/tpg/ - ThinkPad General

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This T42 gets more and more games every day

Although im running out of hard drive space

>>57844907
vice city was the shit

since these threads are usually blog posts anyways, i'll share something

my first thinkpad is a t430 with 1366x768 which is what i am using right now and is my main pc

i bought a 2nd one that was cheaper, only 4gb of ram from a refurber, but it had 1600x900 res

i just booted it for the first time with ubuntu and put them both side by side, and i couldn't believe it. all this time i had been using these shitty 768 panels, i had no idea it was this great of a difference

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>>57844934
I had a 15" T42 once with a 1400x1050 screen bastardized onto it

Semi related pic is the whole family
15" T42 is ded


Left to right
R52
380ED
X41 Tablet
G40
R30
T42

In the back center is an IBM LCD i cant find the name of

>>57845016
>tfw still in college and can't blow my money on hobbies yet

jelly anon, really nice

real shame that guy doing the x62 isn't easily accessible

>>57845055
This aint much of an expensive hobby
The only expensive ones were the G40 and 380ED
Rest were under 50$ Each with upgrade parts included

The x62 looks really cool, if love to have one, but at the same time i kind of like the limitations of these older thinkpads. Keeps things simple, also keeps parts cheap, 1gb sticks of ram for shit this old is like 3$, pentium M's and shit cost nothing

>>57844594
for some reason i have a desire to buy a thinkpad and run Tails OS on it but im not sure what to do with it after all that. what fun things would you / do you do with a machine like that?

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What are you lads expecting in the mail?

>>57845391
An i7 2640m for my T420.

>>57845116
>G40
>expensive
Mine was $30 and $3 or so for RAM. It needs a new HDD, but then again so do all my other systems from that era.

what exactly is the hobby part of thinkpads? just owning an old laptop?

>>57845391
a refurbished t420, looks like it's brand new.

>>57844594

/pol/ack here.

Thinkpads were and are the greatest laptops ever made! Very reliable and very maintainable! Thank you for this thread!

>>57845423
Mine was about 70$ because it came near mint with an EE P4 in the box with it
Only one i saw for more than a month, so even though it was expensive i figured i might as well if it also came with the EE p4 and other shit like the original adapter

Just bought a genuine 9 cell lenovo x220 battery on amazon, sealed new condition for $71. Did I do good?

>>57845391
Hahah what the hell is this from?

>>57845116
>>57845423
>>57845713
Where do you get them so cheap? I'm in the us of trump

>>57846258
eBay like every other used computer ever

>>57845651
I dunno what your nazi shit has to do with thinkpads

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Got a t430 with and 8gb of ram and 180GB SSD arriving in the mail.

The seller said that it had Intel Graphics 3000 which seemed strange to me because I checked and the T430 has Intel Graphics 4000. Hopefully that is the only thing in the listing that was wrong :/

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>>57846258
ebay

cheapest if you buy ones that are missing parts or have something broken, never bios locked ones of course but the standard "No HDD, no OS, no ram, etc" is much cheaper and the parts are cheap too.

They make decent shitposting machines.

My T42 i got for 20$, a 2ghz pentium m and another 1gb ram stick was like 20$ total, maybe a few more with shipping

but its able to play everything on the right of my desktop here
im fucking loving old school counterstrike

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>>57846403

Do you think that when Intel was testing the Pentium M one of the engineers looked at the pile of destroyed prototypes and then filled out a report and then right before he handed it to his superiors for review he said something like "Many Dothans died to bring us this information"?

Because I do

>>57845391
ultraybay caddy for my t420

>>57846374
t430 is ivy bridge so it will have hd graphics 4000
t420 was the one with intel hd graphics 3000

>>57846488
God dammit carlos

>>57844934
I bought my first Thinkpad this week, but I know this feel to an even greater extreme. I've been using a 15" Acer for about four years straight, but last month I got my hands on a Chromebook Pixel LS that just made my eyes explode when I first saw it.

My priority is to get a higher res screen on my T420 once I upgrade its RAM and put in an mSATA.

Enjoying my X200 but decided I wanted something a little bigger and powerful for longer trips. Copped a T430 i5 3320m with 4gb ram and 500gb HDD but no charging cable (offered less for no ram/HDD but got denied). Was $125 a decent price for this and will my X200 charger work? Looks in good condition, just has some scuffs on the lid.

>>57846587
Yeah that's what I thought, I am from Australia though and sometimes we get different tech stuff than the US and EU. I was also thinking maybe it was a t430i or some variant with a shittier processor/gpu

>>57844594
Planning to buy myself a good ThinkPad for christmas, any recommendations?

Main usage:
>Secure browsing and storing files
>Programming and executing code
>Light gaming with heavy internet usage

Budget:
200$ USD and below.

I am actually doing my own research atm, but I would like more information so I can be certain that I am making the right choice.

>>57846837
Also, are refurbished ThinkPads worth my time if the price is average, or should I not take a chance?

>>57845391
1600x900 screen, speaker grills and trackpoint nipples for my T420.

>>57847082
Are you upgrading from a 1366x768 screen?

>>57846860
Sure.

- Upgrade ability
- Linux support
- Ease of repair

You can't get these deals anywhere else. If you can find an equivalently specced laptop chances are you won't be able to upgrade it, linux support will be spotty and you'll have to contend with shitty hardware design and also you won't be able to repair anything due to unremovable batteries and ram/hdd that are soldered to the motherboard.

