorted to name calling since they can't defend their retarded policies like importing intolerant mudslimes and tranny bathroom executive orders

see >>57931294

>>57931294
He was an ignorant boor, but at least not a crass and vulgar one.

>>57930957
she's still for universal healthcare
she just can't campaign on it because that position isn't popular

>>57931281
>>57931317

i mean for people online and college campuses maybe? but the pc stuff is from here and reddit, literally nobody irl cares about political correctness unless it goes against their beliefs, and that only really happened with gay rights and trans peoples in the last 8 years.

people are still as brash as 20 years ago, nobody actually feels demonized. maybe it's because i live in the south and expect to see 50 confederate flags and lifted pickup trucks on a 30 minute drive, idk

that line of reasoning makes sense, but i really don't think it matters that much to the public

>>57930130
So you're the lazy piece of shit that let this happen?

>>57931317
>resorted to name calling
>intolerant mudslimes
>tranny bathroom
lololololol

>>57929852
>for the hacking
you are implying there was a hack. we dont know for sure. i would be more concerned about the "CIA secret assignment"

>>57931351
t. ahmed

it doesn't take a genius to see that siding with 3rd world savages over white Christian evangelicals was the death blow to the Democratic party. have fun never winning another election again

>>57931367
>3rd world savages
lolololol
and they say Trump didn't win because racism

>>57929895
Then why have the skype accounts of people I knew who havnt logged on in years turned into chinese spambots, not russian?

>>57931404
not a race. it's a culture which cannot be assimilated

>>57931367
2020 is probably going to another repub unless the dems pull something out of their bag of tricks (trump isn't getting re-elected unless he cools down and impresses people), but 2024 will likely go dem

dems sided with black people in 1968 and they got stomped the next two elections (to sweaty nixon of all people) and permanently lost the formerly democrat south but still won in 1976 and have done well enough afterwards

>nominate an uncharismatic candidate with tons of political baggage
>lose election
>act surprised

Trump probably isn't going to get another 4 years unless he does a really good job or the democrats manage nominate a candidate that is somehow worse than hilary.

>>57931437
>2020 is probably going to another repub unless the dems pull something out of their bag of tricks (trump isn't getting re-elected unless he cools down and impresses people),
clearly you have no idea what you're talking about
such a situation is never going to happen

>>57930967
>see media lie
>see media magically pull landslide win polls out of their ass
>see popularity of the rallies of trump/hillary
it seemed pretty obvious to me especially seeing how the propagandaminestry had to lie so much

>>57931426
Let's bomb the Germans/Irish/Japanese/Koreans nonstop over multiple generations, engendering mass resentment against the U.S. and see how well they assimilate into American culture.

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>they got stomped the next two elections (to sweaty nixon of all people)

Nixon was a paranoid crook, but he did do lot of good shit in office.

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>>57931467
>Trump sets Republican primary record turnout
>he has no support! he has no ground game!

>>57931479
it has nothing to do with there ethnicity and everything to do with their backwards 8th century worldview

>>57931479
If they hate America maybe they shouldn't move here.

>>57931467
>Trump claims that the media tells nothing but lies for months on end
>some people fall for it
>media reports on the polls
>the polls happen to be wrong
>trump wins
>these people are now convinced forever that all professional media outlets are lie machines
wow, trump may have already destroyed this country
and he's not even president yet

>>57931453
which one of the three?

2020 going repub will probably happen if dems don't do something or if trump doesn't get gud

2020 going trump isn't going to happen unless he gets reagan approval or another 9/11 / public approved war happens, i really don't see him playing good with the working class by next election

2024 going dem will p r o b a b l y happen unless the dems fuck up/the 2020 repub does real well. the US tends to not stick to a single party for more than two terms

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>>57930112
Actually, is because we speak different languages and have different cultures, according to some Russian friends allot of people view all American websites to be phishing sites full of viruses they think we're all hackers with future technology.
It's easy for an English speaker to understand why "100% working full version cracked skinnypuppy.mp3" is not the link you wish to click; take an American and put them on a Russian website and it's the same thing.
You almost need to have someone to act as a guide.

