/alg/ - Arch Linux General

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>>57597317
Also: is Antergos a good way to get into Arch?

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>>57597317

>Pros
Probably the most stable rolling-release binary-based distro available.
Configurable to infinity and beyond
Huge app library especially if you include the AUR
Hipster Cred

Cons:
You're responsible for fucking everything and people on 4chan call you a faggot.

I think it's a fair tradeoff.

Jesus Christ, what a shit thread.

>>57597317
How secure is AUR?
Why should anyone trust those packages?

>>57597339
>Probably the most stable rolling-release binary-based distro available.

It's relative; I mean "the most stable" doesn't mean "stable".
So this might be a con, not a pro.

>>57597339

>Probably the most stable rolling-release binary-based distro available.
[citation needed with actual data and not just anecdotal evidence]

>Configurable to infinity and beyond
Just like every other distribution.

>Huge app library especially if you include the AUR
Practically the same if you include other distribution's 3rd party repositories and sources.

>Hipster Cred
Kill yourself.

>You're responsible for fucking everything and people on 4chan call you a faggot.
Kill yourself.

t. normal arch user with common sense and without retardation

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>>57597347
The AUR is figuratively safe.

Every time you use yaourt to search up a package, you can see small ratings next to each package. I forget whether this is users or just an arbitrary number for representing popularity but either-way, it means other people successfully use the software.

and considering most of them have more sticks up their asses than you'll ever have, you can rest assured knowing some hard-assed autist among them combed the entire fucking thing because his freedoms.

>>57597317
So how lightweight Arch is?
I heard it's as fast as the other distros, only it's more minimal.
So installing more shit on it will slow it down.

Any opinions?

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>>57597368
>Practically the same if you include other distribution's 3rd party repositories and sources.

>he only uses the "mainstream" packages

>>57597368
>>Probably the most stable rolling-release binary-based distro available.
>[citation needed with actual data and not just anecdotal evidence]

The other being Suse Tumbleweed. It's not a hard race to beat. Your opponents aren't exactly winners.

>>57597403

I don't understand your point because you contradict yourself in it.

>>57597408

Fedora has a rolling-release branch.
Debian has a rolling-release branch.
Gentoo is (or has a) rolling release branch.

Why would anyone listen to you if you're not even familiar with the essential knowledge about the claims you're making?

>>57597378
Interesting.

I wonder - what are more stable and safer: Ubuntu's PPAs or the packages of Arch?
What do you think?

>>57597388

Lightweight is a buzzword. It has no meaning, or at least not in the way the people that are using it think it does. Fast is a buzzword too.
Every distribution can be "minimal" in the wrong way that you and other people are using it. There are minimal installers for every distribution.
Installing packages doesn't slow your computer down (significantly). Running many of the packages that you installed will slow it down, as it uses your hardware resources. Having many things (services) starting up at boot time will make the boot times longer. That affects every distribution.

My opinion is that you're a gullible idiot who doesn't want to apply common sense or spend 2 minutes researching something. Instead you take everything as "the truth" you see on here, most likely even my post.

>>57597388
As lightweight as you want it to be desu

>>57597435

Nice buzzwords. Enjoy your computing. Wait, whom are we kidding, you won't install anything. You just want to have an opinion you can then spread forever on here, to feel smart whenever the subject comes up.

>>57597466
Please don't be offensive, I'm seriously interested in this topic.

In fact, I want to learn and use Arch.
I tried it a few times but it's really difficult after Ubuntu.

So no, I'm not just joking around.
And I don't feel smart - that's why I'm asking questions.

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>>57597453
>As lightweight as you want it to be desu

Any sauce on that?

>>57597329
The installer is constantly broken.

>general
fuck off. Especially if its arch.
>>57597339
>most stable rolling release
that would be gentoo
>Configurable
Use flags are more configurable. And just a normal ports tree in *bsd is even more configurable.
>Huge app library
>app
gentoo has over 18000 """"apps"""" available in its main ports tree. The aur is irrelevant since its 3rd party
>Hipster Cred
buy a macbook

Basically there is no reason to use this skiddie OS over gentoo or pretty much anything else.

