This is spooking me out, I use Linux from time to time same goes

Many people dislike Systemd because of its ever growing hunger of power and control over Linux.

What it should be is an init system, what it actually is, right now:
- Init
- Console management
- Login manager
- Boot manager
- Network manager (including wrapping glibc functions like gethostbyname)
- Device manager
- Time manager

And it's not stopping here, Unified package management is next and who knows after that.

Some like that Linux is getting more homogeneous, some dislike it.

I mostly dislike that now a DNS query that used to be a glibc call involves serializing the request in XML (goodbye my old friend) and be thrown around DBus

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>>57848680
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

systemd is infiltration, or maybe a form of EEE. The goal of systemd is to embed itself very deeply into the Linux ecosystem. Perhaps eventually, with a high enough degree of intertwinement and enough sympathetic kernel developers, Red Hat hopes to take a shot at the kernel.

Consider also who would benefit from Linux having its most sensitive outward-facing components replaced with something more complex and fragile, either de facto (through distros having to switch to systemd because too much software depends on some systemd features) or de jure (integrating systemd parts into the kernel). Hmmmmmm really makes you think...

build your own new free OS if you're afraid of systemd

it's not that hard. oh wait, it is. haha

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>>57848763
>>57848832
Sounds sinister.
I have heard that the Red Hat corporation got ties within the US government but I'm not to sure and mentioned >inflitration
sounds like a big brother type of operation is going on within the "linux ecosystem", Guess I won't be using linux no more, too scary.

>>57848936
Certainly Red Hat has "a relationship" with the NSA.

Combine this sort of thing with Intel's hardware backdoors and we're looking at an interesting future.

When you have access to things nobody else does it is no longer a thing of good will to stay the good guy.

They will either be forced or will give all the necessary tools to NSA themselves.

>>57848936
I've been saying this for years: if systemd is an NSA proyect to spy on Linux users, then they would be the most retarded people on Earth.

X11 would be a much better target since:
>every program can access all of mouse and keyboard input
>it has networking capabilities
>it's 30-year old source code is a clusterfuck and nobody has attempted to even audit it
>every distribution needs it. Even those that don't use the Linux kernel
>you could easily output all of the video to another PC since that's pretty much what X was designed to do

Now, systemd is dangerous because it gives Red Hat too much power over other distros. PulseAudio, systemd, the Linux kernel itself, GTK+, GNOME, Wayland and now Flatpak. It's impossible to use GNU/Linux without Red Hat software. Everyone is too busy putting a GTK theme on a distro and calling it a new distro, attacking Canonical or SUSE for not contributing enough or participating in shitty flamewars (literally /g/) to even care.

>>57849046
>every program can access all of mouse and keyboard input
>it has networking capabilities
>every distribution needs it. Even those that don't use the Linux kernel
Same as systemd.

>it's 30-year old source code is a clusterfuck and nobody has attempted to even audit it
Easier to create your own project than to infiltrate X server.

>>57848763
>XML
>dbus
How they managed to join the two greatest evils in the world in a single process is beyond me

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>>57848680
Too much danger of depending on it and the developers can come out with a hidden agenda to make RedHat and a few selected companies to control over a cascade of dependency which you can't escape if they decide to put a backdoor in the end.

Is like they copy a trick or two from Microsoft.

>>57849046
Look for a phoronix citing how systemd can take snapshots of your desktop through wayland.