Do they intentionally make this stuff as awful as possible to

>>57593527
You bitch too much.
a few weeks ago I had to quickly splice a line in 3 places in a permanent fashion, and all I had was a fucking soldering iron.

>>57593527
Jesus you're a bitch. If you are doing a lot of punch downs, buy a JackRapid tool and knock them out in like 10 seconds.

For untwisting the pairs, just use a small screwdriver; slip it between the base and pull up. Boom, untwisted. Also, buy a jacket cutter so you don't have to use the string. They are dirt cheap and you just spin it around the cable once and slide the jacket off.

>>57593527
>>wires twisted so tight you have to use
You're really bitchy about this purposeful feature

needle nose or give yourself carpal tunnel to get them untwisted
without the twisting they become more susceptible to EMI

making your own cables is for people whose time is worthless.

nothing is a bigger waste of time than getting the correct order of the wires just to have one of them fuck up at the last second, or having it all look okay just to have to cut it off because it doesnt work

some people with real jobs actually save money by using ebay and mono price, because our time is worth more than that bullshit

>>57593723
>making your own cables is for people whose time is worthless.

Or, you know, need a specific length so you don't have a gigantic mess of slack cabling shitting up the place.

>>57593874
again, someones who actually values their time would have the correct measurements and purchase the correct length patch cable

>>57593723

Or.. you're a low voltage data tech and this is your profession

>>57593883

Except for that they come in intervals and you can't readily obtain specific lengths.

Also if you don't have the skill to strip and crimp a patch cable in seconds you have no business doing networking.

>>57593874
they make cords in virtually every usable length

6 inch, 1ft, 3ft, 4ft, 5ft, 6ft, 10ft, 15ft, 20ft, 25ft, 30, 35, 50, even 60ft, 100ft

>>57593927
making cables is tier 1 help desk level, sorry i only deal with tier 3 problems and am not a ticket jockey

>>57593527
>Why not keep them together and make the pattern 10 times easier to remember?

Pretty good question, most standards have some obfuscation built in so amateurs don't try and do professional work without training. Contractors shouldn't be memorizing things, they should be referencing standards every step of the way.

>>57593940
>>57593883
>Pulling a patch lead down a wall
>Fishing a patch lead through a tiny hole in a wall cavity
>Pulling 3-4 patch leads through a piece of conduit
>Managing extra bullshit length where often there is nowhere to do so

This is why everyone buys a box of cable and crimps end at the perfect length. Clearly you have never, ever had to use patch leads in an actual workplace scenario, get the fuck out.

>>57593967
>Contractors shouldn't be memorising things

U wot. Enjoy playing twice as much because chucklefuck cleetus is looking at a book every 5 minutes.

>>57593995
those are jobs for maintenance, not operations

>>57593995
Theres nothing wrong with leaving a little slack

>>57594018
Yeah, so 99% of the work that is done by people. Sure if I have to plug a pc into a wall of patch a switch together I'll use patch leads, everyone would. I don't see the point here?

>>57594039
You're totally right, but often there is nowhere to actually leave slack. At least not without it looking like shit and some dickhead raging at you because it looks shit.

>>57594013

>Contractor who has to check the relevant standards before beginning his work for the day

vs

>Contractor who is pretty sure he remembers the standard from the last job

Hmm... I'll take the first one.

>>57594421
Contractors, especially low voltage ones do the same shit day in and day out. he must have a pretty shitty memory if he can't remember how to terminate a plug after 500 times doing it and needs to read a book.

>>57593527
They are frustrating until you realize that those cables were designed by people that are an order of magnitude more Intelligent than yourself.

The cables are twisted to reduce crosstalk. The pattern that you arrange them in is likewise designed. The string is to cut away the outer shielding. You strip the shielding, then use the fiber to expose more wire, and cut away the part you originally stripped from. This way prevents you from terminating cable that was cut during the stripping process, and will save you major headaches down the road.

>>57593527
>why would you separate orange from orange with stripe? Why not keep them together and make the pattern 10 times easier to remember?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_jack

It's done that way to make it backwards compatible with rj-11 and other rj standards. The blue pair in the middle is pair one, then the orange pair surrounds it as pair two, then they stick the green (pair three) and brown (pair four) on either side.

>>57593995
Sup john

>>57594781
But you should never be plugging in anything that isn't an rj45 into an rj45 jack. I mean sure, you can and it works but it will fuck the outside pins especially when some office muppet is kicking it around everyday.

>>57593640
Exactly this. Ran 33K feet of CAT6A a few months ago.

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>>57593582
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>>57593640
The argument for not using a jacket cutter is that you might nick wires, especially if the wire works now, but breaks later. Pulling the string isn't even that hard when you have your technique down. Just give yourself lots of leeway to grab and rip and not worry about trying to save an inch or two.

>>57593940
When you run cables through walls and ceilings, you have no idea what the final length will be.

>>57593940
>6 inch, 1ft, 3ft, 4ft, 5ft, 6ft, 10ft, 15ft, 20ft, 25ft, 30, 35, 50, even 60ft, 100ft
>not metric.
die.

>>57595363
As a previous Cisco VoIP engineer, you're retarded as fuck

>>57593723
>because our time is worth more than that bullshit

Alternatively: don't be a whiny boor, be somewhat skilled and do it in the time it takes fucks like you to order the damn cable.

>>57593527
Stop buying cheap, shitty chink cat5.

>>57597753
do you measure your monitor in metric too

are you so slow you can't know two standards for measurement like everyone else that matters

>>57594421
Its really not that hard to remember the colour codes if your IQ is over 80

>>57593527
The tight twisting enables better speeds. One of the reasons cat 6 can achieve gigabit ethernet is because of how uniformly and tightly the cables are twisted. 6a is even more strictly manufactured.

So deal with it faggot.

>>57593912
Don't like your job then just quit.