Why don't Americans have earth pins? Do they just get electrocuted

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You mean grounding? Most things that consume a decent amount of electricity use grounded outlets.

/thread britfag

>>57294416
So you are fucked if you want to use a grounded plug in an ungrounded outlet?

>>57294428
No, there are adapters.

>>57294428
Ungrounded outlets are only present in shitty older homes.

>>57294428
this confirms that we, as europeans, are way smarter than the rest of the world

>>57294394
some appliances are simply safer without it, unless you like bathing with your hair dryer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appliance_classes

>>57294445
holy kek

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If only /g/ could accept British plugs should've been the global standard.

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>>57294394

>>57294539
schuko or bust

>>57294428
never seen an ungrounded outlet in my life

>>57294601
must be nice to never live in a home >50 years old

>>57294539
That literally looks like a penis, you cuck.

>>57294611
DUDE IT LOOKS LIKE A PENIS LMAO

FUCK SAFETY STANDARDS AND SUPERIOR DESIGN :DDDD

>>57294539
That looks like a cock and it's black, it's basically a black penis. Well, I don't know what else I expected from a country that has a channel literally named Big Black Cock.

>>57294628
DO NOT FIND EXCUSESES FOR YOU HOMOSEXUALITY, YOU FUCKING CUNT

WHATS THE PROBLEM WITH THE FUCKING STANDARD SCHUKO?

>>57294447
can confirm my house was built in the early 1900's and there are only ungrounded adapters. It sucks.

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>>57294568
this

>>57294539
The only thing I like about them is that they've always been grounded.

>>57294644
>house has no grounding.
>all the sockets give the appear that they do

>>57294609
Why don't you just upgrade the electrics? You can wire some ethernet ports up too in the process.

>>57294679
Just break the ground pin off and you can use it in an ungrounded socket.

>>57294661
Literally the master race of sockets

>>57294688
Most people living in "old" houses in America are poor as fuck and can't afford to have their house rewired.

>>57294661
Is this European or Russian? What's the best between those similar looking ones?

>>57294679
Is it legal to use "grounded" sockets but just not hook up the ground?

Because replacing sockets is easy.

>>57294750
Probably not if you sell the house.

>>57294394

Thank you for showing an image of a NEMA-1 plug in a failure state. One thing that people always underestimate here is the desire for things to fail gracefully. Those pins can be easily bent back into place after being torn out of the wall. And when they are ripped free of the outlet, they absorb all the energy. So you don't put any significant stress on the outlet itself.

It's like the difference between micro USB and lightning connectors. mUSB often breaks in the device at the plug because it's often just held in with solder on a PCB. While lightning is bolted to the case and has a weaker connector. This triggers /g/, but would you rather break your device or a five dollar cable?

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>>57294748

All blue countries use it.

And I think red is fully compatible.

>>57294782
They have a grounding pin in the outlet, most German-style plugs have a hole for that for compatibility.

>>57294782
Kek. Britain always not getting cucked by inferior European standards.

>>57294777
>breaking outlets

This actually happens in America?
lol

I've never broken either an outlet or a plug.
It just doesn't happen in Europe because everything is made to high safety standards.

>>57294394
European and Asian countries also have two prong plugs for some things too...

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>>57294688
Accessing the insides of wall in older buildings can be difficult. In newer buildings you just pull of the drywall, do the upgrade and throw on a new sheet of drywall, which is pretty inexpensive. Older homes used a variety of techniques to close up the walls. If it was made using something like lath and plaster, opening the wall is messy and expensive to return to its original state. Replacing it with modern drywall would make that part of the house mismatch the rest of the house. At that point you might as well gut all the interior walls and start over.

>>57294800
>german engineering
>inferior
typical britcuck

>>57294800
Why are you so angry?

Did you just step on a plug or something?

>>57294394
They also still have flat pins, which makes no sense since the time we started to be able to manufacture rounded pins just fine.

The only thing that is kinda modern is the small profile, but it's not shaped in any particularly clever way.


That said, almost every rich country has randomly introduced power at one time and then decided it was too expensive to upgrade sockets or plugs, even if much better options came up meanwhile.

>>57294394
>Do they just get electrocuted if the device is faulty?
Ever heard of something called "double insulation" you dumbass?

Not every electrical appliance needs to be grounded.

Also CEE7 compatible plugs (schuko and derivatives) are superior.


Britburkastanis use their plugs because they're so poor they cannot afford a proper electrical wiring in their houses with proper fusebox.

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>>57294822
>this is amerifat wall

>>57294849
>Not every electrical appliance needs to be grounded.

I never understood why this is.

Can someone explain?

>>57294644
>early 1900s
Pics of your home please? I always wanted to see old American houses.

>>57294852
No wonder their buildings don't even last a century.

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>>57294800
More like it's sitting on colonial age standards with some world war era copper preservation - tier wiring techniques thrown into the mix.

This is how a modern household power plug should look like. Slim and fairly minimalistic in material needs but still rugged with exact mechanical properties and as safe as it gets.

Something optimized for the possibilities and costs of modern manufacturing.

>>57294822
American wood houses I thiught were a meme.

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>>57294568
Schuko is pretty good (that's what I have) but I wouldn't mind having the UK plugs instead, I like overkill.
The only advantage of Schuko plugs (but only the German ones) is that they are reversible.

>>57294782
>>57294959
that's what I meant, red version is perhaps stronger but not reversible

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>>57294806
>This actually happens in America?

No. Because of what was mentioned, and that an outlet j-box will always be secured to a stud.

You don't just make everything as strong as possible because then the risk becomes tripping over the cable that won't release from the wall, and has become so massive and over-designed that it's cumbersome to use with mobile devices.

We also put fuses in our homes, instead of in each and every plug.

>>57294847
>They also still have flat pins

Nothing inherently wrong with that.

IMHO Italian power plugs are the best. Not huge yet not flimsy.

>>57294445
>apple in charge of american powergrid

Is there some reason why USB Type C couldn't become a standard for devices that use 100watts or less? You won't operate a microwave or vacuum cleaner with it but quite a good amount of household electric uses are at less than 100w.

>>57294868
The only purpose of grounding an electrical appliance is to provide a low-resistance safe way for electrical current to be discharged in case the insulation is damaged (so it won't electrocute you).

This was an issue in older electrical appliances such as drills which had cases made of metal alloys, if the insulation got damaged, entire case was "live".

A double-insulated device doesn't have this problem.

