>OSes don't have cool startup sounds anymore >everything

>>57490172

I agree with the premise of this thread

>>57490172
They aren't fun anymore. Hard drives all sound the same. Prebuilts are generic chinkmade cookie-cutter shit. It's function over form at its finest, I guess.

>me at age of 10
>parents forbid me to go on PC
>parents go out
>parents returning
>entering into house
>loud "Da na na na" Windows XP shutdown sound
Outed

I agree. We definitely did. All websites look the same and shit too. ugh

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V869_JTI00o

imagine you forget turning off your speakers and the next day this blasts at full volume accidentally

>>57490400
Kek. Thank God they took it out in the final builds of Win2K.

>>57490400
Why are you posting on /g/, Archit?

echo "exec \"mpv ~/.startupsound.wav\"" >> ~/.i3/config

fixed it for you OP :3

>>57490172
By glossiness you mean the tranparent shit that was popular back in win7 era? If so, i still dig that shit. I dont know why it stopped to be used and was replaced by material shit. Fuck that. Material is boring as fu k

>>57490566
I like Windows 7's Aero, and OS X's old look (think Snow Leopard/Lion.)
I don't care for iOS 6 and older's excessively glossy appearance, or Windows 8/10's flat and single-colour scheme.

>>57490172
Solus has a startup sound actually, and it's not overpoweringly dominant like the old windows one.

I like it

>>57490563
better off using aplay or somethingm mpv is a bit heavy just to play a short wav clip

>change startup sound to this entire song as a prank for my family
>they never changed it back
>boot it up recently and immediately feel nostalgic

https://youtu.be/lWhP7O3GyNI

>>57490172
It's true. Technology in the 90's (and even the early 2000's) felt utopian and futuristic. There was wonder and excitement to it.

>>57490400
i fucking love this one. also the windows 2000 beta had a pretty cool log off sound

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJOZV4-zOpI

>Loathes OS sounds
>Prefers muted and bland theming; no flashy colors, no naked chicks, no hot rods or racing machines.

>>57491149
ffplay -nodisp

https://youtu.be/dGKwx-BFO0E

>>57490172
computers are just tools, who gives a shit what they look or sound

this is borderline zealous applefag thinking

>>57490232
Didn't you have on/off switch on speakers?

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>>57490400
I know this exact feel.

>>57490172

Nothing personal about computers anymore, collective and cloud-based computing of consumption and behavioral content data.

>>57493777
Is there anything wrong with that?

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>people feeling nostalgic for that xp slut

The problem is that they turned the very act of using a computer in to part of the "experience."

So now we have everyone competing with everything else to dominate the act of even using the computer. Want to open a program? Nope, you have to watch a cartoon of a program being opened before you get to use it. I got autistically mad at the Win10 calculator that even has an animation before it lets you use it.

Same thing applies to the web as well. The content is a few KB of text in an article or journal, but there's 1MB of images and JS bollocks on top of that. Because it adds to the experience, I guess. Putting things in the browser was a mistake as well because it took things out of the user's hands. You don't download a video or audio file any more, you stream it in a program designed to navigate documents.

No wonder resource usage is so high. VLC/MPV playing a video, and Midori browsing the web doesn't even use 1/4 of the resources of a modern browser doing nothing at all.

I know the defence of this will be "oh, hardware is cheap, so is bandwidth." Well I don't think that's fucking good enough. /g/ shouldn't accept this. /o/ wouldn't consider a car great if it has a top speed of 30MPH and consumed a gallon of fuel every mile.

>>57493871
But this is, in essence, what the argument is.

Modern computing UIs (and programs in general) do not treat the computer as a tool, but rather an entertainment device in its own right.

>>57495494
>Nothing personal about computers anymore, collective and cloud-based computing of consumption and behavioral content data.
Install a purely libre GNU distribution and don't use the "cloud". There, personal computing.

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>>57495593
>but there's 1MB of images and JS bollocks on top of that.
It's actually quite a bit more than that. Most of it isn't even related to the page, it's all sorts of ads and tracking bullshit. Tragic when you think about how much you can do now with modern CSS and JS, you can make amazing shit with just a few kb worth of code and text.

Also in contrast to /o/, /g/ is filled with the kind of shits that only care about either aesthetics or materialism. Nobody here is concerned with actual product quality.

>>57495698
Nobody but you, of course.

>implying material design wasn't memed into life in the 2000s by teenagers themeing and tweaking XP into a dark, edgy, simple desktop
Humanity brough it on itself

>>57495711
Look at the state of this board and tell me I'm fucking wrong then.

>>57493871
>Computers are tools
>Flashy UI uses resources that will NOT be swapped for actual work
>your actual work will go to swap instead

>>57495726
The amount of people who get triggered by "poorfags" because they don't buy a new computer every two years is testament to that. The consumerism is out of control on this board, and the terrible philosophy of accepting trash because hardware is "cheap" when it's anything but in the grand scheme of things.

