Intel's Skylake-EP Flagship Xeon E5-2699 V5 CPU to Harness

Competition at work.

Perfect for AWS.

>>57633917
Is this Zen?

>>57634299
think of Bulldozer but it finally beat Sandy Bridge after 6 fucking years

thats Zen

>>57633917
>(ES)
????

Anyway, this is getting weird. Are they killing socket 2011 or splitting it into a 'workstation/low end server' market?

>>57633917
What are these holes for, heatsing alignment?

>>57634446
Pressure relief when they solder the IHS on.

not 28 cores?

AYYMD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT

My boss is probably going to be pissed, company just bought a bunch of Dual E5-2699V4 servers the other day. Although I have no clue when they are planning to release the V5.

>>57635091
If I had to guess, the same quarter as general availability of Kaby Lake processors. So late Q1?

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>>57633917
Psh, nothin personnel kid

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that socket makes my peepee hard

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>>57633917
Let me guess 30k?

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>>57633917
Gonna be sweet to pick up two of these in a few years.

TFW I paid $130 for 2x E5-2670. One 2670 is like 10% slower than a i7-3970X that costs $1000. And I have two 2670s.

128GB DDR3 ram for these are like $200.

Why aren't people buying old server hardware for their main rigs again?

>>57636258
it doesn't into gaymen

>>57636258
not all of us live in a third world country? someone of us love freedom and live in the land of the free ;o

>>57636312
Old hardware is overpriced in third world, sometimes it is cheaper to buy a new cpu straight from China like one of those Skylake 6400 ES.

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>>57636295
>it doesn't into gaymen
It's not bad compared to the i5, which cost 4 times as much.

http://www.techspot.com/review/1155-affordable-dual-xeon-pc/page7.html

das a big cpu

>>57633917
Nice. I guess they really are worried about Naples.

>>57634433
Engineering Sample.

>>57635980
MOAR
COARS

>>57634433
There is a socket 2066 coming well. Suspect this will not get 4S+

>>57636295
well that's just plain wrong

It does play games, and it plays them well.

>>57636258
power inefficiency and lack of general knowledge is why you got yours so cheap. don't be an idiot and ruin the deals for everyone by blabbing, as it will simply increase the prices. also, server boards take forever to post

>>57638027
Good points.

>>57636935
I know what it is, I don't know why they put it there.
>>57637053
What a weird fragmentation. Would make more sense for the E7 to be on 3647 and the E5 to move to 2066.

>>57636258
>Why aren't people buying old server hardware for their main rigs again?
Because that's not a particularly good idea.

>>57634433
>ES
Engineering Sample

>>57639090
Good job reading the thread.

>>57638310
Y not, I see people still using 1366 stuff and getting decent performance

>>57636076
>touching a dirty cpu like that
WHAT U DOIN MY MAN UR GONNA GET THAT SILVERY SHIT ON DOOR KNOBS AND ALL OVER THE OFFICE AGAIN

>>57636489
What setup is this tested on?
I get consistently over 90fps in witcher 3 maxed out and my PC isn't that amazing

>>57639119
It's old and doesn't have better performance for consumer workloads than consumer gear.

This has already been made obsolete by xeon phi processors you retards. This is just a meme at best.

>>57639247
Yes buy new i7s gud goy

>>57639276
Xeon Phis are coprocessors with a bunch of arm cpus, afaik you cant really use them as your main cpu. Also shits like 10k usd isnt it?

>>57639409
The most recent version of the Phi uses Atom cores and the socketed version can be used as the main system processor.

>>57639276
if you do a shitpost god doesn't answer

>>57639457
Not only that these sons of bitches together output over 3,000 GFLOPS... of fucking FP64 compute performance.

I'm not sure how much more irrelevant intel can make ARM in the enterprise market.

>>57639776
Depends on if anyone has the balls to make a high core count ARM chip.

>>57639889
You'd need like 400 cores to match a xeon phi's 3+TFLOP FP64 performance and you'd probably end up with a TDP of like 1000 Watts.

ARM is a joke for enterprise. The only reason it's used on mobile is because how cheap it is else everyone would have core-m processors on their phones right now.

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>>57633917
>THANK YOU, BASED INTEL!
Dude, shut the fuck up, you will never own or use one of these.

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>>57640073

Stallman, get fuck out here!

>>57633917
This surprises people?

Are people on /g/ even interested in server platforms?