>>57294932
I prefer the Italian plug then, looks exactly the same but the grounding pin is centered so it can be plugged in both ways. Not really that relevant today though since we rarely have those box things on the plugs anymore.

>>57294601
I haven't seen one until I traveled to California. A pretty modern looking apartment complex was full of these ungrounded outlets. It was so weird because every residence in my area has to be brought up to code to be rentable to the next tenant.

>>57294991
>Nothing inherently wrong with that.

Flat pins bend much easier than round pins that contain an equal amount of metal.

And bend pins is a big issue in America.
Once they are bend they don't lock in properly.
When on holiday in America I've had plugs drop out randomly all the time, it's annoying.

>>57294394
We do have earth pins on most high-power devices (computers, space heaters, air conditioners, commercial equipment, etc.) Lower-power devices such as lamps, radios, electric shavers don't have them because they're not necessary for the application. The earth plugs we know first started appearing in the 1950s, with earthed outlets becoming mandatory for new construction in 1962, and GFCI's for wet locations (kitchen, bathroom, basement, etc.) being code requirement in 1975.

Also, the bent pins you show in the picture only happen on devices that are subject to frequent moving and abuse (vacuum cleaners, for example, which despite consuming thousands of watts don't have earthed plugs.)

TLDR American plugs are master race and you're faggot if you think otherwise.

>>57295048
>And bend pins is a big issue in America.
No, it isn't.

>>57295013
>Is there some reason why USB Type C couldn't become a standard for devices that use 100watts or less?
A thin stripe of metal present in a USB type C connector (any USB type to be honest) is too small to carry enough current to provide 100W of power.

>>57295035
I thought the main point of ground was to trip the fuse/circuit breaker whenever something went wrong?

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>>57295013
>Is there some reason why USB Type C couldn't become a standard for devices that use 100watts or less?

Voltage drop is pretty bad on USB cables. More than a few feet and you've have issues with power delivery.

Another option that's slowly being implemented is Power over Ethernet. You can send 25W per connection and still use a few rails to communicate with the device.

>>57294959
> The only advantage of Schuko plugs (but only the German ones) is that they are reversible.
And you know, that they don't need to have fuses and stuff like that

>>57294991
> Nothing inherently wrong with that.
Ya, it is. Power transmission capability is constrained by cross-section, so you are just wasting metal. The pins are less stable than these >>57294932 with like 1/3 to 1/2 more metal used.

It also creates more pointless friction and wear (not an utterly huge deal, but it does).

Basically, it's just something that was chosen when manufacturing rounded pins with rounded tips was quite hard and costly, but it doesn't really make much sense today.

>>57295013
Because they come out the socket too easily.

>>57295064
the main point of ground is (surprise surprise) grounding

>>57294445
So you get to use the device, but with no actual grounding.

Excellent safety there.

>>57294873
Old american homes are beautiful. Even the newer ones are, but in a different sort of way. Yuropoor houses look ugly and are built like trash.

>>57294428
Ungrounded outlets have not been allowed since like the 60s. If you do any renovation you have to ground all ungrounded outlets at least in the renovated part.

Whahahaaa... you power man gg :-)

>>57294514
>>57294428
>>57294458
>>57295085
This almost never happens
Like >>57294601 I have never seen an ungrounded outlet in my life.

>>57294822
Just use a stiff rod to shove some Romex around, it shouldn't be that hard

>>57295013
Because DC sucks over distance. That's why AC powers your home. Hell, even cars ditched DC generators in favor of 3 phase AC alternators.

>>57294750
You have to replace them with ungrounded outlets or replace them with a GFCI and explicitly mark them with little stickers that say "no equipment ground"

>>57294458
Sure you are. That's why your women are being raped by Muslim refugees as we speak.

>>57294447
Can also confirm. I once had a house from the 1940s that had aluminum (!) Wiring and there was a literal second between flicking the light switch and it turning on.

>>57295135
The GFCI comes with a bunch of those little stickers by the way so you don't have to go out and buy them.

>>57294750
Technically no, but people do it all the time. I live in a 1910 home with an addition from 1960. Only the addition, kitchen, and bathrooms have proper grounding. Everything else is either knob and tube or 50s era ungrounded romex.
>>57295135
Nobody does that. Too much of a PITA to use adapters whenever the grounded outlets are cheaper and more readily available than the two prong shit.
>>57295159
The only stickers I've seen GFCI include are ones that denote regular outlets as being on a circuit.

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>not using Brazilian Type N masterrace
kek

>>57294852
>>57294947
These are old lath and plaster walls which haven't been standard since the 1940s. After the Second World War we started using drywall. And our homes actually last longer than yours. In my town there are several homes from the 1840s that are still standing and occupied to this day.

>>57295040
> but the grounding pin is centered so it can be plugged in both ways
Even if most AC appliances don't care, that's not actually good.

Plus the Italian pin is less stable in the socket because of that linear arrangement.

>>57295193
>Brazil
>masterrace
more like monkeyrace

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>>57295063
>A thin stripe of metal present in a USB type C connector (any USB type to be honest) is too small to carry enough current to provide 100W of power

It's officially rated to carry 100W and cables are supposed to handle 3 amps.

>>57295085
>Excellent safety there.

The adapters are designed to be held on to the outlet through the plate screw, which is connected to the junction box, which is almost always going to be grounded through it's physical connection between the home's metal conduit. If the house is old enough that won't be true, but at that point you'd need to replace everything anyway.

>>57295221
Their power plug is still in all likelihood better than yours.

>>57295230
>The adapters are designed to be held on to the outlet through the plate screw
Nobody does this, they just either plug it in like any other plug or upgrade the outlet.

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>>57295097
Yup. Ugly housing.

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>>57295240
For comparison here's an American house. Not typical, but an idea of how aesthetic the turn of the century construction was.

>>57295217
>Plus the Italian pin is less stable in the socket because of that linear arrangement.
Never felt unstable in any way. The pins are slightly bent inwards, so the plug basically "grips" the socket.

>>57294539
* With mandatory/commonly available Double Pole SSOs. In Asia regions that use BS1363 most of the sockets are Single Pole, and some are just plain nasty (such as MK Avant or Legrand Mallia, they warp and flex with very little force). MK and Hager don't sell their Sollysta, Logic Plus and Metalclad Plus here, but instead sells lower quality polycarbonate stuff such as Slimline Plus and System 8000, or Metalclad "G" series using Avant modules.
The only UK made Metalclad stuff on sale is the double pole switch with LED indicator and the RCD sockets, and the DP switch cost ~$20.

