Xorg to be officially depreciated 11/08/16. Linux will finally

And nothing of value was lost, nor gained.

The world continues to run on Windows.

>>57359625
But August is already two months over.

>>57359625
August was two months ago

?

>>57359649
Only if you like beta testing.

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>implying Mir won't reign supreme
Typical Fedorafag

>>57359725
Wayland is better.

>>57359744
>makes assertion
>provides no sources
Typical Fedorafag

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>>57359625
Thanks Based FEDORA

>>57359798
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Wayland-Mir-News-2015

wayland has more devs supporting it.

>>57359725
Canonical vs Red Hat cuckfight.

>>57359625
Fedora is ditching Xorg next version?

>>57359827
Sorry I should've specified: phoronix doesn't count because it's written by twelve year olds. I thought that was known around here?

>>57359856
They may. Xorg is only included in 25 as an option for those that really need it.

Wow it only took them 10 years. Good job Xorg developers.

>>57359725
>>57359744
>>57359798
I hate how Canonical decided to create a another pointless display server instead of using Wayland. This does nothing but cause more fragmentation with desktop Linux and makes it harder to use unity with other distros. Unity is one of the main reasons I still use Ubuntu.

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Yeah of the Linux desktop is around the corner. I honestly believe that Xorg is what was holding Linux back all these years. All the shitty wierd shit that happens on X doesn't happen on Wayland.

>>57360065
Canonical gonna Canonical

>>57360125
Wtf is Sakura?

>>57360159
Cherry blossoms

will Wayland allow me to remap keys without getting a master's in xkb layout creation?

>>57360174
No I know that because I'm at least 13% weeb, don't be such a penis inhaler.

It's yet another terminal emulator, isn't it?

I honestly don't understand how other window server is gonna change a shit.
Such low level components of the system are not ones usual users care for.
Year of Linux desktop comes never if guys will still write another standards to unify them all. That leads only to "one more competing standard" situation.

Lemme know when MATE supports wayland. Once that happens I'll jump ship.

T. Fehdora user.

>>57360206
yes

>>57360229
Xorg has a very profound effect on the UX.

>>57360288
What's the point of using it over the default? What's the point of using any terminal emulator over the default?

I DON'T UNDERSTAND REEEEEEEEEE

>>57360299
How?

>>57360308
most default terminal emulators suck
unless you're using xfce

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>>57359814

Fucking kek, anon! 10/10!

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>>57360308
I have my reasons

>>57359814
Which distro is the Solar system now?

>>57360324
In what ways do they suck? Genuinely interested here.

>>57359814
I hate debian now

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What's xorg?

What's so good about it being deprecated?

What does this have to do with muh fedora?

Fedora 25 comes out the 15th.

>>57360481
Either they have little configuration/ricing features, or you have to learn some dotfiles and their cryptic syntactic bullshit.

Which makes them actually good for a default choice, they're supposed to take your commands and that's it. But if you want some more control over them you are better off using another terminal made specific for that.

>>57360318
Well, personally I've been experiencing smooth buttery animations, a noticiable lack of video artifacts and when I open up my laptop, I get right to the login screen instead of painfully watching Xorg have a conniption first.

>>57359814
What are the distros in panel 4 and 5?

Will Wayland support all my shitty X programs like xsnow, xclock and others? And what's so bad about X? I've been using it for years and it never broke.

>>57360596
antergos (basically a GUI installer for Arch)
KDE neon (a distro with the sole purpose of having the latest KDE shit)

>>57360625
>And what's so bad about X? I've been using it for years and it never broke.

https://wayland.freedesktop.org/architecture.html

>>57359638
>The world continues to run on Windows.
most servers run on linux retard

>>57360775
and every phone

Only if it's gonna support lxqt

>>57360629
Antergos is better than Manjaro in your opinion?

>>57360834
in my opinion the difference is absolutely negligible. /g/ has it out for Manjaro because they fucked up their website security certificate but it's really the same shit with a couple different repositories

>>57360465
KDE Neon, AKA Kubuntu done right.