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>>57931515
>Trump claims it's rigged
>wins
>Democrats claim it's rigged

it's called hedging your bets, retard. destroying media credibility was part of the plan the entire time

>>57931515
>implying i care for a lying politicians opinion
senpai i did not do such a thing i looked at what was reported and it didn't fit into the things i saw
thus i deduced that it had to be a lie

>media not a lie machine
i'd love to be this naive

>>57931505
>it has nothing to do with there ethnicity and everything to do with their backwards 8th century worldview

It's certainly not due to endless war, mass poverty and theocratic rule, right?

Christianity never had its own period of ghastly medieval atrocities, right?

>>57931528
>which one of the three?
the fact that you think 2020 will go republican, but not Trump
the only possible way that the republicans do not nominate the sitting president is if he dies or he personally chooses not to run again
so, he has to die for another republican other than Trump to be president in 2020

>>57931538
Lolno, it's just american brainwashing.

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>>57931556
go back to western civ 101 faggot

so much false information in this thread Trump created a culture of fear towards brown people and capitalized on propaganda to push that agenda.

He lied to worthless lazy white people in Republican states promising a renewal of 1950s style America that is never coming back. These people believed him because they regularly vote Republicans into their state and local legislatures that do nothing but work against them in every aspect of their lives for the super rich which use the state to line their pockets at the expense of said people. Look at Ohio as an example a literal shithole that is going to need to be bailed out because of Republican mismanagement.

If you look at some of these crazy posts above in this thread the boogeyman is the left libs or libtards whatever you want to call them. In reality they hate people that work through logic and reasoning and use facts in arguments. Republicans are so wacked out of their minds and dead set against changing their positions they are embracing dictators like Putin and Duterte. Openly destroying the foundations of the democracy they live in. Examples be voter suppression and false claims of voter fraud and the disenfranchised of brown people from the voting roles ie numerous states across America..

The cherry on top though is all the lies they created and projection to make Hillary Clinton seem corrupt the very person that would be a check and balance against Republicans and the person who's policies would actually help them. Republicans as of today are traitors working for willfully at the top levels of our govt as an arm of the Russian oligarchy. Examples being all the cabinet positions Trump has announced that have close ties to Russian businesses and govt.

Republican voters are so misinformed and blind they can no longer make rational decisions. This site has it's head so far up it's ass about Trump you have to take every persons post that praises him with a grain of salt.

>>57931583
>Look at Ohio as an example a literal shithole

this is why you lost, but you're too stupid to see it

>>57931555
at least 99% of all of the facts I see reported on the news are 100% accurate
and when they are wrong, most of the time they come out with a correction at some point
resulting in over 99% accuracy rating

how the Fuck you see the same news I see (because you say ALL MSM are professional liars) and come up with your opinion boggles the mind

>>57931570
Brain washing isn't a thing
>all media "VOTE HILLERY ! LOL TRUMP BTFO NO CHANCE.
>trump wins
>media flips shit because they really believed they had control.

Ask yourself, how can you believe everyone in the world except your "special snowflake self" is brain washed?
You're an idiot.

>>57931558
yeah i guess, but i have doubts the voters will accept him. he won because of the working class, but i do have doubts he'll appeal to them during his time in office

we have 4 years until that election so it's far, far too early to call. trump does have the chance to lose re-election as the sitting president if he fucks up. repubs would be better off with a new repub candidate if they can, but trump would stomp the primaries, so

>>57931486
looking back yeah i guess, the dem he was running against for his second term was worthless

it's just that it's easy to compare the 1960 election and the 1968 election, even though they're years apart.

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>>57931606
.>>57931611

>>57931570

>the media is brainwashing people!
>trump, the candidate the media was rallying against, won the election

okay

>>57931611
>his country has less parties in parliament than North Korea
>thinks (((elections))) were not planned to end like this from the beginning
>being this brainwashed

>>57931619
but anon, she WAS far ahead in the polls. they weren't wrong at the time

her average polling put her at like 90% chance to win. this was right before the polls starting getting tighter

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>>57931628

>those pieces labeled "opinion"
>FUCKING MEDIA IS BRAINWASHING THE COUNTRY TO VOTE HILARY THIS IS WON TRUMP LOST EVEN THOUGH HE DIDN'T

>>57931606
>99%
sure and you are able to check those 99% right?
i can only speak for myself but if i see any reporting on something i can actually check i see it being either completely wrong or a warped version of what it is

now why should i give them the doubt that they are not doing the same on the 99.99% of other things i can't check

>>57931611
You believe that popular voting had any meaning in your free country? Well then, brainwashing really is effective.