>>57845391
t430

>>57847115
Yes, I do.

>>57847164
Cool. Are you following a guide for the upgrade? I've been considering it but I'm not too confident about the display cable stuff I looked at on the thinkwiki page.

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Just picked this up for 200 with these specs. Exterior is a bit battered (you can tell its seen some shit) but its fully functioning. Loving it so far very snappy and responsive machine

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>>57845391
>>57844594
I'm actually expecting a P50 that should arrive by the middle of this week.

Has/Does anyone else use a P50? Anything I should be wary of?

If any of you actually carry your thinkpads, how do you transport them? Do you use a carrying case? Messenger bag? Backpack?

>>57847587
I have a P50. 4K display, 64GB of memory, 6870HQ, M2000M. I really don't like it. I'm probably going to put it on ebay within a week or so. Can't decided if I dislike it or my 2015 MBP more.

Yes, I know this isn't actually a helpful post

>>57847653
just a regular backpack

>>57847706
What do you not like about it

>>57847706
>64GB of memory
For what fucking purpose

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>>57847743
Nothing you can avoid with a current-gen TP. If you're not spoiled by older machines you're probably fine.

>>57847748
Computery stuff

>forced to use Linux because Win10 is too sluggish on my T520.

How do I fix this? Upgrading to Windows 10 was a big mistake.

>>57847653
i have an IBM laptop bag from 1997 to go with my IBM thinkpad from 1997

>>57847230
I've already bought one cheap ass panel, tried to upgrade, but it was broken. Already placed HD+ cable inside, it works with my 768p panel for now.

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> tfw converted another normie friend into a thinkpad adept
He's getting X201, what does one install on Windows to keep it as normieproof as possible? I can only remember Unchecky.

>>57847916
Can you just buy an HD+ cable and 1600x900 screen and put them into an T420 with no extra work? No modifications necessary?

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>>57847653
BP100 ThinkPad Backpack so everyone knows i'm a living meme :^)

Hey why are you not buying latitude E5430 instead of T430?

>cheaper
>no chiklet keyboard

>>57847973
Yes. It requires a bit of skill to put the new cable in. My old one died during this operation.

>>57847984
I bet you're gonna put stickers on it too.

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>>57847949
Beware of updating the BIOS on the x201, as it has been reported that this may cause an MEBx error (requiring a keypress on boot, further implications still unknown). A solution to that might be upgrading the ME firmware itself afterwards, but unfortunately the ME firmware update seems "upgrade" the AMT botnet too (such as adding remote access via wireless in addition to ethernet). Pic related is the version history of the ME firmware for the x201, the possible fix to the main BIOS update side effect marked in green.

So is the old keyboard being better than the new one a meme?

>>57848299
Anyone who says that is trolling.

>>57845391
T430, and a few modifications coming throughout the week, including a better panel as well as a new battery. So fucking excited to move from my old mba.

>>57846837
t420/t430
t220/t230

Those are the sweetspot buys.

>>57847817
sweet mother of fucking christ
why would you build such a thing

>>57848472
Surely you mean X220/X230?

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>tfw reinstalling windows 7

this is the last driver i need for my x220. where do i find it? if it is on the lenovo website then its lumped in or mislabeled.

also, my bios is from 2011. do i update it or leave it alone?

>>57849842
NO.

This is fucking Management Engine / AMT botnet.

>DISABLE
>IGNORE
>DO NOT INSTALL DRIVER

>>57849842
>also, my bios is from 2011. do i update it or leave it alone?

Here >>57848284 you have an example what might happen if you update the base BIOS on an x201 (you might end up with a ME error and then be forced to update the botnet firmware too to get rid of it). Dunno how great such risk is with the x220, but yea, just so you know. With 2010+ Intel shit, generally caution and mistrust are advised.

Have an x220 running under win7, any idea why would the Thinkpad button not work at all? Tried in the bios but no response.

>>57845391
i7 X230 just turned up.

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>>57849858
This. Not installing the driver obviously won't disable the botnet, but then again installing the driver doesn't make any sense either if it is your private-owned laptop.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uberwall.org%2Fbin%2Fdownload%2Fdownload%2F102%2Flacon12_intel_amt.pdf

Yea, nay?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/322321950487

Where's a good place to buy Crucial RAM?

>>57849925
that's not bad, thanks

Hey /tpg/, I am looking for a 12-13" laptop to serve as my new daily driver, I got tired of lugging around my T420 + powerbrick.

What I am looking for:
- decent screen (>1366x768)
- robust
- 2 SODIMM slots
- good battery life
- performance at least equivalent to my T420's i5-2560m
- good linux support is a must

before you say x220: i am not going to fuck around with soldering custom add-on boards just to get a decent screen

>>57849858
>>57849925

so i did good? i looked up amt and then decided not to install them. i only did the intel chipset and wireless drivers.

when i start getting some more money i am gonna get a separate windows machine and un-cuck this thinkpad.

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Gonna paint my R52 white, piece by piece
And yes i removed the ibm sticker first, its under a brass bar being un-curled

>>57850081
According to this http://hardenedlinux.org/firmware/2016/11/17/neutralize_ME_firmware_on_sandybridge_and_ivybridge.html uncucking the x220 should indeed be possible if you are up to the task of performing the procedure. Once this is done, that device shouldn't be appearing in device manager any further.

