What is the best messaging app and why is it LINE? >end to

>>57429441
take your marketing somewhere else, shill

As much as I want to, I am not going to force my friends on to some weird messaging service. I use the Facebook messenger because that's where my friends are.

My whole family uses it

>>57429480

Go back to shilling putin backed telegram because it's "safe"

>>57429607
LINE is for normies too.
See: >>57429621

>>57429441
Conversations

>>57429441
>trusting ricejews

Communication thread?

My boss wants me to vet the merits of Skype for Business. I understand this is /g/ and they will discourage the adoption because of Microsoft so my question is, are there any free/GNU alternatives to Skype for Business?

>>57429441
>made by trustworthy japs
haha

you don't have a clue where they might fuck up of all places though, and that's the thing with them and internet technology

>>57429840
Wire
Not GNU server, but at least it's encrypted, unlike Skype. Why would you give the NSA all your data?

LINE is alright. I use it with a few /jp/ fags, /cgl/ fags, and a /pol/tard.

>>57429901
I appreciate that. I am not really in a position to be telling my boss what software to adopt altogether but I figured I might mention an alternative if Skype truly does not fit our needs.

Thanks a bunch.

>>57430028
my circle of /pol/tards uses it extensively.

>>57430044
is the group named "inner circle"?

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I prefer pic related

>>57430028
Same with my group of weeaboo friends.

LINE has "encryption" too but it's likely nothing grand.

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>>57430066
m-maybe

>>57430225
i like when fags say 'its likely (this)' or 'its likely (that)' it means i can discredit anything you say because you dont know. youre going off assumptions

>>57430225

it's actually very grand. They have a full write up here:

http://developers.linecorp.com/blog/?p=3679

>>57430247
kek
>>57430225
/g/ line group when, wait no that would be awful

Why not use Signal?

>>57430371

because signal isn't user friendly and you'll never convince anyone to use it.

>>57430402
What's not user friendly about signal? You just set it up with your number, do one two-factor authentication and you're good to go.

>>57430432

it's inconsistent due to it also sending regular text messages.

>>57429441
But does it have SMS support? And is it open source?

>>57431152
im certain that every post in this thread was made by OP, kys

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>>57430044
>>57430066
Kek is here

>end to end encryption

Is line meme-encrypted to lure in pedos like the rest, or does it actually pin the counterparty keys?

Japanese Facebook is superior to Western Facebook.
I do trust their business model more. I know they make most of their money selling stickers.

>>57429441
Telegram is much better. Has many more features, secret chat, etc and much more usable

Line has cute anime girl stickers so it's great.

>>57431443

it's real encrypted, read

>>57430260

>>57431529
>putin backdoored non-forced end to end

good b8 m8

>>57431792
>The feature is only activated when all parties interacting have it present on their device. Initially, users must switch on encryption themselves — the setting is buried inside menus — which could impact the initial rollout. But Line plans to switch it on by default for all users soon, initially it is only default for those with one Android device registered to their account. There are plans to add encrypted sealing to Line for desktop and other operating systems over time, too.


so it's exactly like telegram? or not?

>>57430152
it's completely unencrypted

>>57429441
def line because you can talk to kawaii nihonjin cuties! <3

>>57429840
why Skype and not Slack? it's the corporate meme app

>>57431792
>read

I did. It mentions nothing about key authentication, so I'm assuming the worst. Intercepting single SMS is all it takes like most other IMs.

With MITM builtin, it's cargo cult crypto use at best,though intentional backdoor is more likely.

>>57431969
>>57429840
Skype works just fine for daily business stuff.

Slack is nice only for codemonkey teams - tools integration (github, code formatting etc).

>>57431605
Yes basically why it's good. Also has a client for nearly every platform and the Windows one keeps getting updated really nicely.

>>57432352
Compared side by side, tg probably wins. Has desktop client too, and it's a bit of a lesser resource hog.

