Why does a high-end business laptop from 2016 still feature a

>>57864793
how else would you send a fax?
go be 12 somewhere else.

fax

>>/out/

>>57864801
not the OP, but how much longer do we have to put up with this Fax bullshit? when the boomers die can we just email things please?

>>57864811
fax is still huge in japan

no idea why

same with CRT's

built in modem? what?

you mean the ethernet port?

is dial up free now?

it's probably not usable since a lot of websites take more bandwidth to load now

>>57864793
What do you think is the modem port on that one?

The rare fax.
Guy out in the field in Shitsville where the only internet connection is dialup.
Some industry specific hardware component of the workflow is old, but still works and hasn't been replaced.

It still gets some use, but few & far between and almost unneeded by the general populace. Maybe Apple was on to something when they dropped it a decade ago.

>>57864793
So uh, what part of that ethernet port is for phone lines?

>>57864801
this desu
my c2d elitebook allows me to fax
why does OP want to move backwards

>>57864910
because they don't understand shit except tendies and the wireless.

>>57864793
>laptop from 2016 still feature a built-in dial-up modem
which laptop does that?

>>57864793
>built-in dial-up modem
Where?

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>>57864793
Hey OP... its asked over and over again... Where that modem at? I see usb, displayport, HDMI and SDcard... some headphone combo jack and powr. And what you know... Superior Network cable shit you apple fag cant deal with? Go die with your all USB-c port apple crap.

Yeah im mad. im mad because of n00bs actualy believing thats a modem (ive met those ppl, i scratch you apple shit when you watch)

>>57864793
0/10 I can't believe morons fell for it.
>>57864811
There's nothing wrong with faxing and a lot wrong with email.

>t560 rather than t460

what the actual fuck is wrong with you op? the 14 inch laptop is the pinnacle of portable computing - not too big, and not so small you get headaches from reading text for ants

reported

>>57864793
My T400 has an honest to god 56000bps modem on it. Great for faxing though!

>>57864811
>>57864820

Don't know about Japan, but fax is usually used for legal reasons.
Specifically: so you can sign a document and have it be legally binding.

>>57864801
>how else would you send a fax?

Internet service where you upload a document and they fax it for you?
I just use my multi-function printer/copier though.

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Some of them still come with this

>>57864811
What is hippo compliance?

>>57866500
good for older projector screens and another monitor (and did we mention i2c ?)

>>57866526
I know you can weasel i2c comms out, but how many people actually do this and how well does it work? Might be handy, but I haven't tried it.

>>57866146
Pic should also read
>Kids today don't know how much these sucked

>>57866159
Why is this?

>can't lose it
>can't pretend you didn't get it
>can send 1000 copies in an instant
>mailing groups

>>57866456
only because the places where those rules are made are run by boomers. we have e-signing services now.

Forget about faxing... the only time I've had to use a printer in the past 15 years was to interface with a boomer

half this thread are answering the question and the other half are pointing out that OP pic has no modem but rather an NIC card!!

>>57866553
>only because the places where those rules are made are run by boomers. we have e-signing services now.

That is true.

>>57866562
And the 3rd half realized OP was trolling.

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why does apple still make an adaptor for it? come on guys it's 2016

>>57866500
I wish mine did.

Now I have to carry an adapter.

>>57866232
Not OP, but the 560 had a 21 hour battery life vs the 460/260's 17.

>>57866553
>can't lose it
There is no delivery confirmation and emails get lost all the time.
>can't pretend you didn't get it
You ARE talking about emails, right?
>can send 1000 copies in an instant
You can send faxes to multiple people at once.

>>57866601
Proper term is dongle. As in "i cant do anything on my new macbook pro without having a dozen dongles in my bag."

>>57866624
>emails get lost all the time.

No they don't.

People are retards...that's something else, but the e-mails are always there.

>>57866595
>3rd half

>>57866640
I always thought a dongle was from wired to wireless. (wifi, 4G, bluetooth, etc) and an adapter was from wired to wired?

>>57866553
I know stuff gets old and replaced by newer standards. but some are just so handy... if they keep making official adapters, maybe business laptops are fine still with them. Consumer versions dont matter, they can switch to newer tech and drop old ones just to keep the cost down.

Businesslaptops beter come with options to include older hardware. They happely pay for them if needed.

Diskettes did suck, and 1.33Mb is not much. back in 1996 I was real happy with CD-burners. but kids these days.... im feeling old

>>57866526
>i2c over vga
Holy shit, that's the first thing I learned from /g/. This is some good shit.