>>57294661
Are these not polarized?

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Why isn't type L the standard?

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>>57294458
I live in the Netherlands and I have a bunch of ungrounded outlets in my room that are compatible with grounded plugs.
Shit doesn't make sense, but at least the outlets are nice and flat.

>>57295013
>Is there some reason why USB Type C couldn't become a standard for devices that use 100watts or less?
Yea, because USB Type C has low durability and isn't rated for 110V.

>>57294611
Yeh because when your designing a socket, your first priority is to make sure it looks nice

I've designed a minimalist socket with no holes at all, fits seamlessly into your wall. You cant plug anything into it, but the design is perfect

There really is no point in grounded outlets. In the breaker box the ground is just tied to the neutral.

>>57295278

Why isn't this keyed in some way?

>>57295315
>In the breaker box the ground is just tied to the neutral.
Where the fuck do you live where this is allowed?

>>57295315
The ground and neutral are both for different purposes but they both have to be grounded to the same potential.

Ok /g/, what's your idea for the new global standard?

>>57295324
'Murca

>>57295302
I live in Sweden, every outlet in the house except for 1 in the garage and some in the kitchen are like that. It wasn't until 1993 that all outlets had to be grounded, so pretty much only those that might be exposed to moisture are. My dad has installed a couple extra for our computers, but we'll have to remove those if we're gonna sell the house since he isn't licensed to install those.

>>57295329
NEMA 5-15.

>>57294826
>german engineering
This stereotype has been dead for a long time. I remember my grandad telling me when he was in Germany on business, the office had a room for employee's to keep their children. To stop them getting out, two sticks, not wooden planks, sticks off a tree, were nailed into the walls, like a shitty barricade.

But no, those germans know what they're doing

>>57295330
Nah, that's not legal anywhere I've lived.

>>57295328
The ground doesn't go anywhere different. If you had a 3 prong outlet you could replace it with a 2, tying the neutral and ground together. The only thing having another wire does is mean that it will take twice as much power to fry the wiring.

>>57295329
Obviously IEC. Or one of the existing derivatives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_60906-1

And -2 for the people stuck with ~100-130V 'cause we probably can't change that one now if even just plugs are such an issue...

>>57295318
Why should it be?

>>57295349
What does the ground go to? In my area, it's not so much allowed as it is code

>>57295368
Voltage isn't that relevant nowadays since pretty much everything uses an automatic switching power supply.

>>57295207
>Our homes actually last longer than yours.

Please just stop right there. Concrete and bricks is where it's at. Brick buildings can last for centuries, and you third-world cucks are still thinking drywall is still a viable option for anything serious.

>>57295374
Ground goes to grounding pole outside service entrance and ground is further tied to utility ground.

>>57295357
The grounding wire does not carry any load under normal conditions while the neutral does. If you grounded appliances through the neutral there would small amounts of electricity flowing through the chassis which people could inadvertently come into contact with which could cause injury. The grounding wire is essentially a dead short so if the live wire does come into contact with it for some reason the circuit would cut out, either because the fuse would blow or the circuit breaker would trip.

>>57295407
Do you think we don't have any brick or concrete houses?

>>57295193
This is the best plug tb.h, but I don't get why it doesn't have 2 ground on the socket

>>57295334
wtf, do you need a license to install a socket?

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italy masterrace

>>57295427
It seems to be different in other areas, but in mine there is nothing between the ground of the alliance and the neutral rail in the breaker box. It is literally interchangeable with the neutral.

>>57295438
THE real issue is that the outlets are the same for 110/220V.

>>57295443
Yea, you need to be licensed to perform residential electrical work in America, too.

>>57295013
I'm fairly convinced USB power is the future.
DC makes a lot more sense when you have solar panels and a battery pack, and pretty much all low power appliances use DC.

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>>57295217

Italyfag here.
Most Italian sockets are very reliable,especially the ones made by Bticino-
Italian plugs are really sturdy and they stick in their socket really well, especially 16A ones
.
Schuko is widely used here in Italy, most of modern houses have this kind of plug, compatible with the italian standard and the european one.
It's a Schuko socket with a center ground hole.

Ground is nice to have, but all standard domestic electric systems must obviously have magnetotermic and especially the differential protection in the main panel.

>>57295460
The electric company might be running a single conductor to your location and using the earth as a return. Are you in a sparsely populated area?

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>>57295329
I propose a corscrew double helix one.

1- button that makes the corkscrew turn in the clockwise direction.

2- usb charging for the plug motor

other 2- orthogonal cut that shows the coil motor and the two (positive/negative) channels

>>57295485
No, suburban, but not sparsely populated. Maybe cause it's a somewhat old neighborhood? But I'd think they would have upgraded something by now.

>>57295010

Underrated post.

>>57295501

It's beautiful.

>>57295510
It might be. Business is a funny thing, it just might be cheaper to take the losses instead of running a return conductor.

>>57295432
>>57295261
>>57294601
>>57295207
>>57295138
Don't even bother arguing with Europeans. They are so arrogant, they will literally cherrypick any minor sample of western culture and act like it's standard. Their pathetic complex is why they can't even stick together as union for more than a decade, because of their barbaric "us vs them" mentality that divides them and makes them hostile tribal cavemen.

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>>57295467
Yeah that's a problem, they should have had differentiate them like they did with 10/20A

>>57295460
There's not supposed to be on the first box. After the first breaker box neutral and ground are run separately. They have the same potential of "0" volts but they're not interchangeable, at least not after the first breaker box. Old ranges and dryers in America used the neutral for grounding because large appliances use 240V, they don't use 120V which requires the neutral. The only thing that may use the neutral is the electronic timers and shit like that. That stuff uses a minuscule amount of power so it's basically harmless to people

Do American really drink a beverage with every meal?

>>57295471
Technically yes, but many DIY'ers are around. Me, my dad, and my grandpa are working on rewiring my house, and none of us have electric licences.
>>57295523
Ain't it the truth, bro. I was thinking of expatting, then I saw how hostile foreigners are to Americans. I guess I'll stay where I'm at.

>>57295501
I'll patent it :^)

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>3rd worlders actually still use 50hz

>>57295471
Not to work on your own house. You can install anything in your own house you just have to bring it up to code at inspection.

>>57294849
Even local authority rented housing has been fitted with RCD breakers for all circuits for at least 15 years.

>>57295567
Do others not?

I am a legitimate electrician. The stupid in this thread is beyond belief. I thought /g/ was better then this.