>>57597378
>>and considering most of them have more sticks up their asses than you'll ever have, you can rest assured knowing some hard-assed autist among them combed the entire fucking thing because his freedoms.

FOSS Myth, look at what happened with openssl.,,

>>57597588
>The installer is constantly broken.

Worked for me many times.
Did you really try it?

>>57597605
>Did you really try it?
Yes. that's how I know it's broken.

>>57597620
When did you try it?
It's pretty stable nowadays.

>>57597435
I'm not the guy above but managing lots of PPAs can get very tiresome depending on how much you need. Maintainers suck at naming them and you will forget which PPA does what and it'll sit in your PPA file forever unless you are vigilant with removing unused ones as you go. I can't comment on stability but I would imagine the prebuilt binaries of PPA are much less of a headache and thus stable out of the box.

>>57597628
>It's pretty stable nowadays.
No the fuck it's not, it does it's latest update and then hangs for hours.

>>57597635
Arch Linux has user repositories, trying out Ubuntu's Unity on Arch was fun.

>>57597637
Yes, the installer updates itself, but it was only a few seconds on my machine.

Also you didn't answer my question.
The problems you described were only relevant a long time ago.

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>>57597657
>a few seconds on my machine.

Your not being very subtle.

it's pretty okay for a hobbyist os

>>57597648
I've worked with AUR before and it has a lot of benefits but lot of times I don't have the patience to sit while it takes forever to compile from source when Ubuntu I can install a binary.

Arch is great but not always practical to fix when updates go awry and such.

>>57597317

takes too long to install
doesn't work on my hardware

>>57597683
>Ubuntu I can install a binary.

Ubuntu is literally like Microsoft Windows with it's specific release versions and how apps can't run on it because of frozen packages.

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>>57597689
>doesn't work on my hardware

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

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>>57597317
It breaks.

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>>57597694
>Ubuntu is literally like Microsoft Windows

Baiting this hard...

>>57597716
Why does a ppa for 16.04 not work on 16.10? Hm, sounds like Windows really.

>>57597317
>Pros
stable for a rolling release
AUR is huge
really simple to configure
good wiki
>cons
claims to teach you about linux but really doesn't.
AUR is one big gaping security hole
you need to configure things you don't want to configure
logo looks like a fat guy with small penus
Its the fedora of distributions (which is quite impressiv considering that there is one called fedora)
You will have to deal with arch users who think of themselfs as unix-gods while having no clue about anything and sometimes people will think you are one of them.
rolling release is never really stable

>>57597588
>>57597602
>>57597620
>>57597637
>>57597648
>>57597677
>>57597694
>>57597700
>>57597731
https://youtu.be/YgHNtzxO0y8

>>57597317
I tried installing it on my Ethernet-less laptop the other day. Couldn't even get it connected to the Internet.

>>57597329
Spacebar didn't work in the live environment for me, so I'd say no.

As a side note, is there a graphical tool for installing software on Arch, like Ubuntu's Software Center? Considering how much people love the distro, you'd think there would be one, right? But there wasn't one in Antergos's live environment. Also, how is Manjaro, especially compared to Antergos? Since I've only ever been in the Debian family before, I might want to ease myself into Arch instead of jumping into the deep end.

>>57597694
Fair enough. I can respect those that want bleeding edge software but the price to pay is often stability which is what the other guy was concerned about.

>>57597716
If you want to see bait, watch this guy -----> >>57597739
quote every single post I made in this thread, just so he could respond with copypasta.

I've been seeing his type for years.

>>57597752
Oh, then Ubuntu (Debian Based) is perfect.

>>57597749
dude, I don't think arch is for you. Just use a distro like ubuntu and be fine with it.
Not even meaning to be mean. There isn't that much more usage to get out of arch anyway.

>>57597767
see >>57597739
No one cares who you are especially considering your opinions are shit.

