Is the web over?

>>57889478
smart phones killed the web. when you needed a computer to access internet you still needed a shred of common sense. now all the major websites have dedicated apps so you're constantly in a walled garden.

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Come home, white man.

>>57889502
I get that too. The internet is now a 24/7 information firehose for most people, an endless cacophony. They have no more respite, no more time to disconnect and reflect. Everyone is always online.

>>57889694
Welcome to people 2.0
>Memorization has no purpose other than how to google something
>ads will find there way into every facet of life
> everything you do everywhere all the time is being recorded

>>57889478
It's massively cancer riddled sure, just build your own sites with your friends if you're dissatisfied.

>>57889478
>What comes next?
Gigantic IoT botnets literally killing the web.
And I kinda hope it happens

>>57889478
>Is the web over?
yes

I didn't even read your post but I'm sure you touched on most of the reasons why

>>57890249
working on it boss

>>57889502
This.

Smartphones and the upcoming "OSes for Dummies" killed the "real", old web.

Even wikipedia is mutilated by morons.
I miss the time when Googling was a skill.

>>57889478
Eh, probably not. I remember people saying the same shit about AJAX, Web 2.0 and Myspace. Take off the goggles.

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>>57889478
>Russians
I wonder whos behind this post

>>57889478
>>anti-adblock
?

>>57890340
Come on, you can't see the difference?
The change now is massive.

Not even accounting for AI chatbots, all kinds of fancy centralized censorship and logging.
Oh boy, that's a hell of a fucking logging operation that's going on. Everything you type.

>>57890340
t. 32 year old

>>57890340
Everything wrong with the web today started roughly 10 years ago with Web 2.0 and MySpace.

>>57890358
It was around the time that iOS 9.0 came out and normies got adblock.

>>57890358
Go to Forbes with an adblocker that isn't ublock and you'll understand.
>>57890382
It doesn't even stop with mainstream websites like Facebook and YouTube. Hiro is certainly selling 4chan user data to advertisers and it would be reasonable to assume other edgy websites do as well.

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Most of those only concern bad websites. You can just not use them.

>no social media
>WSJ homepage with subscription is my only MSM news source
>4chan is only site I browse
>any other site is used briefly with a specific purpose in mind i.e. a quick reference lookup on IMDb or a tutorial on YouTube
>occasionally torrent movies or music, or get a book from Gutenberg
>only use phone for text, call, and email

Web 2.0 is designed to be as addictive and manipulative as possible, so the only solution is to participate in it as little as possible, or cut it out completely. My browsing habits listed above with a simple adblocker seem to do the trick nicely.

>>57890410
Why would you go anywhere with an adblocker that isn't ublock?

>>57890382
There is a difference, yeah. We have more choice and better technology than we did 20 years ago.

>>57890391
I would say it started much earlier than that, but there was a huge influx of the lowest common denominator getting online, you're right about that. Not to sound like a hipster, but you have to avoid the largely popular sites and fads to get the gems, as laymen will water down and erode whatever they touch given enough time.

>>57890410
Essentially every website in existence uses Google Analytics and/or Google Adsense.

So google can pretty much see everything you ever visited plus (probably) everything you ever typed on the internet. And from now on microsoft logs offline data too.

Customer data are indeed sold all the time, and they're increasingly valuable as more and more people use them for more and more things.

Imagine the kind of manipulation that could pull off if you had a person's entire internet history.
People are already turning to fucking automatons.
Facebook can tightly control their information channels, create the sense of community action etc. Same with Google news, fake comment sections, fake news etc.
And if Google wants to censor something, it's gone. Nobody will even notice.

It's certainly a new era. People were always dumb, people always were buying crap the media sold, but this is a whole new level.

>>57890294
Googling is still a skill to some degree, it's amazing how bad normies are at simple searches.

>>57890617
Their new machine learning algorithms messed it up.

Although it does work better for the average moron, suggestions are incredibly aggressive.

They often "correct" my query to something completely irrelevant.

Also their "Products-first, answers-second" strategy is also a bit off the hook, sometimes I have to skip a couple pages of e-shops to reach a forum answer or wiki page.

>Waah websites over traditional http is over and websites over http is all the internet has also I'm 19

There are countless Web 3.0 platforms out there that solve these problems. Distributed, decentralized networks are the future, we're giving up on the traditional internet. It's broken beyond repair, that's precisely why projects like bitcoin, maidsafe, ethereum, storj, and IPFS are all in agreement that the traditional internet is abandonware. Not all of them will succeed, but at least one of them will.

Quit bitching on /g/, find a project to support and and fucking contribute to them.

>>57890603
It's easy to be worried they're manipulating your data. But i feel they have much more power when they see data of whole societies. They would be able to infer patterns to manipulate the course of society

>>57890603
>fake news
Such as?

>>57890659
Can't turn off tab animations in chrome or chromium, have to have addons that break the browser with ads every so often to retain old firefox-like tab functionality.

>>57890527
This has been my approach for a few years now too. It makes the internet a lot more boring (and less stupid) so it forces you to disengage and do other stuff.

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>>57890680
>Distributed, decentralized networks are the future
>future

So we're just now learning what Usenet knew all along?

"Luddites" were right once again.

>>57890527
>Web 2.0 is designed to be as addictive and manipulative as possible, so the only solution is to participate in it as little as possible, or cut it out completely.

Honestly, it sounds like you just have issues that you're trying to pin on big, bad social media. I've never had a problem with going overboard with social media, I just use it as a messenger pretty much.

Besides, you're on 4chan, which is just as bad and 'addicting' as any other social media site.

>>57890603
AFAIK, Google and Facebook only use their collected data for targeting ads, which in itself is unsettling to me.

The issue with fake information and fake news comes from other people manipulating these massive platforms for their own ends. That's where the link spam, fake followers, Twitter bots, etc come in and suddenly there are headlines saying that CNN aired hardcore porn for 30 minutes.

>>57890527
>>57890870
That's good advice.
If I could do text-only, no-javascript and no-images browsing, I'd like that again.

Just subscribe to the news agencies/magazines/organizations you want to hear from, make sure they're diverse enough and cover your actual needs for information and you're done.

But then again I mostly use internet to avoid reality, so I'm not quite there yet.

>>57890935
There's actually been studies that show the addicting nature of the dopamine burst that using social media subjects you to.

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>>57889478
Someone could always just make something like the Tor network that focuses on the removal of normie bullshit instead of anonymity. Riffle looked promising. What ever happened to that? Did the CIA niggers kill it?

>>57889527
I'm tempted...

>>57890340
No, the current state of the internet is really, really bad.

>>57890358
I don't get that. It's not like I'll disable my adblocker for them.

>>57890121

I see other people as mindless machines now, their purpose is solely to take in propaganda from facebook and spam it in conversations in an attempt to achieve global domination.

>>57891237
Yeah, 4chan is no different.

>>57891738
(You)s are like crack.

>>57889478
Look to the bright side: you're still free to access any website you wish. In my country, government and its corporatists tried to push customers to buy data plans for websites. You wouldn't have access to the world wide web, but rather you would only pick a few sites to browse. Sort of like:
>Add Youtube access for $2
>Add Facebook access for $5
>Access to other websites? Only for $10000000 shekels!

Needless to say, people were enraged, and the idea was buried. For now...

The problem is that it's become so difficult to discover new and good sites. Everything is so saturated now I bet you don't even "surf" the web anymore, just click on 4chan, some online shopping, maybe 1 or 2 niche/hobby forums, and troubleshooting on search engines.

>>57891854
Why would I pay someone money to harvest my own data?

the iphone in 2007 was to blame for all of this cancer

DELETE MOBILE POSTERS
DELETE
DELETE

>>57891907
it's called "taxes" and everyone pays them in some form or another, unless you live innawoods

>>57890527
Great suggestion, Thanks!

>>57891762
They can be like a kick in the nuts too.

Human beings are all nasty language and tool using and making chimps. This is what the species does and will do with everything until it begins to modify its own neurobiology. Same old same old last few thousand years really, just with new tools.

Women ruined the internet.

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>>57890527
Know the feel. Good to know there's still a few of us out there.