>>57295475
This has already been discussed..... like 100 years ago. DC has voltage drop. Even your car, which runs on 12 volt DC uses a 3 phase alternator to supply power. The rectifier discharges half the legs to ground and the regulator pulls it down to 13.85V.

>>57295612
what's your technical thoughts about >>57295501
?

>>57295612
It's just yurocucks making up facts about American homes/electrical systems and getting mad whenever proper Americans drop a truth bomb on them.

>>57295568
You will probably fail an inspection.
>>57295582
Most areas require a licensed electrician to do electrical work. Most being anywhere that isn't backwoods. You can get away with not doing it, but you'll get in some serious shit if you sell a house that wasn't wired up to code by someone who knows what they're doing.

>>57295633
Modern wiring by professional sons, fathers, and grandfathers is still better than 105-year-old wiring done by professional electricians.

Type L socket/plug with longer grounding pin like in the britbong one.
Slim, light, aesthetic, safe to use.

>>57295622
>Even your car, which runs on 12 volt DC uses a 3 phase alternator to supply power. The rectifier discharges half the legs to ground and the regulator pulls it down to 13.85V.
Cars use alternators because they are more efficient, not because of transmission losses. The rectifier doesn't 'discharge half the legs to ground', where the fuck did you learn what a rectifier does? Alternators are regulated to 14.5V, the float charging voltage for a 12V automotive system.

>>57295121
>This almost never happens
>I have never seen an ungrounded outlet in my life.

Grounding outlets is required now but there are old building without it are grandfathered in.

>>57295654
Sure, but that's not what's legally required in most areas and you literally said you were not professionals.

>>57295622
DC is shit over large distances.
I'm talking just inside your home.

>>57294394
This shit is always guaranteed replies

>>57295347
Wow nice example that clearly disproves Germany's long standing as an industrial engineering pioneer.
You and your grand dad are envious contrarian faggots

>>57295739
German companies have a huge problem with overengineering (no, this is not a good thing). They don't lead anything other than maybe coming up with some concepts.

>>57295318
The plug doesn't care which way you put it in.

>>57295775
So does it do polarizing in the plug or something?

Or do foreigncucks not have this basic safety feature?

>>57295663
Oh wow. Where did (you) learn anything about cars? ASE cert here. Not even gonna argue with you.

>>57295373
Fuses, you know those things britfags are always yammering on about.

>>57295798
>dumb mechanic
Wow, I'm shocked.

>>57295782
It's not polarized.
Our safety feature is plastic covering over the live/neutral pins.
How is polarization important?

>>57295774
>German companies have a huge problem with overengineering
Still the best cars out there. Never gonna trust a car from anywhere else like US or god forbid British trash that falls apart every week.

>>57295782
We don't have that safety feature.

I don't think it ever causes harm in the real world though.

>>57295857
It doesn't cause harm. Been plugging unpolarised shit in backwards all my life, never once had a problem.

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>>57295837
>I'm shocked.

>>57295774
>German companies have a huge problem with overengineering

That's the French.

Germans tend to keep things simple.

>>57295843
>>57295857
http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/direct-current/chpt-3/safe-circuit-design/

>>57294394
who cares

why do people talk about americans so much

>>57295881
America is #1

>>57295854
There are some good cars from Germany, but it's silly to generalize. Certainly most stuff is very overengineered. See the placement of the timing chain in 4.2L V8 Audis or those newer M5s that supposedly don't have a thermostat (though that is basically hearsay on my part).
>>57295870
No, it's the German manufacturers. I've never even seen a modern French car in American.

>>57295881
Because we Americans are fat (McDonald's), lazy (automatic transmissions), outdated (magnetic stripe credit cards), and different (our own spechiul snowflek measurement system).

>>57295918
don't forget 110V

>>57295918
>(our own spechiul snowflek measurement system).
We that to the britfags who have their own strange customs, like measuring weight with rocks and driving on the wrong side of the road.

>>57295933
But some developed, non-fat, normal nations such as Canada and Japan also use 110V. (Japan actually uses 100V but the plugs are the same and it's within American spec.)

>>57295918
Then fuck off to Europe, apologist faggot.

>>57295951
We owe that*

>>57295097
You mean substance over style? Those houses remain for literally hundreds of years. Unlike Murka where you need to rebuilt with wood (fuck me get into the 21st century) when the winds slightly strong

>>57295955
No. Yuropooria is expensive and hostile to foreigners. También, yo solamente sé español, so my options for expatting are limited unless yo aprendo otro idioma.

>>57295972
Go to South America or something, I don't care. If you want to be European so bad, fuck off.

>>57295951
>>57295962
Yeah but at least they recovered and they use regular measurements now. They still drive on the wrong side of the road, as do all their former colonies except US, Canada, and Myanmar.

>>57295954
>Canada
makes sense being the neighbor and all
>Japan
bombed into submission by yanks

>>57294800
>Kek. Britain always not getting cucked by inferior European standards.

And yet the pound sterling dropped 1/4th of its value after brexit.

>>57295276
It's AC, it doesn't matter.

>>57295913
>I've never even seen a modern French car in American.

Because they all break due to being horribly over-engineered before they make it across the ocean.

I think you're confusing putting a large amount of engineering into a design with "over engineering".
Germans will typically put a lot of effort into SIMPLIFYING the design.
French will typically put a lot of effort into adding extra features and finding complex solutions.

The French also tend to plan everything in minute detail before starting the initial build.
Whereas the Germans have a more build and refine approach.

>>57294539
Ground is really must have in electrical devices. Read rules operating electrical machines.

>>57295871
We're not this level of dum
Case 1: we have an AC-powered appliance. The development is retard-proof on almost every device, and if it fails to do so it won't be sold
Case 2: we just convert it to DC and forget about it, as DC works differently than AC.
Either way, we have two safety devices employed in every house: the Residual-Current device and the Thermal magnetic circuit breaker, two devices which cut the current every time the returning current is different than the entering one.
The latter is placed in the switchbox, while the former are placed around a facility to cut current to avoid losing power to the whole building.

I like the OH NO expression on the US sockets.
It is like the sockets are shocked that a country that large and supposedly modern clings to outdated technologies as if it is the best system in the world.

>>57296048
>We're not this level of dum
Ok. I don't see how this basic safety device is dumb, but I'll let you keep your illusion of superiority.

>>57296062
As long as manufacturers treat "live" and "neutral" as being the same (ie: potentially live) there should be no safety issues.

If a manufacturer assumes "neutral" can't become live and does something retarded like hook it up to the outer casing then yet, it would be a problem.
But such devices would be illegal in the EU.