>>57597770
It really is. If you want less """""bloat""""" just install ubuntu minimal and what you need.

>>57597775
You apparently do, trolling is against the rules by the way.

>>57597784
In what way is that trolling you dumb tripfag.
Go back to >>>/r/eddit if you think your identity is relevant.

>>57597801
Tripcodes have been a part of 4chan board culture for years, check the source code, genius.

>>57597771
>dude, I don't think arch is for you. Just use a distro like ubuntu and be fine with it.
>Not even meaning to be mean. There isn't that much more usage to get out of arch anyway.

I realized the same thing: Arch is just not for me.
I really wanted to use it, but as this >>57597681 anon said, it's basically a hobbyist os.

I want a (mostly) stable distro.
I just don't have the time for Arch.

My favorite part about Arch is guessing which package is going to break when I run pacman -Syu every week.

>>57597875
Then why the hell do you use Arch?

>>57597867
*buntu is really great for that. Unity is not really good for desktop use but you can use whatever DE you want.
I tend to use i3 no matter what distro I'm on since the config file is easy to understand, the keyboard centric interface is something I prefer and the general lightness is nicer to my battery live when I'm on a laptop.
ricing it isn't for me, but I've seen a lot of ricing for it.

>>57597932
Same here.
Ubuntu + lxde.
Simple, light and just werks.

Fuck arch and especially arch users but why do slackware users get no love around here compared to the Gentoo jerk fest?

>>57597937
>just werks
Something Linux users will never experience.

>>57598039
this desu

>>57597347
You shouldn't trust them, just read the PKGBUILDs and .install files. They're just a few lines of shell script, if that's too much for your dumb ass to comprehend then either keep away from AUR or keep going on blind faith.

>>57598039
Arch with i3 on my laptop has "jest werk'd" for 3 years now, and it was the same on my desktop for ~7 years before I repurposed it as a file server and installed Debian.

There were definitely lots of tweaks to do in the beginning though, would probably have forgotten most of it if I were to do it all over.

>>57598100
>it did just werk
>I needed to make it work first though
Is this guy legit retarded?

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Installing arch right now.
Tried installing openrc version, but holy fuck, i couldn't even pass thought setting up my wifi, errors everywhere.

Because Ubuntu flavours exist. I need something that just works and won't run a major risk of breaking my system with updates.

>>57597700

I would like to see you get a working desktop environment with ALARM on a C100P because I've tried so hard and can't get past the command line

tfw this time last year I was stuck in vi going through my first arch install. Been learning everyday since. Never thought id be able to automate it all. Thx /g/

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>>57598145
>using automatic installer to setup Arch

>>57598145
>installer

Shame on a nigga.

>>57598145
>installer

>>/out/

When I used it for the first time, I was a complete clueless about GNU/Linux. But every other distro I tried on my notebook didn't work.

Then I read about Arch, seemed confused at first. Tried to read the wiki and install at the same time and it didn't really work. Then the second time it got working 'flawless', in the Arch way. Since then, I got to know more about my system and GNU/Linux itself.

>>57598624
>>57598653
>>57598954
>hurr I'm more 1337 because I like to waste time on doing trivial shit manually
kys

>>57597317
pros: well made documentation pages
cons: not gentoo

install /gentoo/ and use Arch documentation when needed.

>I like arch because pacman is very fast, it takes half the time (perceived) to install packages compared to apt.
>I can serve my pacman cache to my family. We have three arch computers and we download the updates from mirrors only once.
>It doesn't break, i have been using it for two years now. It only broke once when i chrooted into it from Android-x86. But it was easy to reinstall.
>It is easy to reinstall because you can just get arch-install-scripts package from the repos and install it to a different partition. You can just copy the pacman cache too.
>It installs very fast, debian or its variants take approximately 40 minutes on my intel sandy bridge laptop, arch takes under 10 minutes after downloading packages. (Yes, including desktop environment.)
>It ended my distro-hopping. If i want to try something new, i just install a new wm or de.
>It doesn't make me go through ppa bullshit if i want to use newer versions of the software that are in official repositories.
>Installer programs are somehow buggy sometimes. I don't know why but whenever I say OK maybe /g/ is right to call Arch shit, let's install something else, the installer programs get stuck, give incomprehensible errors, do something wrong with the installation... This is not always the case but it happened to me many times.
P.S. You may have noticed that I didn't compare it to fedora or other distos much. That's because I didn't use them for a long time. Fedora was too buggy to be usable last time i tried (some years ago).