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>>57890527
I dont use any kind of social media sans this place, the only accounts i have are firefox sync and the youtube one i made in 2008 and some from a semi-popular latino website, i do use my smartphone but only for games, emulation, clove. youtube and endless desktop ricing.

The truly saddest thing is that i no longer know how to browse the internet, this place is the only one i can have any sort of "fun" with.

in 10 years our world will turn into something similar to Deus-Ex

>>57891886
This, I feel like my browser history is becoming less diverse every year. It's rare to stumble up something new and worthwhile, like someone's blog with years' of well-written articles.

You don't even have to be a good reader anymore since everybody is moving to video for the normies/children/portable users.

>news sites making a full paragraph out of every sentence
>embedded videos everywhere, sometimes completely irrelevant, often autoplaying

It's becoming the new TV that people in some countries just seemed to leave on all day.

>>57892618
worse than deus-ex
we're getting cyberpunk right now, but only the shitty oppressive parts

>>57892538
>The truly saddest thing is that i no longer know how to browse the internet

>>57892645
>This, I feel like my browser history is becoming less diverse every year.

>>57891886
>I bet you don't even "surf" the web anymore

This is all true.

What's the fix? How do we get back to surfing?

Neocities?

>>57892748
probably the destruction of wikipedia

>>57892778

red pill me on wikipedia

how would that help

>>57892806
where do you go when you want information on a particular topic

usually wikipedia, either directly or through google

>>57892778
destroy big corp making a buck off mass surveylance and advertisements.

>>57892813

Ah, I get it. Wikipedia dies, return of smaller specialty websites on topics.

So, how do we kill the wikipedia

>>57892715
I'd love to see the Mirai botnet used as a means to corrupt Googles analytics and to trigger the watchlist keywords of all the goverment agencies worldwide.Basically, making all their shit worthless.

>>57892832
source code's open, get working

>>57892825
the million dollar question

>>57892855
intercept donations?

>>57892882
more or less impossible
just ddos the site for eternity

>>57892778
>>57892806
>>57892813
>>57892825
>>57892855
>>57892882
>>57892905
Wikipedia is one of the good guys, you assholes.

>>57889478
It's just starting to develop itself naturally

>>57892995
it's destroyed any need for the average person to surf the web for information, which was what we were talking about

personally I'm fine with surfing being dead

>>57893008
>naturally
what does this even mean within the context of multi-layered ad services in charge of what content is funded?

>>57892995
Wikipedia is bloated
Wikiedia is a manipulative tool altered by governments and corporations https://jarib.github.io/anon-history/
Wikipedia is run by homogenous group of people
Wikipedia articles are written by homogenous closeted circlejerc clubs

>>57893058
Bloated in what sense? CPU/Memory/Bandwidth usage? Too much content?

As for being run and written by homogeneous people, that's an issue Wikipedia is trying to solve.

>>57893058
>Wikiedia is a manipulative tool altered by governments and corporations https://jarib.github.io/anon-history/

Wikipedia is open for both editing and scrutiny by anyone. That's how editors are able to sniff out gov/corp whitewashing. It's a double-edged sword.

>>57893121
It has tons of unnececarry javascript and gui features. 5 years ago Wikipedia was pure html and ran on a toaster.
>>57893139
Yes, but you have to look at article's history to find out if whether it was altered or not.

>>57893058
>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=596027323
GOD DAMN CIA MANIPULATING INFORMATION
THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS

Haven't been outside the walls of 4chin in years except to troll or dl a free book.

>>57893191
4chan is our walled garden.

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>>57891161
>If I could do text-only, no-javascript and no-images browsing, I'd like that again.

Use Lynx

i guess i got an sdf.org shell account to retreat to. they got gopher sites, bbs-style talker, text boards, a bunch of old unixy crap to play with. interact with the outside world with email only

>>57890695
Sites that literally invent stories about things that never happen out of thin air. Try googling it

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>>57892538
>tfw I made my youtube account in 2006 so I could watch softcore porn.

>>57891468
>take in propaganda from facebook and spam it in conversations

This is unreal. Their critical thinking skills were already fucked but at this point they cannot hold even the simplest conversation. You just get a blanc stare before they spout the next meme.

>>57893201
and the wall is made of shit

I'm thinking of just boycotting every major service. There's no reason to read news any more because every news site is slanted and corrupt. Websites now provide a terrible UX by convention: "SUBSCRIBE TO THIS ADVANCED BULLSHIT COURSE" *close* "OH ARE YOU REALLY TRYING TO LEAVE!!! FOR ONE TIME ONLY" You go to a page and it loads fucking Facebook, Twitter, and Joogle trackers, along with trackers for half-a-dozen different advertisers who correlate every piece of data about you over the web.

Everything requires Facebook. YouTube is fucking dumb. Wikipedia written by morons. Even 4chan has gone to shit as it became SJW controlled and never provided anonymity to begin with. I think I might just become one of those paranoid neckbeards like Stallman. I'll use a Thinkpad 5000 with Libreboot and anonymize all my traffic. I might not even use the web. Just disallow javascript, and only browse journal articles and books. For discussion I'll use an IRC client from the 90s talking to people twice my age about the glory days even though I wasn't alive for them.

4chan will have to go too ... but honestly how many of you just browse this place because you have nothing better to do? None of the people here are informed and the rest are outright retarded underage faggot. This would probably be one of the easiest places to boycott. How did things end up this dystopian? The web used to be forums run by autists on autistic shit and we didn't have mass data correlation and backdoors put in everything. Now you always have to wonder

>>57893428
I'd argue that the wall is made out of memes (which means the same thing more or less)

>>57893401
>400lb. neckbeard pretending he actually talks to people
>and then even in his own fantasy he's mad about memes

What a time to be alive. Some pro-tips though: if you're gonna cry about "critical thinking skills" you should probably be able to spell "blank".

FYI

>>57893436
4chan is my guilty pleasure. It's like cigarettes or candy: knowingly harmful but hopelessly addictive. The /pol/ leakage and weak trolling/flaming gets worse all the time, and I'm always thinking about what Hiroshima and Google are doing with my activity here. Yet this is the only social place I have left on the internet.

>>57893436
>How did things end up this dystopian? The web used to be forums run by autists on autistic shit and we didn't have mass data correlation and backdoors put in everything. Now you always have to wonder

Blame accessible video bandwidth and "digital natives" (parents replacing giving a shit with electronics).

>be me in summer, in a foreign country
>family trip, eating lunch at some semi-fancy 'yacht' club because there aren't a lot of options
>what I'm assuming to be very upper middle-class women in their late 30s are having drinks and salads on the next table over
>one with a toddler, the other pregnant
>shallow gossip and fake laughter is continually interrupted by toddler wanting his mother's attention and affection
>she pulls out her iphone, props it up on a plastic Thomas the tank engine toy on the table and lets it run a playlist of Peppa the pig on Youtube at high volume
>whenever the kids tries to itneract with the phone, the screen or the toy used as a stand, the mother interrupts him and palces it further away on the table

>back home, at electronics store looking for a decent USB 12V car adapter
>overhear a father having trouble deciding between a 220€ and a 180€ rtablet for his son
>he finalyl settles for the 180€ version because his son is "only 6 after all"

You can't even imagine how bad the idiot box-digital sedative generation is going to make it.

IT WAS SEARCH INDEXING ALL ALONG YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS
>opens up the commercialization of looking for shit
>opens up the ability of corporations to redirect traffic as they please, legally and with the consumer's implicit consent of "getting rid of stuff I don't want to look at"
>leads certain sites to grow exponentially
>prevents other sites from ever gaining traction, despite a technically superior implementation
>easy access to trend analytics, big data

Search engines are why the web is consolidating into a single, unified pile of corporatized shit.

>>57893592
There were generations before them that grew up on TV and video games in every household. They won't be much worse off.

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>>57891161


Got this one for my phone, app is called
>text browser

it was doomed the moment you could make money of it

>>57893717
>fonposter acting like he's not part of the problem

>>57889478
Sort of. It's splitting into two things.

There's the television 2.0 part of the web that's all about videos. This is youtube, netflix, facebook, and partially even 4chan and reddit.