In short: just think of it as having two lives and no neutral.

>>57296125
>As long as manufacturers treat "live" and "neutral" as being the same (ie: potentially live) there should be no safety issues.
And how do you accomplish this in something like a toaster, hair dryer, space heater, etc?

>>57296017
>Whereas the Germans have a more build and refine approach.

My uncle (German) just bought a new car for like 40k and he literally drools over the fact that it turns on its lights automatically when you unlock it with the key, but didn't bother putting in an extra 2k for an automatic transmission that would make everyday driving so much easier and efficient

German car manufacturers have like a trillion options you can put in (at least in Germany), whereas in America I've only seen like 5-10 packages and that's it.

You can buy a brand new German car for 20k and drive it out of the dealership without bluetooth for your phone, without satnav, without an Automatic transmission, without cupholders, without a backup camera, ...

You can avoid that by purchasing your car intelligently (even from German manufacturers), but I'm afraid what will happen with the more and more leftist movements in politics and their anti-car mentality

>>57296146
This idiot makes a point, BMW, Mercedes, and Porsche really love to nickel and dime you.

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>>57296146
>automatic
>uses more fuel
>efficient

Erm.... Not quite champ

>>57296133
The same way you would accomplish it anywhere else? Just don't connect either live wire to anything you could touch.

I'm not sure I understand the problem?

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>>57296146
That's just the result of marketing, not engineering.

And doesn't the fact everything is an "extra" show Germans prefer simplicity?

>>57296236
So you have to engineer switches to disconnect both conductors instead of just the 1?

>>57296229
Automatic transmissions often post superior fuel economy numbers.

>>57296269
TADA!!!!!!!!

wow, that was hard.

>>57295654
If your house is inspected and they see that the work you have done on your house is undocumented, they can force you to pay for a licensed electrician to check all your work.

I am an electrician, which means I know how to do all the stuff, but I don't have the license to do it.
So when I did the wiring on my parents house, I basically did everything myself, except the fusebox. It had to be moved anyway, so I just ordered an electrician to do the fusebox, test the installation and most importantly: sign that the installation was tested.

That way, I spent $600 on a fusebox I would have spent $300 on otherwise, but the entire installation is legal.

>>57296269
No. Why would you? No current will flow if you disconnect one end.

The power switch is not a safety feature. It's a turn-off feature. The safety is guaranteed by the passive design that doesn't let you touch live conductors, whether the device is on or off.

>>57294822
house literally made out of toothpick and paper.
this is why fermi was a meme.

>>57295622
Couldn't you use standard household ac to distribute electricity through the home and have a transformer in each room that the usb outlets connect to? A transformer sized to a room's usage would be more efficient than dozens of wall warts and/or internal transformers, right? A housewide transformer might require too much wire but room sized ones seem like a good balance over the current per device system we use.

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>>57294394
>>57294539
>>57294800
>>57294959

Fucking Britcucks. It wasn't until the late 90's that you even had a plug standard. Up until then it was common for your appliances to come without a plug at all, and just bare wire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_wiring_in_the_United_Kingdom#Supply_voltage

The USA has had NEMA 5-15R sockets since the 1960s. That's over 40 years before Britcucks could come up with a standard. As always and with everything, they lag years behind the US in technology, and when they finally catch up, they implement the slightest of improvements.

Pic related. What Britcuck appliance wires looked like until the late 1990's

>>57296570
>Couldn't you use standard household ac to distribute electricity through the home and have a transformer in each room that the usb outlets connect to?
No. You would have to have a transformer in each socket. Because transporting 5 volt through 20 meters of in-wall cabling causes too much of a voltage drop.

Of course, having a transformer in each socket is not much better than forests of wall warts, efficiency-wise. From an aesthetical or usability point of view, it may still be an improvement.

UK plugs seem designed to impregnate pure rage into the soles of your feet.

>>57296579
Every single male over the age of 12 should know how to wire a plug. Only retards would complain about this.

And if you want to talk about outdated technology, there are still a large number of Americans who shit in septic tanks.

>>57295568
It's not that you are not able to do it, you are not allowed to do it, it's for safety, lets say some electrician comes and doodles and some jackass fucked everything and fried the electrician.

>>57296703
Eh, the electrician will presume as a basic safety measure that the previous guy was a retard and everything is trying to kill him. The safety aspects of building codes are more about things like house fires than the safety of electricians.

>>57296667
>Only retards would complain about this.
Not complaining. Just pointing out that Britcucks lagged decades behind Americans.

>still a large number of Americans who shit in septic tanks.
Dude what? Septic tanks are pretty standard worldwide. Not everywhere is a filthy crowded city. The homes I grew up in had septic tanks, and these are million dollar custom homes on over an acre of property.

>>57296614
Are most residential rooms large enough to have outlets 20 meters from a central point for that room?

>>57296667
What's wrong with a septic tank? Should people who aren't clustered in a city just shit on the side of the road?

>>57294394
>Do they just get electrocuted if the device is faulty?
No. Ground fault outlets will still interrupt current even if the ground isn't being used. If there's a current mismatch on hot and neutral, it trips.

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>>57294394
our electricity is first world quality and does not kill you, unlike the colonial kind you put in India

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>>57294416
Wait, i thought all the US plugs are grounded like the one on the right... Maybe the ungrounded ones are just old? There are ungrounded schuko plugs too but the only ones ive seen are from before the 80s...

>>57296770
The room I'm currently in, in a tiny one-family working-class home, has at least 8 meters of wiring between central point and my nearest power socket. The vertical stretches add up. I can easily see it reaching 20 meters in a slightly more expensive middle class home's living room, or something.

>>57296825
>Wait, i thought all the US plugs are grounded like the one on the right...
they are now. Code in some place even mandates GFCI outlets with arc interrupt breakers in the service panel.

>>57296825
The ungrounded ones are old. All sockets installed since the 60s are grounded, but not all appliances are grounded or polarized.

>>57296579
>It wasn't until the late 90's that you even had a plug standard.
The current standard was created in the late 1940s, and has been in use since that time. The previous standard using round pins was created before the first world war, and the only place I've ever seen it was in a Victorian town house that also had gas lighting fixtures.

>>57296798
That's how they do it in his home country.

>>57294991
>We also put fuses in our homes, instead of in each and every plug.
we have them in fuseboxes and in the plug.

all this arguing about plugs and no dragon dildos

>>57296667
>scousers wiring plugs
sounds like a theme for a sitcom

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if it's good enough for the chinks it's good enough for the aussies i say

>>57297124
Chinese would probably use bare wires if they could get away with it.