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>will usually ship within 3 business days of receiving cleared payment

>>57849959
http://m.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-Thinkpad-X200-X200S-X201-Docking-station-42X4963-43R8781-44C054-/251299265538?_trkparms=aid%253D222007%2526algo%253DSIC.MBE%2526ao%253D1%2526asc%253D20150519202348%2526meid%253D1ea8eef3b1014de38c89a36bb6ba64d9%2526pid%253D100408%2526rk%253D2%2526rkt%253D25%2526mehot%253Dpp%2526sd%253D322321950487&_trksid=p2056116.c100408.m2460

Fuck thats a long url but im on my phone and cant be assed to shorten it

>>57850123
How much would a separate optical drive cost? In case I wanna get some music at the library, or something like that

>>57849995
You basically have to suck up and get either the X220/X230 or the X201s. X201s is higher res but not IPS and weaker in every other way, or deal with a resolution that you don't want but a laptop which satisfies you in every other way.

>>57850272
I have a decent budget for my purchase.

Is every single laptop made after 2013 garbage?

>>57850135
Not much
But then really you could just rip it off the internet

USPS or UPS ground? Which is least likely to fuck my shit up?

>>57850284
probably.

>>57850293
Ripping off CD's is much easier

>>57850284
You have to get to the X240 before you start getting any screen on the other side of 1366x768. By then it's already too late and tonnes of important features have started to drop off.

Can't swap the keyboard to a classic, Only one memory channel, no Trackpoint mouse buttons, a low voltage processor that performs worse than the X230 equivalents. Only added feature is the power bridge internal battery.

>>57850446

I am also open the Dell and HP business laptops.
I am not going to purchase a laptop right now before CES, I am hopeful about the X270 returning to the roots.

>>57850463
XPS 13 is probably your best bet, gorgeous laptop, but lacks a lot of the small features that make the X200-x230 special.

New is cool and everything but I wouldn't hold your breath for Lenovo to return features. Personally I also find the idea of buying a laptop new laughable.

>>57849995
>performance at least equivalent to my T420's i5-2560m
A question about that, what's the extent of things you can do with a processor like that today?
I'm looking at a T420 with the same processor and I'm having second thoughts about the processor cutting it. Could certainly be an overreaction on my part though. All I need to do is some front end web development, browsing web (I tend to open an army of tabs though) and watching Star Trek.

>>57850527
Not that guy, but I have the i7-2640M in the X220 on which I am typing right now.

It is fast. For no process is the CPU the bottle neck, always GPU. I can rip through photogrammetry workloads.

Ever since the 1st or 2nd generation of i7s or what have you I've never felt like my CPU was slow, so an i5 should be more than enough for your use case.

>>57850527
I can run a Windows and a Debian VM (with a webserver + DB running) in my Linux host OS with Chromium open at the same time without any problem. I haven't really had any usecases where I ran into performance problems.

Downsides: the integrated GPU is kinda meh, consumes way, way more power than modern processors (I get ~3 hour battery life with a 9 cell battery at 2nd to lowest backlight with normal usage).

in that matter of thoughts,

is the 520m still an adequate CPU ?

>>57850809
For web browsing, multimedia, older games and other light usage, by all means yes. Even Core 2 Duo CPUs still hold their ground surprisingly well. You'd have to go back as far as a Pentium 4 or Atom netbooks to risk daily tasks becoming uncomfortable.

considering I could get a t430 or an x220 for the same price and same conditions, both i5 (2ndgen vs 3rd gen though), 4gb ram. what would you guys choose? which one is more comfy?

>>57850990
If you're doing anything graphical whatsoever, you want that 3rd gen.

>>57851259
You mean gaymen? Does it matter for 1080p animation videos?

>>57851259
op here,
in my case im gonna be using it mainly for audio dsp and browsing so, the graphics wont matter that much probably

>>57850809
>>57850844
exactly my thoughts too, just got paranoid that something might be wrong. just 4chan with 4chanx is a little bit slower.

And what about the nvs3100m, i guess it's not doing any bottlenecking. I really want to upgrade to t430 soon, which should be much better.

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Are you comfy /tpg/?

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Came out breddy good for "didnt dry, just froze"
Fuck if i care, 12 year old laptop, just trying to cover scratches
Battery and HDD caddy cover are next
Then ill try and do the base
I want to leave the inside black though
Might replace the nippe with a white one

>>57851769
yep. just a rubber mat for my x220 and mousepad, had about 5 shots of whiskey and i am sipping some coffee. mondays can be ok sometimes.

>>57851824
bad context bro. did you paint the top? also dont paint the inside. black and white contrast is appealing. show a different pic.

>>57846162
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1BFe42Q26Q

>>57851866
Its the top of my R52
I want to wait for it to fully dry before screwing it back on

>>57848197
Because it's equivalent to L430, so worse build quiality.
E6430 is equivalent to T430

>>57851911
When we already touched the topic of ads:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG54XLHV5dg

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>buy this x220 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/191982205046?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)

>$130, not that bad for a fully-functional thinkpad x220
>oh shit forgot to ask if there's a BIOS password
>ask on Dec. 2
>still no response

fuck

>>57851824
Is that plastidip?