Then there is the "old" web that is still around but much smaller than it was a decade ago. Forums and chat rooms still exist, but they are mighty lonely a lot of the time. And the sense of adventure and discovery is not nearly as great as it once was, if it is there at all.

BUT

There's this whole other world out there of twitter, twitch, discord, snapchat, and other new services that is all the rage with the kids now. That's where the fire is still burning. It's up to you to get with it.

>>57893758
>netflix
>facebook
>youtube
>different from twitter, twitch
snapchat is eh at best, the actual implementation is shit
discord is alright but I'd be amazed if they weren't farming out your data, and it's functionally only moderately different from basic IRC

>>57893741
LoI i like my tiny phone computer, i like my normal computer too, you can fuck yourself back to jerking it to your aunts on face book, something i dont use, you fat gargoyle

>>57893810
POO

IN

LOO

>>57893758
>That's where the fire is still burning.

Yeah, a dumpster fire.

>>57893821
Poo in the loo back to you i live in country with toliets, but i shit in the woods, while camping, somthing your fat fuck cant do, catch diabetes, limp dick sissy

>>57893783
Yes, they are absolutely different from twitter and twitch. There is a cultural difference. Twitter is the driving force for memes these days. It has replaced 4chan in that regard.

>>57893831
You got too old, anon. Mark my words, in a few years there will be a wave of people who look back on the twitch era with heavy nostalgia. Streaming is still in the wild west time period. But soon, even it will be tamed and gone.

>>57893857
wow you're really sensitive about being indian I guess that dysentery has you pretty butt-blasted. Don't worry one day if you save your rupees you can afford to buy a loo just like a first worlder!

>>57893436

I barely go to 4chins anymore. Underage morons ruined everything with their shitposting.

Unfortunately only cripplechan seems to have hold on. All other imageboards die in a matter of month or are just porn dumps.

>>57890527
this

>>57893954
Not form india but whatever you win fats

>>57893885

Twitter is on the verge of death. The only ones memeing twitter are /pol/

>>57894025
granted i don't really visit twitter, but this election seemed to produce a massive amount of OC. and yeah, i think you are partially right in that pol has its army of twitter sockpuppet accounts that it uses for memetic warfare, but i think black twitter is another big source of memes, both unironically for normies and ironically for the 4chan types.

it's incredible the amount of oc trump content i've seen browsing pol in the months before the election. oddly enough, i saw almost 0 (non-negative) oc for hillary up until maybe 2-3 weeks before the election. i don't really buy into the whole 'shill' meme that pol shouts, but it does make me wonder. just contrarians tired of the constant pro-trump shit on pol, or people trying to hop onto the next level of irony?

>>57894123
/pol/ is the new /b/. It is the premier trolling and shitposting board on the internet. Right now about a quarter of /pol/ threads are still pushing Pizzagate, hoping that innocent people actually get shot over a bullshit internet hoax.

>>57893436
You don't need to go this far, anon. Learn how to use umatrix to block google/facebook/amaon trackers. When I go to a new website, I only allow 1st party CSS and images. Then I manually select which elements I want to load.

Also, learn how to use RSS for news and email client filters, etc. You can evict the botnet.

The basic concepts surrounding http dns and url aren't going to die until there is something better that people will actually use. Nobody has forced you to join web2.0. You are not a victim here.

This is why Hitler was right.

In case you guys think that this is pointless to do. Realize there's A LOT of money in this. Look up how much Flappy Bird made a day. Doing even half of that will set you off quite well.

Those obscure adult sites make about $15,000 a month on a bad day. Those clickbait things, even the small ones make a lot of money and they're also automatited.

Companies especially Facebook don't want to stop it because remember they profit off of it too, a lot because it's the only thing people actively click, by far. Regular stuff, sure, but not like this.

Should have gassed the kikes when we had the chance.

>>57894025
Twitter is on the downward trend, but it is nowhere near death. It will go on at least a few more years before the real exodus begins.

To where? I can't say.

>>57890923
Since when usenet is distributed?

>>57890294
So are you implying Apple killed the internet, anon?

>>57890527
> Being an autist

Good job, anon. I do all the things listed in OP, except I'm smart enough to know the limits. I don't need restraints like kids in their cribs.

>>57894164
Lies. Pizzagate hashtag got a falseflag by the kikes and now they can shut down anyone by claiming its conspiracy theories only loonies that attack restaurants believe.

>>57889694
We could disconnect, but we don't. Getting (You)s and checking for new replies, threads, messages, tweets and uploads is addicting. A constant disposable stream of easy stimulus and time-wasting. I've been trying to stop using sites like that (including 4chan), stop constantly checking things, and stop having 20+ tabs open all the time. It has become very hard to concentrate and get anything done.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/07/is-google-making-us-stupid/306868/

It's the whole social media infrastructure that has really fucked up the web and the people who use it. Almost everything OP mentions is caused by it or made worse by it.

>>57889478
Do you know what killed the web?

Fucking 4chan, that's what.

4chan killed the spirit of anyone who chooses to be different on the internet.

You want to make a cool personal website about your eccentric tastes? Good luck with that. As soon as 4chan finds it they will doxx you and ruin your life.

Fear of 4chan killed sites geocities-like websites.

>>57895242
Came here to post something like this.

It used to be the original hangout for loons and eccentrics and now it is the large, spiked, cum-covered dildo arm of the law and social crowd-based moderation and culture hackers playground to fuck with large swathes of people and plays a part in regulating web content and the attitudes of millions by proxy.

Call me a faggot all you want but a board here got the leader of the free world elected, putting a fucking reality TV star into the white house over a 40 year old conspiratorial old guard's psyop efforts.

I'm slowly weening off it though. This is my second visit in the week. I'm using a tiny cyberpunk chan to help curb my addiction and I don't have any social media anymore. None at all.

>>57889478
Yes. The internet as we knew it from 1990 to 2007 is dead. The Wild West has been tamed. It will never return.

>>57890340
>I remember people saying the same shit about AJAX, Web 2.0 and Myspace.

They were right. Those same people said the internet would be dead in 10 years, and they're right on track.

>>57889478
The web isn't over, normies have just taken the center stage.
Whenever you have normies en mass, you get those who will take advantage of them, and those combined create a massive pile of shit.

>social media
>viral media
>clickbait
>linkbait
>likebait
>slacktivism
>selfies
>behavioral targeting
>native advertising
>malvertising
>comments sections
>crackpot conspiracy theories bleeding into the mainstream
>post-truth special snowflakes who confuse their personal feelings with fact

You can avoid 90% of this by not browsing facebook, default subreddits, and major news sites. Coincidentally, this also avoids most normies.
If you stick to websites that require more than scrolling through an endless feed of shit, the web isn't half bad.

Surfing culture may be dead, but in the past week I've used the web to:
>help me repair my car
>talk to friends 1000s of miles away
>watch movies in HD near instantly
>listen whatever music I want, when I want
>educate myself and work on certifications
>play video games with friends against other people

The web isn't dead, it's just grown a large cancer that needs to be avoided.

>>57895242
>You want to make a cool personal website about your eccentric tastes? Good luck with that. As soon as 4chan finds it they will doxx you and ruin your life.

Are you projecting? What happened? Why the hell would people fuck with you unless you were really doing something bad?

It is true that you can't own a domain and be totally anonymous. For instance, if I made an embarrassing website about chaste and cuckolding then people could look up who registered the domain and see my name in plain black and white and potentially find my relatives and employers and tell them all about this fetish website I run, but honestly, I don't think "doxxers" would waste their time going after a small fetish website.

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/g/ needs to have an eternal "Frontier and Cutting Edge" general where we talk about new happenings in technology and try to take part in them. Become the early adopters.

What are some new technologies only a few people have access to we could start working on? Personal A.I.? Virtual Reality? They're primitive right now but someone has to be there first.

>>57895340
Use something like whoisguard, there are solutions for almost everything out there

>>57895340
>but honestly, I don't think "doxxers" would waste their time going after a small fetish website.

It has happened time and time again. Don't underestimate the will of the spurned autist.