>>57295854
>British trash that falls apart every week.
can confirm, did apprenticeship at nissan factory in england

>>57297124
American wants to kill itself
Denmark is so happy
Israel looks like an alien

Switzerland is god tier for space usage

>>57295622
>>57295700
>DC is shit over large distances.
no, losses due to distance are actually less than for AC.
https://www.quora.com/When-and-why-is-DC-used-instead-of-AC-for-long-distance-electric-power-lines/answer/Charlotte-Lang

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>>57297124
>India
>"Small"
>South Africa
>"Large"

>>57297184
>losses due to distance are actually less than for AC

Congratulations, you've posted the wrongest thing in this thread.

>>57296146
>My uncle (German) just bought a new car for like 40k and he literally drools over the fact that it turns on its lights automatically when you unlock it with the key, but didn't bother putting in an extra 2k for an automatic transmission that would make everyday driving so much easier and efficient
>German car manufacturers have like a trillion options you can put in
Welcome to Consumerism, we're rich and cars matter a lot to us

>>57294458

Every board needs flags.

>>57296740
>The homes I grew up in had septic tanks, and these are million dollar custom homes on over an acre of property.

Richie rich here with his Texas mcmansions

>>57297222
I think Mikael and Loring are more qualified than you.

Grounded outlets are standard. Modern american/euro made electronics have grounded pins.

Only cheap chink shit is still made ungrounded for some reason

>>57295471
if you do everything right nobody will ever be able to tell/give a fuck.

The law is there for cletus, not johnathan esquire vomsmugenstein PhD. The law is made to protect the weak and stupid from themselves and the rest of us from the weak and stupid. If you are not the weak and stupid, you will normally be fine because the purpose of the law (to ensure that work is done competently) has already been met.

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>>57297222
>DC does not suffer from the skin effect- a characteristic of AC that causes more current in the conductor to flow along its periphery than along its core.This increases the effective resistance of the conductor, increasing the line losses and requiring you to use thicker conductors (copper is expensive).
>DC lines can carry more current per conductor. The power delivered through AC lines is determined the RMS (root mean square) of the peak line voltage. The peak line voltage is about 41% greater than the RMS voltage, while the power delivered through DC lines is determined by the peak voltage itself (which is constant).
you tell me m8
AC is much more common because it's significantly cheaper, but HVDC is certainly a thing, especially for long distances.
pic related: >This 150 kV 1800A mercury-arc valve converted AC hydropower voltage for transmission to distant cities from Manitoba Hydro generators.

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>>57295085
The little tab on the bottom is supposed to be connected to a grounded line.

No one really gives a shit.

>>57294394
Neural connects to ground at the breaker. Only idiots not using common sense shock themselves or allow their fuck ups to shock others.

>>57297293
>Modern american/euro made electronics have grounded pins.
you should leave your basement some time

>>57297250
>>57297356

http://www.theenergycollective.com/roger_rethinker/204396/ac-versus-dc-powerlines

>Today, electronic DC/DC voltage transformers are found on every computer motherboard, and can be built for high voltage, high power conversion as well…but these devices are a lot more expensive at present than conventional transformers. However, being electronic devices, these DC/DC transformers have been on a steeply declining cost curve for some time now, and it is probable that they will in the future reach cost parity with conventional AC/AC transformers. This could mean we will have a DC grid in 100 years or so, but don’t hold your breath. Meanwhile DC circuit breakers are also a huge problem, especially at high power levels above one megawatt (MW).
>This could mean we will have a DC grid in 100 years or so, but don’t hold your breath.

So it's possible, but won't see widespread use in the next century because it's so expensive. Good to know that it's theoretically better. But not very helpful.

>>57294428
You can't sell a house with ungrounded outlets in current year. GFCI outlets are also required in kitchens, bathrooms, and anywhere near water.

>>57297356
>>DC does not suffer from the skin effect- a characteristic of AC that causes more current in the conductor to flow along its periphery than along its core.
Irrelevant at 60Hz. Skin effect makes a difference in the MHz range.
Try again.

>>57297184
You're quoting from a Quora article written by... an amateur pianist. It's there at the bottom. Along with her other Quora answers that religious rants about Gays destroying her Religious Freedums.

>>57295612
Me too. Watching the idiots above argue that earth ground isn't connected to neutral in the main panel made me want to cry.

>>57297742
(to be fair, she's defending the gays but whatever. I don't think she and her upvoters are smarter than Tesla)

>>57297682
You can with a Full Disclosure agreement.

>>57295276
>electrically illiterate: the post

>>57295207
Fucking kek ameribro, my family's countryside house that was built in the 1600s and still hasn't lost a single stone to this day after suffering from a 7.5 magnitude earthquake in 1755 says hi.

>>57296016
>>57297809

As an electrician I cringe when morons like you two say, "ITS AC HURR DURR, IT DOESN'T MATTER HURRRR"

http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?t=828563

>>57297840
Too bad, in yurop we have no polarization.
We enjoy plugging things backwards and getting away with it.

>>57297840
>Americans are so retarded they needed to make one of the slots bigger to tell them which ones not to stick a fork into

>>57297742
>>57297554
>>57297705
DC for transferring large amounts of power over long distances is a thing, for the aforementioned reasons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-voltage_direct_current
http://new.abb.com/systems/hvdc
http://www.cleanlineenergy.com/technology/hvdc/how
>>57297763
>i don't think she and her upvoters are smarter than Tesla
That's a silly thing to say, things have changed massively since tesla. The massive amounts of power transferred by HVDC nowadays simply didn't exist back then.
>Some of these advantages[of AC] are no longer applicable (e.g., technology has advanced to allow efficient conversion from AC to DC), and DC transmission is the preferred solution for moving large amounts of renewable power over long distances.

>>57297964
>>57297936

It just means all your appliances are built slightly different or double insulated because of the higher case shock hazard.

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>>57294822
Are you telling that you DON'T put the wires in tubes? What if the wire becomes faulty?

>>57298729
that's some terrible wiring

>>57296003
The Pound was actually extremely overvalued anyway.

>>57298729
nice principle, but whoever did that job should be ashamed of their work.

>>57298882
>>57298950
>bad work

Why? I see nothing wrong with it.
The reason of the curves is that it wouldn't be hard replacing the wires/cable inside if needed.

Imagine a long stretch with a 90 degree bend on it. It would be impossible to replace.