>>57852185
that's really creepy
i ordered cpu and caddy and thermal in Dec 2 and never got a any delivery progress
igot a just 'Shipped'

>>57852185
just reflash the bios you dip (or put coreboot on it while you are at it)

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>>57846354
>everyone on /pol/ is a nazi

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>>57852202
No idea what it is, found it in my basement, no sticker

Doesnt apply or dry like plastidip so i think its probably just generic cover-all krylon

HEres my desk right now
This thing is going to be a bitch to put back together

>>57846674
Anybody?

>>57847587
I just got the P70 personally and I like it pretty well. I bought it maxed out and the performance in both my video edits and in gaming is very good. The keyboard is the best feeling I've used in a modern laptop, not up to classic ThinkPad levels but still good. Tons of I/O, removable battery and solid build quality. Battery lasts 9.5 hours with basic web browsing on lowest brightness.

I've only had it 2 weeks so we'll see how it works out long term but so far I don't have any complaints other than Lenovo glacial shipping speed.

>>57846674
>>57852484
You need a 90w charger, fairly certain the x200 comes with the 65w one. I think it can charge on the 65w but it underclocks the processor to 800mhz or something like that. You'll definitely want to get a 90w one off the internet no matter what.

I'm looking for a thinkpad just for using ableton to make music and for speedy internet usage, there is an x61 on craigslist for 45 bucks. Should I grab it? I need it to be small.

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man...

lenovo software can be shit.
it took me a while to filter through and pick and choose. just a few extra programs were eating almost 80% of my ram not too long after startup. svchost was fucking my shit up...

>>57852352
what do you expect from redditors?
>i dont get it
> >>>/pol/

>>57851769
Where do I get think pad wallpapers?
Mine has none
X201 here

>>57852912
google.com

>>57853023
Seconded.

i love playing the first fingerpicking song i ever learned and watching my fingers move

i was going to post this in /gg/ on mu but mu sucks so bad that every time i go there it disgusts me, so i thought id let you all know

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>>57853091

I'm thinking of getting an x220 and putting Debian on it. What are the pros or cons for the x220?

>>57853163
for me its browser issues, windows 7 drivers and heat if you want to play a intense game.

as for the browser issues, i think it a is the fact i have old and outdated ram.

>>57853219
The one I'm getting has 4gb ddr3-sd ram. Would that be good enough ?

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sorry for unrelated question

i ordered some cpu for T420 past week...
is my order canceled? i never used ebay before
and i received this message
What the hell is this shit? am i have to order again?

in purchase history it's been 'shipped'

>>57853273
for debian? yea, it is probably more than enough. pick a low resource wm. i only ran linux exclusively in 08 because of the vista/7 transition era and my laptop couldnt cope. i even ended up installing ubuntu 9.xx on my mothers computer because of MS cucking the hell out of everyone. maybe hit up the gnu/linux thread. they are more woke about that shit than i. >>57849593

if you keep windows 7? you have to pick and choose between functionality and speed; it is a pain in the ass.

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>>57853537
>never used ebay
>item listings have been removed

get the fuck out

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It lives, after i gutted it, lost 1/3 of the screws and gave up entirely on reassembling the wifi
The wifi is like half the components attached to the motherboard, honestly, it was real shit

What are usual temps for T420 during heavy singlecore load? I'm autistic and everytiem think that I applied thermal compound in a wrong way.

>>57853684
cool shit.

what is model is that?
also, are the the thinkpad rape dungeon guy?

>>57844907
>have R61
>run Vice City at the minimum graphic settings at 640x480
>still get slowdown
at least i can play emulated games on fightcade

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>>57853719
R52 and yes

Worst paintjob ive ever done, did it outaide in winter while it was snowing
But part of that seems like it fits a 12 year old laptop kinda good

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>>57853812
IT looks ok in the pictures
Because you cant see the little specs and blobbing on the sides

is it worth it taking X240 over X230?

>>57853812
>>57853839

ohhhh this is me >>57851866

the paint job is really decent. did you sand it beforehand? also, like i said the contrast of the white and black look great.

at least you never painted a dreamcast in glossy silver paint.

>>57853774
What kind of specs you running?
Im only running minimum resolution, but long distance rendering and medium texture quality
And thats with a 32mb ati mobility 7500

>>57853917
I assure you, up close its a mess
8/10 from 3 feet away but discrace at 3 inches

I wanted to do my x41t's cover in yellow but i got halfway through taking it apart before getting fed up with how complex it is

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>>57853684
>>57853812
>>57853839
>>57853987
oh yeah. remember my edit??

maybe keep the computer inside forever?
if you regret it enough perhaps find away to sand the paint off. i think it looks dope. straight raw son. reminds me of when i hand sanded my durango rims by hand and sprayed them. i paint better than you though... lmao.

>>57853921
Intel T7100 dual core
1 gig of ram
GM965
i should install winXP rather than 7, but theres no audio drivers for XP 64 bit

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tfw no ThinkMILF

Anyone here have any experience with thinkfan on Linux ?

I tried changing thinkpad_acpi directly with nano but it doesn't seem to work, and when trying to unload it with modprobe, it puts up a fatal error saying that it is being used.

>>57850307
UPS. Usps plays kickball with packages

why is the X220 prefered over the X230?

>>57854692
>Usps plays kickball with packages
no company is exclusive to that.

>>57854725
muh keyboard

>>57854888
trips of truth. newer laptops seem to parrot the same styles from other laptops.

i like the some keys being sized differently and in specific locations.

wtf is going on where people think they are special but think having the same looking shit and doing the same things?

commies bought the ibm design, made it better, then fucked it up.