>>57495635
"public" computing(mainframes and unix) -> private computing(dos, windows) -> public computing(mainframes and unix???)

>>57490172
thank man for reminding, now I'm setting win95 startup sound as logon sound. Need that nostalgia injection everyday yo.

>>57495593
>I got autistically mad at the Win10 calculator that even has an animation before it lets you use it.
Yeah.
The login prompt doesn't let you type anything before the new animation has finished playing.
It means that it takes multiple seconds longer to log in now, I hit a key to despawn the lock screen and start typing, the text field starts accepting input when I'm half way done with my password.

Everything has to be smooth and slow and painful.

>>57495789
History tends to repeat itself.
I wonder what we'll get on the next turn.

>>57495593
>the Win10 calculator that even has an animation before it lets you use it.
How do people put up with this shit, just switch to lincucks already.

>>57495407
They were built in desktop back then.
I had some chink-prebuilt PC.

>>57490172
100% agree OP

As with music, film and arts in general, things come increasingly empty of quality content and replace it with generic formulas so gradually that we did not even find out.

I just configured a NT for a company that refuses to upgrade. Such fun. Made recovery floppies and everything.

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>>57497178
Windows 7 doesn't have that problem. It all went to shit starting with 8.

>>57497178
Reminds me of the Unity 8 demo, where the calculator has a _loading bar_

>>57495840
There is still a way out for you. It's not too late to switch to Linux

>>57498551
NT 4.0? Damn, why the fuck won't they upgrade?

>>57498830
Why to switch if it works?

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>>57499197
To switch for satisfaction of to have new hardware, comrade.

>>57498784
Well.
All my windows 10 installs live inside qemu-kvm.

>>57497565
> As with music
But music is 2000 years old, how didn't you notice that music cosists of generic formulas?

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>>57490172
>no little icons representing installed system extensions trailing across the screen during startup
In fact, I miss the concept of extensions altogether pretty badly. Classic Mac OS had a bunch of cool extensions that haven't been replicated on any system since. Extensions could do damn near anything – people did crazy shit like rewrite the entire text drawing system and add a physics engine to the system drag + drop facilities.

>>57502375
This was also a big reason why classic Mac OS became such a crash-prone, unmaintainable mess, you know.

>>57502504
For sure, but one could mitigate it as long as he kept track of what he had running, kept common conflicts in mind, etc.

With large chunks of system functionality split into extensions, you could create extension sets and keep different sets suited for particular tasks. I remember having a barebones set for running more demanding games and Virtual PC that more than halved the resource requirements of the OS and allowed the games or VPC to run considerably better.

And that doesn't even get into the insane UI customization/ricing possibilities extensions offered. There's still nothing as good as Kaleidoscope.

The tradeoff was worth it if you were smart.

>>57502563
I never used Classic Mac OS and I don't know what are you talking about - where can I read and how that's called?

>>57502989
I don't know of any one good spot to read about these things, but can answer questions if you like. I used classic Mac OS for around 6-7 years before moving on to OS X.

>>57503214
Well, what can you compare in modern operating systems with Mac OS extensions?
What was used to write those extensions?
What was the major problem about extensions?

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I do like the Windows classic style. Windows 2000 had it down perfectly. Everything was seamless and coherent. No inconsistencies. It was just one solid machine.

I also like BeOS's style, maybe even more than Win2k's style. I like the consistent isometric pixel art style of the icons. I like the deskbar, and things like buttons and tabs were just slightly more polished than Win2k. In a perfect world, BeOS would have had half the market and tons of software/driver support. Then today, everyone could have jumped ship from Windows 10.

>>57503419
What if Haiku will get 1.0 version?

>>57503341
>Well, what can you compare in modern operating systems with Mac OS extensions?
Extensions are like what used to be called TSRs in the old days. Terminate and Stay Resident. They'd load at startup and modify the way the system treated various inputs and/or events. If they were user controllable they'd be Control Panels. For instance, some CD-ROM drivers were Control Panels and the user could modify how the CD-ROM drive worked on-the-fly.
The problem was that many were poorly written and there was no control over how they interacted with the system or each other (a bit like DLLs in Windows). Thus there were programs like Conflict Catcher and Extension Manager to help sort it out.

>>57503341
>>57503634
More precisely, extensions and control panels injected themselves into the in-memory copy of the system at specific points during startup, meaning that they could modify practically anything about the system and could do anything the system could. This made them extremely powerful, but it also meant that two extensions could try to modify the same portion of the system and end up conflicting. The whole setup was also a security nightmare by today's standards, and any modern attempts at reproducing it would need to heavily control the ability to install extensions, require signed code, etc.

