http://arstechnica.com/apple/2016/1 0/macos-10-12-1-spills-t

>>57235970
if the whole magic bar has the taptic engine thing then it would be fine. it feels better than a physical button press.

That looks neat.

>no escape key
VIM USERS ON SUICIDE WATCH!

>>57235970
>Magic Toolbar
The fuck is this? Are we still in the 90s?

>no escape key
What the fuck.

>>57235970
Thinkpad X1 Carbon 2014

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>>57236089
i expect Apple to execute this much better though.

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>>57235970
>professional flagship laptop
>no Esc, function keys or nav cluster

>>57236102
>that layout
fuck everything

>>57236103
It's fucking incredibly sexy, I know.

>>57236046
>he doesn't bind caps lock as ESC


WEW LAD

>>57236102
apple probably wont have esc/home/end/pgup/pgdn keys

>>57236086
>>57236086
>>57236086

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>>57236125
Anyone that worked on Sun hardware knows capslock becomes control.

>>57236114
only bad thing about that layout is fuckhueg shift keys, they could have added at least 2 more keys by making them smaller

Can anyone really confirm this? they gloss over the whole source part. Was it really in the update data?

Apple - You can't escape.

>>57236147
CAPSLOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL

>>57235970
I already told you guys from the beginning, XPS 13 wins.

>>57236153
>>57236102
>no menu key
>no capslock
>that ` key placement
>THAT FUCKING DEL KEY

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""""FLAGSHIP""""
TOY
COMPUTER

>>57236128
since the magic toolbar looks customizable, it probably can be added in if needed.

>>57236542
>having to customize your keyboard for an ESC key
>implying you wouldn't have to jailbreak it first

>>57236542
>oops i missed the esc key

fuck you

Those keycaps look concave

>>57236194
>no menu key
its on the top part of fn keys

>no capslock
thats a problem how?

>that ` key placement
hurr durr change

>THAT FUCKING DEL KEY
why does it trigger you?

>>57235970
Cancel not in the same place as Esc - what a shitty UI design.

>>57236597
hey, what if they're going to introduce keyboard-DLC,
like shortcuts.

cmd-q is 0.99 per month, etc. without the DLC, the shortcuts won't be registered.

$$$

>>57236661
>its on the top part of fn keys
No tactile -> no key
>thats a problem how?
Yes. It does have its uses, just not with arguing on the internet.
>hurr durr change
hurr durr why does this program make me reach to the entirely other side of the keyboard now
>why does it trigger you?
Oh, I want to hit backspace a bunch while not looking
Oh wait, now the other half of the line is gone

You don't change things that don't need changing. It's stupid to think that this adds anything other than pointless confusion.

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Is it going to have the same keyboard as the new Macbook?

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>buy Applel
>literally no escape

>>57236717
Yep, only with LESS KEYS

>can't Esc from apple's ecosystem
It's like pottery.

As long as I can run 20 instances of Serum VST without any under runs or CPU throttling in Logic Pro, I'm fine with it.

>>57236717
unknown.
it's a thinner chassis, so keyboard will be different than prev rmbp.

they've put the keyboard from the 12" macbooks on the macbook pro

literally why?

it's a terrible keyboard and will put many off buying it

>>57235970
so where exactly is this image in macOS 10.12.1?

>>57236804
efficiency in manufacturing means lower costs of production and higher profits, who cares about the costumer when you're swimming in money.

>>57236709
>No tactile -> no key
nice goalpost velocity

>Yes. It does have its uses, just not with arguing on the internet.
>"THAT FUCKING DEL KEY"
irony

>hurr durr why does this program make me reach to the entirely other side of the keyboard now
what program requires you to use ` key and why dont you use your other hand instead of reaching over

>Oh, I want to hit backspace a bunch while not looking
>Oh wait, now the other half of the line is gone
show me 1 laptop keyboard where backspace and del keys are further apart, they are always next to each other yet people manage just fine you can also ctrl+z until you get used to it

>You don't change things that don't need changing. It's stupid to think that this adds anything other than pointless confusion.
It adds home/end/pgup/pgdn keys which are infinitely more useful than caps lock and `

>>57236842
well I was holding off for this or the kaby lake xps next year probably gonna be the latter now

>>57236845
>nice goalpost velocity
we're arguing about keyboard layout, why the fuck would that make the lack of a key not within the goalposts?
>what program requires you to use ` key
like every program with a builtin console?
>show me 1 laptop keyboard where backspace and del keys are further apart,
talk about goalpost moving
they're on the same fucking row, show me one other keyboard that does that.
>It adds home/end/pgup/pgdn keys
Fuck no it doesn't. They took them away just to give them back.