THANKS JOBS!!!!! (im glad he died of aids)

>>57854692
I went with USPS a few hours ago

>>57845391
An IPS to replace the shitty TN in my x230.

I got a hp 2530p, just install a ubuntu but I got no wifi?
Ethernet works and I used it to update and still nothing.
What gives?

>>57845391
Nothing. I just got my package.

I'm seriously considering this. Should I sell my gaming PC for a PS4 and a nicer Thinkpad?

I can dock my thinkpad and it will act as a desktop and I can get work done there then if I need to game do it on the PS4. I will miss my steam library but it's distracting me so hard.

I failed my first semester because I kept getting distracted by games and it also has distracted me from making music.

I feel like this could be a solution to my "addiction" and lessen my gaming so I can focus on real shit.

Anyone here upgraded the processor on a t430 from an i5 to i7?

>>57855645
definitely, games are just waste of time

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>>57855645
no

Keep your gaymin' PC and install Linux on it ONLY. No dual booting Windows. You'll be less inclined to play video games because of the somewhat (for the lack of a better word) 'tedious' setup in order to actually play them. However, you'd still be able to play the occasional game via Wine, PlayOnLinux or Steam.

>>57855750
shut the fuck up faggot

browsing 4chan is a "waste of time"

What's a good one for very light gaming? I mostly want it as a shitposting machine, but being able to play gMod or Touhou at 60fps (any settings) would be nice too.

>>57855645
>Not having any form of discipline

I don't think selling your gaming PC will fix any problems. You'll just find other things to distract you from school.

Learn some discipline, it will not only help you now but when you've got a job as well (unless you want to spend the rest of your life rotting in a cubicle).

>>57855772
That's very true. Literally the only thing holding me back from doing this transition is my love for Overwatch competitive and playing games with my friends.

All my friends play PC games so it'll be sad to let it go but thinking about all the productive and happiness I'd get in the long run makes it sound worth it. Reading over this it literally sounds like a drug addicts story.

>>57855863
I think getting rid of the gaming is the first step for me I think though. I understand what you mean, if I had enough discipline I could just cut down on gaming.

But the thing is that I've been pc gaming since I was 6 so it's extremely hard to keep myself away from it. If I handicap my options to play games I think that could effectively make me stop.

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>>57855868
Video game addiction is a real thing, man.

Overcoming it is extremely difficult, but for starters, ask those friends of yours to engage in other activities you might find enjoyable.

You don't have to give up the vidya, though. I still play Dota 2 every now and then (ranging from once a day to about three or four times a week). I'll play one or two matches which is about an hour and a half each session. I'm not familiar with Overwatch enough to know how the matchmaking works but try to restrict it sensibly. Learn some discipline.

Don't completely drought yourself of it to the point where you feel severely depressed without it, though.

anyone know recent laptops like the old thinkpads ? (without touchpad)
>>57855608

>>57856275
X200s only has a trackpoint. It's an old core2duo though.

>>57856069
Me and my friends make music together so I could do that more often and go to concerts n shit more often.

If I were to quit I'd probably play more single player games that don't require massive amounts of hours like these competitive games do. That where I waste most of my time.

>>57856323
what core duo tho?
it looks exactly like what i want in pics

Are Those 11E's any good?
Was hoping to find an X131e but they aren't many listings lately.

Hibernate/Resume is broken after upgrading to an SSD on my x220 running arch. It sleeps when closing the lid, but I have to press the power button when opening it. Then it boots baqck into my session.

I had to recreate my swap partition in the process.
fstab and grub.cfg are correct and I recreated initramfs although I did not find anything relevant in the config.

Does anyone have an idea what I'm missing?

>>57856407
An SL9300 or up (dont get the other ones, they are piss slow).

>>57856413
It's a great laptop that can handle a lot considering its specs. I bought mine on ebay for about $130 and it was worth it. The only drawback is it doesn't have a docking port.

I use it for making music with renoise, light gaming, and browsing. And it does all of it with no slow down.

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t430

i5 3329m

8gb rams

dvdrw

1600x900 screen

equivalent of 320 dollars, worth it?

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>>57856275
>>57856323
You can put the X200/X200s palmrest on an X201/X201s if you need more processing power.

I accidentally got the Integrated graphics T420.
Oops.

>>57857108
isnt that a good thing? it just means more battery life

I tried to charge my Chinkpad in airplane mode and now it wont charge at all during up time unless I boot it with the charger plugged in. Anyone had this problem?

x220t just came in the mail. Refurbished my ass, thing has all sorts of residue and dirt in all sorts of places. You'd think they'd clean it if they were gonna sell it as refurbished...

Battery life with w10(haven't put new OS on it yet) is about 3h50m, is that par for the course or is the battery gonna need to be replaced?

What Linux distro is most friendly with the pen functionality?

Overally pretty pleased with it tbqh senpai

>>57857597
I don't understand why ebay sellers don't take the extra time to clean something before they sell it. Whenever I sell something on Craigslist I take it apart and clean the best I can.

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>>57857597
Just bought one too. I hope mine doesn't come out dirty as fuck as well.

Not sure about battery life. Although I've heard that Windows is notoriously shitty for battery life; the Thinkpad is no exception. Try running Debian on it and see how the battery life is then.

Ubuntu for out-the-box pen functionality, but you make most Linux distros pen-friendly through the right configuration.

>>57857597
did you buy it from one of those profiles which has "more than x sold / x available"?