>>57895382
4chan doesn't doxx on the basis of security flaws, but rather on the mistakes made by the person themselves in revealing too much information. The hive mind has extremely deep knowledge of very small inconsequential things that add up to an identity. People have been identified based on a single bench in a park.

>>57895316
>>help me repair my car
boring
>>talk to friends 1000s of miles away
somewhat fulfilling
>>watch movies in HD near instantly
boring
>>listen whatever music I want, when I want
boring
>>educate myself and work on certifications
boring
>>play video games with friends against other people
boring

Fuck you.

>>57895242
True

>>57895284
Also true. Making the transition from social media to no social media at all myself right now.

>>57895340
>Why the hell would people fuck with you unless you were really doing something bad?
Just because. I myself love it now more than ever. It's like holding a mirror against society.

LOOK.
HERE!
WE KNOW!
IF IT'S ON THE INTERNET, IT'S NOT PRIVATE.

>>57895431
Do you enjoy anything?

>>57895284
B-but muh lulz

B-but we are legion

B-but if you slip up even the teeniest tiniest bit in protecting your identity your deserve to have your whole social life ruined by teenagers because it's funny!

We made our bed, and now we will sleep in it.

>>57895479
I enjoy hating you.

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>>57895284
lol faggot
4chan will be what saves us in the culture wars. They're only going to get worse.

>>57895515
k

>>57895534
fuck off facebook trash

Thank God we still have reddit and 4chan.

>>57893020
who cares about the average case desu? wikipedia allows people to specialize and dive into deeper more broad things, by taking care of the whole "general knowledge" thing. that's a positive benefit to net culture imo.

>>57895284

ew lainchan

>>57894212
You forgot the crowdfunding projects. wanna get rich? Pitch your half-baked idea and ask for money then bail out. Normalfags fail to consider the red flags and they believe that they are buying from online stores. I don't pity them.

>>57893401
jesus you are right

>>57890561
Is there ublock for palemoon?

>>57895120
Poor blogger has a point if he isn't off in some pigeon hole about nothing. The information stimulus that the internet provides, is addicting, but he seems to be stuck in a 'new is scary, therefore bad' kind of mindset.

Poor self control (and human nature) is the cause of addiction. The internet existing is not, in and of itself, addicting. It's made addictive by the people who cash in on the new technology that exploit the baser human behavior.

>>57895120
>Getting (You)s and checking for new replies, threads, messages, tweets and uploads is addicting. A constant disposable stream of easy stimulus and time-wasting. I've been trying to stop using sites like that (including 4chan), stop constantly checking things, and stop having 20+ tabs open all the time. It has become very hard to concentrate and get anything done.

Except some find it hard not to have literal hundreds of tabs open (Firefox and derivatives go up to about 600 before they start to become very sluggish).

>>57893741
dude i have a high end pc, but its nice having a high end "pda"

>>57895242
>You want to make a cool personal website about your eccentric tastes? Good luck with that.

At best, you'll be at the receiving end of inane "kys" comments vehemently hurled in your general direction.

>anyone here a /cook/?

I'm a chef by trade, but theres alot of times a try to browse the internet to find new recipes, and inspiration. I loaded one on my phone today when I was in there car before I went to the grocery store, and it was no shit 90% ads. I literally couldnt even find the content I was looking for. Not even in a slide show, alot of these websites like to use. So then I went home and loaded it up on my pc, and adblock said it blocked 104 ads on a single page.

Jesus fucking christ

>>57895242
Listen, I usually understand where people are coming from, or what led them to believe a certain thing, but with you I'm just lost.
You live in a fantasy world of your own creation.

>>57890249
pls do

>>57893783
>functionally only moderately different from basic IRC
its literally IRC with a bouncer slapped together with mumble in a browser window.

>>57891854
That sounds exactly like Hungary.

>>57895920

I'm fucking tired of screen-sized ads in between every paragraph. The true problem here is that normies just fucking accept it, they're totally complacent with this shit and either: Don't know there's a problem, don't care that there's a problem, or don't understand what can be done about the problem. I've seen pages where I've gone through 4+ screen-sized ads in a row to get to the next sentence. It's fucking insane.

The part I really don't get is how the people who implement this shit, web-dev retards etc, can just keep fucking up this bad. They love stacking bloat ontop of website, javascript everything, massive images, everything they can possibly manage. Then they just act like it's the cutting-edge tech and the future we should have. It's one thing for shit like facebook, etc to be bloated shit made such that grandmas and retards can navigate them, but the fact that it bleeds into everything else blows my fucking mind.

The worst part is that there's really no way we'll ever go back to good practices on any wide-scale. It's over boys, pack it up.

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We need moar people similar to Fravia these days...

its not to late to follow his footsteps, /g/entlemen.

Nowadays modern web is catered to idiot millenial normies... we'll reverse that

t. +Greythorne

>>57895969
If you'd been here for any amount of time you'd instantly understand he is right. 4chan played a major role in creating a climate of fear on the internet that prevents people from revealing too much about themselves for fear they will attract the attention of internet thugs who take joy in creating chaos for its own sake. Trolls, as they used to be called. While you may argue people are more open than ever on the internet I say the opposite. Very little of consequence is ever shared on facebook and other social media, but when it is the person in question often finds themselves targeted by the worst of our kind. You can come to 4chan itself and speak anonymously, of course, but that is in a way an admittance of defeat because you can never forge any kind of relationship. It's all meaningless and forgotten tomorrow, other than damage done through doxxxing and raids. That's the sad fact of 4chan, we're never remembered for the good works we've done. I've read many passionate and articulately written articles on 4chan by people I wish I could have stayed in contact with. But it can't be done.

If you don't believe me why don't you post your email address here and see what happens?

>>57890695
I could provide an example referring to the recent italian referendum, but source is in italian, of course.
I'm just gonna leave this link here, though
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing

>>57896832
Not him, but this really hit me hard because you're absolutely right. That "climate of fear" was actually the main reason why I avoided 4chan for a very long time.
Is there anywhere we can go? Maybe IRC, or something?

>>57896882
IRC is even more of a no-go than 4chan. Unless you are absolutely sure you are properly obscured you should watch what you say.

>>57896832
My fear isn't that 4chan will get my e-mail address, it's that future employers will see what I post on 4chan.

So you bet your ass I don't reveal my true political and personal beliefs on the facebook I share with all my normie friends.

I suspect you're swallowing the "internet hate machine" meme when it was always meant with irony.

Any why would I post my e-mail on a site that's meant to be anonymous? The entire point of this site is that we don't need to present ourself in order for our words to be heard. There's no (unironic) cult of personality here.

>>57896955
>I suspect you're swallowing the "internet hate machine" meme when it was always meant with irony.

It became a self-fulfilling prophecy. This idea that 4chan is just this harmless little meme site is naive.

>>57895284
May Lain be with you, traveller.

we know javascript isn't going away anytime soon, so how do we make use of the decent parts of it? why can't people be more moderate with it?

Oh noes google and other """botnets""" are going to find out about my porn folder!!1!
Or some ad company is going to tailor the shitty advertisements I see everyday into something that I might like
Sorry fags but not everyone hides terabytes of CP in their computers like you and they don't care about this autism like you, intelligent and successful people like me use the latest bleeding edge technology to have the upper hand in the market and no one cares what some autistic pedophile thinks in a website that the users are scared to show their face
I wont reply to any of you autists because my time is precious so don't bother

>>57896995
No, thinking that it is anything more than that is naïve. You can not say that 4chan caused " a climate of fear" that stops "people from revealing too much about themselves," and also have over a billion active Facebook accounts.

>>57889478
if only you could have invite only internets i.e a tech only invite only internet that the normies couldn't get to

>>57896832
Spoken like someone who's first internet site was facebook. Back before facebook, myspace and all that social media bullshit only an idiot revealed their real identity online and that wasn't due to 4chan. The internet was the wild west, but it was a by and large separate from the real world lives. Social media brought normies who brought their real lives on to the internet and expected the internet to be an extension of the real world, not an escape.

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>>57889478
yes

>What comes next?
hopefully, a speeding garbage truck comes through my window and kills me instantly, negating the need to think much more than an hour or so ahead.