>>57598111
>you configure it once
>it keeps jest werking for years
This is how most quality software functions

Use arch at work and pretty satisfied with it. Using arch+i3+vim is comfy as hell for a develloper (ahem web-dev).

I have a mint at home though and I'm midly satisfied with it (packages also begin to be outdated as it is not the last version of mint). I may replace it by elementary os as arch does not "just works" with the new JS tools of the week and whatnot and is just more of a pain il the ass than ubuntu based shit when all you want is masturbate and get work donne.

>>57599594
Why would you need those JS tools on your home machine? And if you'd have to fix them at work you'd already know how to fix them anyway, so no big deal.

>>57599621
I'm a huge geek/nolife and I like to work at home. I didn't even go outside since friday evening.

Also, is not just JS tools. For vim's autocompletion engine, I had to compile manually after multiple updates. I had my wifi network adapter not working after an update and other things like that.

Even if i like improving my linux knowledge, I prefer to have the comfort to work on what I WANT to work at home.

>>57597592
>The aur is irrelevant since its 3rd party
What the fuck does that even mean? Just because software is third party doesn't mean anything dumbass. There's "third party" software in the official repo of your fav distro too

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>>57598624
>>57598653
>>57598954
>WAHHH ONLY ELITISTS ARE ALLOWED TO INSTALL ARCH GET OUT
This is why everybody hates the Arch community

>>57600686
You fags over on /a/ developed elitism for chinese pedo bait cartoons. If this isn't the most autistic thing on this planet then I don't fucking know anymore.

Daily reminder to
emerge -avuDN @world

>>57600740
I prefer to yaourt -Syyua

>>57600725
hate to use this phrase but, anime website bruv. We all watch it we all like it, now fuck outta here

>>57600777
No.

>>57600777
You hate to use it because it's a wrong and outdated statement. This is just an imageboard that offers board for all kinds of interests including boards for anime and other degenerate shit like /mlp/.

>>57600725
/a/ is the least elitist board on 4chan, holy shit. They will watch absolutely anything as long as it's Japanese and shitpost like /v/'s little brother.

You're even more autistic for getting mad over a fucking drawing though.

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>>57600815
>>57600797
hmm the time difference between these posts. just right for the cooldown, anime website bruv(s). Someone post moot banning a normie for shitting on anime

>>57600825
>/a/ is the least elitist board on 4chan
Fresh from reddit I see. Don't talk about 4chan boards like you know shit.

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>>57600797
>>57600815
>how to spot a newfag
Anime is posted and tolerated everywhere on 4chan and don't forget things like 404 girl.

4chan always was and always will be an anime website, whether you like it or not.

>>57600825
what is /r9k/?

It's not difficult to install. I am a linux noob and I got it within two hours aprox.
Including the nvidia-settings fix for screen tearing. That if you use more than one monitor is a bit of a pain in the ass (at least from my experience)

>>57600897
Oh look, the usual anime cock gobbler drone who immediately supports those random fags who do it for free the moment they smell the opportunity.

Don't worry though. I wouldn't be here if I had a problem with degenerates. I will always call you fags out though to make you realize you don't have a safe heaven on this planet.

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>>57600957
mate, the only contrarian here is (You), I used to be like you but you just accept anime when you mature because you don't care

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>>57600957
>I will always call you fags out though to make you realize you don't have a safe heaven on this planet.
I'm happy that you will go back to wherever you came from once you realize that anime is everywhere on 4chan and there's nothing you can do about it

>>57600957
>Getting triggered by anime
Kys

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>>57601000
Fucking kek. Every single time.