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>>57931643
F A K E N E W S

>>57931619
they literally reported on the polls that they got
and they were accurate in their reporting
they didn't make up the polls themselves

if you think that was a conspiracy
then you think that all those universities faked their polls, and all those independent polling organizations faked their polls
and if you think that, then there's no reasoning with you

>>57931601
I didn't lose anything a Trump presidency effects me the least because Iam the least vulnerable of America. If you are poor, middle class, live in places like Ohio or any rust belt and southern states a Trump administration is your worst enemy.

I understand what you're saying though that Democrats/Clinton/liberals/libtards/left the boogeyman lost because they didn't focus on these areas but that is untrue she did and her policies reflected it. Republican voters just can't see past their blind hatred of brown people and the culture of fear radio hosts and fake news bombards them with on a daily basis.

>>57931659
That's some nice solipsism you got there, pal. Mind if I borrow some of your tin foil?

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>>57931628
>twitter
>buzzFeed
What awesome sources of opinions!
At the end of the day they're also just opinions; use reality and the world around you as a guide, not noise from another's mouth.

You think with how bad the democrats have been they'll dissolve into a new party by 2020? It could happen, the whig party doesn't exist anymore.

>>57931665
but anon, he WAS trailing in Michigan and Wisconsin on the 31st of October in practically all polls. they weren't wrong at the time

>>57931684
>>57931648

>he thinks the media hasn't always been biased

underage detected

>>57931628
I watched the whole speech live
it was dark as fuck, dude
how is that fake news?

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>>57931678
>Republican voters just can't see past their blind hatred of brown people

never change, retard

>>57931642
North Korea, is Korea without American influence.
South Korea, is Korea with American influence.
Where would you rather live between the two?

>>57931556
>endless war, mass poverty
Huh, where are all of the taiwanese suicide bombers entering europe and shooting up airports?

>Christianity never had its own period of ghastly medieval atrocities
Christianity, fortunately, has adapted to the modern day. Also to christianity's benefit is the fact that the ideal role model put forward by christianity isn't a polygamist pedophile who orders war against nonbelievers and delivers "prophesies" which grant him special permission to marry 9 women, rape female captives even if they're married, have sex slaves, etc.

>>57931678
>A republican made slavery illegal
>Up till mid 20th century, the democrats were the actual racists and the republicans were more like democrats.
>still falling for the forced meme the republicans are ebil racists.

>>57929866
You are a silly man.

>mfw /g/ is full of cucks

>>57931646
>... you're strong and you can handle it
>... but a lot of people can't handle it
I agree with those news headlines. He clearly did imply that those who have PTSD are weaklings.

>>57931713
Nice name calling.

Would you admit mexicans/immigration and muslims/refugees were not a big part of this last election cycle I mean we are on 4chan and there is a board named /pol that pretty much championed "build the wall" and "rapefugees" 24/7. Are you disputing that didn't happen on this very website? Did Donald Trump never talk about these things at his rallies?

>>57930334

SO what? A person's dominate expertise, from a place like Goldman Sach's, will be utilized. Why demonize the people who work there? There skills can be used for good depending on the leadership involved. These are talented people.

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>>57931748
Republicans didn't win this election for Trump, independents did. Calling everyone you disagree with a racist does nothing to help you win

>>57931746
>someone breaks their leg and doesn't cry
>can't call them "strong" because it's insulting to people who did

I agree that the "not strong" statement wasn't well thought out in the face of MSM language police, but that doesn't mean the line of reasoning isn't retarded.

>>57931775
Don't forget about democrats that were so fed up with the party they voted republican.

>>57931689
doubt it.

a reshuffle of power is happening atm, but they are gonna stick around

the whig party fell due to inner-party politics over slavery, since southern whigs loved slavery, northern whig businessmen didn't care about slavery, and northern whig voters didn't want slavery. northern whigs flocked to the then republican party. the kansas-nebraska act killed off the rest of the party

the whigs had far, far more inner-party issues than the dems do atm

>>57931730
1800s repub party was born from the northern states hating slavery. after the civil rights act in the 1960s, most of those racist dems went to repub since a dem president passed the act and they were fucking pissed. the south voted nearly entirely democratic until that act passed, now they're largely republican.

those racist dem leaders and most of the voters are pretty much all dead at this point, and now the repub leaders appeal to the south

neither of the parties are comparable to what they were 100 years ago.