>>57866624
That was a quick list I made in about 10 seconds. I also like how you ignored mailing groups.

e-mail servers respond instantly with a failure. that "oh I didn't get it so I can't do my job!" line might work if you're working with someone at a different company... internally, nobody buys this anymore. There are also forced send receipts for exceptionally unworthy recipients.

The real problem with faxes is the fact that you have to have the paper both before and after. It can get lost, destroyed, etc. also after a few days you are going to have cabinets of paper with no record on who sent what.

If you're a privacy sperg, you don't have to use g-mail, if this is the problem you're having, you can pay for a different host.

Even if you think there's a need for a document, you can just scan it and e-mail. there's no need for faxing anymore and really no need for printers because you can electronically sign. Problem is no organization run by boomers is going to accept this kind of thing and pretend to cite some "government rule" - yet how could these e-signature services exist if it wasn't accepted?

>>57866715
>If you're a privacy sperg, you don't have to use g-mail, if this is the problem you're having, you can pay for a different host.

All e-mail is unencrypted and can be read by anyone on the network.

>>57866695
Not all mobo support access, Linux ofcourse helps alott (kernel modules and shit)

http://hackaday.com/2014/06/18/i2c-from-your-vga-port/

I tried reading my Xbox (classic) eprom. program saw the bus and ic.. could not read the ic. im a noob linux user. but i managed with a arduino. still able to let a led flash from a I/O expander somehow, no reading (but its used for ID reading... I dont get it)

>>57864801
>what is FoIP for $9001

>>57866694
this will only end poorly for everyone as you become the next generation of boomers whining about typewriters, yet if they ever meet another boomer, suddenly it's "remember how bad typewriters sucked"

There's really just no use case for them anymore. Finding some society which is 20 years behind the curve doesn't count. outside the data limit, they were unreliable, and would die after just a couple of years. there was no real long term way to store them. also probably required extra packing to be shipped since they count as "fragile"

the new typewriter conversation goes like this
>Hey kid you don't know what we had back in the day, floppies, they were so much better than what we have today
>>Well they really weren't because -
>Fuck off kid, you don't know shit

later on some other person your age walks in
>Hey dude remember floppies?
>I remember how much they sucked
>yup fuck that shit, wasted most of my time just trying to use them

kid walks back in
>Hey here's the kid who doesn't know about floppies!

This behavior is toxic and only results in everyone being worse off. You MUST go and find your floppy collection in your attic and burn it. BTW, remember to take the floppy collection outside before you burn it.

>>57866746
except for the part it isn't. I'm sure faxes have SSL handshakes right? stop cherry picking you contrarian.

>>57864809
>Doesn't know how to reply
>Can't link to other boards
Hello newfriend!

>>57864827
Look at the shape of the port. It is built to be able to accept 8p8c & rj-11.

>>57866807
Your right for the most if not all parts.
Floppies and diskettes are bad, and most people should toss em out. either backup that rare sourcecode or consider it lost.

VGA isnt that dead yet (sadly) because there are plenty of shitholes in western countries or china still with VGA input only.

We need faster wifi, to beat in office network speeds for workhorse laptops. Hipsters and gamers dont realy need it. it will come in time.

Dont care bout kids not knowing what some old tech is, its better to get new tech work and generaly accepted. but the usb-c only on the new mac isnt for business, its for private use.

>>57866232
>no numpad
trashman.jpg

>>57864793
Because it's useful? I live in an old appartment and the thick walls mean that the wifi fucking sucks ass and dick. I plug my computer directly into one of those plug modem things and bang presto zap! I've got the interweb! Isn't that cool?

>>57864811

>let's remove functionality just to have less ports

you sound like an apple fan

>>57866858
It probably costs them very little extra to have an port that can accept rj45 and rj11.

>>57866829
>I'm sure faxes have SSL handshakes right?
Fax machines support encryption, yes.

>>57864793
OP is a fucking cock sucking underaged faggot.

Saged.

>>57866553
>only because the places where those rules are made are run by boomers. we have e-signing services now.
Just like snail mail, the reason why fax is still important, despite the existence of other faster methods, is redundancy. When we are sending something important, we email, fax, and first class mail the recipient so in case one doesn't come through, the other two would hopefully find their way. This also minimizes the chances that the recipient would say "lol what document."
tl;dr it's for protection

>>57864902

The two middle pins of the ethernet port are ring and tip.