>>57360867
>Install arch
>pacman -S plasma kde-applications
Kubuntu done right

>>57360531
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQoQE_HDG8g

>>57359625
>depreciated

>>57360834
meh not really manjaro isn't what I would call an arch distro they hold back packages for a little while before pushing them out and I think Antergos is just a GUI installer but they do some weird things like not use GDM with Gnome which is required for some things to work properly

>>57360775
Most servers run on Windows Server.
>>57360801
a lot of phones run a real unix - iOS

>>57360125
I rarely ever run into problems with X. What do you all find to complain about?

>>57361224
>but they do some weird things like not use GDM with Gnome which is required for some things to work properly

This shit is retarded, lightdm is nice and all but you won't be using Wayland by default with lightdm and like you said, Gnome needs GDM for some things. I hope the devs get their heads out of their asses and leave lightdm for the the lightweight DE's. I think they use lightdm just because of cross-compatiblity.

>>57361194
auitsm

>desktop OS
what is this meme

what's the best nomos fake? can i get a link if they arent all the same?

>>57360775
Enterprise is more of a fifty-fifty. Large corporations use Windows Server. Your Raspberry Pi with public IP doesn't matter in the large scale.

>>57360775
>hurr durr Xorg
>hurr durr Wayland
>m-muh servers
Fucking retard.

wtf? i love fedora now

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>Wayland support for awesomewm
>Closed: wontfix

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>>57361235
>>57361685
> Microsoft Azure runs on linux

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>>57359814
MY SIDES WILL NEVER BE RECOVERED

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>>57360125
as long as the computer cannot be operated in daily use without a terminal there will never be a "year of desktop linux"

you also need a browser that can compete with edge and safari for the facebook machines

>>57361782
>not using sway (i3)

>>57362811
>you also need a browser that can compete with edge and safari for the facebook machines
Safari maybe, no one uses Edge, even idiots who can't into computer use Chrome because they all use Google services and Google advertises it like mad all over their sites.

>as long as the computer cannot be operated in daily use without a terminal there will never be a "year of desktop linux"
You don't /need/ to do it ever in Ubuntu or Fedora, there are auto updates and a nice GUI for that as well as an app catalogue and gui installation of snap/deb or RPM packages(depending on the distro)
>THIS is the real problem, no universal packages...

AMD GPU drivers are better than ever since the FOSS drivers are on-par with the proprietary ones and the KMS driver is foss for both - so everything 'just werks' unlike the nightmare of FGLRX and shitty dkms modules in the past.

nVidia drivers are fine for facebook and app gamers since Noveau works well like the FOSS AMD drivers, but the performance is severely lacking for vidya so gamers will need to install nVidia proprietary drivers which are a minor pain for kernel updates, but it's all automated in Ubuntu and Fedora anyway...

>>57362884
regardless of your retarded hateboner for microsoft, edge is a popular browser in the real world, for a good reason, it's lightyears ahead of the competition

its market share is mainly limited by the adoption of windows 10

>>57360522
Shit, came here to say this
>>57359725
Typical Canonical shill

>>57361074
why ranma

>>57360159
Terminal

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>>57359625

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>>57363087
Shut up fedora nigger lover

>>57363087
I like Ubuntu and canonical but Mir is dead in the water and everyone knows it. We're just waiting for the official climbdown from astronaut dude

>>57363053
... How so? In it's own right I can say FF is lightyears ahead because it has container tabs.

>>57360354
>Browser
>Terminal
>Steam
>Text editor

How iconic, basically what Linux is good for, a simple front end on a terminal to surf the web.

>>57363228
Saved. lol

>>57365161
ik this is bait but i only have browser and explorer shortcuts on my windows taskbar

winkey + {program name} is the patrician way of starting programs

>>57365174
Without Office, Adobe, CAD, Visual Studio and ERP, your OS has no productive use in our society.

>>57365197
Can you bait a little harder? Visual Studio, lol.

>>57365161
>implying your normie ass does anything superior on microshaft wangblows

Wayland is more secure, but I fail to see how it's going to determine whether or not the entire human race sees GNU/Linux as a desktop OS. I've been waiting for its arrival, though, it's about time.