>>57897800
Back before 4chan and social media, in the late 90s and early 00s, there weren't nearly as many people on the internet to organize and turn someone's life into a living nightmare. It was just a fraction of the people who are online today.

At worst you might have been discovered and ridiculed by Something Awful and faced the wrath of a couple dozen goons via email for a week. Mods on the forums also regularly banned members for organized harassment. Goons didn't routinely doxx people, call their homes, make death threats against their families, stalk them online, and DDoS their sites for months on end. That type of harassment was reserved for only the worst people, like white supremacists, like what 4chan did to Hal Turner all those years back. Funny how things change.

What 4chan does today on a regular basis is much bigger, much more intense, and much worse than what happened 15-20 years ago.

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>>57889478

>social media
Profit-motivated corporations
>viral media
Profit-motivated corporations
>clickbait
Profit-motivated corporations
>linkbait
Profit-motivated corporations
>likebait
Profit-motivated corporations
>content farms
Profit-motivated corporations
>a universe of moronic memes
Ever notice how a very large fraction of these stupid memes revolve around TV shows, movies or brands?
>behavioral targeting
Profit-motivated corporations
>native advertising
Profit-motivated corporations
>malvertising
Profit-motivated corporations
>JavaScript abuse
Profit-motivated corporations
>anti-adblock
Profit-motivated corporations
>comments sections
Which are full of paid shills for one special interest or another
>crackpot conspiracy theories bleeding into the mainstream
See under >clickbait

Face it, anon. The problems with the internet and all other media can be and have always been traced back to capitalism.

Imagine a distributed internet where people could discuss and share things from each other, away from advertising, paid shills, copyright notices, behavioural tracking, and promoted content. Maybe it'll happen one day, who knows.

>captcha: select all images with a store front

>>57897977
SEIZE THE MEANS OF REPRODUCTION

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>>57897936
>the worst people, like white supremacists

Where did evil /pol/ touch you this time?

>>57897977
This might have been why the web was best when hosting was in the hands of enthusiasts and education, with a few government agencies just for some online presence.

The problem is that people's interests became far too big for hobbyists to be able to cope, and the same soon happened with educational bodies, and even governments by the end, until we ended up with our current position where only corporations have the ability to keep up.

Back when things were mostly static, plain HTML it was easy for any computer at the time to become a server as computers with far less power were hosting multi-line BBSs. Sir Tim's website (the first) was just on his NeXT box. Could you imagine someone simply plugging their computer in to the wall and coping with the web as it now demands to be presented?

There is hope though. Due to some insane quirk of fate things are returning to a simpler time, and its not just trendy hipsters and nostalgia-blind oldfags either. The Usenet discussion server (no no binaries, just talk) that I go on is reporting massive increases in traffic (mostly from SoCs running slrn, tin, gnus, etc. according to a poll), and the users of MUDs are getting younger, not older.

And there's lots of rumbling in environmental circles about the resources used to host theses gigantic mega-sites.

I think the most interesting part of the web, in terms of its representation, is still yet to come.

>>57898121
>static, plain HTML

I miss those days.

The web would be fast as fuck if it wasn't so bloated.

>>57891114
>The issue with fake information and fake news comes from other people manipulating these massive platforms for their own ends
You mean like CNN starting a war against Iraq under the guise of weapons of mass destruction?

Seriously do you shills think this Fake news meme is smart? We're already successfully hijacking it and we will be launching our long planned attack on academia using the remains of the fourth estate as a battering ram.

You know it's too late, shouldn't you be moving to New Zealand?

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>>57898205
>CNN

Nigga is you serious?

Are you a retarded 90s baby or just pretending to be one?

>>57898153
We've been tricked into an RPG level scaling system for hardware and software.

Every time we gain some levels and can beat those enemies with ease a new set come along and we're right back to square one.

Same with software and the web. Just when we think we're getting on top of it another load of bloat comes along and we're back slowness again. This is why SSDs are a meme, not so much because of the increase in speed, which is undeniable, but that such an increases is even needed at all makes them a meme. Even shitty 5400 RPM drives can benchmark at 50MB/s.

If you look at people running 68k software on the modern Amiga platforms (which are API compatible) then the performance is instant. I'm talking "before the clicking of the mouse has faded from your ear it's loaded."

The same applies with the internet. Use something like Dillo and you'll be amazed at how fast everything is.

>>57898315
I woudn't be surprised if 1Gbps will be like '56k-tier' in near future. The website bloat is growing everyday.

>>57898351
And /g/ like the morons that they are will end up supporting this because "lol don't be a poorfag and support poorly coded software," which is what they actually are supporting when they say things like how 16GB of memory is the minimum and you need at least an i5 to get anything done.

>>57889502
Isolated hamnet is the final solution.
http://www.broadband-hamnet.org/

>>57890659
If you knew how to search properly you should never have to leave page 1

>>57889478
It died the first day that AOL sent out those CDs.

>>57890680
ZeroNet is quite dank. Your can support it by literally just downloading it's client and starting it up.

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>>57898500
CDs

Get a load of this guy.

>>57889502
the think that killed the web was windows. to use that you didn't have to know a lot either.
internet was better in the 80s.

>>57895242
>4chan killed the web
Nah. Overwhelming global access and the inability of the Web 2.0 generation to change to combat it. 4chan in 2016 is easily the best examples of what Eternal September felt like to the Usenet/IRC crowd back in '93 because of the kinds of people who became the new majority. People on this website are so stupid, passionless, and devoid of interesting traits or hobbies these days it's disgusting. Most posters these days can only post shitty, overused memes, ramble on with prepackaged stormfag /pol/ (aka neo-/b/) talking points [note: this can be modified to suit the needs of any board], or sperg out about consumer shit (really kinda limited to here).

Lainchan, Sushi, 420, ZeroNet, 8gag, etc. are just as bad in this day and age, especially if you actually take the time to lurk and get acclimatized and then participate now; Lainchan was the biggest eye-opener in that it has always been just as big of a pile of shit as modern 4chan. Only thing that keeps me here is nostalgia, /a/, /dpt/ here, and /vg/ for Rougelikes and whatever FOTM game my friends and I are on. All the decentralized shit like IFPS? Gonna be just as fucking bad considering the type of people who are praising it as the next coming of jesus. Best thing to do now is to just retreat into a circle of friends, stay there and just look up whatever the fuck you want when you need to. Go either clean yourself up or go hermit-mode if you have no friends; plenty of resources online to do either.

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>>57892855
>>57892882
>>57892995
>>57892778
>>57892806

>every 2 years or so wikipedia starts begging you to donate money because it takes soooo much to host all that text, muh bandwidth, muh videos/fullsize images, muh servers
>in the next 10 years they try that shit a few more times, then start saying how they might be going under
>Google "offers" to buy them "out of the blue" and to help them out since they got the biggest servers, most bandwidth, storage, etc, they got youtube, the search engine, gdrive, gmail, loads of shit
>Jimmy Wales thanks everyone for their donations so far and literally sells the company to Google for the price of 1 U.S. dollar since he just wants to see information get passed around the way it should, and to show he's in it for the preservation, not for the money
>Google now literally owns pretty much everything, including information.

Calling it now, give me one reason why this isn't a plausible scenario

>>57889478
Get out you stinkin' goon

>>57898940
Wikimedia Foundation is a non-profit organization, so it wouldn't be that straightforward, if at all possible, for a for-profit to buy them out.

>>57889478
>But seriously, how much worse can it get?
Realplayer becomes the norm.

>>57898979
Couldn't they just change from a non-profit to a for-profit one just by shutting down and reopening up shop in the future under a different name?

>>57899006
Sure, but that would likely trigger a mass exodus of the Wikipedia community when they realize Jimbo's motivations have suddenly changed. They'd just copy the entire contents of old Wikipedia and take them to their new non-profit to continue the work under the same CC license(s).

>>57890527
This. I run nextcloud at home so even my large family of eight plus the addition of inner family circle all use cloud services hosted within our family (me). No google apps or services. Requests for apks are processed and stored on the personal cloud. Fdroid and niche stores round out the rest. No social media. No snapchat. No instagram. No skype. Wire for communications textra for default sms. Plex Media Server streaming music and video content. We don't even require spotify. Pictures/vidyas are synced to the personal cloud/server with each user account.