>>57870006

Literally every single RJ45 port can physically accept RJ11 plugs.

>>57864820
CRT provides a better picture quality and higher refresh rate

>>57866562
>network interface card card

>>57866607
This, my Uni still has some projectors that are SVGA only.

>>57870080
>This also minimizes the chances that the recipient would say "lol what document."
>tl;dr it's for protection


Can just pretend the fax never arrived for some unknown reason.

>>57866807
I-I still use a typewriter.

>>57866686
yes, dongles only refer to wireless adapter

>>57870366
>Can just pretend the fax never arrived for some unknown reason.
>what are fax return sheets
Have you ever worked in an office environment before?

>>57870400
Shut up you retarded dongle.

>>57864811
Just being devils advocate for a minute. Email is extremely easy to fake, faxes are tied to a land line so you can match that phone number to the person who is sending it and have some kind of "proof of authenticity"

>>57864833
Honestly, if dial up were free, that would be the best VPN ever if you're going to do anything that requires maximum privacy. But then again, cell phone connections are a thing.

Just think, using dial up exclusively to get on IRC.

>>57866232
I seen a L440 for $300 brand new in box. Should I cop it

>>57870678
after the other machine prints your message, you get a fax confirmation output showing among other things the sender's number, the recipient's number, the timestamp, the number of pages sent and received, and the top half of the first page you have sent. There's some random numbers on the sheet but I don't know what those are exactly

>>57870711
The L is for lame.

>>57870767
Not for me, my dad needs a new computer. I'd get him a t420 but that is getting too out of date now. He'll probably only use it at the desk so it would be cool.

>>57864793
what model is it ?

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>>57870842
Sandy bridge is still fine for normal stuff. Why not get him a 15" or larger one because old people have terrible eyesight?

>>57870896
pic related

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>>57864793
not the Precision though

>>57866500
>mfw all servers still only have VGA ports
>let's convert this digital signal into analogue so the digital monitor has to convert it back again
>let's make sure shitty monitors cut off console text cos they can't auto-adjust properly

fucking why

>VGA is 0.4 cents cheaper than DVI m8

uh huh

>>57870405
Yes, but I have never sent a fax before... I am only 30

>>57864811
Nigga did you even watch Back to the Future: Part 2? In 2015 they had a fax machine in every room of the house... even the shitter!

>>57864793
>chinkpad
>high-end business laptop

kek

>>57866686
you are correct, americucks tend to deform language though.

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one word , spy's.

>>57864801
Probably one of the dozens of web-based solutions for sending faxes that have specifically been created so that you don't need this kind of shit.

Go be a luddite somewhere else.

>>57870366
>120$ for what is Certified Mail

>>57864793
because amazingly enough dialup access is still necessary when working in remote locations. There's no modem hardware, it's just an RJ11 port going to the sound card and a software modem.

>>57873716
>trying to shill botnets on /g/

great job, are you going to go on a sjw crusade on /pol/ next?

>>57864801
By taking a picture with my fucking phone and texting someone.

>>57864827
this

OP's underage, should be banned

>>57864793
HIPAA

>>57866500
Must piss off the Jews, no copy protection on VGA.

>>57870400
Dongles originally were software protection doodads that hung off the back of your parallel port you mongrel chink child.

>>57871139
>that awful keyboard
why must every company do this

>>57864793
2/10

>>57866500
That was the reason why I'm still with my 201 netbook but not cool 2016 ultrabook.

>>57875362
This.

A "dongle" can be any small device that hangs off a port, whether it be a cable adapter, wireless, or whatever. Copy protection dongles are still a thing, too, they're just USB now.

I built a PC for a recording studio a while back and several of the programs and plugins it used were dongle-protected. A lot of professional software and hardware still uses dongles, for example most factory automotive diagnostic computers require them. They're also used for stuff other than copy protection, like on some CNC machines, where they're used as a key to keep unauthorized personnel from tampering with things.

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That's an Ethernet port. Phone ports (used for dial-up) look a little different.

Some modern laptops still use Ethernet for networks where Wi-Fi is not available, or for use with operating systems that have non-functioning Wi-Fi drivers (whereby one may have to download drivers from the Internet, because they are non-free and the group who made the distro figured you'd not want them included by default).

>>57864801
Former foreclosure tax & title guy here, government offices love faxes like they love cocks. Especially in Illinois and Indiana. You have to fax them something to get a correspondence sheet via fax, which you fill out and fax back, then they fax back the info you need.