>>57365197
>Visual Studio
AHAHAH You stupid nigger you don't even have XCode!

>>57359625
How many games will it break? Including those under wine, as there are just two Linux native games and one of them is Angband withh no graphics

>>57365240
there are lots of linux native games kiddo

but that is my fear, even cinnamon can't run wine explorer with full screen game captured in the desktop emulation... without glitches on x.... I have to use kde or xfce. I can't imagine using wayland will have no issues

>>57360065
>'member Upstart?

this is literally all that Canonical does.

>>57365197
https://code.visualstudio.com/Download_b?utm_expid=101350005-34.AJ9vUvoaRSGnAeC8Wd6bSw.1&utm

Linux actually does have Visual Studio though.

>>57365240
I haven't run into any problems but I am using Intel graphics.

>>57362884
>Noveau works well
Yeah, except I get a black screen if I don't use nomodeset.

>>57365240
Take your pills first.

>implying anyone wants Wayland, which only works on GNU/Linux and no other Unices since the developers are retarded

>>57359625
Wayland sounds good in theory, however

>Can I VNC to Wayland? How?
>Can I screen record in Wayland? How?
>What is the Wayland equivalent for xwininfo, xprop, etc?
>How good is Wayland support for trackpads (eg synclient equivalent)?
>Is Wayland compatible with all graphic cards (2D/3D/Video acceleration, HDMI out, etc)?

>>57359814

this is linux forever

>>57359625
> depreciated
Deprecated, you fucking mong.

Is there waylandcalc? waylandclock? waylandedit? wayland athena widgets?
If not, no fucking thanks. I'd like to have more than nothing.

>>57361235
>Most servers run on Windows Server.
Kek, keep believing that

>input processing in the compositor
Woah this its not like this is a disaster waiting to happen or anything

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>>57359625
i am counting down the seconds, my friend

Has anyone tried Wayland with the recent Nvidia proprietary drivers? I heard it should support KMS now.

>>57365884
http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-25-Hybrid-Graphics
>they are working on patches so Fedora Workstation 25 with GNOME Wayland can run on the NVIDIA proprietary driver's EGLStreams implementation over GBM.
>which means that starting from Fedora Workstation 25 you will be able to use Wayland also with NVidias binary driver.

>>57365240
I've been testing Wayland through Fedora ever since F23 on my shitty netbook and most linux native indie games surprisingly run without any kind of problems. Even the X-compatibility mode feels more robust than native X itself at times.

Welp.

I've been using XFCE for long enough that I don't wanna stop using it now. Oh well. Just when I was getting used to this.

>>57366058
Embrace the fedora. Once you install a couple of gnome-shell extensions of your liking and Fedy it becomes really

C O M F Y
O
M
F
Y

>>57360354
I think Gnome looks like shit but this is quite a lovely desktop. Wallpaper, please?

>>57366100
I don't care about comfy as much as performance. Right now Gnome is sluggish on my computer.

I don't have a toaster either, I use a 280x. It just decides to skip frames on animations from time to time.

Would it be a bad thing to just, you know, download the beta and update it? How fucked can it be this close to release?

>>57364940
try and use it, then go back to virusfox running at slideshow speeds

>>57359725
Why did Canonical even make Mir? I mean, there must be a good reason.

What will gentoo do?

Can it into wayland™ without systemd?

>>57366156
its a default gnome one , just install it already

>>57359814
Fedora crashes all the time and is unacceptable unstable. Debian is stable and reliable and far superior.

>>57367286
NIH-syndrome + needed to hack something together with elmers glue and staples for Ubuntu phone/tablet ASAP

>>57367362
>tfw you realise Canonical pissed over the whole community starting a standards war where there was none in order to rush a meme phone OS to market and set back the future of loonicks desktop for like another 5 years, if not outright killing it.

>>57365617
The answer to all of those is "no, malware could use these perfectly legitimate functions therefore exposing them is completely unacceptable (ignoring that there are a million other ways for malware running as your user to fuck you up even through Wayland's supposed protection)".