>>57298729
what kind of studwork is that? In USA and canada it's required that they're 16" apart..?

>>57299014
Why would you need to replace them?

>>57299064
If you for instance wanted to change some functionality with the electrical installasion where you needed more wires. After some decades the wire insulation may become porous and crack.

>>57299049
It's 60cm (23,6 inch) apart and you can see it if you look closely (behind the plastic). The studwork you see 'open' is extra for the electrical to not break the plastic.

>>57296280
And more often it drinks one liter per 100 km more than a sane person driving.

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>>57295854
>German
>the best cars

>>57297241
>Richie rich here with his Texas mcmansions
Nah brah, California

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>>57295318
An Italian maker came up with pic related. IMHO a really nice idea, bit i don't know why it didn't take off.

>>57299592
hey man, they're the people's car.

>>57294394
You gain an immunity to higher voltages by regularly electrocuting yourself at lower voltages.

>>57294428
I've never even seen an ungrounded outlet.

>>57299941
Isnt electrocution the term specific to lethal shocks?

>>57294428
Canada here, sitting in my living room and there are ungrounded sockets right next to me, in fact my laptop is plugged into one

>>57300043
your laptop isn't grounded by the charger anyway

>>57294458
No, it's because you're so far behind the US that by the time you adopt things better standards are available because no one in your various countries actually invent anything in the first place. The US does. Ungrounded outlets are not a thing in the US for any home built in the last 50 years.

>>57300043
r.i.p

>>57300000test
The GFCI plug in my bathroom actually kicks the plug out of the wall when the button pops out.
>popped when a lightbulb burned out on the same circut, and kicked the waterpik plugin out of the wall.

>>57300415
Are you saying that you don't have GFCI for the entire house?

>>57300488
It's not really worth it to install GFCI on every single outlet, it's usually only on ones by water sources.

>>57300536
Aren't the circuit-breakers implemented with GFCI's? Thus every outlet will be protected.

>>57300595
It's not required, and most circuits in non-hazardous locations won't have them.

It's mainly cost. A 20A standard circut breaker will cost around $6, while a GFCI one is upwards on $30.

>>57294428
i've never seen an ungrounded outlet, must be really old

>>57300654
There aren't that many circuit breakers in houses and paying $30 for each one for added safety isn't such a bad idea.

>>57295123
Low voltage sucks for long distance. DC is actually superior if you're willing to pay for it.

>>57300732
You're free to replace them with GFCI ones if you'd like. That's the cool thing about the US, you're not forced to spend the money if you don't want to.

My house has 19 circuits. To drop $32 on every breaker would be over $600. I don't stick my hands in outlets, so I'm not going to spend the money to replace them.
If I have kids, I might since they don't know better.

>>57295460
There's a sensing circuit on the earth circuit that's made to cut power in the event of current flowing through earth.

>>57294394
You're thinking of Japan

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>>57294394
>MADE IN USA
>faulty
>ever

>eurofags shilling xbox hueg plugs
please

>>57300863
getting one for every circuit is stupid. get few, cover many

>>57295193

>Being proud of this piece of shit that was introduced for no reason when we already used the american standard

Fuck you

>>57301173
>get few, cover many
That's why the outlets near water sources are GFCI protected. It mitigates most of the risk, at a fraction of the cost.

>>57294394
\o\

>>57294394
Japs use the same plugs

In fact they only use the ungrounded type

Not sure how desktop computers work there

Anyway fuck you

>>57294394
We do

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>>57301389
>Not sure how desktop computers work there
They have ground screws and either use three-prong connectors with >>57297365 or two prong connectors with a separate ground wire.
Occasionally you'll find a socket with three prongs like pic related..

>>57294777
this. I've had super old cables get bent, and you can just bend it back with your hands. If my pins get bent, I would bend them in slightly towards each other, then when I plug it back in it straightens out all the way. it is way harder to bend round pins, so yeah they are less likely to bend in the first place, but if someone knocks against it it will pull on the socket and break it.

>>57295064
no, ground is just so YOU don't get zapped and excess electrons are free to leave and not shock you.

a fuse or circuit breaker is designed to 'blow' when too much current goes through it, whihc prevents damage to the rest of the circuiit. then you can just replace the fuse instead of the whole circuit.

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>>57302547
Japanese retardation with electricity never fails to astonish me.

Did you know that half the country runs on 50Hz and the other 60Hz? And they have a large substation whose only purpose is to convert AC to DC, then, like a giant car inverter, convert it back into AC at a different frequency to supply power to the rest of the country.

>>57295064
There may be a type of RCD installed that detects if power takes a different path (e.g. through your body into the ground) than the expected "in" through one line and "out" through the other.

These can trip if power goes "out" through ground, rather than neutral, like with US GFCI.

>>57302958
>And they have a large substation whose only purpose is to convert AC to DC, then, like a giant car inverter, convert it back into AC at a different frequency to supply power to the rest of the country.
that seems to be how you link up networks running at different frequencies.

>>57303005
Hah, considering how it is touching the metal railing, it would probably work as a ground.

>>57303084
The rail is painted, I wouldn't rely on it.

>>57295238

>The adapters are designed to be held on to the outlet through the plate screw

I hope you realize the screw is grounded....

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>>57294416
>Most things that consume a decent amount of electricity use grounded outlets.

Then why do vacuum manufacturers (American ones, at least) still use ungrounded plugs?

>>57298451
if a device has coductive case parts, it has to be grounded - except for low-voltage (<24V, typically DC) stuff.

>>57301248
we use one GFCI to cover multiple circuits (incoming line goes through GFCI and then splits up into separate fused circuits), you should be able to do that, or am i missing something? 2 phase 240V can't be that much different to 3 phase 380V.

>>57302639
>replace the fuse
you mean switching it back on, right? we've had switching circuit breakers since at least three decades...

>>57303175
All plastic exterior. There's nothing there that could be energized that the end user could come in contact with. Stuff that is double insulated is allowed to leave out the ground.

PRO TIP

Grounding doesn't mean anything on a device which has no exposed metal that can electrocute you.

You want to know why?

The neutral wire and ground wire are literally the same thing. They go to the same place in your breaker box. It's connected to the ground from the transformer which also goes physically into the ground near your box.

Now if you have a metal device, sure, the third prong is nice in case the hot wire ever touches the case. I'd say even lamps should have them, which most don't. Other than that, fuck it.

>>57303211
>The neutral wire and ground wire are literally the same thing.
Completely incorrect.