>>57870736
everything about that can be trivially faked

>>57864820

Probably because of their writing, since fax is like a photograph. Legal documents faxed are considered served.

>>57876427
How about I scan it and email it?
How about I forge it in Photoshop and then run it through the fax?

>>57876441
All the other fax security reason and fixed phone line. If it is a fake fax it will be discovered and the will be evidence of who sent it from where and when.

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>>57866640
>Proper term is dongle.
No, you retard. Dongles were devices used for copyright and anti-piracy protection. Adapter (adaptor is also acceptable) are devices that convert between protocols or signals or connectors.

>>57870185
>Being in this much denial

>>57866757
>Not using IPoF

>>57876470
The only think you'd be able to be reasonably sure of is the time you received the fax. Everything else is totally spoofable.

For the same reason out of band console servers have RJ-11.

>>57866553
>Pic should also read
>Kids today don't know how much these sucked

These were fantastic in their time, I understand that looking back now they're slow and outdated, but floppies were, for many of us, the only way to transfer data between computers.

>me in hs
>mp3s are the new thing this year
>making my first mix cd
>school has isdn, more then my 33.6k modem
>commence downloading guns_n_roses_-_welcome_to_the_jungle.mp3
>come back tomorrow
>winzip that shit over 3 floppies
>whole cd that way
>have pentium 133 and 486dx2 at home with Soundblaster 16
>have to decompress mp3 to wav in order to play it

The struggle was real

>>57864811
I work in the IT department for a major metropolitan hospital and in healthcare the fax is very much alive and well

>>57864793
chinkpads aren't high-end
you want high-end, get a Latitude

Because fuck setting up group policies to work via wireless on PCs with anything older than Win8.1

>>57864833
Dial-up will never be free because people will instantly use all the bandwidth as a second connection just use as a vpn/pirate shit over

>>57877565
Precision. Latitude are Ultrabook shits with awful keyboards now.

>>57877758
the one I'm using has a great keyboard
E5250
the Ultrabook shit you're refering to is just a XPS with core m renamed to Latitude

>>57864793
>Expresscard slot

man I wish laptops still came with those, or something similar. They were great for adding things to laptops.

>>57864793
But it does not, Lenovo remove the dial up modems after the *20 series, the *30 and up no longer feature it
Lenovo left real journalists stranded with no dial up since then

>>57876026
>getting cucked into using an OS that ships with non-free binary blobs
Typical fucking tripfag.

>>57877257
>me in hs
>mp3s are the new thing this year
>making my first mix cd
>school has isdn, more then my 33.6k modem
>commence downloading guns_n_roses_-_welcome_to_the_jungle.mp3
>come back tomorrow
>winzip that shit over 3 floppies
>whole cd that way
>have pentium 133 and 486dx2 at home with Soundblaster 16
>have to decompress mp3 to wav in order to play it

That was basically me in my dorm room at 1st year of University. I applied for my accomodation so late all they could give me was one of the tiny shitty prison cell rooms with no ethernet ports. So I'd spend many evenings with a box of floppies and a copy of chainsaw, ferrying shit back to my room 1.44mb at a time

>>57880006
>want to use hardware
>can't because your autism won't allow you to use the software it requires to run
This is a new level of retarded.

>>57877781
E7470. Keyboard was inferior to both my E6430 and T420. The true latitude successor is the 5000 series Precision. ~2kg, great keyboard, full powered CPU, CAD dGPU instead of the ULV + integrated ultrabook shits they have now

>>57864811
>>57864820
Fax is more secure than email, you fucking manchildren. Why do you think businesses still keep paper records?
I hate your generation.

>>57880506
>transmitted completely unencrypted over public switched telephone network
>more secure

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>>57866748

>alott

>>57866663
Yeah but the whole point of technology is to help the people who are occupied with other things. If a system isn't at least a little fool proof, then its not helping and you might not have it in the first place

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>>57877257
>>57880054
the process repeats itself.

here is the boomer version of "muh it was all that *we* had"

>>57880506
Fax is not secure

Intercepting faxes is trivial

>>57864793
In case you travel to where brown people live

>>57871332
>not using a green-screen crt with your server

>>57876483
>>57866640
>>57866601
>>57866686
Its because Dongle sounds funnier and triggers feminists for some reason

>>57870698
>Just think, using dial up exclusively to get on IRC.

That's called a conference call.