Both are of course disaster privacy wise.

>>57432396
>Both are of course disaster privacy wise.
I don't care when I have Yuru Yuri stickers.

>>57429629

Telegram is shit not because of Russian connections (hi Fed shill), but because of custom-rolled crypto that's vulnerable to codebreaking and also the lack of default E2E crypto.

>>57429441
that's not kakaotalk op

>>57431792
>putin backdoored non-forced end to end
>backdoored
Nope. It's encrypted. Where the fuck did you get the idea that it's backdoored??
Besides there are NO messengers that arent backdoored in the West. Id rather the Russian govt have possible access than the NSA.

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line has the best fucking stickers but it's not that popular in the us afaik. only have one friend on there

>>57432530

It has custom crypto with documented weaknesses making it vulnerable to nation state cryptanalysis. This would be a bigger issue if it wasn't for the lack of default E2E encryption and lack of available application that supports E2E encryption on most platforms.

>new fangled shit phone app crap
xmpp+otr is master race for a reason kid

>>57432338
slack is a fucking lovecraftian horror that needs to be eradicated and purged from this world by all that is good and holy.

>>57432438
>vulnerable
Nope

>>57432352
sad I had to install chromium on linux to get the chromeOS version of LINE, since there isn't a native LINE client

>>57431834

It's been enabled by default for almost a year anon. Your snippet is from 2 years ago.

>>57432948

http://www.alexrad.me/discourse/a-264-attack-on-telegram-and-why-a-super-villain-doesnt-need-it-to-read-your-telegram-chats.html

Yep.

>>57429441
The only "issue" is that Line does not have a software for linux desktop.
There's the app for android, iOS. You can use Line with windows and OSX. But not from Linux.
Line.exe works pretty shitty on wine so I have give up and use it only through my phone...

>>57435403

You can use the LINE ChromeOS app on Linoox.

Not ideal but it works.

>>57429441
ok

>>57435431
Is this just a google chrome plug in?
I have found this : http://forest.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/714212.html

Is there a guide or something to install it?

>>57432476
literally no one outside of SK uses kakao, get that shit out of here

i traveled the world

it has forced me to have

>viber
>wechat
>line
>whatsapp
>kakao talk
>bbm

all installed for all my peeps

kakao is ok, viber sucks, i prefer line out of all of them, or wechat

I use regular SMS via Textra.

>tfw whole family uses facebook messenger and whatsapp
>"anon why can't I find you on facebook?"
>"youre so weird why don't you have a facebook lol"
>"just install messenger so we can talk you don't need a facebook account"
>whatsapp asks for phone number

Yeah no, is line a botnet as well?

>>57430035
At least get him to use Slack

Yeah, it's so great how you can only have it installed on one mobile device at a time and it nukes all your data and records when you install it on a new device. Eat shit, Naver.

Also it was awful how long the desktop app lagged behind the mobile app in terms of functionality. Absolutely disgusting. But I live in Japland so it's impossible to avoid it, the drones here refuse to acknowledge the existence of any alternatives.

>>57429441
> Closed source
> Can't use on more than one device
> Retarded security features
> Fat app
> Keep getting unknown errors when logging in so can't even use it
> Requires phone number, and they actually ban voip numbers

No thanks

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>>57435488
chromium / extensions / line

Every Taiwanese uses it, it's extremely bloated compared to other messaging apps but it has amazing anime stickers

>>57437876
It's less bloated than Skype.

>>57429441
It is made by Koreans actually.
Naver is the developer, biggest tech company from Korea.

>>57430152
WeChat (with the Chinese government)

BBM tho

>>57437876
it's probably the least bloated messaging app out there.

>>57431529
My problem with Telegram is that it isn't end-to-end encrypted by default. Other than that, Telegram is some great shit.

>>57437843
thanks todomatsu.

>>57436274
If you use a cellphone, everything is a botnet.