Anyway, I started working in that industry lately. And if you want, you can ask me anything.

I can't tell you much about information which is under NDA though. I want to keep my job after all.

>>57641104
No one really cares about you, dude.

>>57641112
Apparently some people care about server CPUs here.
Anyway, it was just an offer to learn more about intel or the server industry. But I guess no one here is interested.

>>57633917

>put 32 2.1GHz Pentium 4's on a chip and call it progress

Well done Intel. Fuck you.

>>57641158
Wait, you're an Intel employee? I thought you were some IT goon.

Is 2066 bringing more PCI-E lanes or something?

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>>57637053
>Suspect this will not get 4S+
There will certainly be a E5-4600 edition of it which no one will buy.

>>57641104
>Are people on /g/ even interested in server platforms?
yes

>Anyway, I started working in that industry lately.
oh wow, you work in IT... no one gives a shit

>>57641184
he is a tard who works in a foxconn factory

>>57641519
>E5-4600
Unprecedented. No E5 has ever been scalable to more than 2 sockets.

>>57641686
you're a retard
http://ark.intel.com/products/series/93803/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-4600-v4-Product-Family#@All

>>57641750
The fuck? Intel is so retarded.

>>57641770
With 3rd party chipsets like SGI's NUMAlink Xeon E5-4600s scale to 256 sockets

https://www.sgi.com/products/servers/uv/uv_3000_30.html

>>57636076
That's a big socket.

>>57639201
>my PC isn't that amazing
U wot

There are literally only 2 cards that can consistently deliver 90+ fps in Witcher 3 at 1080p.

>>57642982
he is probably and amdrone who cant enable hairworks

>>57643028
Nah, hairworks kills performance in Nvidia cards too in Witcher 3.

The only two cards right now that can average 90fps+ in that game at 1080p with no hairworks are a 1080 and a Titan XP.

>>57634378
In defense of AMD if they beat Sandy Bridge they basically beat Intel.

>>57639457
I see, but that price tho

>>57644796
1: Its intel selling an enterprise class chip, they'll fleece you for everything you own.
2: its a fuckhuge die, so getting decent yields out of it is a pain in the balls. I would not be surprised if the first production batches of the latest version of Phi had yields worse than Fermi.

>>57641104
>This surprises people?
>Are people on /g/ even interested in server platforms?
>Anyway, I started working in that industry lately. And if you want, you can ask me anything.
>I can't tell you much about information which is under NDA though. I want to keep my job after all.
Why won't intel make a high TDP xeon for workstations? Everyone wants 20+ cores for 3d but there's still some single threaded tasks and 2ghz or so just isn't enough.

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Just picked up picrelated and I'm already thinking about upgrading. Fuck me.

>>57645021
>18c CPU
nice, what do you use it for?

>>57645041
14c only.

Mostly normie things desu, but sometimes I have to use quite a few VMs at the same time for evaluation, and my 4770K wasn't able to handle that load. It also gives me the freedom of being able to run a lots of things at the same time and not having to worry about hitting a performance wall.

>>57645076
Ah. Yeah i have an E5-2690 myself and one of the best things about it is the ability to run a fuckton of shit and not notice slowdowns.

Its actually at the point where I'm ram-capacity bottlenecked, as 8GB is kinda not enough for this chip to run on.

>>57633917
thank you daddy may i have another

>>57645097
>run a fuckton of shit and not notice slowdowns

This is so true man. Thankfully I'm on 64GB RAM so I'm all good on that front as well, although once I did hit 61GB RAM use.

>>57634433
LGA2011(v3) with the X99 PCH will be succeeded by the LGA2066 socket with the X299 PCH. These will be used for enthusiast and workstation machines

LGA3647 is going to be a Xeon / Server only socket, with stuff like multiple sockets and so on.

>>57644848

it's true. sir malcom intel the third personally applies his own precum to assure the best thermal conductivity to the IHS

>>57642581
4Upins

>>57642581
well it's for a big chip, baby

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>>57645128
well, I for the most part use this chip mainly as my daily driver with a side of distributed computing thrown in. Going up to 16GB would give me quite a bit of breathing room over what I've got right now. Problem is, my board only has 4 dimm slots, so I have to go get a 4x4GB kit to go there. And this piece of shit Biostar board is picky as hell.

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>>57645138
>LGA2066
>Another socket change

>>57645176
Not to protect shintel or anything, but the 2011 has been with us for quite a long time. At least they keep the 1151 for Kaby Lake.