>>57236857
im not loyal to any brand or models, and being a poorfag i have to ask... why do you need any latest model laptop?

>>57236700
Don't give them ideas

>>57236908
nothing else to spend my money on

>>57236908
If it's objectively better and the difference in cost would be the same in thee months, that's rational enough.

>>57236857
how are those comparable?
xps is more like a mba with a better screen.

also xps is consumershit so enjoy your coil-whine and pwm.

>>57236758
>still using macOS for music production
time to switch anon

>>57236920
uh.. save it?

>>57236923
i guess my question is, what are you doing that you require most power you can buy in a laptop?

>>57236904
>Fuck no it doesn't.
okay this must be bait
do you not see right or something?

Had the get the American keyboard model as a eurofag just to get the shift and enter keys in the correct place. Now they're going to fuck it up even more? Holy shit

>>57236950
mpb is nowhere near the most power you can buy in a laptop

>>57236924
coil whine is a skylake problem
do you think macbooks use xeon or something?

>>57236966
which brings me back to my original question... What is it that you're doing that you gotta have the latest $1000 plus laptop??

>>57235970
Damn that bezel is nice

>>57236975
13" retina macbook pros uses an 28W Intel U-Series CPU.
13" macbook air uses a 15W Intel U-Series CPU.
13" XPS uses a 15W Intel U-Series CPU.

>>57235970
>they brought back the "MacBook Pro" text

Why?

>>57237009
shitposting

>>57237009
Not him but music production.

If they don't have a black carbon version no buy

but will it come in black?

>>57236975
>coil whine is a skylake problem
bull, not fixed in 9360:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-XPS-13-9360-QHD-i5-7200U-Notebook-Review.178844.0.html

also shitty chassis thermal throttles kaby lake to same skylake performance.

>>57237061
>>57237065
black is a fingerprint magnet

>>57237073
thought the coil whine was to do with the cooling system for the graphics card in xps

you can't hear it in a noisy environment anyway

>>57237075
but it's also nicer looking than fucking sliver.

>>57237041
anon, im not trying to argue here, but seriously if you had said video production, I could understand.

explain to me why audio production hasn't been in the realm of "good enough" computer power for at least the last five years if not eight.

>>57237094
macbook pro in anything but silver would just look weird

>>57237099
it's all to do with latency

if you processor is laggy you will hear a delay on what you're playing coming through your cans from the mixer

>>57237120
The black screen not matching is what makes it look weird. They've looked shit since they changed it in 2008.

>>57237134
hopefully the next mbp will be bezelless

>>57237133
wouldnt a DAC solve that problem? which you are probably using anyway.

>>57236661
Actually in layouts change is bad. People spend years adapting to a layout to be able to touch type, so if you're physically moving keys, you better have a good reason. Lenovo does not.

>>57237157
I guess we'll see in 2021.

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>>57236955
I could say the same to you.

>>57237099
Modern VSTs developers like Xfer and Native Instruments develop with all this newfound power in mind. Try running a couple instances of Serum, Symphony Essentials or Massive on a slow processor, let alone without any latency. The fastest stuff will always be beneficial to music producers.

>>57237099
>explain to me why audio production hasn't been in the realm of "good enough" computer power for at least the last five years if not eight.
macOS optimizes battery life over all else, so enjoy your drop-outs when App Nap does its thing:
https://support.native-instruments.com/hc/en-us/articles/209545109

>>57237163
no you plug the mixer in via usb and then control it with the DAW the computer is doing all the recording

>>57237157
bezelless is stupid:
1. worse structural integrity
2. no safe place to touch the display to open/close
3. no place for a webcam

So, with no ESC, butterfly keys and battery draining toolbar... who is this laptop aimed at? Certainly not professionals?

>>57237242
that's why apple spends billions on product development to solve these problems

bezelless is the in thing right now so you can be sure apple will be hopping on that bandwagon in a few years

>>57237184
Why are you using a laptop for that kind of work as opposed to a desktop???