Antergos babby here. Sometimes when I try installing something from the AUR it gives me an error saying something along the lines of 'PGP could not be verified' or something. This only happens with certain packages.
How do I fix this?

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>>57601135

>>57601138
yaourt -G package
cd package
makepkg -si --skippgpcheck

>>57601177
Stop using yaourt in (((current year))) faggot.

>>57597317
>Why are you not an Arch user?

Because I have actual work to do.

>>57601177
Thanks, will try this later

>>57601191
Why?

Trash hobby OS that sperglords use for internet cred

>>57601202
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AUR_helpers#Comparison_table
Refer to the wiki for enlightenment, as always.

>>57597329
The installer sometimes breaks and it doesn't have a check to prevent the user from not entering a password for encryption. Otherwise its has good options to customize your installation, such as choosing a DE or openbox and any programs you want initially.

>>57600897
>Anime is posted and tolerated everywhere on 4chan
Wrong.

>4chan always was and always will be an anime website
Very wrong.

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>>57601580
>Wrong.
Wrong.
>Very wrong.
Very wrong.

Lurk more

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Genuinely curious, anons. Been using the aur for a while, but to this day, I have no idea what these numbers to the side mean. What the fuck are these, how do you use them?

>>57601543
What's the big difference between choosing them during installation and just installing them after installation?

>>57601580
You are incorrect. Please gtfo.

>>57601603
>Wrong.
Wrong.
>Very wrong.
Very wrong.

Lurk more.

>>57601650
Nah.

Because i'm a winfag and i don't think i'd have the patience for Arch.

Apropos: What's the best linux for a winfag who needs linux for work?

>>57601653
no you

>>57601663
Solus or mint.

>>57601610
First number: votes
Second number: popularity

From the Arch Wiki:
"Popularity is calculated as the sum of all votes with each vote being weighted as a factor of .98 per day since its creation

How can I vote for packages in the AUR?

Sign up on the AUR website to get a "Vote for this package" option while browsing packages. After signing up it is also possible to vote from the commandline with

 aurvote-git

"

>>57601663
Ubuntu for a more up-to-date packages. But the
distro is tainted for being an Amazon cuck. You
can try Debian but it's old as fuck. Fedora is quite
ok if you don't mind fewer packages and being
a test monkey for RHEL.

>>57601685
Any particular reasons?
I used Mint once at school. It was... not terrible.

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>>57601696
Appreciate it anon.

>>57601697
I'm trying Ubuntu now. I'm not happy. It's giving me trouble.

whoa buddy I use arch myself but this thread has no reason to exist and will just attract shitposters, please stick to /fglt/

>>57601756
I'll take threads like these over "AMD/NVIDIA BTFO" /v/-tier threads

>>57601619
the reason for that is antergos sets up configuration files for those DEs to use before hand, where as if you install a DE afterwards, you'll either have to commit to antergos config from online for their setup or use the default one from after installation.

Pro: It's not as bad as Ubuntu/Gentoo
Con: Nowhere near as good as Solus.

>>57597592
>Gentoo
>Binary-based distro
Pick one.

And yes i use gentoo.

>>57601714
They are both gui heavy operating systems, and very user friendly.
They are designed to appeal to people coming over from Windows or os x.

>>57597932
in layman's terms, what are the differences between a window manager like i3 and a desktop environment like gnome? I get it you don't get top toolbars in windows and thus you can't resize them and move then around? what are the advantages of that? I love the idea of a lightweight environment for my laptop, but I don't seem to get how window managers work

>>57601851
Thanks. I'm interested in trying Solus now.

>>57601882
Basically, the advantage of tiling wm like i3 is that you don't have to constantly adjust and manage windows with your mouse. You can use keyboard shortcuts to move windows around, and they will automatically snap to a certain configuration.

You have to try it out to fully understand it.

Also the general differcne between window managers and DE's is that a DE has a bunch of bloat preinstalled. With a WM, you don't have a menu system or anything preinstalled, so you can pick what you want.