>>57645194
2011v3 was pretty much a new socket. It's standard 2generations thing with Intel for each socket. It's if coffelake keeps the old sockets is what's unknown, as it's just a forth revision of 14nm on the desktop.

>>57645585
so many needless sockets and chipset changes though its stupid.

>>57645194
AMD for all their faults at least stick with their sockets

>>57645585
>>57645672
enjoy never getting new features
which is pretty much the only reason to upgrade nowadays

>>57645722
i only upgrade when my old boards shit themselves.

i dont use any of the new board features

that said it looks like ill be giving zen a miss, shit IPC and 95watt tdp is nuts for a $400usd cpu

>>57644848
Yeah fucking 235 TDP on that shit, its like AMD secretly designed it

>>57643045
no it doesn't, ayymd poorfag

>>57645138
It's doubtable the Cxxx PCH won't be available for 2066. Don't talk out of your ass. Did you really think they were using X99 in real workstations?

>>57645173
>buys a 2690 instead of a 1650
Uhh, are you brain damaged?

>>57646917
>it's the 1650 guy again
everytime an E5 2600 pops up somewhere in some thread you are there to shitpost
>HURRR DUURRR WHY U DUN BUY THE PROCESSOR I LIKE

>>57646941
Fuck are you talking about, autist?

>>57647005
do you have problems understanding written text? are you illiterate or dumb?

>>57646917
lmao at your shitty 1650

>2 cores / 4 threads less
>less cache
>same turbo clock speed
>minor difference in base clock speed
>1650 launch price under $600
>2690 launch price over $2000

>28 of the cores however will be used for DRM, monitoring and advertising.

>>57633917
>All these cores could be yours for only the low low price of $19,999!

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>>57636258
is it safe to buy 2nd processors?

aren't they like those mining GPU that ran 100% 24/7?

>>57647019
Are you retarded? You can't seriously think everyone who mentions a certain piece of hardware is the same person.
>>57647067
E5-1600 processors are unlocked. If you're running a single socket consumer (X99) board, then there is little reason to buy something else.

>>57647219
It is.

>>57647834
what if I'm running a server board with no overclocking capabilities?

>>57648124
Well >>57645173 is definitely not running a 'server' board.

>>57634378
Intel can't even beat sandybridge

>>57636258
>One 2670 is like 10% slower than a i7-3970X
that's kind of a misrepresentation--it has 2 more cores and a far lower IPC

If you're doing nothing but compiling your kernel and rendering all day long then sure but most people will be better off with one good desktop CPU

How many dies on are this? :O

>>57648158
>a far lower IPC
How is that possible when it's the same arch?

>>57648177
>>57648158
Intel shill rekt
Buy the brutal server chips instead of rehashed Sandy Bridge for the fifth time

>>57648190
What are you talking about?

>>57648177
I didn't notice you were comparing it to the ancient sandy bridge i7

So to correct my above post, it has a significantly lower clock speed, thus lower single thread performance, and it has 2 more cores, so it's a misrepresentation for the same reason

>>57647834
Every version or just v1?

>>57648052
did you bought the used one or refurbished?

>>57648366
it's the same thing

>>57645097
>>57645173
>larping that your buggy ES chip is a real Xeon

>>57648124
you dont have any real hardware, i remember your pics from a different thread. you have a shitbox, and your SSD is some 32gb or 64gb affair

>>57648398
thanks.

>motherboard are more expensive than the processor itself
I'll guess i wait for zen first

>>57648366
It's a used one off eBay. Works perfectly fine. I also have a 12 core ES as well, which also works as intended.

>>57649161
>I dont have an eratta datasheet
>It works as intended
stop pretending your buggy poorfag chip is the same as a real Xeon

>>57649682
Please explain, as an interested third party I don't want to make a mistake with my purchase

>>57649780
The very reason ES chips exist is that they're beta versions, and why so many steppings of them exist for a particular model. This is also why they're dirt cheap on eBay. If release versions of chips end up having bugs in them, how bad do you think the ES editions are

http://danluu.com/cpu-bugs/

>>57649848
How do you know he has an ES chip? I see many on eBay that are not ES

>>57649882
He said so

>>57649161
>I also have a 12 core ES

>>57649913
Oh, woops, my mistake

So does his point regarding pricing and these older Xeons stand if we're only talking about non-ES chips?