>>57930006
Fuck off you spineless cunt, how do you people live with yourself when you know you're spewing factless garbage.

>>57931689
Everyone thought Trump's predicted loss would cause the GOP to tear itself apart between the establishment and the blue-collar/trailer park loonies.

Instead, the loonies are about to get a nice four-year-long assfucking from the silver-spoon New York celebrity playboy billionaire they were dumb enough to believe was on their side.

The Dems' challenge now is to build up a new stable of fresh faces for 2020 that will convince enough people to actually go out and vote and not stay home like they did this year.

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>>57930006
Assange says otherwise.

>>57931098
You got sloppy at the end, but I lol'ed nun the less.

>>57931802
Assange is probably dead and WikiLeaks has been compromised, but surprisingly not by the dems.

>>57931689
Sadly, no. I'd love to see it happen. I'd vote for a party which supports education, the environment, *and* constitutional rights in a heartbeat.

Instead, we'll definitely see a doubling down on the "everyone who disagrees is an uneducated white male racist", "we need the black/mexican/muslim vote", etc.

>>57931767
We are only 8 years out from the worst economic disaster since the great depression the incompetent Treasury Secretary at the time was the head of Goldman Sachs Hank Paulson.

Are you this blind or willfully ignorant to see how people would be apprehensive at the very least towards another coropate stooge being so close to the highest lvls of govt especially with the economy on the upswing after the Democrats brought it back these last 8 years.

No one went to jail for the 2008 economic collpase and if you're an american your tax dollars went to paying bonuses to the heads of these institutions that crashed the housing market from gross incompetence.

>>57931826
>source: me

somebody post some more fake news clips
waiting to see one where they are actually lying about something

>>57931801
Nice non sequitur buddy.

>>57931839
that's because the feds wanted to incentive home ownership and they gave out loans to people who couldn't afford them. obviously a bank is going to be a bunch of money grabbers, but the collapse falls entirely on the federal government meddling in the market to begin with. student loans are next.

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>>57931853
eat shit loser

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>>57930415
You've been watching too much mass media, such as that fag Colbert, to understand that Comet Pizza was not a target in the uncovering of information for those truly discerning information. There will always be someone throwing around claims, but there is no denying the damning circumstances of emails corroborating with reality. Your preferred media will only make known the claims given by the unreasonable because they are inflammatory and most often unfounded. It also makes for great entertainment for their dwindling ratings, but also incorrectly labels every involved as lunatics. The "fake news" campaign is censorship in disguise.

>>57931842
source: Assange hasn't been nearly as active post-election than he was pre-election. Maybe that embassy kicked him out, maybe he got arrested, maybe the US killed him for knowing too much, maybe the Russians killed him for not being needed anymore.

WikiLeaks had mismatched MD5s for some documents they put out after the election. They were batting a thousand before that, but suddenly those files got modified for whatever. There would be no reason to modify the files whatsoever, since they are of the mindset to release everything in full (names of spies, democrat SSNs, etc.).

>>57931744
Of course /g/ is full of cucks. What do you expect from a board who worships a kike who wants more government intervention to save him from government intervention?

>>57931859
Yeah sure, the feds *forced* the poor banks to give out fraudulent mortgages. Nice mental gymnastics.

>>57931880
Delusional freetards are not even the majority of /g/ you fag, lurk more.

>>57931876
That's not a source, you moron.

>>57931775
I didn't flat out call you racists I can understand why it bothers people because it shows the irrationality in their state of mind. It's not a pleasant way to live your life.

The steady drip of misinformation won Trump his presidency you had the head of the FBI swing the election in his favor a couple days before voting it wasn't independents that won it for him it was the propaganda turning one of the most qualified and honest candidates in the history of this country into the scariest boogeyman Republicans could imagine and alienating an electorate already demoralized from 6 years of Republican obstructionists in congress and it worked.