Operating systems have become too bland and serious lately. I remember in the xp days One of the first things it had you do is choose a user picture, also the setup music was dope. Now you can't even change the start up sound with out going into the registry. The icons are less welcoming too, now it is minimalist serious business shit while in the past they were a bit crude and silly.

oh look nostalgia circlejerk #894924

>I feel like we lost something.
You grew up.

>Like computers aren't fun anymore.
They were never fun, you just finally figured them out. You grew up.

>Modern design makes me feel dead inside.
Wait another decade and your NT shit will be back. Or you can just jerk off for another decade. BBSes and IRCs are hungry and ready to consume you so you can do nothing for 30-40 years

>>57503419
It's insane how much useful information they cram in to that resolution. I have a 1024x768 screen, like that image, and would not get half as much looking half as legible.

>>57504059
Did you try GNU/Linux?

>>57503817
>The whole setup was also a security nightmare by today's standards, and any modern attempts at reproducing it would need to heavily control the ability to install extensions, require signed code, etc.
How about just sandboxing the whole thing?

>>57490172
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACEkZQyCc4Y
>"Skip to 3:07 if you don't want to hear Tadas"

>>57504594
jesus it's still doing Tadas for another minute after

>>57504447
I use XFCE. While I could shrink icons and text down, I'd be going against design, rather than that BeOS screenshots, where it's clearly operating as part of the design.

>>57495593
>/g/ shouldn't accept this. /o/ wouldn't consider a car great if it has a top speed of 30MPH and consumed a gallon of fuel every mile.

We shouldn't, and one of the reasons is electronic pollution is a real thing that may become more of a concern as the years go by. The energy to run all of these computers has to come from somewhere, and so does the heat generated. And of course the heaps and heaps of discarded hardware that is not being properly disposed of. Hardware that was perfectly good for doing most of the things we do today and which software could have been optimized for.

>>57504661
Not only that, but what people do on these devices is also bad for the environment. I've heard all sorts of figures about how much energy 'the internet' (servers, data centers, 3G and 4G, wifi, etc.) consumes, but none of it is good.

And with the move to streaming 4K over 4G it's only going to get worse.

When you think that you could replace several of the basement-size BBS stations of the past with a single SBC these days, you realise how far we've come in some ways, but then you think about everything else and wonder if the old way was actually, comparatively, greener.

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>>57495593
>I got autistically mad at the Win10 calculator that even has an animation before it lets you use it.
I just looked this up, and what the fuck?

Why? Is it a fucking loading splash, or is it just useless time-wasting shit?

>>57504740
>Is it a fucking loading splash

Which leads to another disgusting question: why does a calculator need to 'load' at all on modern hardware?

>>57501176
"Popular music" is barely sixty years old, it didn't become a true industry until jukeboxes, vinyl and FM radio

Note how there were some famous jazz guys and shit before them but Elvis and the Beatles were the first true "products"

>>57504880
"Apps" are like E.T.: They phone home before connecting, so M$ can check what you're calculating and make sure it's not how many gigabytes of kiddie porn you have fapped to.

i miss the kde 3.x sounds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73vBLOy4rEs

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>>57505079
This is probably closest to the truth.

What useful metrics do they expect from fucking calc.exe

>>57504735
Jevons paradox

>>57491339
>https://youtu.be/lWhP7O3GyNI

This is beautiful. Thank you.

>>57505125
They were awesome.

>>57505135
>What useful metrics do they expect from fucking calc.exe
startup time :^)

>>57505885
Exactly what I was getting at. I remember someone did a bit of simple maths to look at a large BBS system, and basically came up with something that would beat it that used single-digit watts.

Even now there's people that are hosting BBSs, Gopherholes and MUDs on solar powered SBCs.

I think this is what gets to me: that people have these huge foreign servers sucking up untold amounts of energy, and yet they talk to people that are in the same area as them.

I'm not sure what can be done about this, but I know that I'll support these personal projects, and run this hardware, for as long as I can. In fact, now that I think about it I haven't bought a new piece of tech for about 10 years. Even my monitor was second hand.

>>57504661
>The energy to run all of these computers has to come from somewhere, and so does the heat generated
Running a computer doesn't intrinsically affect the total heat output of the earth. All of the energy that we are released in the form of heat comes from our environment, which means it ultimately comes from the sun. It's energy that was in the system to begin with.

For example, if you use a solar panel network to drive a server farm, the heat you're generating with your computation is just the heat that you're “absorbing” with the solar panels.

Same deal for wind turbines etc., all energy on earth comes from the sun and ends up as heat anyway, and on the grand scheme of things, the earth has a fixed, balanced rate of heat absorbtion and heat output. How that heat flows about inside the earth's microcosm doesn't change those rates.