>>57857697
>Although I've heard that Windows is notoriously shitty for battery life

even though windows is shit, this is not true.

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>>57844594
Where is a good place to buy a refurb? Looking at an X220 or X230 bc dad's wife wants to buy me a laptop but doesn't like feeBay

>>57857658
Oh that's actually very simple to explain.

If selling used laptops was in any way relevant to your monthly income you would try to spend as little time per unit as possible to maximise the amount of units you can sell and maximize your profits/time you put into it.

And in before you complain about "good service brings back your customers", it doesn't apply here.
"Brand loyalty" doesn't exist on e-commerce portals.
People buying online rarely give a shit about purchasing from the same guy again if someone offers them a better deal.

I clean my shit before selling it online because It's not my source of income, I want to buff everything as much as possible to attract a possible customer and get maximum one-time profit.

But If you were to put the same amount of time you put into cleaning a single item into a whole shipping container of laptops you'd quickly realize it ain't fucking worth it.

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>2x2GB instead of 1x4GB
It's like Lenovo WANTS me to buy 2 ramsticks

How much of an improvement is 8gigs over 4 gigs of ram. Would the cpu act as a bottleneck

>>57858311
The difference you will notice is that you will hit swap less, improving responsiveness and making performance more stable.

>>57858325
So the cpu would act as a bottleneck

>>57858335
? Ram very rarely boosts performance by itself.

>>57858198
They do that so the machine runs dual channel stock.

>>57847817
So you bought the wrong device for what you use it for. Cool.

>>57857053
Does it have an SSD?

I think you're getting a decent deal because the screens cost a fair bit and installing them is finicky.

Are you planning to upgrade the ram to 16gb?

>>57847817
Lol how much did you pay for it?

What's a good bargain brand of ram that won't crap out on me?

>>57858504
anything

>>57858504
They're all good if they are a brand name

Crucial, kingston, samsung etc.

Just get the cheapest.

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Hnnnnnnnnnggggggg

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T450
changed the screen to a 1080 IPS etc and it worked
tried to change some stuff becuase I couldn't change the brightness at all and it sometimes turns off or goes to sleep mode
now it doesn't turn on
what do

I got some off-brand chink battery for my T420, how long until it explodes onto my lap? Also how do I properly break in a li-ion

>>57844594
found 200 dollar used X240

is it powerful enough to run IDE like visual/android studio? also databases like SQL and mongodb

i need to seperate muh gayming rig and programming

>>57858668
just use qt creator

>>57857702
Maybe...

>>57852712
Okey dokey, thanks.

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>>57858589
Merry early christmas, me.

>>57859017
What should I install that isn't Windows?

>>57859232
Bonzai buddy

>>57859399
I meant an OS.

Any news on the retro? My poor T410 is struggling to keep up.

>>57859444
install lubuntu
the L stands for legit

>>57845055
If you want to talk to him, just register on 51nb.com and send him a PM. He speaks engrish.

>>57859524
Agreed, Ubuntu is fake African OS lubuntu is legit very real nice.

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>>57859444
oh god what have i done

New to this. What does this general think of IdeaPads?

>>57859825
Waste of time, get a thinkpad. much better machines, and, more importantly, better meme value

>>57859825
Might as well get a jumper ezbook

>>57859476
I wouldn't trust it to not be chinked beyond all belief

>>57859825
Complete shit
>t. owner of the ideapad 300's predecessor

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i send return request about CPU
i got a unsolvable problem few hours ago
i think i blow up my money

i did nothing just buy a shit but they interrupted my order
fuck my shit up
now am i have to reorder with first account or just waiting?

>>57860399
Did you break one of the cpu pins or something?

I wish they made a 13 inch version of the p50.

The p50 is awesome but it's too big, at that point just get a desktop.

>>57858611
Check ram

>>57860541
no i even not received product
my account has been suspended whatever fking reason and they canceled bid, have to refund all that shit

>>57860654
There's also aliexpress for buying cpus but still pretty weird, never heard of anything like that happening with eBay.

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Just replaced the hinges on my R60. Baby feels like brand new. What have you guys done lately?

>>57858531
>package hasn't shipped yet

What if the CMOS backup battery needs replacement? Can you replace just the battery alone, or do you need to replace the whole yellow thing with the cable and connector?

>>57860879
Tried to install Linux but none of the three distros i tried recognized my eGPU.

Actually antergos did but everything was stuttering like crazy.

>>57861220
I think the leads are soldered on the battery
You would have to replace the whole thing.
I dont think its any more expensive really, just cant pick up a coin battery at a walgreens like you could with other cmos batteries

>>57845391
they're so full of shit
the new memepads are cheap plastic garbage

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Is a T440p good for $200?
I know anything above T430 isn't as good but my dad keeps complaining about his old laptop's speed and screen and this one has a 1080p IPS.

It can't be THAT bad, can it?

>>57847587
Some people have an issue where they notice diagonal screen tearing.

Not sure how prevalent it is, though, so you might be fine

>>57847587
The screen has some bullshit built-in display brightness adaptation which washes out the contrast of bright areas.

It can be disabled for the 4K panels but NOT the 1080p panels.

>>57862437
What? You're thinking of the Dell XPs 13s/15s my man

>>57862414
Also available is a T440s for $160

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just found this thread,
I got a L450 for college last year,
am I doing it wrong?