>>57931875
but anon, there's no evidence of it being real other than substituting words for conspiracy and not understanding how businesses like to operate

>>57931900
>one of the most qualified and honest candidates
>honest

Come on now, Anon. I voted for her too, but... come on.

>>57931895
Spotted the delusional freetard.

>>57931859
and no where in your post does it blame the incompetent Republican administration. I agree it's going to happen again most likely worse because the people he's nominating are the bottom of the barrel.

>>57931839
I understand this, but to suggest everyone at Goldman Sachs is responsible is assumptive. Different management means different motives. Remember, the individual is being hired for their skills. There is no conflict of interest like the media suggests.

>>57931859
I agree.

>>57931900
just admit Hillary lost because she was a terrible candidate. you are constantly trying to shift the blame to somewhere else, and the Russian implications have real life consequences but you are to dense to even see that. a flawed candidate wasn't going to win solely because they had a vagina

Trump, for all his brass narcissism, had the name recognition and celebrity that would take him farther than many others just because of that

>>57930689
>It ensures that MINORITIES ARE PROTECTED
by electing the anti-minority candidate?
kkkekkk

>>57931918
Hillary Clinton's foundational flaw was her speaking ability not her policies which the election never covered or was about. Republicans projected every flaw Trump had onto her and people gobbled it up hook like and sinker.

>>57931924
the Republicans are just as much to blame, for sure. the last several administrations have all been very similar administratively, with different shades of cultural paint (they're all fucking neocons)

>>57931897
okay then

so if you wanna trust leddit, there's a nice breakdown of it:
https://np.reddit.com/r/crypto/comments/5cz1fz/wikileaks_latest_insurance_files_dont_match_hashes/

MSM has doubt:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/julian-assange-dead-wikileaks-begs-followers-stop-spreading-conspiracies-1593816
http://nymag.com/selectall/2016/11/wikileak-hashes-dont-match-so-whats-going-on.html

alt sites have doubt:
http://daisyluther.com/is-julian-assange-dead-is-wikileaks-compromised/
http://wearechange.org/internet-frenzy-assange-dead/
https://milo.yiannopoulos.net/2016/11/wikileaks-hides-message-bitcoin/

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>>57931951
>Republicans projected every flaw Trump had onto her

>>57931933
Islam is thankfully still a minority, as evidenced by all the shithole islamic theocracies that crop up where it isn't. It's a political ideology as much as a religion, and there's a good reason to be anti-islam (and Trump backed way down on being anti-islam, too).

Illegal immigrants aren't even a demographic, and rightfully shouldn't have any influence whatsoever on government. Calling them a "minority" may be true, but it's ridiculous.

>>57931927
I couldn't disagree more Republicans use very small instances of this to push the agenda that the govt is incompetent. Just the notion of Goldman being back after just 8 years and to think greedy bankers that were never held to any accountability could be brought back should be horrifying but I guess not.>>57931930

>>57931951
Her foundational flaw was her penchant for secrecy, creating numerous opportunities for the opposition to question her motivations.

She should have understood that by last year and been more forthright with the public instead of being so guarded all the time.

>>57931979
>Just the notion of Goldman being back after just 8 years

implying they haven't been wrist deep in the Obama administration this entire time

>>57931979
woops I fucked up this is meant for
>>57931927

>>57931902
You have obviously not read the emails and seen Tony Podesta's living room decor. And to claim someone is a conspiracy theorist when there is strong circumstantial likelihood of something happening is typical of those who have not investigated for themselves. The people who are reassured by state operated media. These are logically intelligent people despite what you've been led to believe. Like I said, they plant a narrative that never was there. I tread lighten myself by default when processing what I hear. Discrediting by those wanting to control the narrative is typical.

>>57931967
Nice. That's what I'm expecting.
But still are doubts.

Still waiting to see an example of the MSM pushing lies about Trump
any one example would be a good start

I mean, if all they do is deliver false information it should be pretty easy to find plenty of examples, right?

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>>57932037
,

>>57931930
I disagree she wasn't a terrible candidate could Bernie Sanders speak more eloquently with more authority to issues that people like I think so but I voted for the candidate I thought could win.

I don't agree with the vagina part because she never really ran on that unless you take the few instances Republicans blew out of proportion if she ever mentioned it. She should of campaigned more on muh vagina.