Life is good.

>>57899064
Unless Google pays them off or incentivizes them in some way. I think you're right about the fact that the wiki community is p strong and tight-knit, probably the reason why it hasn't happened already but you just know Google is working on it. In the past 10 years they went from just being a great search engine and a less popular email provider than Yahoo email, to the biggest video site, the only (relevant) GPS/maps provider, biggest market share in smartphones and god knows what else I'm forgetting to mention. Really makes ya think.

>>57899102
There's really no reason they can't just mirror the entirety of Wikipedia and then just put Googlepedia higher in the search results if they really wanted it.

Sort of like how searching for Usenet gets you Google Groups.

>>57899102
>>57899120
Google tried making its own "curated" Wikipedia competitor years ago and it sucked dick. It was called Knol.

>>57890294
Speak for yourself, my google-fu is strong

>>57889478

>At least Flash is almost dead.

You said everything perfect then you go and say something full retard at the end. The internet elite have moved on to irc, the promised land still exists you just need to go looking for it.

>>57900676
>unironically wanting Flash to not die

For what purpose?

>>57889502
>>57889694

I've been debating getting a dumb phone for this reason

>>57889478
>At least Flash is almost dead
I would prefer Flash over most of this pile of crap.

>>57898613
I don't know about you, but I didn't get AOL floppies in the mail every week.
We did have a lot of fun throwing those old CDs around when I had about 100 of them.

>>57900717
All you have to do is not fall into the social media and clickbait traps.

Personally, I still find my smartphone very handy for email, web browsing (with adblockers), maps, weather, news and podcasts, reading PDFs and ebooks, taking notes, and occasionally taking pictures of things I want to remember like papers and signs. Just the basics, nothing fancy.

>>57900850
This. You don't need a dumbphone, you just need discipline.

>>57900850
Not the guy you were responding to but this is pretty much where I'm at. I would love to have a 'dumb phone' but I find podcasting and navigation too useful to lose.

>>57889478
Surface web is done for, mostly due to the death of privacy and anonymity brought about by social media, persistent identity, plus tracking/advertising/behavoural monitoring etc.

The deep web has been predicted to take over the internet in the future, more people are learning how to use it, we now have enough resources to actually provide a good experience as more servers get added to services like Tor, the more people use these the harder it gets for FBI/NSA/GCHQ/SSAO/HBAO+ to track us with correlation attacks etc.

I doubt it will be Tor it might be something more usable, but whatever happens there will be a killer overlay network app which creates a ubiquitous overlay internet which is encrypted end to end by default and anonymous and it'll pave the way for a new paridigm. Remember that the internet back on 56k modem era and prior was severely unpopular, it got kids like me bullied at school for using it, as the plebs caught on it became "cool" to use, it's the same cycle repeating over and over every 20-30 years as we delve further into better technology.

>>57895037
Yes it did. It made the internet accessible to idiots and tech illiterate people.

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>>57901016
Bruh, everyone knows that AOL opened the floodgates for tech-illiterate normies to get on the internet.

>>57890390
your point?

>>57893471
>dur hur you made a typo
>"critical thinking" means you never make mistakes.

>>57893741
>LOOK AT ME EVERYONE I DON'T USE PHONES
>>57893810
>LOOK AT ME EVERYONE I DON'T USE FACEBOOK
I want to see a TV show called Neckbeard vs Neckbeard where both characters are played by Rainn Wilson.

>>57895431
>his opinions and interests dont align with mine
>i will not stand for this
"Mom look, I won an argument on the internet!"

>>57901552
>he's expressing disagreement on the internet
>i will not stand for this
"Mom look, I signalled harder on how much I don't care about things on the internet!"

>>57893436
Me. I'm here because there's nothing else in my life. Tried to quit once back in 2011 for about 4 months. Still did nothing with my life. Came back and the addiction was stronger than before. I will literally be here forever until 4chan dies for real. Or I'll just cling onto another chan

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>>57901869
>mfw I want to leave but can't

>>57889502
You guys should check out the dark net, it's not accessible without tor which requires above average intelligence to operate. It's a lot like the classic web.

>>57901221
no, it didn't. AOL was shit and borderline unusable. this is ignoring the fact that you had to buy a dedicated machine to go online, and dedicate time to do so.

now any retard (i even see 60 year old brown goblins that can't speak english) have a pocket computer that they pull out at their leisure and can go online whenever they wish. there was nothing that made accessing internet to easy before smart phones, and the effect can be seen anywhere. communities that thrived and were filled with knowledgeable posters and information in the early 2000s are now primarily composed of idiots waiting to be spoonfed everything nowadays.

even here people post shit that the first sentence of the sticky says is now allowed multiple times a day and then they get butthurt when told to fuck off. there's no denying the fact that the bulk of them are retarded phone posters.

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>>57902164

>install tor browser bundle
>intelligence to operate

>>57902438
AOL's main selling point was that it made the internet very user-friendly for people who were not familiar or felt intimidated by it. It took away all the arcane commands and URLs and replaced them with a colorful point-and-click interface. It was the internet for grandmas.

Sure, it's not quite like today where you can get a shitty Android smartphone for next to nothing, but as long as you had a contemporary Windows or Mac computer and a modem, you were all set to go online. Also, today many people still pay for mobile data by the megabyte, similar to how access back then was billed by the minute.

Usenet suffered a similarly massive drop in quality and overall intelligence thanks to newbies pouring in from AOL. It's all a matter of perspective. It feels a lot worse now because the internet is becoming ubiquitous worldwide, whereas back in the mid-90s it was just a middle-class luxury.

>>57901221
but with AOL and the internet, I became tech-literate.

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>tfw browsing weird MSN chatroom BBS things on your first online adventure in 1996

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>>57903512
This was my first online adventure in 1996. It was fucking rad. Then it shut down and my parents switched to AOL.

>>57889478
It's just the beginning.

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DAE remember this?

>>57903512
That shit was fun as fuck.
I barely used it back then, but I browsed some weird niche interests and then found some spooky shit about ghost stories or some nonsense. Weirder than /x/-tier shit. (which is just retard babbies talking about conspiracy crap about ayylmaos or pedos)

I also distinctly remember using some AOL chatrooms and talking to some 40 year old chick about computers and TV.

Also, bring back VRML. When the fuck is 80s VR internet?!
VR becoming the new hot meme again should surely be reason enough to bring that bad boy back.
I want to go shooting wikipedia pages with lasers and dress up in weird avatars to chat to all my internet buddies and fuck a walrus.

>>57895842
You can install any Firefox extension on palemoon if I recall correctly.

>>57904160
Not all unfortunately. The ones written for latest ff release won't work

>>57889478


Mankind is on the brink of destruction or on the brink of spiritual evolution. One of those two are are coming very soon.

>>57898940

This post was written by a child.

>>57904410
Maybe, but the anon had a point in there that right now there is a rush to take ownership over all data and personal identity in a data grabbing free-for-all. Add the fact websites that 10 years ago would of gone ape shit at any hint of censorship are now falling over themselves to censor and manipulate content and things looks pretty shit right now.

>>57903512
>discovering cybersex in talk city chat rooms in 1998 while in middle school

>>57890527
\thread

I'm literally using 6 sites, which includes:
4chan for keks, google for index, youtube for cringe keks, wiki for normie-grade information, physorg for science index and scihub for knowledge. The rest of the Internet is irrelevant.

> inb4 autist
which is true

>>57904410

This post was written by a retard.

> Russians
И чтo этo блять дoлжнo знaчить? Cyкa.

>>57890249
Didn't this already happen recently ?

>>57897800
Back in the BBS days it was the norm to use your real name. Learn your internet history, faggot.

>>57905600
No we didn't. It was all handles.

>>57893329
Like Slate, CNN, New York Times, dailystomer?