They do go to the same place yes but they serve completely different purposes and are not interchangeable. Switching a neutral wire for a grounding wire could cause a potentially fatal injury.

>>57303064
You're missing the point in that it's fucked up to have different frequencies on the same grid.

>>57303237
They serve different purposes in order to keep the circuit path on the inside and an extra layer of security on the outside, but are still literally the same and can technically be swapped (but I wouldn't due to how they're run through the molex).

>>57303266
yeah, i got that, it just sounded like you were making fun of how they convert it as well(not just that they're converting at all)

>>57303277

That should be a plastic pipe to really seal the deal.

Jesus.

>>57303274
The grounding wire is not designed to carry a load, if you use it in place of the neutral it can energize everything that is supposed to be grounded and could cause injury. Just because you can do something doesn't mean that it makes sense to do so. It's not helpful in any situation to switch the ground and neutral, they don't serve the same purpose.

>>57303211
>The neutral wire and ground wire are literally the same thing.

This is false and dangerous to believe.

"Neutral" can be as high as 40 volts above actual Ground.

>this bad understanding of Grounding

Hoo boy, I bet you must have fun with disconnecting a CRT from a flyback xfmr and picking it up.

"OWW!!!! GODDAMNIT!!!!" *drop* *crash*

Everyone points and laughs at you.

>>57303277
>plastic pipe
>wood

>>57303191
>Accidentally trip GFCI
>Entire house shuts off

Plus to run your entire house off the GFCI, the current comparison has to allow for a much higher margin of error, making it less safe and effective.

Most houses in the US use 230V 2 phase, split at the panel into 115v single phase. Commercial applications use 240V three phase, or 480V.

>>57303374

It's not plastic. That's copper.

The problem is that he didn't strip the wire before putting it through and screwing it in.

That's assuming it's a cold-water pipe in the first place.

>>57303391
still better than having no GFCI for 90% of your circuits. the last time my GFCI triggered (not counting the intentional activation for the yearly check) was around twelve years ago. in that rare case, i rather have my whole house shut off than me shut off.

>>57303476
It's safer to have a GFCI outlet in each room. It lowers the amount of maximum allowable fault current to its minimum and the trigger time can be lower as well.

>>57303517

Not him.

>gfci in each room

You don't need GFCI in each room. You just need it within arm's reach of a water source, whatever the building code specifies. The risk of shock in your bedroom is minuscule - you don't have a water source, unless you are one of those rich faggots with a shower in the bedroom. The risk of shock at the kitchen sink and the bathroom sink (or shorting out the hair-dryer, which has no ground) is much, much higher.

GFCI in every room isn't any safer than following the building code, and it doesn't score points with the building inspector, either.

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>>57295013
Because there's already a standard for low power appliances.

>>57303517
>It's safer to have a GFCI outlet in each room.
sure. i'm just saying that having a central GFCI is better than having no GFCI for most of your wiring.

i.e. this:
>>57300863
>My house has 19 circuits. To drop $32 on every breaker would be over $600
central (cheap) GFCI for basic protection plus whatever you already have installed near water sources.

otoh it's the us, land of the free, so feel free to get toasted by some faulty power tool.

>>57295475
Solar is never going to be used as the backbone of a large nation, so that's not really a problem for anybody but remote locations.

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>>57295854
>German cars are the best
At draining your wallet and having electrical issues, maybe.

>>57303674
>having electrical issues, maybe.

This man has never dealt with the Lord of Darkness - Lucas Electric.

>>57295123
DC doesn't have losses due to the skin effect, it's actually more efficient to transfer over long distances at high voltages, everything high school taught you about electricity is wrong.

>>57303699

Follow-up

this is a list of just a few lucas electric jokes for fun.


The Lucas motto: "Get home before dark."

Lucas denies having invented darkness. But they still claim "sudden, unexpected darkness"

Lucas--inventor of the first intermittent wiper.

Lucas--inventor of the self-dimming headlamp.

The three-position Lucas switch--DIM, FLICKER and OFF.

The other three switch settings--SMOKE, SMOLDER and IGNITE.

Lucas dip-switch positions: LOW and BLOW (Bruce Miller, www.hermit.cc)

The original anti-theft devices--Lucas Electric products.

"I've had a Lucas pacemaker for years and have never experienced any prob...

If Lucas made guns, wars would not start either.

Did you hear about the Lucas powered torpedo? It sank.

It's not true that Lucas, in 1947, tried to get Parliament to repeal Ohm's Law. They withdrew their efforts when they met too much resistance.

Did you hear the one about the guy that peeked into a Land Rover and asked the owner "How can you tell one switch from another at night, since they all look the same?" "He replied, it doesn't matter which one you use, nothing happens!"

Back in the '70s Lucas decided to diversify its product line and began manufacturing vacuum cleaners. It was the only product they offered which didn't suck.

Why do the English drink warm beer? Lucas made the refrigerators, too.

Alexander Graham Bell invented the Telephone. Thomas Edison invented the Light Bulb. Joseph Lucas invented the Short Circuit.

Recommended procedure before taking on a repair of Lucas equipment: check the position of the stars, kill a chicken and walk three times sunwise around your car chanting: "Oh mighty Prince of Darkness protect your unworthy servant."

Lucas systems actually uses AC current; it just has a random frequency.

How to make AIDS disappear? Give it a Lucas parts number.

Lucas is an acronym for Loose Unsoldered Connections and Splices.

>>57303175
Because if you run out of cord, it's easier for the plug to come out instead of ruining the cord. Same reason why they use a folded soft metal instead of solid prongs. They're designed to come out of sockets easily and without damage, and be easy to bend back into shape without using tools.

>>57303732
thanks anon, this was great

>>57294947
>American wood houses
That would be referring to the newer houses with brick veneer. That guy's pic is just concerning an interior wall, but older houses are in fact more solid since they are proper brickhouses.

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>>57294539
>british plugs
while I never had the misfortune of actually stepping on one, I think I'd rather not give a burglar a reason to sue me.

>>57295048
probably because you used shitty Chinese power plug adapters. They look like NEMA plugs and do fit US stuff, but they are aren't made properly, they are slightly thinner (and thus things fall out of them and they fall out of american sockets)

>>57295881
Because we're relevant and everyone else is not.

>>57303654
>get toasted by some faulty power tool
Power tools are grounded, and electricity will always flow through the copper ground before it flows though me.

I'm not saying GFCI breakers are useless, it's just a negligible increase in safety to equip your whole house with them, and it definitely shouldn't be required.