>>57601962
>With a WM, you don't have a menu system or anything preinstalled,
Unless you're using Awesome on Ubuntu

>>57602005
Oh yeah, I forget about that. Still, you don't have any utilities installed with it, which is good

>>57597317
>Why are you (not) an Arch user?

No fucking installer. I prefer things that respect my time over things that respect muh freedumbs.

>>57602086
Installing arch is faster than installing any other linux.
But I agree that installing OpenBSD is faster than arch.

>>57602086
Use Arch Anywhere
>>57602113
>Installing arch is faster than installing any other linux.
Well meme'd

>>57601962
ok, what's a good starting point then? i remember using fluxbox and icewm in the past but there were app and system menus IIRC

>>57602173
It is if you know what you're doing

>>57602188
I'd recommend i3 to start with. For a launcher, I use dmenu. It will feel weird to not use menus at first, but you get used to it quickly. It's way faster than clicking through menus to launch a program

>>57602237
thanks, anon, i'll check it out. what do you mean by launcher, some kind of start menu add-on? an app bar like in os x?

>>57601243
I've noticed there yaourt has multiple issues, thanks.
Which one would you suggest?

>>57597449
>Lightweight is a buzzword. It has no meaning

Plus, it's irrelevant if the system is powerful enough. I have a i7-3770K with 16GB RAM, so for me KDE has no delays whatsoever. Yeah, it hogs RAM, but why should I care?

I only care about "lightweight" on my Raspberry Pi.

>>57602261
it's the thing you use to start programs, so yeah sort of like an app bar or start menu, but you use a keyboard shortcut to bring it up

Basically like [Windows Key] + r in Windows

>>57597435
AUR imo but AUR has much more

>>57600686
I agree. arch-anywhere is great.

I like arch but fuck like %90 of its users.

>>57597317
I don't get the needless urge for bleeding edge software. Why do I need latest kernel for my Sandy Bridge machine? Why do I need the latest versions of GNU utilities if they remain almost the same for last 20 years? Why do I need the latest Firefox build if it fucks up my user.js settings? And to install ESR or Tor Browser i need to fuck with AUR packet managers. Why do I need Arch if I can have Debian with backports or bleeding edge that will not break after one month when running occasional software update.
Explain me please.

>>57602691
Arch has other advantages, besides being bleeding edge.

>>57602691
What about this needless fear about breaks due to software updates?

>>57603766
Such as? :^D

>>57597329
How bloated is it?

>>57597317
>Arch Linux General

Filtered.

>>57604188
Easy development, AUR, non-retarded maintainers, decent package manager, rolling release.

>>57604218
>non-retarded maintainers
That's questionable, you know it.
t. long time arch user

>>57604443
At least they are better than debian's.

>>57598053
There's also patches!

>>57604204
It's literally just Arch with options to install your preferred DE

>>57597317
archlinux doesnt provide 100% freedom to its users, because you are limited to systemd and you cannot choose what features will be included in programs, in the other hand gentoo can do that with USE flag.

>>57604709
>you cannot choose what features will be included in programs, in the other hand gentoo can do that with USE flag
That's to be expected, since Arch is a binary distro. You can easily rebuild selected software with different options. But it's true it's not as flexible as portage.

>>57598053
But how about patches?

What's the difference between freshly installed Arch base system and Debian with non-gui install path? Software-wise.

>>57606694
One is secure this other isn't.

>>57606694
Broken or so old that it's unusable

Both suck honestly

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>>57597317
Buying new laptop.
Should I go Arch Main boys?

>>57597317
Not using arch because debian exists.
Currently running bunsenlabs

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>>57600725
You're trying too hard, newfriend.

>>57607196
If you're experienced, go for it.
If not, use manjaro, it's based off of Arch and is said to be beginner friendly.

>>57607511
>Manjaro
Please use a trip in the future so I can filter you for being an idiot.

>>57607196
Use antergos instead of Manjaro.

>>57598493
Literally just compile X you massive faggot.