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>>57893121
>As for being run and written by homogeneous people, that's an issue Wikipedia is trying to solve.
Pedopedia doesn't have to. It's just check out mass media:

>men are problematic
>someone said a mean thing to a woman, UK's PM promise to solve that problem within a week
>if you don't want to have sex with a dwarf black trans-person then ur a haetr
>bodies, bodies, bodies

>>57900873
true though, dumbphones still have advantages in the sense that smart phones just have so many security issues that their use should be minimized (goes for all cell phones really)

>>57900945
>services like Tor,
No something new is needed even Tor is buttfucked up

>>57906245
Anything that requires you to have to trust some third party is out of the question if you want to go full privacy.

I mean, I'm sure this exit node isn't ran by the NSA/GCHQ, but...

>>57906314
Sec through obscurity if anything seems best, if u even care at this point

>>57906379
Cyberpunk always using magnetic media now makes more sense...

>>57906245
Nothing wrong with Tor, the problem is Tor browser aka Firefox ESR.
There is nothing else as big as Tor not only the network but different applications/Linux distro's.
What Tor needs are more exits & users & content ( there gain in the latter nowadays )

>>57890121
>Welcome to people 2.0
>>Memorization has no purpose other than how to google something
Shit, I'm sure keep noticing this for my self

>But seriously, how much worse can it get? What comes next?

Paying 10bux to post on a forum.

>>57889694
>tfw your post explains exacly why we're already living in the /cyberpunk/era

>>57905897
Infowars, tyt, and breitbart more like.

>>57906986
I'd gladly pay 10bux if it meant having good mods and admins who stop the place from deteriorating into a troll-infested hellhole like 4chan. I haven't given a shit about SA since 2003, though.

>>57907140
I think the problem is the anarcho-capitalistic nature of the Web is the problem. Most of the cancer is made specifically for ad revenue.

>>57906986
Won't happen because that forum will die literally.
>>57895848
Everyone is being made addicted to consuming I see this happen a lot around me, probably 9/10 people are addicted to consuming in RL or the internet .
News has alot of influence and since it's so easy to check the news it has a lot of influence same with lots of ads everywhere ( I stopped reading news and only using RSS feeds for the things I want to see works great )

>>57896834
>>57890695
Just to tell you how bad we have it here, in Italy we have 4 tiers of fake news:
>Casaleggio Associati sites: 3 sites that spread constant astroturfing about the M5S party
>Vincenzo Todaro's network: a fucker who made 20+ fake profiles, 10+ sites and groups on Facebook to instigate civil war by constantly fabricating new stories to publish on his pages
>Joke sites: news sites which name contains a common typo or a rendering ambiguity ( Il GioRNale becomes Il GioMale, because rn = m), they're obviously joke sites but normies are taking them seriously
>tinfoil hats: the baseline of quack news, they still have a following after all these years

>>57907193
>Won't happen because that forum will die literally.

The SA forums are still around, though it's arguable that they haven't been relevant since shortly after Lowtax instituted the 10bux paywall some 15 or so years ago. It helped drive out a lot of shitty trolls but it also sort of neutered the wild and weird elements of the forums.

Then moot created 4chan and it soon eclipsed the SA forums as the premier internet comedy community/meme factory.

>>57907200
Question for you Giovanni, are the 5starmovement guys for real or they some opportunist brain washers like the ukip niggers and pegida?
First heard about Beppe when i was living in spain but haven't followed the news about them since i moved out of yurop.

>>57889478
you forgot
>tor

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>>57889478
So I managed to read this thread and I have to throw some sugar into your salt heap:

Why are you everybody so negative and pessimistic?
Seriously this remind me how always generation X tells the new Y is shit.

Internet is just a tool like many other things. In this case, you want to use it as a media to occupy and entertain yourself, fine that is absolutely possible. But claiming it is all going to shit?

Just pick up what is worthwhile. Even here on 4chan, there are majority of posts absolutely worthless. And then there are threads like this one proving "intelligent posters" still exists! It is same with any other media: books, TV, radio, video game streamers whatever:
>just pick good source and ignore the bad ones

And another funny argument:
>new "bloated" technology, give me back my old myspace or even older stuff I don't remember (because I am newfag?)
You guys sounds like people who wrote books manually and then the letterpress was introduced and now they are angry that literal plebs can afford reading about things they will never be able to fully understand.

We are all going to be fine. Maybe I am a bit more protected against your "super mega crap sites" because I am from non-anglo 10M population country so my language barrier protects me from some cancer you guys have to put up when I am browsing our "small local sites", but still
>you are all too salty

I admit that some sites went to shit, but I always managed to find replacements in no time yet. Your visions of internet being like top 10 sites and nothing more is VERY SKEPTICAL.

>cheer up

>>57896736
fravia is dead though, are you implying I should kms

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>>57893973
>>Cripplechan

Pic related

Ive been enjoying Endchan as of late. Dead chans are comfy though its been getting more traffic as more and more refugees are fleeing from. Jim

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The era of the decentralized censorship-proof and fully encrypted freely scaling IPFS based web is almost upon us

>>57889502
This. Smart phones are also the way that many people in really poor third world countries accessed the Internet for the first time. Not that it is bad, but you cannot really CREATE with a smart phone, only CONSUME, which will not make them less poor or happier in the long term.

Also, the way that Google or Apple or Microsoft systems "talk" to their users is also as dumbed down as possible. I read Google's Material design docs when they released and was appalled by their recommendation to give the user a general something went wrong error instead of a specific yet understandable error message. Smart phone operating systems are moving more and more towards this kind of UI every year and dumbing down people along the way.

>>57892538
>>57889694
>>57890527
>any other site is used briefly with a specific purpose in mind i.e. a quick reference lookup on IMDb or a tutorial on YouTube

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. If you are trying at all to reduce your web usage, do not "surf" sites out of boredom. Do everything with a purpose, and your time on the Internet will feel more fulfilling.

Personally, I have reduced my usage of electronic devices (for me, that means either my phone or computer -- I do not own a TV and will never own one, nor do I own any video game consoles) to the bare minimum. Since my career path is in web development (ironically) the minimum is a little more for me.

No computer or phone before 8:00 AM, and not after 10:00 PM. So far I have been successful.

I do not have any social media accounts.

4chan is the closest to entertainment that I get, only browsing /g/ and /o/ (automotive).

Occasional I slip up, but ever day is an improvement. I feel like a drug addict sometimes.

I hope to make the web more purposeful through the skills I learn while using the computer. I love projects like uBlock.

I will probably ditch my phone after I get a comfy job and good connections and no longer need to answer job interview calls.

>>57893222
There's only so much you can do without Javascript now. Can you post without a 4chan pass? Can you post at all?

>>57889478
>a universe of moronic memes
But 4chan helped cause that

Communities degrade as more people join. Small communities exist, you just haven't looked for them.

>malvertising
>JavaScript abuse
This can be blocked.

>social media
>viral media
>clickbait
>linkbait
>likebait
>selfies
>comments sections
This can easily be ignored.

A lot of this can be fixed with a little work.

>>57893222
How viable is Lynx now? Is it your main browser? I used Lynx a bit while installing Gentoo, but never figured it could be usable.

>>57908646
The problem isn't whether or not these things can be personally ignored or opted out of.

The problem is that they have completely seized and transformed mainstream society and our shared expectations of what is normal.

It's hard to ignore all the bullshit that now exists on the internet when everyone around you is constantly, impulsively engaged in it, as though it were as normal as breathing the air.

>>57906986
Nah, it'll be paying a few cents just to view hidden links or threads for unregistered users. The jews like to start small.

>>57908805
A lot of things don't affect you even if others participate in them. Does it really matter if people are taking part in the shallow culture of social media? They'd do that anyway, even if they didn't have the medium. Does it really affect you if other people browse without adblock and with javascript enabled? It's their loss if they don't take those precautions.

>>57908024
IPFS CANNOT HANDLE DYNAMIC CONTENT

>>57899006
>Couldn't they just change from a non-profit to a for-profit one just by shutting down and reopening up shop in the future under a different name?
>>57899064
>Sure, but that would likely trigger a mass exodus of the Wikipedia community when they realize Jimbo's motivations have suddenly changed. They'd just copy the entire contents of old Wikipedia and take them to their new non-profit to continue the work under the same CC license(s).
This has already happened once with wikitravel/wikivoyage.
Also with OpenOffice (sort of).