>>57237187
>optimizes battery life
Why are you not plugged to power? Are you doing music production at starbucks or something??

>>57237194
>no you plug the mixer in via usb and then control it with the DAW the computer is doing all the recording

So why not use a desktop? Cheaper and more power.

>>57237242
Dell has it figured out, why couldn't Apple?
This goes to show how much Apple is asleep at the wheel, meanwhile the competition is surpassing them in every single way.

>>57237245
since when do professionals use laptops?
laptops aren't ergonomic, so after their 20s they would all be in pain.

>>57237265
you don't always record and produce in a studio a lot of bands do it on the go and in hotels etc.

also most bands use laptops in their live sets so you need the added reliability

>>57237265
>Why are you not plugged to power? Are you doing music production at starbucks or something??
retard pls. did you even read the link?
Plugged in doesn't help and doesn't stop App Nap.

>>57237242
1 is really not something I care about. Even if it's true, I doubt the effect is relevant, while the smaller footprint is.
2 is bullshit, I open my XPS just fine.
3 is simply false because THE XPS HAS A WEBCAM, also phones have smaller bezels and - you guessed it- they all have front-facing cameras. We have the technology, anon.

>>57237280
everyday. believe it or not, ergonomics are usually only a concern to big companies who could be sued for work environments. I'm 30 and use a laptop as my main computer.

>>57237265
Anyone serious about their profession works at their home studio and away from the studio.

Also, try bringing your desktop to a DJ session at a club. Or to the studio to work with other musicians. or on tour. etc etc etc etc.

>>57237330
XPS 13 isn't bezelless, retard

>No ESC
>Butterfly keyboard

wew

>>57237280
>go home
>plug laptop into peripherals
>desktop

>>57237332
That's just retarded, I care about ergonomics.

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>they actually went with the fagbar

>>57237345
>No DEL key
how could you ever use a Mac?

>>57237354
INNOVATION

>>57237351
but if you use your laptop mostly clamshelled, why would you care about the laptop's keyboard much?

>>57236845
>what program requires you to use ` key

Pretty much anything involved in writing TeX

>>57237338
>>57237297
>>57237313

Sounds like your requirements to be mobile create the problems you're having, meaning a laptop is needed, i can understand that, Why didn't ya say that to begin with??

Are you married to osx tools? or is it just what you're used to/industry standard?

>>57237386
I use logic which is made by apple

>>57237383
oh right, people don't rebind " to ``

>>57236102
Where are the function keys?

>>57237386
Logic and Protools. Also, macOS uses Core Audio which is faster than ASIO.

Honestly, I never pushed my 2015 Macbook as far as it can go, but more power never hurts. So I'll be buying the new Macbook Pro unless there are throttling issues.

>>57237471
>Already have last year's model
>Haven't pushed it to it's limits
>Still plan on replacing it with this year's model because it's got a touchscreen replacing the function keys
Well it's your money famfam... Then again I'm personally using a 2011 MBP and have no plans whatsoever to replace it unless it breaks down or my needs change drastically for some reason.

>>57237471
anon who's been asking the weird questions here..

have to agree with >>57237529 it is your money, but your answer makes me go back to my original question...

if you don't need it, why the fuck would you spend another $1000 on something you don't even need???

>>57237576
>>57237529
I'm rich. If I don't like it I'll just give it to one of my friends and keep using my old one.

>>57237603
>I'm rich. If I don't like it I'll just give it to one of my friends and keep using my old one.

Consumerism just because, isn't a trait of rich people, in fact it is the opposite.

>>57237639
consumerism is totally a trait of nouveau riche

>>57237639
I don't buy expensive toys often at all. And this isn't an expensive toy. It's a working tool.

>>57237660
>claims to be rich
>thinks $2000 is expensive
top kek

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>only 4 USB-C connectors
>no magsafe
>no SD reader
>no displayport/HDMI
>this gimmick shit
>"pro"

Been waiting all year to see what this year's model would be like but this is absolute rubbish. What should I buy instead?

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>>57236102

>everything about that layout

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

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>>57237462

>>57237702
nothing on that list is confirmed except 'this gimmick shit', which could still be only 13" or 15" rmbp and there's still a 13" mba tba.

>>57237748
Foxconn chinks posted pictures of the shell showing only USB-C connectors and a headphone jack

>>57237702
Lenovo, don't go dell xps as they have zero quality control and they don't give a fuck about your pronlems.