Welcome to Wayland's security theatre gentlemen, I hope you weren't planning to use your computer for anything more than web browsing and watching the occasional movie.

"Xorg is deprecated" lmfao. This is what Freedesktop shills actually believe.

>>57367344
Works on my machine.
Sorry you thought it was a good idea to buy a Mac and install Linux on it.

>>57367319
gentoo runs wayland just fine

it runs gnome without systemd just fine

>>57361258
The end user part that you see has been pretty much smoothed out, but on the inside X is a clusterfuck. It wasn't made to be a long term solution to video in Linux, it was a quick & dirty solution that barely worked. From there it just had shit tacked on haphazardly to get where we are now.

So X is like Windows 10, except the Linux community doesn't have to just bend over and take it. And since now a better solution is finally maturing enough to be useful, X is getting dropped like a bad habit.

>>57361258
the "parts of X" that "work" are the parts that bypass X almost entirely

>>57367662
but windows 10 is good, the best iteration of the longhorn core yet

>>57359814
>Debian is SJWs
Where did this meme come from? The founder called out niggers and the developers defended him.

https://www.debian.org/women/about

>>57360709
Great read, thanks

>>57367980
longhorn was abandoned, vista was based on 2003

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Been using the F25 beta for a few days. It's surprisingly solid. Might actually ditch Windows for this.

>>57368367
>watching tbbt
Kek

>>57368064
What's wrong with this?

>>57368367
Is the font rendering still shit OOTB?

there is only one way to completely get rid of X:
Redhat has to make Wayland part of systemD

>can't disable mouse acceleration

no thanks

>>57359814
Since Fedora will be replacing Bumblebee, will I be able to use proprietary driver for Nvidia Optimus soon?

>>57362884
>amdgpu works well
Yeah, except I get a black screen if I don't use nomodeset

It's actually the main reason I'm still stuck on Ubuntu 14.04. They dropped support for fglrx in 16. And installing Catalyst/fglrx on Arch is a fucking nightmare. Amdgpu needs to get its shit together or the main distros need to renew support for the proprietary drivers.

>>57368050
https://www.debian.org/contact#harassment

>>57368984
also, https://www.debian.org/women/
https://www.debian.org/intro/diversity

>>57368984
>>57369028
What's wrong with this?

>>57359638
>The world has to reboot every time there's a Windows update

Oh boy. Can you imagine a world tha actually runs on Windows? Planes would be falling out of the sky, nuclear missiles would just launch by themselves, and you'd have to run a defrag program on your fucking microwave.

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>>57363131
To build ethos one should display good, no, great taste

>>57360065
If only we could impose our views on them and force them to use gayland, then everything would be good in the world.

Or maybe this is just the beauty of free software, people can do what they like. It's better than doing nothing at all.

>>57359625
Fucking finally

>>57361074
>woman speaker
>45 minutes

fuck you

>>57361423
>depreciated

>>57368707
Please don't give them ideas.

>>57369434
>>woman speaker
watch more than 5 seconds you buffoon

Does this mean I will be able to more easily select arbitrary resolutions and refresh rates like I can with Windows? I know it can be done with Linux but it is always a pain in the butt to set up.

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>>57360775
>web servers are the only servers

>>57368367
MANDINGO

>>57365617
>Can I VNC to Wayland? How?
Up to the compositor.
>Can I screen record in Wayland? How?
Up to the compositor. (GNOME can alread do it)
>What is the Wayland equivalent for xwininfo, xprop, etc?
Up to the compositor.
>How good is Wayland support for trackpads (eg synclient equivalent)?
Up to the compositor (most will just use libinput though).
>Is Wayland compatible with all graphic cards (2D/3D/Video acceleration, HDMI out, etc)?
As long as there are drivers.

This is what I don't like about Wayland. It creates fragmentation by leaving everything up to the compositor. GNOME will have a way of doing it, KDE another.

is kde using wayland by default now?

>>57372270
nope.

I don't have any problems on my machine, so I won't switch for no reason.

>>57371731
>GNOME will have a way of doing it, KDE another.
And you just *know* it's not going to be even remotely up to scratch when compared to a dedicated solution.