In both cases, everyone in the community who didn't like the sell out (usually most of the volunteers not in charge) just forked the open source content and made their own and in both cases, it's more popular than the original.

Google might be different but that's because they're basically a better company than Sun or whatever travel agent bought wikitravel. They'd be better hosts about it, probably.

Non-profits usually have a disposal clause in the constitution which limits what can be done with their assets. Add in that Wikipedia's content is open source and can't be owned in its current form and it can't easily be taken over. Assisted and hosted by Google sure but not easily owned in a legal sense.

>>57899145
>Google tried making its own "curated" Wikipedia competitor years ago and it sucked dick. It was called Knol.
I'd totally forgotten about that.

The only reason for Google to want to own Wikipedia is to host adds and they already indirectly host adds on it by having everyone just type "wikipedia age of consent laws japan" or whatever in their browser which automatically googles it. Who actually opens Wikipedia to the root page and does an on-site search for a term?

>>57889478
>>malicious trolling/doxxing
oh no, especially in the context of dirty politicians and media people this is unacceptable
>>crackpot conspiracy theories bleeding into the mainstream
don't tell me you fell for the fake news meme, the last gasp of breath for the legacy media before they submerge forever...
>>post-truth special snowflakes who confuse their personal feelings with fact
like you
>>Russians
hillary shill confirmed, I thought you guys weren't getting paid any more?

>>57901446
>he's actually a 400lb neckbeard
>STILL thinks he talks to people
Go out, senpai.

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>>57889478
Reminder

>>57898408
> they say things like how 16GB of memory is the minimum
Actually, I think 16GB is the minimum if you've contracted the "tab is the new bookmark" disease.

>>57908320
Are you on the spectrum?

>>57889478
>having to download 2MB of web 2.0 mumbo jumbo just to read a text that hardly exceeds 100 kB
>having to contact like 10 different domains to download 25 scripts just to get your page rendering as intended

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>>57910550
So, 3-4 years later, we won the fight, yes?
Row row fight the power and all that dank shit, what a waste of time.

Also, fuck 4chan and their embedded images, spam detection and SHOP FRONT captchas that turn into 40 extra shops.

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>>57910750
>fight the power
We can't, anon. Not like this.

>>57891886
Yep. I basically only interact with 4chan, Usenet, IRC, and a couple autism-driven hobby forums.

I visit far fewer sites than I even did way back in say 1995.

>>57895004
Since the beginning, fundamentally it's just a bunch of computers calling each other and dumping articles.

You can federate with any Usenet server which allows you access, if you're a small or single user site look into leafnode.

>>57905808
You had a handle, but you signed up for the BBS with your real name. Near the end a lot more kids started getting on and it did become more anonymous, yeah.

>>57895289
So I've been thinking, what about a non-HTTP protocol? Urbit's striving to do this, and add layers of privacy and anonymity as well.

>>57907789
eat shit

>>57911018
It would be fun for maybe a year before it too would be monetized.

>>57907133
right, MSM are more reliable! 98% chances of winning eh?

>>57895920
Usenet's rec.food.cooking has more traffic than any other cooking forum, and while it has some trolls it's easy to killfile them.

>>57906724
>Canada
Why am I not surprised? Fucking leafs ruined my web

>>57907789
then go back to your non-anglo safespace dum dum.

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>>57908024
>you can no longer be able to by any means delete your personal data off cyberspace
NOTHING TO FEAR, NOTHING TO HIDE

>>57907133
Anon we all remember hands up don't shoot, 77 cents, 1 in 5 women are raped, WMDs, not all <x>, religion of peace, just a coincidence, photoshopping black criminals to make them look white, etc. etc.

Tbh I think wilfully misinforming the public should be a crime.

>>57893620
>Search engines are why the web is consolidating into a single, unified pile of corporatized shit.
This.

>>57896934
>IRC is even more of a no-go than 4chan. Unless you are absolutely sure you are properly obscured you should watch what you say.
Why?

>>57911342
I wonder if there is truth to this idea

>>57890617
i have an assistant ship at my university where i have to teach a class on computer basics to freshman: internet browsing, word, powerpoint, etc. We dedicate about 30 minutes of one class to showing them how to search on Google, and some of them still can't google for shit.

>>57911933
Tell me more. What do you attribute this to? learned helplessness? ("I searched for it and can't find it, I just give up") Or do they keep trying but try retarded things?

>>57907349
Not him but I still have troubles myself understanding if they are plain retards or dishonest.
Probably a mix of the two, with the higher ups being opportunist brainwashers and the other eing plain retards.
The 5sm supporter I know IRL are usually far from being the lightest bulb, except a couple of exception wich even if they are pretty smart grew up in tinfoil hat families.

>>57911970
I mostly attribute it to disinterest. They simply don't care about learning it. Granted, it can be difficult to get enthusiastic about learning how to search google. I try to spice up that lecture by showing them a harmless google dork or two for random webcams, and searching for silly shit, but it only goes so far.

and I think many assume they know much more than they actually do. An "I can type a word into a search engine, I know all i need to know" attitude.

>>57910621
>a really down to earth, healthy post
>are you on the spectrum?

>>57889478
Behavioural targeting: it's all over, welcome 1984

>>57911576
>Why?
The SJW patrol cut their teeth there and are still at it.

>>57911066
Only if the system allows for it. It would be hard to monetise something like Gopher or ssh-ing into BBSs since the protocol is so simple that it would be easy for anyone to host a meeting place or content that's way from the reach of advertisers. Plus, how do you monetize something as basic as a text file?

>>57911795
It's obvious when you think about it. Popular (and "popular") sites appear higher in the results and as such are clicked on more, which puts then higher in the results, and so on and so forth.

>>57891854
In what good goy country do you live?

Anybody here has any experience creating a personal home page?

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>>57910694
>tfw you sold your soul to read a shitpost

>>57912358
but like how would they identify me?

>>57892748
I hate when I enter YouTube... And all I can see are "popular" videos... And my recommendations are videos that I already saw... RIP YouTube. 2004-2012

>>57912385
>Plus, how do you monetize something as basic as a text file?

Why that would be impossible.

Sent from my iPad

>>57912887
>And my recommendations are videos that I already saw
Goddamn this is the worst thing ever.

"Hey have you forgotten how to find this video you watched 30 minutes ago? Wanna watch it again? Well I don't care I'm going to keep showing it to you from now until the end of time because FUCK YOU"

>>57902164
>le "darknet" meme
underage pls gtfo

>>57912886
Your ip address for one, your nick for another, and most irc is logged these days by participants or the service, so they could look at your messages and try to doxx you with clues

>>57912961
my sister was a junkie for a while and exclusively bought her dope over tor because she didn't know any other users

>>57912967
I don't see what my IP address is liable to tell them and the rest is no different to using discord or etc.

>>57912992
>I don't see what my IP address is liable to tell them
You don't know who they know, though.

Remember these are angry leftists, they've infiltrated most of the damn SJW-friendly operations like Google by now, and Google can certainly correlate your IP and identity unless you're one clever anon.

They should change the name to IRC Relay Chat

>>57913018
Well it's possible. Bit of a stretch, but possible.

>>57889478
>le born in wrong generation xD
>>>/vr/

Go on, buy cheap 5$ hosting and make your own website.

>>57905205
It's already happening, yes. That's actually the frightening part because the real IoT boom has not even started. I went to CeBIT this year and "IoT" was the number one buzzword. We'll be swarmed by this shit in the next few years so these botnets will grow exponentially.

>>57911036
>>57911243

Don't tell me I managed to trigger somebody on /g/ that hard?

>>57907789
I'm generation z? Never knew, thought that 1996 was y.

>>57913517
your bait was only 2/10, i have no idea who would reply to such stale drivel

>>57912976
>dope
Do you mean weed or narcotics?

>>57907200
Giuseppe Mazzini would be proud.

>>57895920
Root your phone and get AdAway or something, anon. DNS66 is also a viable solution if you don't want to root.

>>57896955
>normie friends
Jesus Christ, fucking STOP using this fucking abomination of a word. Say "normalfag", please.