>>57649923
It isnt ideal to buy used CPUs, but if you are, make sure they arent ES chips unless you dont care about it crashing or data corruption

>>57649848
>>57649780
ES chips are fine. Just do your research on the steppings and motherboard compatibility. I had a pair of e5-2660 ES chips a few years ago and never had any problems with them.

>>57650056
>they are fine
>even though I dont have errata datasheets
>and there are half a dozen ES steppings of a particular model which fixed problems in previous steppings
stop trying to justify your poorfag purchasing decisions

>>57636258
Because you will get assraped by the price of the mainboard.

>>57641519
Do you enjoy your powerbill?

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>>57650188
yes

>>57633917
>THANK YOU, BASED INTEL!

No problem goy, it'll only cost you $3500 per cpu.

>>57648274
All

>>57650056
ES are not fine, you don't own them. Don't spend money you're not okay spending to rent a processor on an ES. And then don't buy an ES because who knows what's wrong with them.

>>57650198
this is sexy but too expensive

>>57648215
I wasn't comparing it to anything, it wasn't my post. I was just curious how a Sandy Bridge-E chip could have lower IPC than a Sandy-Bridge-EP chip.

>>57650188
E5-2660v2s are pretty power efficient.
>>57650202
Problem with that being? It isn't for you.

>>57650484
what reason do you have for correcting me on who you are and what you personally said? Does it change anyone's point here? I don't think that it does. This new information has produced nothing of value

>>57650503
>E5-2660v2s are pretty power efficient.
It along with a Cisco 3750E and a pair of Aironet 1140s with ~40 mostly idle VMs in the background draw about 400-425 watts.

> base clock of 2.10 GHz.

HOLY SHIT

Reading through these posts. I don't think people on /g/ realize this CPU is meant to run a lot of virtual machines. It is marketed towards providers like AWS, Google Cloud, IBM Cloud, Microsoft Azure, etc. that would buy 1000's of these CPUs in bulk. AWS has admitted they are running out of physical square footage in their current datacenters faster then they can build the new ones and having the ability to shove more cores into one server is important.

>>57650540
If you turned off PoE on the unused ports you could probably bring down the 3750's power consumption.

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>>57633917
Thank AMD instead, they're getting back in the game and Intel is already sweating.
Next year should be a good year for PC builders.

>>57650620
It doesnt have PoE

>>57650198
How many drives do you have in there?

>>57650867
8x 4TB HGST UltraStar 4K4000s and 8x Seagate 600 Pros

>>57650684

You're right!

>>57650891
what do you use all of that for? genuinely curious

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>>57651480
VMs for a home lab and vidya. The switch is mostly there for intervlan routing

>>57651535
Would you mind giving me an overview of your software configuration? Base OS etc?

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>>57650684
>The age of the COAR WAR

Maybe good multi-threading APIs will get pressed more as architecture thrusts it that way.

>>57651560
The host OS is ESXi 6.0 U2, the services VMs are mostly Windows Server 2016 Core with a few Desktop Experience VMs because god only knows why things like System Center or Network Policy & Access Services (RADIUS authentication against Active Directory) require a GUI when they have remote consoles. The apps (Workstation VM) and vidya VMs run Win 10 Enterprise. I'm not sure what you want regarding software configuration.

>>57651602
How do you play games in a VM? I had an Ubuntu set up a few years ago and I was able to run games on a Windows VM using KVM/xen but the performance was kind of mediocre in the sense that it would slow down every few seconds inexplicably among other things, and my max FPS was lower than simply running Windows natively--not by too much but enough that I abandoned the project

What servers should I look out for if I want a cheap used 8 core xeon at ~2.5ghz?

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>>57651631
>How do you play games in a VM?
pass through the GPUs and USB controllers

>slow down every few seconds
Fuck if I know about KVM, but in ESXi you just set the latency sensitivity to high and allocate 100% of the vCPUs to the VM so its cores arent shared with anything else.

>>57651706
What do you do for a living? And how's gaming performance with your setup?

I wish OS X worked well in a VM. If it did this would 100% be my setup.

>>57651727
unemployed right now, but i've been working in IT for the past 15+ years.

>performance
about as good as a native install. SLI doesnt like being virtualization. the screen flashes purple unless it is set to windowed mode/borderless windowed mode. works fine with a single card in full screen.

>OS X
if you passed through a GPU it probably would. In ESXi 6.5 you can pass through the intel GPUs now too iirc

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>>57649848
Damn glad I got C2 stepping.