Trump defied all logic because of the hatred he spewed all the information is in the public about how bad a human being he is and no one cared. 2016 was bizzare it was a mix of muh liberals muh brown people muh china. The strongest position Trump had in my opinion was his positions on trade and the economy that took up very little time on the campaign trail. He actually sounded presidential when he talked about these issues and from my memory I can only recall 2 to 3 instances where he talked about it and got media attention even through the fake new outlets.

>>57932037
How about the time that "trump asked the russians to hack hillary's emails" or the time he "called for [her] assasination"? There are definitely others, but these are the most blatant ones.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/trump-putin-no-relationship-226282

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/09/trump-insinuates-hillary-clintons-assassination-again.html

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>>57932037
.

>>57932058
there are no lies in this image
a bias, sure

>>57931974
not gonna be baited into this bullshit sorry lol

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>>57932077
>because of the hatred he spewed

source?

>>57932073
>fashion writer
lol
and these are opinions not lies

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>>57932089
the entire Khan angle was a political attack via Clinton + the media you retard

>>57932103
There is no message. Enforcing the laws already on the books, the same laws that have been around before obama and even got in during obama, is evil and racist to democrats.

>>57931987
I disagree with secrecy being some aura she exuded she ran a traditional campaign imo and got railroaded by an information age her campaign or herself never really understood. If that makes her a bad candidate then so be it but I don't think so.

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>>57932087
there are no lies in this image

>>57932037
Media doesn't work in that way.
What they do is frame situations in the worst (or best way) possible, add commentary, spicy them with ambiguous sources and shit.
But not, they don't straight lie. They lie by omission and bias.

>>57932103
I don't want to address this baiting and would kindly ask you to stop memeing on me so hard. All these reactions are from what Trump said and if people are decent human being should be justified in your mind but I don't think there's anyway to get through to someone that posts stuff like this.

>>57932114
I saw him say this when he said it
this piece is entirely accurate

>>57932114
It was Trump who attacked the parents of a dead soldier for being Muslim. If he had just kept his mouth shut and let it slide, it wouldn't have blown up like it did.

But Trump is an impulsive, insecure man-baby who picks Twitter fights with anyone who hurts his feelings, so of course that didn't happen.

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>>57931578
>that quote

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>>57932158
what did Trump say, exactly, that you found so offensive. we live in the age of information, it shouldn't be too hard to track down

>>57932167
>who attacked the parents of a dead soldier for being Muslim

source needed

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>>57932191
>one fucking guy

>>57932193
>what did Trump say, exactly, that you found so offensive.
not taking this bait ;)
he said offensive shit every single day

idk anymore it's just fucking pathetic when you peel back the onion on these statements and smack them down it then turns into a memefest why even make this post or respond if you post images like these. It makes you look like an idiot. Not that you are one you know safe spaces and all.

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>>57932234
find one single quote and post it then

>>57929852
Do you guys remember the news about the Ecuadorian Embassy being raided and a Wikileaks staff member saying that their communication has been cut?

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-cyber-russia-idUSKBN13Z05B

This article says that the DNC emails were leaked by "individuals with connections to the Russian government". It's likely that after US intelligence in coop with foreign intelligence raided the embassy, took down DynDNS to stop the deadman switch, and got access to their servers, US Intelligence began processing the newly acquired information and has now put together a report that vaguely confirms that it was probably Russia. How else would they be able to confirm that the people that leaked it had connections to the Russian govt if Wikileaks doesn't disclose that?

Putin has crossed the line. I hope I live to see him assassinated

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>>57932205
is that image from your /pol/ folder?

>>57932193
>source needed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hynamapPxXc

>His wife, if you look at his wife she was standing there, she had nothing to say. She probably, maybe she wasn't allowed to have anything to say, you tell me, but plenty of people have written that. She was extremely quiet, and looked like she had nothing to say. A lot of people have said that.

That's how he handled the mother of a dead soldier, by attacking a perceived foreign custom he thinks she follows.

And of course like the fat fucking coward that he is, he attributes that perception to his retarded racist Twitter followers instead of coming out and owning it.

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>>57930623
>still using the "hillary won the popular vote" argument

>>57932311
Russians messing with the election is not a conspiracy theory, retard.

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