My new t420 gives a 0190: critical low battery error at boot, but works fine while plugged on ac,
also when plugged the battery status led blinks orange 3 times and then turns off, is this just a dead battery? The led not turning on while charging worries me.

>>57858752
i almost did that but i kept questioning the guy and a hour later he took down the listing.

Is the ThinkPad 13 even a real thinkpad?

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>>57862840
they fucked up the brand so much that it's not worth worrying about that anymore

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>>57862934

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>>57862942

Cont
if i can't cancel order's and refund (having 2 2720qm)
I'm gonna sell one of 2720qm

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>>57862952

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>>57862971

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>>57862979

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>>57862990

>>57862934
>moving the fingerprint reader out of the way and from the palmrest onto the bezel

That's one thing that was a good thing to do though. The damn FP reader was always annoying on the palmrest.

>>57862942
this one is doable because of the numbpad, but what were they thinking by adding the print screen button down there?

>>57862414
>>57862500
Anyone??

>>57863010
they had that fuckup going for a while including on more mainstream models like the X230

had to remap a bunch of things just to fix their layout fuckups

>>57858668
Visual Studio yes
Android Studio is ass on any machine
Just use Eclipse with ADT or Visual Studio's Android IDE

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This has a Thinkpad logo on it.
This is the state of the brand

>>57858668
I am using X240, it is powerful enough for anything programming related short of neural network shits. Make sure you upgrade to SSD and RAM to 8GB and you are good to go.

Heck, I even used to have Asus A46CB with i3 3217U for the same task before switching to this meme.

>>57863000
There are palmrests without the fingerprint reader at all for the T420 mr. trips. They are just a bit unusual.

>>57844594
I work on various T400 and T500 model laptops daily and I'm surprised these pieces of shit are still being bought. They're incredibly antiquated and fragile.

>>57849925

Holy shit anon that's great info.

I thought AMT was still yet to crack, but this tells otherwise.

I'm librebooting my x200 as soon as I have my SOIC-8 clip

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>>57863026
seriously, why though? even putting delete there would be a better idea.

wad da fug XD

>>57863091
>>57862971
how about a fucking tilde

>>57862414
>>57862500
Those are steals. You could buy them to resell if nothing else.

>>57863091
>>57863099
How about a Menu key

t. excelfag

>>57863031
what the fuck is this

>>57849995

About the x220, the standard screen is already pretty outstanding. (I have a x200 and I tinkered with a x220 recently)

In my humble opinion, the only possible improvement is that IPS panels suck your dick.

D-do they?

>tfw i7 t450 with good battery and 256gb ssd for 300USD

>>57863155
a business machine of the finest quality

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>>57863126
>>57863099
>>57863026

>>57863173
what series is that?

>>57863180
X131
>>57863176
needs a JUST button

>>57863194
>X131

I just look that up, now I feel filthy. Fuck.

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>>57863194

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>>57863217
the gooks have no dignity and the brand meant nothing to them besides being another cashcow

>>57863176
>tfw "Kys" will become an actual key on a keyboard in your lifetime

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>>57863226
>>57863232

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>>57863224
beautiful
thank you anon

>>57863047
It's not that AMT itself was cracked, much rather some methods were found to disable certain significant parts of ME while (apparently) leaving it oblivious about it.

http://hardenedlinux.org/firmware/2016/11/17/neutralize_ME_firmware_on_sandybridge_and_ivybridge.html
http://hackaday.com/2016/11/28/neutralizing-intels-management-engine/

>>57863226
at least they learned their lesson about the fucking trackpoint buttons

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>>57863291
P50 adds a lot of old design back too

>>57863047
nope, if it could be fully removed that would be major news

there's a reason libreboot is stale and that's because new processors are designed to restrict disabling it

>>57863302
if they unfucked the keyboard type and layout they would be on the right track. Go back to using higher quality materials, provide options for respectable panels with modern resolutions

>>57863291
yeah but that's only after they got massive complaints
Not everything needs to be a macbook

You guys are making me regret ordering a thinkpad 13

>>57863378
there isn't too much choice with their modern lineup

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>>57863378
>tfw buying a x220

>>57863303
>if it could be fully removed that would be major news

And Intel's law department probably would issue a statement friendly reminding that unauthorized tampering with ME/AMT (such as reverse-engineering and/or subverting/circumventing/disabling some of its core fuctionalities) is in direct violation of their rights, patents, terms, and licenses, and could result in legal liability for any parties involved.

>>57863417
They can't, that would be illegal in the US

>>57863417
There have been several court cases that make it perfectly legal for people to reverse engineer their own devices, Intel legally cannot do anything about it as long as said hacks aren't being sold for money

>>57863508
>as long as said hacks aren't being sold for money

What about librebooted x200/t400 laptops sold by https://minifree.org/ which supposedly have ME/AMT defeated?

>>57863564
No idea. It must be legal if it hasn't been shut down.

I think it means paying money for the hack itself, e.g. no info on the hack is available for free

>>57848284
Can someone confirm whether the changes marked red/orange are indeed harmful? Specifically the addition of hashes marked in orange.

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>>57860766
aliexpress is better ebay makes me pissed me off

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>>57863378
>unironically buying a laptop that was designed for some poor african schools

>>57864670
Im pretty fycking poor my self mate, stop memeing my lappy

>>57864710
shouldve bought X230 or similar then, they are both cheap and good. when your budget is limited you should buy things that last for long time and are good quality. you didnt. that laptop you bought is utter shit.

x220t linux loud fan
solutions?