>>57651760
>>OS X
>if you passed through a GPU it probably would. In ESXi 6.5 you can pass through the intel GPUs now too iirc
Maybe when I have enough discretionary income and there are reports of this actually working I'll give it a shot.
>Normies will never know the pleasure of a hypervisor setup which runs all of your favorite OSs simultaneously

>>57651706
Whoa whoa whoa, you're telling me I can install vSphere Hypervisor which appears to be free on bare metal, then put Windows & Linux VMs on it and pass through my USB controllers and GPUs as I like?
Would this work for Thunderbolt ports and built-in Bluetooth/Wi-Fi modules?

If so this would be a fantastic solution for my laptop OS woes.

>>57651849
>Whoa whoa whoa, you're telling me I can install vSphere Hypervisor which appears to be free on bare metal, then put Windows & Linux VMs on it and pass through my USB controllers and GPUs as I like?
Yes

>Would this work for Thunderbolt ports and built-in Bluetooth/Wi-Fi modules?
Dunno about thunderbolt ports, I dont have any in my ESXi box. Bluetooth and Wi-Fi you probably can if they are PCIe, if not then you can always get USB dongles.

>>57651777
>>57651760
http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/309087-insanely-fast-virtual-mac-qemu-ovmf-clover-and-native-graphics/

interesting but toward the end of the thread people are discussing problems they have

I suppose my decked-out setup similar to yours will never be a reality unless I want to deal with these sorts of issues

>>57651960
>QEMU
>Not ESXi
there is your problem anon

>>57651989
Perhaps, but I think we both know that these setups can be a nightmare if you don't have a sort of prescribed, specific configuration

many little edge cases that just don't work as well as running on bare hardware

>>57651849
In theory, yes, but >>57652017

Things like this work perfectly fine for servers but for graphical end-user environments they can be a nightmare. It's fine if you have a ton of free time but if you want your machine to work properly it's just too much of a time sink IMO.

>>57651871
This is amazing, I'm so glad I read your posts. God speed vSphere man.

>>57652017
>Perhaps, but I think we both know that these setups can be a nightmare if you don't have a sort of prescribed, specific configuration
macOS 10.12 is officially supported by VMware on ESXi

https://www.vmware.com/resources/compatibility/detail.php?deviceCategory=software&testConfig=16&productid=42389&supRel=338,275,274,273,348,&deviceCategory=software&details=1&operatingSystems=228&page=1&display_interval=10&sortColumn=Partner&sortOrder=Asc&testConfig=16

>>57652050
>>57652017
You just shat all over my parade. I guess I'll try it out, nothing to lose.

>>57635980
What's the penis for that hangs out the side? Power delivery?

>>57652075
Without hardware acceleration, so it runs like complete ass

>>57652104
which is why i said before you pass through a GPU to it

>>57636258
Because one word:
Single thread performance

That being said, I run two x5680s on a sr-2 and overclock the shit out of them

>>57652125
can you concede that this will probably introduce myriad issues that the average person will not want to troubleshoot?

assuming it works at all (I see no reports of it working recently, see also that link above--yes I know it's not esxi)

>>57652158
>can you concede that this will probably introduce myriad issues that the average person will not want to troubleshoot?
what is going to be the myriad of issues?

>
assuming it works at all (I see no reports of it working recently
god you're retarded
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3v6f9y/os_x_in_qemu_with_pcie_pass_through/

>>57652202
The top comment in that thread is from 11 months ago, quote:
>I set it up to satisfy my own curiosity more than to use it productively so I don't use it that much
yeah ok

>you're retarded
You're needlessly rude
>won't concede that this is probably not right for this person when you factor in real-world considerations
>unemployed sperglord
whatever man, enjoy your ego lol

>>57652243
>something is officially supported by the vendor
>it must not work
stay retarded anon

>>57652302
>one thing is supported by vmware and is certified to boot within a specific context
>therefore a hypervisor setup with a niche hardware passthrough config will work perfectly for day-to-day usage
>can't even produce a single example proving this, whereas there are countless examples to the contrary
>refuses to concede
>tries to mislead other people ITT
no wonder you're unemployed
did you pull this shit at your job? is that why you got fired? kek

>>57652717
>within a specific context
lol no

>PCIe pass through is niche
lol no

>can't even produce a single example proving this
I did previously

stay butthurt anon