>>57237764
that's still not *confirmed* and could be just some prototype.
even if, that's just the 13" rmbp, which still leaves the 15" rmbp and 13" mba.

>>57237354
Courage

>>57237471
>macOS uses Core Audio which is faster than ASIO

Latency has gotten a LOT better in recent versions of Windows, and afaik is competitive with Core Audio

>>57236729
fewer keys*

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>>57235970
NO ESC
>no ESC
NO ESC
>no ESC

>>57237696
???

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>>57237875

>>57236828
search for ApplePaySplashSA.tiff

>>57235970
This is so fucking stupid. If they wanted to make a touch capable Macbook why couldn't they have just made a Macbook with a touch screen?

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How courageous of Apple to get rid of Esc.

>>57238286
Because they've been shit talking other laptops with touch screens and they can't flip flop

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>>57237875

>>57238286
your alternative sounds retarded:
touch screen would need some major changes to macOS's UI.

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who else was literally going to buy a macbook pro this week if it was going to be just an updated model and then saw this "magic keyboard" shit

>Kaipi not doing anything to level 1 rosh team

LMAO.

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>>57238783
>needing the esc key

>>57238828
lol

>>57238783
how much are you willing to bet?
rmbp will sell as good as always and all that internet drama from haters that never used it will be forgotten: power users will just remap esc to capslock and the rest will be happy to have contextual keys.

>>57238922
who are you quoting

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>>57238922
G-d I sure hope so you filthy go- I mean fellow Apple enthusiast!

how do you press escape?

>>57238783
i'm buying one as soon as its announced, work laptop allowance and replacing my old thinkpad

>>57239029
>buying not leasing
how long do you have to keep it?

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Personally getting this beauty when it's finally released. Nice to have a decent alternative to windows or osx.

>>57239116
>no capslock
>no super
>no function keys

>>57236727
underrated

>>57239155
>trending on twitter
>underrated
top kek

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>>57239149
>caps is more important than esc

>>57239149
>capslock
kill your'eself

>>57235970
Thinkfag neckbeards BTFO once again

Apple wins yet one more time. They really put effort into making this the computer of the future, this kind of shit is what I imagine to be the laptop of the future.

>>57239497
Apple controls the OS and hardware.
in contrast, others aren't really in a position to implement contextual keys in any meaningful way.

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Does this mean they will release a new Magic Keyboard with Touch ID?
The Magic Toolbar might use too much battery to be on the Magic Keyboard right?

>>57239550
>Does this mean they will release a new Magic Keyboard with Touch ID?
likely
>The Magic Toolbar might use too much battery to be on the Magic Keyboard right?
no

>>57236948
lmfao windows is garbage for music production, absolute fucking trash.

>>57239535
So?

We've had around 10 years of Windows/Linux/PC "openness" and it has failed to accomplish even half of the creative powerhouse that apple has leveraged in recent years.

What good is customization on a shit OS/hardware? Apple may limit customization, but they do it for the right reasons.

>>57239600
retard pls.
Pros like Tom Holkenborg (Junkie XL, Composer of the film music for the new Mad Max movie) already switched to Windows.

>>57239621
i think we are in agreement?

>>57239583
>no

The Magic Keyboard isn't even backlit, likely to save battery.
I think they won't put the Magic Toolbar on the new one for the same reason.

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>>57239656
Apple likes their uniformity, so in the long run everything will have the magic toolbar.
increasing the battery isn't a hard problem.

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>>57235970
>just touch your macbook to give applel more shekels

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>>57239149
Well on Chrome OS you can change the search key (or a bunch of other keys) to act as the caps lock key.

The search key kind of acts like the "super" button since it lets you search for apps/files and the top buttons can act like function keys.

>>57239087
Startup so were not big enough to do corporate leases senpai. Probably two or three years

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>>57239758
>chrome os
literally what the os

>>57235970
ANDREW CUNNINGHAM
Andrew has a B.A. in Classics from Kenyon College and has over five years of experience in IT. His work has appeared on Charge Shot!!! and AnandTech, and he records a weekly book podcast called Overdue.

>>57238783
I have a Macbook pro mid 2012 that still works perfectly fine and is fast enough for what i use it for.
I only upgrade my mac's when the new OS is no longer supported.