>>57865042
OS?

Is there any Thinkpads with rs-232/com port?
If not, is there any way to add one?
Usb-com is garbage ofc.

>>57865053
ubuntu

>>57865063
>Usb-com is garbage ofc.
How?

>>57865069
Have you checked to make sure a service or process isn't making the cpu work harder than usual? Are your temperatures high?
When you say loud fan noise, I'm not sure if you mean the fan is constantly running on high, or of it is making an inexplicable noise, like a buzz or whine or something.

>>57865111
just sitting right around 5% with browser and filezilla open I can hear the fan, laptop isn't even warm

>>57865140
So it's just running on high or it's making a strange noise?

>>57865090
It's a translator. I need a stable AF link between devices. Any even really good usb-com will lose some data. It's fine for regular use but not in my case. My old IBM works just fine, but it's like 15 years old and struggles with modern applications.

>>57865150
running a light load but the fan makes a distinct whine

>>57865172
could it be a coil whine ? a chinkfan i had installed in my t410 whined when idle or at low rpms

>>57863031
Ayyyyy

>>57863031
Energy Star™ compliant lol.

>>57865180
I don't think so, it doesn't hit the loud pitches I'd heard from coil whines

It's just the Chinese mining bitcoins on your hardware anon.

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>>57864955
Thats wheres your wrong kiddo, the 13 is superior

what's the absolute cheapest msata I can get for my t420? I want to use it purely for the OS (arch) as i'll just use cheapo HDD's for storage.

>>57865289
Kingdian m280 if not in usa
Anything from amazon if in usa

>>57865306
I'm a bong so I guess kingdian m280 is my only choice right

>>57865315
Eh I've been using the 240gb model for a good while, works fine.

Samshit loyalists will make you buy evos but just get whatever is cheapest. Make sure it's at least 120gb, ssds with less than that are piss slow 90% of the time.

>>57865152
I think you're being too autistic.

>>57865345
Really? I was planning on finding a 60gb or so msata but these kingdians are cheap af.
I don't suppose you know anywhere that ships them not from china? Don't feel like waiting for a month for it to arrive.

Still waiting on my fucking ultrabay caddy

>>57865152
The only reason serial could be more reliable is that it operates extremely slower

You can limit yourself in your "use case" to make it "more reliable" too but I think you're deluding yourself

>>57865357
I guess you could find a reseller but that sort of defeats the purpose of buying it cheap from chinkland.

>>57865373
20 day delivery though

>>57865357
>msata + 2 hdds
wew lad

>>57865378
Then buy the cheapest 120gb msata locally as long as isn't kingston.

>>57865394
Hmm looks like this is my best buy then
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Samsung-850-EVO-mSATA-120GB-mSATA-Solid-State-Drive-/181712642916?hash=item2a4eeae364:g:jfwAAOSwcUBYNbaf#shpCntId
>>57865392
i-is that a bad idea?

>>57865405
>65 bongs for mere 120gb
I-is that the cheapest there?

>>57865405
>i-is that a bad idea?
just seems like you need a lot of storage for your vietnamese cartoons. I personally would prefer one larger hdd in regard to weight/power consumption.
>>57865430
I was looking for msata ssd last month, too. I didnt find a suitable one below 50euro, so I just decided on shelling out those 20eurobucks and got a 850evo.

>>57865430
I'm not sure what i'm looking for desu. WIll any msata ssd fit and what are the brands I absolutely shouldn't buy aside from kingston?

>>57865473
Yes all msata ssds have the same form factor.

Dunno, i just remember kingston because of the shitposts and because i remember their speeds were crap when comparing benchmarks against other budget ssds, even against kingdians that sound like a kingston knockoff.

>>57865473
https://www.amazon DOT co DOT uk/KingDian-mSATA-Medical-Industrial-Tablet/dp/B019SMH7NS
either get a cheap kingdian, or go all the way and go for evo

>>57865628
THanks but t.b.h i'm gonna spend my money on running gear before I get an ssd because i'm joining the royal navy.
Thanks for helping though :3

>>57862625
nah, beautiful machine

>>57865354
>>57865364
I just work with automotive equipment that works only with serial port. I tried a lot usb-com converters with no luck, every one of them lose data. I almost lost 2 ECU's. With serial port - not a single problem.

I've been using my thinkpad p70 for a few hours now, sees pretty good.

>>57866180
seems*

>>57863031
>>57865181
what's wrong with it?

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I'm looking at the Thinkpad 13 as an upgrade from my X131e.

Configured with 8gb ram and core i5 it comes out to be $587 which is pretty affordable compared to their T series with similar specs.

Does it have a docking port? And what are your opinions on it?

>>57866681
Forgot to mention, the CPU is Intel Core i5-6200U.

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> yfw an ultrabase for 14.88$

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I have T420, and want to clean it with out taking it apart.
Does blowing on those exhaust vents a good idea? to remove dust?
Or I need to vacuum it?

>>57867138
Blowing into it with a air can would be fine, don't forget to blow into the bottom vents of your laptop.

But if you wanna make your laptop completely dust free just open it up. It only takes like 10 minutes to take the backplate off and on.

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>>57867161
>air can
What if I blow it with my breath?
Also pic related these vents?
Is there a specific order?
>open it up
Never done this before and I'm afraid I'd screw it up and render it useless since spare parts aren't available where I live.