>>57429607
This is pretty much it. All my friends are using WhatsApp, I'm not going to try and make them switch to LINE

>>57429629
LINE might be for "normies" too, but if your friends aren't using it it's kinda worthless.

Though I don't completely trust it, WhatsApp does have end-to-end encryption, so it's certainly not a total loss. As many others have said, WhatsApp is just far, far more popular than LINE or any other app, so it doesn't really make much sense to use the other ones unless you're in the specific geographical area where one of them is popular. You're already making a sacrifice to use one of them by trusting the platform and I doubt that the biggest ones are really that much different from each other when it comes to privacy concerns.

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>>57437876
>not using LINE Lite
Literally weighs less than 1 MiB.

>tfw all of my classmates uses it and I'll be fucked if I don't have it
B-but muh botnet

>>57432920
Why?

>>57438425

it's easy to convince friends to use it though when other normies use it and they probably know people who already use it, even if not as many.

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>>57437057

>and it nukes all your data and records when you install it on a new device

Why is this a bad thing? That's how end to end encryption is supposed to work.

Also not true, you can you desktop LINE together with phone LINE. Though it also purges all chat on desktop if you reinstall on phone.

>>57437398
>end to end encryption
>retarded

Also use LINE Lite, it's super tiny.

>>57429441
>postulating an initial open ended question then changing the question to one that seeks validation for your own opinionated answer to the initial question disregarding that the initial question is open ended and has no definitive correct answer

>>57429441
>Posts random notifications
>uses plenty of resources in the backgrounds
>collects data on users
>constantly pings location
Sure man, great app.

>>57431171
Signal is what you're looking for

>>57442125

>location is end to end encrypted
>there's a lite version of the app

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.linecorp.linelite&hl=en

>>57440810
hello hats

>not Viber
>not the superior israeli app gone jap

>>57442245

Hats is a cucked faggot. Don't ever speak to me again.

Allo is pretty damn good.
Love it, wish more people used it.

>>57442360
Sure thing hats

>>57430260
>http://developers.linecorp.com/blog/?p=3679
From what it says there, I have a few comments:

The 'default' encryption uses one static RSA keypair, with bad (PKCS#1 v1.5! Hello Bleichenbacher!) padding.

The 'new' method uses ECDH with P-256 and (according to the diagram, if that's accurate?) AES-256-CBC MAC-then-Encrypt - bad start in there, MtE has a number of very nasty, subtle, can-bite-you-in-the-arse gotchas compared to something more foolproof like EtM. It's readily apparent, therefore, that despite the scant details, the protocol wasn't designed by anyone who knew what they were doing.

In neither method does there appear to be any forward secrecy or ratcheting at all. They're talking about one public keys, but I don't see any ephemeral keys in there? Another bad sign.

There is also no way of detecting a man-in-the-middle attack performed by the server - no method of fingerprint checking.

I'd need to examine the object code or an accurate specification to actually do a proper review and determine if it's pathologically bad (e.g. if it's omitting invalid-point attacks). But it's definitely not as good as Signal or WhatsApp.

It might be better than Telegram's MTProto, but I'm loathe to recommend it from the details so far.

It's got very cute weeb stickers, however.

>>57442417

The "default" encryption you mention doesn't exist anymore. The new E2E is default and can't be turned off.

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I thought /g/ was a GNU/Linux board

Why is /g/ suggesting LINE?
A client without a native GNU/Linux client

Why is /g/ isn't using based Viber?
Viber has a native GNU/Linux made with Qt5

>blah blah encryption
Viber already has end-to-end encryption and there is no reason to think that it's in any way worse than other proprietary messaging encryption schemes
And if you care that much about encryption you shouldn't be using a proprietary messenger in the first place

>>57443860

>running Jewish software

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>>57443907
They are Japanese now, they were bough from Rakuten, therefore just as trustworthy as LINE

>https://www.viber.com/en/about